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The man who knew too much? The truth about the death of Hillary close friend Vince Foster
Daily Mail ^ | 15th January 2008 | SALLY BEDELL SMITH

Posted on 01/15/2008 4:55:18 AM PST by IrishMike

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To: TheBattman

I wouldn’t get to worked up about about the thumb in the trigger guard. If you are shooting yourself in the mouth, it would be easier to use your thumb than your index finger. It doesn’t mean anything on way or the other.


51 posted on 01/15/2008 6:21:40 AM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: IrishMike

Send these 10 questions to MSNBC for tonights debate from Las Vegas.
I am sure they will ask one or two of them.

Yeah right.


52 posted on 01/15/2008 6:22:44 AM PST by sweetiepiezer (Duncan Hunter .....................a man of his word.)
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To: dangerdoc

Unless, of course, his teeth weren’t even broken.


53 posted on 01/15/2008 6:27:49 AM PST by Cedric
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To: ExGeeEye

{The gun-reversed-in-hand, thumb-on-the-trigger method would “work” “best”.}

Having to investigate 13 suicides by firearms in my 30 years with the SO, thats the first time i’ve seen that. It would be interesting to know the actual trajectory of the round.


54 posted on 01/15/2008 6:28:01 AM PST by Graycliff (Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
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To: TheBattman

“I hadn’t seen that - thumb through the trigger guard?”

Actually, that makes sense. If he was to point the gun into his mouth, the thumb would be the most convenient means by which to pull the trigger.


55 posted on 01/15/2008 6:28:01 AM PST by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: Cedric

> The past is prologue <

Or as one of Foster’s fellow Southerners, Quinton Compson, once said to his Harvard roomate,

“The past isn’t dead. It isn’t even past.”


56 posted on 01/15/2008 6:28:57 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: Red in Blue PA

Abuse and neglect of her “best friend” shows her character. How many straight men are “best friends” with a woman? Show of hands?


57 posted on 01/15/2008 6:32:21 AM PST by steve8714 (Build the fence, ship 'em out, legalize teen workers.)
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To: Elle Bee
WHERE IS CRAIG LIVINGSTONE THESE DAYS?? Worth REPEATING!!

They sent Craig to identify and DROP the CAR KEYS on the gurney.

58 posted on 01/15/2008 6:33:30 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: gracesdad

BINGO! Ken Starr is nothing but a Washington insider. He did not do his job and collect 8 million tax dollars for doing nothing.


59 posted on 01/15/2008 6:33:40 AM PST by bmwcyle (McCain Sucks!)
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To: ExGeeEye
The thumb argument notwithstanding, Vince Foster was LEFT handed.

Look at the photo.

Gun on RIGHT hand.

Unlikely to say the least.

60 posted on 01/15/2008 6:33:46 AM PST by JOAT
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To: Graycliff

I don’t know about VF; in my experiment, I was “targeting” the brain stem through the soft palate. Had a video camera off to the side to chaeck the angle. Would have “worked” if I had been serious...and using a real gun.

Let me guess...most gun suicides in your experience involve gun-to-the-temple, or under the chin (like that bank robber in CA).


61 posted on 01/15/2008 6:35:04 AM PST by ExGeeEye (NIE or no NIE, I've been waiting since 11/04/79 to do something about Iran.)
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To: JOAT

Meh. I tell only what I know, and guess nothing.

And I’m left handed, and experimented with my right.

Go figure.


62 posted on 01/15/2008 6:36:05 AM PST by ExGeeEye (NIE or no NIE, I've been waiting since 11/04/79 to do something about Iran.)
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To: IrishMike
"The public will never believe the innocence of the Clintons and their loyal staff."

He was right about THAT!

63 posted on 01/15/2008 6:38:04 AM PST by FishTale
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To: IrishMike
There was almost no blood left in the body, and no blood exited the body at the scene from the wound in Ft Marcy park.

I guess Vince killed himself somewhere else and then walked or drove to the Park to lie down.

64 posted on 01/15/2008 6:39:24 AM PST by webschooner
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To: Perdogg

Did you read the article?

First, it wasn’t Republicans talking, but a British newspaper.

Second, it wasn’t an Arkancide conspiracy theory piece, but a rehearsal of all the tawdry matters involving Hillary that Vince Foster was dealing with at the time of his death, retold with a story arc that made clear working for her drove him to suicide.

No new evidence needed.


65 posted on 01/15/2008 6:41:43 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: gracesdad

Why?


66 posted on 01/15/2008 6:47:00 AM PST by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: Graycliff

Have you ever seen a suicide by gun where there was no blowback, and the hand that had been holding the gun appeared perfectly clean?


