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AIDS Patients Face Downside of Living Longer (effects of AIDS drugs "worse than having AIDS")
New York Times ^ | January 6, 2008 | JANE GROSS

Posted on 01/15/2008 6:18:55 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Those explanations do not satisfy Larry Kramer, founder of several AIDS advocacy groups. Mr. Kramer, 73 and a long-term survivor, said he had always suspected “it was only a matter of time before stuff like this happened” given the potency of the antiretroviral drugs. “How long will the human body be able to tolerate that constant bombardment?” he asked. “Well, we are now seeing that many bodies can’t. Once again, just as we thought we were out of the woods, sort of, we have good reason again to be really scared.”

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1 posted on 01/15/2008 6:18:57 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: All

For another view of what causes AIDS, see:

Genetica 104: 85-132

The AIDS dilemma: drug diseases blamed on a passenger virus

Peter Duesberg & David Rasnick

Department of Molecular and Cell Biology, Stanley Hall, UC Berkeley, Berkeley, CA 94720, USA (Phone: (510) 642-6549; Fax: (510) 643-6455; E-mail: duesberg@uclink4.berkeley.edu)

Abstract

Almost two decades of unprecedented efforts in research costing US taxpayers over $50 billion have failed to defeat Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) and have failed to explain the chronology and epidemiology of AIDS in America and Europe. The failure to cure AIDS is so complete that the largest American AIDS foundation is even exploiting it for fundraising: ‘Latest AIDS statistics - 0,000,000 cured. Support a cure, support AMFAR.’ The scientific basis of all these unsuccessful efforts has been the hypothesis that AIDS is caused by a sexually transmitted virus, termed Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), and that this viral immunodeficiency manifests in 30 previously known microbial and non-microbial AIDS diseases.

In order to develop a hypothesis that explains AIDS we have considered ten relevant facts that American and European AIDS patients have, and do not have, in common: (1) AIDS is not contagious. For example, not even one health care worker has contracted AIDS from over 800,000 AIDS patients in America and Europe. (2) AIDS is highly non-random with regard to sex (86% male); sexual persuasion (over 60% homosexual); and age (85% are 25-49 years old). (3) From its beginning in 1980, the AIDS epidemic progressed non-exponentially, just like lifestyle diseases. (4) The epidemic is fragmented into distinct subepidemics with exclusive AIDS-defining diseases. For example, only homosexual males have Kaposi’s sarcoma. (5) Patients do not have any one of 30 AIDS-defining diseases, nor even immunodeficiency, in common. For example, Kaposi’s sarcoma, dementia, and weight loss may occur without immunodeficiency. Thus, there is no AIDS-specific disease. (6) AIDS patients have antibody against HIV in common only by definition-not by natural coincidence. AIDS-defining diseases of HIV-free patients are called by their old names. (7) Recreational drug use is a common denominator for over 95% of all American and European AIDS patients, including male homosexuals. (8) Lifetime prescriptions of inevitably toxic anti-HIV drugs, such as the DNA chain-terminator AZT, are another common denominator of AIDS patients. (9) HIV proves to be an ideal surrogate marker for recreational and anti-HIV drug use. Since the virus is very rare (< 0.3%) in the US/European population and very hard to transmit sexually, only those who inject street drugs or, have over 1,000 typically drug-mediated sexual contacts are likely to become positive. (10) The huge AIDS literature cannot offer even one statistically significant group of drug-free AIDS patients from America and Europe.

In view of this, we propose that the long-term consumption of recreational drugs (such as cocaine, heroin, nitrite inhalants, and amphetamines) and prescriptions of DNA chain-terminating and other anti-HIV drugs, cause all AIDS diseases in America and Europe that exceed their long-established, national backgrounds, i.e. >95%. Chemically distinct drugs cause distinct AIDS-defining diseases; for example, nitrite inhalants cause Kaposi’s sarcoma, cocaine causes weight loss, and AZT causes immunodeficiency, lymphoma, muscle atrophy, and dementia. The drug hypothesis predicts that AIDS: (1) is non-contagious; (2) is non-random, because 85% of AIDS causing drugs are used by males, particularly sexually active homosexuals between 25 and 49 years of age, and (3) would follow the drug epidemics chronologically. Indeed, AIDS has increased from negligible numbers in the early 1980s to about 80,000 annual cases in the early ‘90s and has since declined to about 50,000 cases (US figures). In the same period, recreational drug users have increased from negligible numbers to millions by the late 1980s, and have since decreased possibly twofold. However, AIDS has declined less because since 1987 increasing numbers of mostly healthy, HIV-positive people, currently about 200,000, use anti-HIV drugs that cause AIDS and other diseases. At least 64 scientific studies, government legislation, and non-scientific reports document that recreational drugs cause AIDS and other diseases. Likewise, the AIDS literature, the drug manufacturers, and non-scientific reports confirm that anti-HIV drugs cause AIDS and other diseases in humans and animals. In sum, the AIDS dilemma could be solved by banning anti-HIV drugs, and by pointing out that drugs cause AIDS -modeled on the successful anti-smoking campaign.

