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Rapists throw acid on girl
The Sun ^ | 01/15/08 | MIKE SULLIVAN

Posted on 01/15/2008 5:32:58 AM PST by forkinsocket

A SCHOOLGIRL was raped by a gang who poured caustic soda over her body to destroy DNA evidence.

The 16-year-old was left fighting for life with terrible burns from the drain-clearing chemical.

She was under heavy sedation at a specialist burns unit last night as sickened police called the attack by five youths a new low.

The gang beat the teenager before taking turns to rape her in an empty house in Tottenham, North London.

One detective said: “After they had finished raping her, the gang poured caustic soda over the girl to try and get rid of DNA evidence. It was the most horrific thing imaginable and the girl sustained serious burns. This is about as low as it gets.”

A woman cop living next door was alerted by the victim’s cries — and the officer treated her until medical help arrived.

Another neighbour said: “I heard a woman screaming, ‘Help, I’ve been raped’ and saying she had been burned. She sounded in a lot of pain.”

One resident, who did not want to be named, said: “The gang get up to no good.

“They told me they took the girl and broke into the house and that one of them threw water over her — but I have heard it was acid.”

Doctors feared the girl would die but she pulled through and is now stable in a burns unit in Billericay, Essex. She is still not well enough to speak to officers.

A police source said: “She has appalling injuries from which she will never fully recover. We believe it will be another two weeks before we can interview her.”

A 17-year-old was arrested over last Wednesday’s attack.

But he was taken to hospital claiming to have swallowed a 10p coin.

Cops are waiting to talk to him.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: acid; diversity; gang; islam; muslims; rape; rop; trop; uk; uncoveredmeat; yoots; youths

1 posted on 01/15/2008 5:32:58 AM PST by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket

SICK!


2 posted on 01/15/2008 5:35:46 AM PST by Sir Hailstone (I'm a Dollar-a-Day FReeper. Are you? Target Acquired: Indiana's 7th Congressional District)
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To: forkinsocket

I am sure it will be just a matter of minutes before we hear the standard “what was she doing there” and “where was her mother”....


3 posted on 01/15/2008 5:36:10 AM PST by cherry
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To: forkinsocket
Appalling.

I imagine that a Liberal will now propose that police stop collecting DNA evidence -- since that police practice seems to lead thugs to engage in terrible practices.

4 posted on 01/15/2008 5:36:13 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: forkinsocket
Anyone with information on the attack, said to have been by five black youths, should call Crimestoppers on 0800 555111.

Here is the last part of the Article. Here in the U.S. it is politically incorrect to mention the race of the gang. Glad the U.K. can still mention the facts. Our papers usually leave out the critical facts.

5 posted on 01/15/2008 5:37:18 AM PST by sr4402
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To: forkinsocket

And we are socially and ethically about 20 years behind england..... Coming soon to a housing complex near you!!!


6 posted on 01/15/2008 5:38:33 AM PST by logic (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is the ONLY conservative candidate!!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
The real problem is copycats. Even though it didn't work here. Fools will try anything.

In this case, it's going to be interesting how the liberals will be against the death penalty here due to the seriousness of the crime.

7 posted on 01/15/2008 5:39:29 AM PST by sr4402
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To: forkinsocket
One resident, who did not want to be named, said: “The gang get up to no good. “They told me they took the girl and broke into the house and that one of them threw water over her — but I have heard it was acid.”

Sounds like they have a witness and need to coerce them into spilling the beans. They have no snitching in England too, huh?

8 posted on 01/15/2008 5:39:54 AM PST by doodad
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To: logic
Coming soon to a housing complex near you!!!

Not likely. There isn't a "smart growth" club big enough to make me move close to one.

9 posted on 01/15/2008 5:40:35 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: forkinsocket
Gee, I wonder what could motivate people to rape a girl and then throw acid on her? Let's take a look shall we?

2001 Census Demographics for Tottenham

Total 2001 Population: 109473
Male: 48.1%
Female: 51.9%
Under 18: 25.8%
Over 60: 12.9%
Born outside UK: 43.4%
White: 55.1%
Black: 28.6%
Asian: 7.6%
Mixed: 4.9%
Other: 3.7%
Christian: 50.9%
Hindu: 2.2%
Jewish: 1.6%
Muslim: 15.2%
Full time students: 9.9%
Graduates 16-74: 27.6%
No Qualifications 16-74: 30.2%
Owner-Occupied: 39.8%
Social Housing: 38.6% (Council: 25.5%, Housing Ass.: 13.1%)
Privately Rented: 17.4%
Homes without central heating and/or private bathroom: 9.8%

10 posted on 01/15/2008 5:40:41 AM PST by vikingd00d
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To: forkinsocket

They got one of the sickos:
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=83990&in_page_id=34


11 posted on 01/15/2008 5:41:13 AM PST by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: doodad

Proof that racial profiling is appropriate and should always be considered as a means to find crooks especially these animals.