67 posted on 01/15/2008 6:48:55 AM PST by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: kidd
"It is entirely unnnatural to fire a gun using your thumb."

No, it is entirely unnatural to shoot yourself in the mouth. But when one does decide to do it, the thumb as a trigger finger is much more natural. Pretend your holding a gun. Now, put your right thumb on the trigger and put it in your mouth using your left hand to brace the back of the right hand and the gun. Simple and much more natural than using your forefinger and sticking your elbow way out in front of you or turning the gun upside down.

68 posted on 01/15/2008 6:50:18 AM PST by FishTale
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To: tortdog; IrishMike

“Talk about a dead horse.”

You got that right. But you’ll never convince the people who just HAVE to believe that the Clintons have had dozens murdered. Amazing isn’t it that not a single one of the people they’ve hired for the dirty deeds has ever blabbed?


69 posted on 01/15/2008 6:54:08 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: DainBramage

I’ve seen the “evidence.” Not convinced.


70 posted on 01/15/2008 6:56:05 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: Perdogg

Same thought here. While I think there are unanswered questions related to Foster and his work in the Clinton administration, I don’t think a ‘hit man’ had anything to do with this.

I will say the curious actions AFTER he was found, specifically his office being closed to investigators for 24 hours, was very very strange.

If it was a GOP Whitehouse, the MSM would have gone absolutely nuts, and would STILL be all over this to this day.


71 posted on 01/15/2008 6:56:34 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: DainBramage

I hope you don’t believe that whole Clinton “body count” thing.


72 posted on 01/15/2008 6:56:48 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: JOAT

“The thumb argument notwithstanding, Vince Foster was LEFT handed.
Look at the photo.

Gun on RIGHT hand.

Unlikely to say the least.”

Why? I’m left-handed for writing, throwing, bowling and batting. But I play golf, eat, and brush my teeth right-handed. I shoot with either hand, but primarily with the right.


73 posted on 01/15/2008 7:00:08 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: IrishMike

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/foster.html


74 posted on 01/15/2008 7:05:42 AM PST by carenot (Proud member of The Flying Skillet Brigade)
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To: gracesdad

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a388b90a11676.htm


75 posted on 01/15/2008 7:08:59 AM PST by carenot (Proud member of The Flying Skillet Brigade)
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To: Cedric

“Unless, of course, his teeth weren’t even broken.”

Is this a supposition? Honestly, I don’t know.

I think it is fine to discuss these things in a blog, but I would hate to see a candidate or a party try to bring them up. I really think all you would do is garner sympathy for Hillary.

Without knowing the load that was used, there could be very little recoil.

I say a man that put a .32 directly between his eyes and pulled the trigger. When he woke up the next morning, he called an ambulance. He sustained no permanent damage and the only external evidence of the injury was a black stain between his eyebrows.

Walking into the room, I would have testified that he did not shoot himself. Then we got X-rays, there was a 32 slug inferior to the cranium near the spine.

Appearances can be deceptive. Once again, I’m not saying anything one way or the other, but we don’t want to go down the road of the “truthers”.


76 posted on 01/15/2008 7:10:08 AM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: carenot

Thanks for the link.


77 posted on 01/15/2008 7:11:41 AM PST by IrishMike (Liberalism is Jihad from within)
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To: ExGeeEye

It’s been sometime now but I think I read somewhere that Vince Foster was left handed.


78 posted on 01/15/2008 7:14:11 AM PST by Rappini (Remember Joe Foss)
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To: gracesdad
I’m left-handed for writing, throwing, bowling and batting. But I play golf, eat, and brush my teeth right-handed. I shoot with either hand, but primarily with the right.

Wow, you're special!

79 posted on 01/15/2008 7:14:57 AM PST by Cedric
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To: Rappini

I don’t think you have to be very ambidextrous to be able to shoot yourself with a gun in the head.


80 posted on 01/15/2008 7:16:15 AM PST by tortdog
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To: vince_foster
"I swear, it was suicide."

81 posted on 01/15/2008 7:18:20 AM PST by evets (beer)
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To: nuconvert

This is a British newspaper and therefore uses terminology used in Britain we often say someone is called that meaning that is there name.


82 posted on 01/15/2008 7:19:42 AM PST by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: kidd

The thumb would be used to fire the weapon if you were aiming it into your own mouth. If you were going to shoot yourself by sucking on the barrel how would you pull the trigger with your index finger?