FULL PAPER:

http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/pddrdilemma.htm


2 posted on 01/15/2008 6:20:53 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
I find it difficult to muster up any sympathy - the solution to their problem is self-evident.


3 posted on 01/15/2008 6:21:54 AM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Maybe this will put a stop to the increasing practice of purposely getting infected with HIV in order to be marked as “part of the group”.


4 posted on 01/15/2008 6:22:09 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: GodGunsGuts

One thing that doesnt get talked about when people get aids and Hiv is how many get disability and suck off the system.


5 posted on 01/15/2008 6:22:34 AM PST by Chickensoup (If it is not permitted, it is prohibited. Only the government can permit....)
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To: ConorMacNessa; All

How the AIDS establishment used AIDS to push anti-family, anti Judeo-Christian, pro-homosexual agenda:

The Hidden Agenda behind HIV

Rethinking AIDS, Jan./Feb. 1994

Despite all assurances to the contrary, the AIDS establishment continues to fund only research on HIV. Peter Duesberg inadvertently proved this blackout on all alternative research when he recently submitted a grant proposal to the National Institute on Drug Abuse. The Institute’s clinical director of AIDS research had personally invited the proposal, which outlined a plan to test the long-term effects of nitrite inhalants, or “poppers,” on the immune systems of mice. The answer came back in December: The anonymous referees had not only turned it down, but had refused even to review the proposal.

Why does such a political correctness continue to dominate the War on AIDS? After all, public health officials cannot yet demonstrate they have saved any lives from the syndrome, while its death toll rises steadily. The scientific predictions have also failed miserably. In contrast to the predicted spread of AIDS in the United States, the epidemic has remained strictly confined to risk groups; nine of every ten AIDS cases have been male, and ninety percent of all AIDS victims have been linked to heavy drug use, whether intravenously or as “fast track” homosexuals. Indeed, epidemiologists have yet to establish that any epidemic at all has struck among blood transfusion recipients. Even individual AIDS diseases prefer specific risk groups, such as Kaposi’s sarcoma among homosexuals and the near-absence of Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia among Africans, whose lungs all contain the microbe. And some thirty-nine percent of AIDS diseases in America have nothing at all to do with immune deficiency — witness Kaposi’s sarcoma, various lymphomas, wasting disease, and dementia, for example. In short, AIDS is not an infectious disease.

The obsession with an “AIDS virus” has little to do with science or medicine. Writing in Nature in 1991 (June 21), British HIV researcher Robin Weiss and American CDC official Harold Jaffe hinted at the real purpose in an attack on Peter Duesberg: “But if he and his supporters belittle ‘safe sex,’ would have us abandon HIV screening of blood donations, and curtail research into anti-HIV drugs and vaccines, then their message is perilous.” To whom? If AIDS is not infectious, such recommendations would simply save the taxpayer money and anxiety.

But perhaps this is the point. A 1989 report by the National Research Council more explicitly revealed the hidden agenda. Originally sponsored by the Rockefeller and Russel Sage Foundations and then funded by the Public Health Service, AIDS: Sexual Behavior and Intravenous Drug Use laid out a plan for social engineering on a massive scale — using AIDS as the excuse. “The devastating effect of an epidemic on a community can evoke strong political and social responses,” the committee duly noted. “An epidemic necessitates the rapid mobilization of the community to counter the spread of illness and death” (p. 373). The power of such a method to force changes in cultural values is based on careful manipulation of fear. “Ideally, health promotion messages should heighten an individual’s perceptions of threat and his or her capacity to respond to that threat, thus modulating the level of fear.… What is not yet known is how to introduce fear in the right way in a particular message intended for a particular audience. Acquiring that knowledge will require planned variations of AIDS education programs that are carefully executed and then carefully evaluated,” stated the committee coolly (pp. 267-8).