12 posted on 01/15/2008 5:41:44 AM PST by kevinm13 (The Main Stream Media is dead! Fox News Channel and Freerepublic Rocks!)
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To: sr4402

You’re right. I only glanced at the last sentence & thought it was only a number to call. Thanks for posting.


13 posted on 01/15/2008 5:45:19 AM PST by forkinsocket
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To: kevinm13

Racial profiling isn’t really the same as having a description of the suspects.

Reading between the lines, I’d imagine that the police have a fair idea of the identities of the offenders anyway.


14 posted on 01/15/2008 5:52:16 AM PST by UKTory
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To: forkinsocket

As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding. Like the Roman, I seem to see “the River Tiber foaming with much blood”.

That tragic and intractable phenomenon which we watch with horror on the other side of the Atlantic but which there is interwoven with the history and existence of the States itself, is coming upon us here by our own volition and our own neglect.

Indeed, it has all but come. In numerical terms, it will be of American proportions long before the end of the century. Only resolute and urgent action will avert it even now.

Whether there will be the public will to demand and obtain that action, I do not know.

All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.

~~Enoch Powell’s speech to the Annual General Meeting of the West Midlands Area Conservative Political Centre, Birmingham, England, April 20, 1968.


15 posted on 01/15/2008 5:54:16 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: forkinsocket

Time to get a rope.


16 posted on 01/15/2008 5:55:35 AM PST by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: forkinsocket

Death by slow torture is far too humane for these animals.


17 posted on 01/15/2008 5:56:31 AM PST by LIConFem (Thompson. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter Lifetime ACU Rating: 92 (any combo will do, fellas))
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To: RepublitarianRoger2
The English used to hang, draw and quarter folks for "offences" that should never have been against the law in the first place ...

Now?

They should revive the punishment, for things like this.

18 posted on 01/15/2008 5:57:34 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: logic

“And we are socially and ethically about 20 years behind england”

You wish. If anything it has traditionally been the other way round, though the gap appears narrower these days. You had race riots before we did, political correctness before we did (oh how I remember the days when we dismissed it as an American phenomenon that we would never be foolish enough to take on), etc.


19 posted on 01/15/2008 5:58:10 AM PST by UKTory
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To: vikingd00d
The article mentions that they were black and a gang. So I have to wonder when you posted the demographics why you did not highlight the two directly related to this fact:

Black: 28.6%
Social Housing: 38.6%

20 posted on 01/15/2008 6:03:27 AM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: forkinsocket
Stupid press. Caustic Soda is a strong Base, not an Acid. (It used to be common on drilling rigs to maintain pH balance in drilling fluids, may still be in some places).

The burns can be horrible, indeed.

These jerks should have their 'equipment dunked' all right,--in what they put on her..

21 posted on 01/15/2008 6:07:16 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: RepublitarianRoger2

I used to be against the death penalty. Used to be.

No punishment would be too severe for these thugs. Heck, they aren’t thugs, they’re monsters.


22 posted on 01/15/2008 6:10:58 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: forkinsocket
Isn't multiculturalism and unrestricted immigration wonderful?

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that anyone from a former British colony can immigrate to the UK and be given full citizenship without any other qualifications. The UK and most of Europe are already "enjoying" the "benefits" of unrestricted immigration from the 3rd world, and we aren't far behind over here.

23 posted on 01/15/2008 6:21:58 AM PST by epow (Isn't it odd how the hardest working people seem to get all the lucky breaks?)
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To: cherry
...followed by “they were on an antidepressant that causes violent behavior as a side effect and weren’t responsible for their actions”.
24 posted on 01/15/2008 6:27:54 AM PST by cake_crumb (Global Warming : it's so warm in Antarctica, it's like summer down there!!)
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To: vikingd00d

Apparently Tottenham is one of those semi-suburban hell-holes with a very high non-assimilating immigrant population and a big percentage on welfare. What else do you expect?


25 posted on 01/15/2008 6:31:41 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Farmer Dean
"Time to get a rope."

The Brits have become real Euroweenies. They'll probably get short sentences because of their ages, while that poor girl suffers for the rest of her life. And I doubt too many Brits these days would would think too much about it after the convictions are handed down.

26 posted on 01/15/2008 6:32:02 AM PST by cake_crumb (Global Warming : it's so warm in Antarctica, it's like summer down there!!)
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To: Between the Lines; vikingd00d
Owner-Occupied: 39.8%
Social Housing: 38.6% (Council: 25.5%, Housing Ass.: 13.1%)
Privately Rented: 17.4%

These stats show a really bad place to live and how out of control socialism is in Britain.