83 posted on 01/15/2008 7:21:44 AM PST by Round 9
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To: dangerdoc
I’m glad this article is being discussed here because we went through 8 tawdry years of Clinton-1 and, hopefully, this will help motivate everyone (accept Gracesdad) defeat Hillary and avoid the sequel.
84 posted on 01/15/2008 7:25:09 AM PST by Cedric
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To: IrishMike

BTTT for later.


85 posted on 01/15/2008 7:27:50 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: IrishMike

Is there any evidence that Hillary cried when Vince Foster died?


86 posted on 01/15/2008 7:34:13 AM PST by syriacus (HUCKIAVELLIAN : (adj.) hypocritical; slick; glib; charming and, yet, sneakily nasty.)
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To: snugs
Where were you when I was trying to decipher Ambrose Evans Prichard?
87 posted on 01/15/2008 7:35:17 AM PST by Cedric
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To: Joe Boucher
Hopefully the GOP is loaded for bear and has LOTS of real info and facts to use against Mrs. Clinton.

BAAAAHAAAAAAWAAAAAAHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

Yeah, right.......

88 posted on 01/15/2008 7:40:57 AM PST by Osage Orange (Hillary's heart is blacker, than the devils riding boots.................)
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To: Cedric

From your mouth to God’s ear.


89 posted on 01/15/2008 7:44:25 AM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: Wolfie
LOL!!

Yep...like star-crossed young lovers..all twitterpated and crazed.

90 posted on 01/15/2008 7:46:00 AM PST by Osage Orange (Hillary's heart is blacker, than the devils riding boots.................)
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To: gracesdad

There is definately a body count attached to the Clintons. I attribute that body count to the chaos that was the Clintons and their lifestyle rather than them actually putting the hit on people.

There are people that live lifestyles than engender tragedy both for themselves and those around them.

Of course, if they ever find Bill dead with blunt head trauma, I would definately interview Hillary first.


91 posted on 01/15/2008 7:51:13 AM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: ExGeeEye

[most gun suicides in your experience involve gun-to-the-temple, or under the chin (like that bank robber in CA).]

The 2 that involved putting the gun in the mouth, both involved long guns. One was a 410 shotgun, the other was 22 long rifle. The rest were side to side shots. There was an attempted suicide with a 380, where the man put the pistol in his mouth, but the angle was to great and he destroyed his sinus cavity’s, took out his left eye and lodged in a frontal lobe.


92 posted on 01/15/2008 7:55:28 AM PST by Graycliff (Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
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To: Auntie Mame

Depending on the caliber, there not always blow back. Recoil usually gets the gun out of the way.


93 posted on 01/15/2008 7:59:57 AM PST by Graycliff (Long haired freaky people, need not apply.)
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To: IrishMike

Hill and her other marxists are capable of doing this, but they hid all evidence and the police were on their side. This has to be dropped. It will go nowhere.


94 posted on 01/15/2008 8:00:34 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Elle Bee
Where is Craig Livingstone these days?

That is an excellent question. That question will NEVER be asked by the MSM which precludes them seeking an answer. I WANT Hillary to win the nomination. This forum has knowlege of the Clintons that many do not know. It would be interesting to see how much if any of that knowlege would surface to a larger audience if she got the nomination.

95 posted on 01/15/2008 8:05:16 AM PST by Biblebelter
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To: Biblebelter

Last I heard, he was driving a limo in DC.


96 posted on 01/15/2008 8:06:10 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: IrishMike
His widow spoke of Vince's despondency vis a vis the "Waco Massacre."

Arkanicide? Cover-Up!

97 posted on 01/15/2008 8:17:21 AM PST by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: AppyPappy
Last I heard, he was driving a limo in DC.

I did a Yahoo search and came up with an article YOU posted here on FR in 2000 via Drudge. If the Clinton crime family was Sicilian, I suspect that he would be sleeping with the fishes. But since I am somewhat familiar with the Clinton body count, one never knows. The fact that there is not anything to be found since 2000 does not bode well for him. One has to believe some housekeeping may have been done in preparation for Hillary's campaign to the White House.

98 posted on 01/15/2008 8:28:13 AM PST by Biblebelter
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To: Biblebelter

It’s pretty difficult to hide in this day and age. I’ll bet some enterprising young reporter could find him.
I’ve always hoped that Mark Fuhrman would research Foster’s suicide for a book.


99 posted on 01/15/2008 8:36:14 AM PST by surrey
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To: IrishMike

The New York Post hired a private detective immediately after Vince’s “suicide”. They ran a center section spread covering around 40 suspicious circumstances point-by-point, from no keys in his pocket at scene but keys in his pocket at morgue, all the way to who hired Craig Livinstone. Any ideas how to access NYP’s archives?


100 posted on 01/15/2008 8:38:01 AM PST by printhead
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