The report then identified one of the major targets of change — Judaeo-Christian moral values. “Historically, there has been a strong social reluctance in the United States to speak or write about sexuality in explicit terms. Despite recent indications of greatly increased tolerance for sexual explicitness in the media and literature, that reluctance remains strong in much of the population; it is particularly strong in instances that involve the education of children and adolescents” (p. 379). The fear of a supposedly infectious AIDS epidemic, however, could be used to fix such problems. As the report declared, “The committee believes that, during an epidemic, politeness is a social virtue that must take second place to the protection of life” (p. 379).

Other public health officials have been even more forthright. As an officer of the Centers for Disease Control, Donald Francis had in 1984 drafted the CDC’s proposed AIDS strategy. In his 1992 retirement speech at the agency’s Atlanta, Georgia headquarters, Francis voiced the ambitions held by many of his fellow officers in describing “the opportunity that the HIV epidemic provides for public health” (JAMA, 9-16-92). He stated in no uncertain terms the radical nature of the plan:

The cloistered caution of the past needs to be discarded. The climate and culture must be open ones where old ideas are challenged. Those who desire the status quo should seek employment elsewhere. The American HIV prevention program should be the place where the best and the brightest come, where the action is, where history is being made. This is the epidemic of the century, and every qualified person should want to have a piece of the action.
The “action” described by Francis was a set of programs that would, as he fully recognized, need strong political protection from angry taxpayers and voters. For example, he bitterly attacked public opposition to condom distribution programs, and called for powerful legal measures to bypass parental discretion. “The ongoing controversies involving abstincence and condoms typify the morass into which schools can fall,” Francis complained. “If, in the opinion of those far more expert than I, schools cannot be expected to provide such programs, then health departments should take over, using as a justification their mandate to protect the public’s health.”

Francis also included proposals for dealing with the AIDS risk of intravenous drug use — including a call for “prescription of addicting drugs” with Federal government sponsorship. Even libertarians who advocate legalizing drugs would balk at such notions, which would ultimately create a massive bureaucracy encouraging drug use. “Following a more enlightened model for drug treatment, including prescribing heroin, would have dramatic effects on HIV and could eliminate many of the dangerous illegal activites surrounding drugs,” he insisted, knowing that only fear of the AIDS epidemic might make such proposals tolerable to the public. Ignoring the toxic, and possibly AIDS-inducing, effects of drugs, Francis emphasized that “In addition to treatment, safe injection [!] must be stressed both for those in treatment programs and those out of treatment. The provision of sterile injection equipment for drug users should be the standard of public health practice in the United States.”

Most chillingly of all, Francis saw the possibilities in harnessing other epidemics to advance similar agendas. As he put it, “if we establish new mechanisms to handle the HIV epidemic, [these] can serve as models for other diseases.”

The common denominator of these and similar plans is that they originate with the Federal government’s Public Health Service, and especially from its frontline public health agency, the Centers for Disease Control. Public perceptions often paint the CDC as a minor office that gathers and publishes dull statistics on disease. The truth is shockingly different. A sophisticated $2 billion-per-year operation, the CDC employs a staff of thousands who see themselves as having an activist mandate. They view epidemics as opportunities for control and for imposing lifestyle changes on the population.

The CDC has traditionally specialized in contagious disease. Its initials, in fact, originally stood for the Communicable Disease Center, from its formation in 1946 until its name changed in 1970. And therein lies its bias, for it tends to interpret almost any epidemic as being infectious. Certainly the CDC has plenty of raw material with which to work; each year brings at least one thousand outbreaks, or “clusters,” of disease that strike in the United States — one every eight hours. These can range from flus and pneumonias to closely-occurring cancers, but most outbreaks involve no more than a handful of people each; since the polio epidemic, none have posed serious threats to the general public. However, by falsely labelling any arbitrarily chosen outbreak as infectious and blaming it on a virus or other microbe, the CDC can quickly generate public fear and political mobilization behind almost any agenda.