Government housing is nearly equal to private ownership.

Government housing is more than double rented housing.

What incentive is there to work one’s self off of the government teet?

How can there be any social stigma to being on the dole if more than a third of your neighbors are there with you.

27 posted on 01/15/2008 6:32:09 AM PST by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: forkinsocket

Disgusting.


28 posted on 01/15/2008 6:32:35 AM PST by Vision (Thompson/Hunter '08)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Stupid press. Caustic Soda is a strong Base, not an Acid.

Well, at least give these fine journalists credit for not confusing caustic soda with a carbonated soft drink.

29 posted on 01/15/2008 6:33:51 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Scrape the bottom, vote for Rodham!)
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To: RepublitarianRoger2

With appropriate interrogation techniques, fit to the crime, they would soon have the other names too. But they won’t do that.


30 posted on 01/15/2008 6:35:06 AM PST by Sender (Feel like, I feel like a poke chop san'wich)
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To: epow

“Someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s my understanding that anyone from a former British colony can immigrate to the UK and be given full citizenship without any other qualifications.”

No, that’s wrong. That hasn’t been the case since 1962.


31 posted on 01/15/2008 6:39:02 AM PST by UKTory
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To: forkinsocket

The only penalty for these scum is FAST DEATH so they don’t even have time to repent! Let them BURN in a fire a whole “hell” of a lot hotter than the acid they poured on the poor girl.


32 posted on 01/15/2008 6:41:33 AM PST by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: Farmer Dean
Time to get a rope.

That would be a good start, but a better start would be to bring back the old English custom of drawing and quartering for particularly horrific crimes such as this one. Broadcast it live and up close on nationwide HDTV in living color and stereophonic sound so that the rest of the scum will see and hear what will happen to them if they commit a similar crime. If they want to behave like wild animals then treat them like wild animals treat each other.

33 posted on 01/15/2008 6:42:34 AM PST by epow (Isn't it odd how the hardest working people seem to get all the lucky breaks?)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I imagine that a Liberal will now propose that police stop collecting DNA evidence....

and CAUSTIC SODA CONTROL!
34 posted on 01/15/2008 6:45:39 AM PST by SeeSalt
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To: forkinsocket

the evil doers are really becoming souless.

it is all “id”


35 posted on 01/15/2008 6:46:02 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: epow
If they want to behave like wild animals then treat them like wild animals treat each other.

I wasn't aware that wild animals tortured other wild animals.

36 posted on 01/15/2008 6:47:21 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: RachelFaith

life means NOTHING outside the usa.

In the EU in many countries a life sentence is 20 years MAX. It is capped.


37 posted on 01/15/2008 6:50:47 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: forkinsocket

BAN DRAIN CLEANER!!

(isn’t that the Brit gubbermint answer to all crime?)


38 posted on 01/15/2008 6:55:32 AM PST by jrp
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To: RachelFaith
"The only penalty for these scum is FAST DEATH so they don’t even have time to repent!"

The Brits don't have th edeath penalty. They say it's cruel.

39 posted on 01/15/2008 6:58:17 AM PST by cake_crumb (Being a preacher DOES NOT exempt you from being a liar and a crook)
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To: cake_crumb

Oh they HAVE a death penalty alright.... it’s just that if they don’t enforce it on scum... GOD enforces it on their nation!


40 posted on 01/15/2008 7:08:17 AM PST by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: sr4402
In the US reporters are out to get copy, not provide us with salient information.
41 posted on 01/15/2008 7:13:18 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: Publius Valerius
I wasn't aware that wild animals tortured other wild animals.

They don't deliberately torture other animals, but they don't have a sense of right or wrong and simply treat other animals in ways that come naturally. It is natural and common for a lion to tear an antelope or some other prey animal limb from limb and begin eating it while it's still alive, but the lion isn't being cruel as we define cruelty, he's just acting according to his instincts.

OTOH humans do have a sense of right and wrong, and no human deliberately tortures or kills another innocent human without knowing full well what he or she is doing, nor without realizing that it's cruel, unlawful, and evil.

42 posted on 01/15/2008 7:22:26 AM PST by epow (Isn't it odd how the hardest working people seem to get all the lucky breaks?)
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To: UKTory

Thank you for correcting my statement. It appears that my information is 56 years out of date, but taking into account that I became 7 decades out of date myself last August that isn’t too bad I suppose.