The CDC has actually engineered a number of false alarms or misdirected campaigns over the past four decades, neutralizing scientific dissent and calmer voices when necessary. AIDS, though not the first example, has now become the most successful epidemic by far. Two powerful weapons in the agency’s arsenal, both unknown to the public at large, have made this possible: a semi-secret wing of the CDC known as the Epidemic Intelligence Service (EIS), and a quiet “partnership” program with private organizations.

The Epidemic Intelligence Service

Among epidemiologists, it is often half-jokingly referred to as the “medical CIA.” Founded in 1951 by public health professor Alexander Langmuir, the EIS was first designed to act as an elite biological-warfare countermeasures unit of the CDC. Langmuir was hired because he also served as one of the select advisors to the Defense Department’s chemical and biological warfare program.

The first EIS class of 21 recent medical or biological graduates underwent several weeks of intense training at the CDC’s Atlanta headquarters, before being dispatched on their two-year assignments on loan to various state or local health departments around the country. They acted as the eyes and ears of the CDC, carefully monitoring for any possible outbreak of war-induced disease. While on their tours of duty, each EIS officer could be sent elsewhere in the country on a 24 hour-a-day basis. In case of war, the EIS would operate under any emergency powers granted the CDC — potentially including quarantines, mass immunizations, or other drastic measures.

In an article written for the American Journal of Public Health (March, 1952), Langmuir made clear that membership in the EIS did not end with the two year assignment, but was permanent. He wrote that, “As a result of their experience, many of these officers may well remain in full-time epidemiology or other public health pursuits at federal, state, or local levels. Some, no doubt, will return to civilian, academic, or clinical practice, but in the event of war they could be returned to active duty with the Public Health Service and assigned to strategic areas to fulfil the functions for which they were trained.”

Every year since 1951 has seen a new crop of EIS recruits, some classes over one hundred members in size. The nearly 2,000 alumni have gone on to high positions in society, though rarely advertising their affiliation. Indeed, the CDC has now made the EIS more secretive than ever, having suppressed the public availability of the membership directory since last year. Members can be found in the Surgeon General’s office and elsewhere in the Federal government, as well as in the World Health Organization, state and local health departments, universities, pharmaceutical companies, tax-exempt foundations, hospitals, and even as staff writers, editors, or news anchormen for major newspapers, scientific journals, and television news departments. In these positions, EIS alumni act not only as the CDC’s surveillance arm and emergency reserve, but also as seemingly “independent” advocates for CDC policies.

In time, the fear of artificial disease epidemics faded. But Langmuir and other top CDC officials had always held bigger plans for the EIS. Langmuir, for example, an apostle of Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger, involved the EIS in the population control movement by the 1960s. The CDC has gained most, however, from EIS activities in natural disease epidemics, to which its “disease detectives” have turned their attention.

The flu, being truly an infectious disease, often proved itself most valuable to the CDC. Although the winter following the end of World War I was the last time a flu epidemic caused widespread death, the CDC has pushed annual flu vaccinations up to the present day. At times, the agency has even rung the alarm over an impending flu crisis, hoping to use memories of the 1918 epidemic to gain emergency powers and impose mass vaccinations. By using such tactics in 1957 over the Asian flu, the CDC managed to wrangle extra money out of Congress to expand the EIS and crash-produce a vaccine. But the flu season was already winding down by the time the vaccine was ready, and the flu itself turned out to have been as mild as in any other year.

By 1976, CDC director David Sencer wanted to try again, though on a grander scale. After one soldier in Pennsylvania died of a flu-related pneumonia in January, Sencer predicted that a pig-borne human virus, nicknamed the “swine flu,” would soon devastate the United States. Panicked with visions of impending doom, Congress moved to authorize the CDC’s immunization plan for every man, woman, and child in the country. Unexpectedly, the legislation suddenly stalled when the insurance companies underwriting the vaccine discovered that it had seriously toxic side effects.

Sencer had to do something fast. He immediately set up a “War Room” in Auditorium A at the CDC headquarters, and put the EIS network on full alert to search for any disease outbreak that might resemble the flu. Within weeks, the War Room received word of a pneumonia cluster among men just returning home from the Philadelphia convention of the American Legion. Several Philadelphia-based EIS officers and alumni had detected the outbreak, and acted as a fifth column that not only helped arranged an invitation for the CDC to come in, but also took their orders from the arriving team of CDC and EIS officers. Even the New York Times staff writer sent to cover the story, Lawrence Altman, was himself an EIS alumnus.

The CDC team allowed media rumors to circulate that this Legionnaires’ disease was the beginning of the swine flu. Within days, Congress decided to pass the vaccine bill. Only later did the CDC admit that the legionnaires had not been infected by the flu virus, too late to stop the immunization program. Some 50 million Americans received the vaccine, leading to more than a thousand cases of nerve damage and paralysis, dozens of deaths, and lawsuits awarding almost $100 million in damages. In the ultimate irony, no swine flu epidemic ever materialized; the only destruction left behind by the phantom swine flu resulted from the CDC’s vaccine.

The agency later blamed Legionnaires’ disease on a common soil bacterium, one that clearly fails Koch’s postulates for causing the disease and is therefore actually harmless. The legionnaires’ deaths are not so hard to understand, since the pneumonias struck elderly men, many of whom had undergone kidney transplant operations, and who had become particularly drunk during the Bicentennial celebration — the classic risks for pneumonia. Thus “Legionnaires’ disease” is not an infectious condition, but merely a new name for old pneumonias.

Using its EIS network, the CDC has applied similar tactics to other outbreaks of disease. During the 1960s, for example, the EIS helped fuel the National Institute of Health’s growing Virus-Cancer Program by tracking down every small cluster of leukemia cases, trying to create the impression that some virus was responsible for the cancer. Robert Gallo became one of many scientists so impressed with the CDC investigations that he devoted the rest of his career to finding a human leukemia virus.

More recently, the CDC managed to have a team of EIS officers invited into New Mexico to investigate a cluster of pneumonia cases among Navajo Indians. By June of 1993, the CDC began insisting that the brief and relatively small outbreak was caused by a rat fecal virus, the Hantavirus. But as a letter in the January 1 issue of the Lancet pointed out, most of the affected Navajos actually tested negative for the virus. And unlike a contagious disease, this pneumonia never spread beyond the first few dozen victims. Again, the CDC’s “disease detectives” used a high-profile investigation to create media publicity and frighten the general population, rather than troubling themselves with the scientific method and its more boring answers.

Of all the epidemics mismanaged by the CDC, AIDS proved the most spectacular in achieving political success. By 1981, the EIS had so thoroughly penetrated the medical and public health institutions in the United States that it could now detect even the smallest and most loosely-connected “clusters” of diseases, no matter how far apart the victims were in time and space. The original AIDS cases were all found in homosexual men in the “fast track” lifestyle — those having hundreds or thousands of sexual contacts and using enormous amounts of hard drugs to make such promiscuous activity possible. For the CDC, the trick was to make the illness seem contagious; a simple drug-induced epidemic among homosexuals would hardly have frightened the public, nor have allowed the CDC to accomplish its radical public health agenda.

The epidemic officially began in 1980 after Michael Gottlieb, a new immunologist at the UCLA Medical Center in Los Angeles, decided to test the brand new T cell-counting technology. He put out an informal request to fellow physicians to refer cases of immune deficiency to him. Over the next several months, colleagues sent him four such cases, all male homosexuals with Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia. Sensing that the CDC might take an interest, Gottlieb called active EIS officer Wayne Shandera in the Los Angeles health department. Shandera had heard an isolated report of a fifth homosexual with the same problem, and compiled a report for the CDC.

Ordinarily, each of the five cases would have been seen by separate doctors, leaving nothing to suggest the word “epidemic” to anyone. But having a pre-positioned EIS agent like Shandera certainly helped the CDC gather such cases together as a potential cluster. Shandera’s report fell on the desk of James Curran, an official in the CDC’s venereal diseases division; the 1987 book And the Band Played On records that Curran wrote “Hot stuff. Hot stuff.” on the report (p. 67). He had the agency publish it immediately.

By the time the report appeared on June 5, 1981, Curran was already organizing a special Kaposi’s Sarcoma and Opportunistic Infections (KSOI) task force to lead an investigation of the five-victim epidemic. EIS members Harold Jaffe and Mary Guinan, also from the venereal diseases division, helped run the task force. The first order of business was to find as many similar patients as possible, thereby causing the epidemic to “grow.” Next was to explain the syndrome; to the CDC, this meant trying to find an infectious agent. This would be no simple task, since essentially all of the first fifty cases admitted to heavy use of poppers, a drug preferred by homosexuals as a means of facilitating anal intercourse. Even if this toxic drug presented itself as the obvious explanation, the CDC investigators had no intention of letting the evidence interfere. Accordinng to historian Elizabeth Etheridge, “While many of the patients were routine users of amyl nitrites or ‘poppers,’ no one in the KSOI task force believed the disease was a toxicological problem” (Sentinel for Health, 1992, p. 326).