43 posted on 01/15/2008 7:30:40 AM PST by epow (Isn't it odd how the hardest working people seem to get all the lucky breaks?)
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To: epow
no human deliberately tortures or kills another innocent human without knowing full well what he or she is doing, nor without realizing that it's cruel, unlawful, and evil.

Does that statement not include when we hang people nearly to death and then cut out their innards and set their entrails on fire in front of their eyes? That, I suppose, is not cruel or evil?

44 posted on 01/15/2008 7:36:27 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: Sir Hailstone

Too bad the Brits don’t believe in the death penalty.


45 posted on 01/15/2008 6:12:59 PM PST by rfreedom4u (My Freedom of speech trumps your feelings!)
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To: forkinsocket

Gosh, do you think Enoch Powell may have been right after all?


46 posted on 01/15/2008 6:19:21 PM PST by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: Publius Valerius
If we were talking about doing that to innocent people, yes that would be cruel and evil. But I was talking about punishment to fit the crime for guilty criminals who torture and kill innocent people.

Guilty humans who torture and murder innocent humans deserve to receive the same treatment that they inflicted on their victims, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, burning for burning, shooting for shooting, death for death. It's called punishment that fits the crime. God prescribed that kind of punishment for criminals in ancient Israel, and it should be good enough for modern America and the UK.

Maybe if the two legged animals who tortured and murdered the girl in Britain were publicly executed in the same manner in which they killed their victim it would deter more killings of that same type. But even if it didn't deter crime it would still be well deserved and just punishment. We have forgotten about punishing criminals and now put all our efforts on rehabilitating them.

Instead of being punished, if the UK murderers are ever caught and convicted they will spend a decade or so lounging in a UK prison at taxpayers' expense, and then declared rehabilitated and released to resume preying on innocent people.

47 posted on 01/15/2008 9:56:38 PM PST by epow (Isn't it odd how the hardest working people seem to get all the lucky breaks?)
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To: epow
God prescribed that kind of punishment for criminals in ancient Israel, and it should be good enough for modern America and the UK.

Oh. Well, what did Christ say about that particular idea of punishment? I seem to recall him addressing it in the Sermon on the Mount. We need not let such little inconveniences trouble us, though.

Instead of being punished, if the UK murderers are ever caught and convicted they will spend a decade or so lounging in a UK prison at taxpayers' expense, and then declared rehabilitated and released to resume preying on innocent people.

This is a false dilemma. The choices aren't either let these people out of prison after ten years or hang them to near death, cut them open, remove their organs, and set their entrails on fire in front of their eyes. There are other options.

Maybe if the two legged animals who tortured and murdered the girl in Britain were publicly executed in the same manner in which they killed their victim it would deter more killings of that same type.

What makes you say that? William Wallace was drawn and quartered for treason, but that didn't stop attempted treasonous crimes against the Crown. Or, if you'd prefer temporal examples, Guy Fawkes tried to blow up Parliament in the early 1600s and was tortured and sentenced to be hanged, drawn and quartered, but there's a list a mile long of traitors who were drawn and quartered in the later 17th century for treason. If it is an effective deterrent, It certainly didn't seem to quell any attempts to overthrow the Crown, did it?

I'm stunned that there are actually people out there who argue, with a straight face, that this should actually be a preferred method of execution. It is barbaric, and, moreover, I suspect that anyone who seriously advocates for its return is gravely troubled.

48 posted on 01/16/2008 5:57:39 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: Publius Valerius
I suspect that anyone who seriously advocates for its return is gravely troubled.

Either I'm stating my case poorly or you're misinterpreting what I'm trying to say. I am not advocating eye for an eye punishment because I want revenge on the perpetrators.

I'm simply saying make the punishment fit the crime as a deterrent to similar crimes. If a murderer shot his his victim then execute him by a firing squad, if he tortured his victim before killing him or her, as in the UK case, then cause him pain in the the same manner and to the same degree that he inflicted it on his victim. I haven't heard of any murderer drawing and quartering a victim recently, so I doubt that method of execution would see very much usage in today's world even if my suggestion was put into practice. Which of course it won't be.

But if my idea for having a criminal's punishment fit his crime is too harsh for your refined sensibilities you have no need to worry, because what I suggested will never become practice anywhere in the modern western world. Today we seem to be far less concerned about the sufferings of innocent crime victims than we are about the social conditions, racial prejudices, or disparity in wealth that allegedly motivates poor wittle disadvantaged thugs like those in the article to commit rape, murder, and/or torture. I happen to believe that severe punishment for serious, violent crime is justified and deters more crime, and if we don't agree on that then neither will we agree on how to punish violent criminals.

49 posted on 01/16/2008 8:45:12 AM PST by epow (Isn't it odd how the hardest working people seem to get all the lucky breaks?)
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