So the EIS was activated to prove AIDS infectious. EIS officer David Auerbach and others confirmed that these extremely promiscuous homosexuals were often linked to one another through long chains of sexual encounters. To prove that AIDS was “spreading” to other people, other officers scoured hospitals to find heroin addicts with opportunistic infections, and blamed their needle-sharing rather than the heroin use, itself a classic risk factor for pneumonias and other illnesses. Bruce Evatt and Dale Lawrence, both members of the EIS, discovered one hemophiliac in Colorado with an opportunistic pneumonia as a side effect of internal bleeding, but rediagnosed the patient as an AIDS case. Even Haitians in Florida and Haiti were interviewed by EIS officer Harry Haverkos, who renamed their endemic tuberculosis as AIDS.

Not understanding the loaded nature of such investigations, the outside world completely bought the CDC line. Soon the race was on for scientific researchers to find the guilty virus. But this search, too, had been rigged. Donald Francis, an EIS member himself since 1971, decided just eleven days after the original Shandera report that the syndrome should be blamed on a retrovirus — with a latent period, no less. Using his various contacts in the retrovirus field, Francis spent the next two years pushing Robert Gallo to isolate a new retrovirus. Eventually Gallo did take an interest, and claimed credit for finding HIV.

With his April 23, 1984, press conference, Gallo completed the crusade begun by the CDC and its EIS. As the cameras rolled and the cameras flashed, Gallo and Health and Human Services Secretary Margaret Heckler launched the nation into a War on AIDS. Few people knew the true story behind that announcement, or of the political agenda that Don Francis and others were preparing to foist on the American people.

The Partnership Program

The CDC’s second major weapon for mobilizing public support lay in its assistance programs for private organizations. By funding or otherwise supporting groups not affiliated with the CDC, the agency could create apparently spontaneous mass movements. Spokesmen claiming to represent various communities could all simultaneously advocate policies identical to those of the CDC, while allowing the agency to remain quietly in the background and avoid direct criticism.

In 1984, the CDC began forming “partnerships,” based on “cooperative agreements,” with large numbers of “community-based organizations,” for the purpose of AIDS “education” [read: indoctrination]. At first the funding was channeled through the United States Conference of Mayors, which dispersed the money to a growing network of AIDS activist groups. By 1985, the CDC was giving over $1 million to state governments, influencing their response to AIDS.

After 1986, the money began flowing freely, and the CDC’s corresponding influence expanded quickly. The American Red Cross alone received over $19 million from 1988 to 1991, cementing CDC control among medical institutions. Millions more were targeted to such groups as the American Medical Association, the National Association of People with AIDS (which operates as a coordinating center for much of the AIDS activist and gay rights movements), Americans for a Sound AIDS Policy (which generates CDC-approved materials for evangelical Christians), the National Education Association (the major teachers’ union), the National PTA, the National Association of Broadcasters (which represents most television and radio stations and their networks), the National Conference of State Legislatures, and dozens of others. Even such groups as the National Urban League, the National Council of La Raza, and the Center for Population Options receive CDC grants and other technical aid. Many specifically AIDS-related groups actually depend on CDC money for their very existence.

Naturally, the CDC has established mechanisms for ensuring that its money and other aid are used for the intended purposes. Organizations wishing to receive grants must not only file applications, but are pre-screened by having to send representatives to CDC workshops on how to apply. These meetings allow the CDC to meet and judge applicants directly. Furthermore, any organization receiving aid winds up having CDC supervision of its AIDS-related “educational” activities.

It is little wonder there is so much political pressure, from all sides, to defend both the virus-AIDS hypothesis and the CDC’s public health agenda.

As with so many non-contagious diseases in the past, the CDC has persuaded the public that AIDS is infectious. Thus the taxpayer is manipulated with fear to acquiesce to the radical measures being pushed by the agency. Where “safe sex” programs, sterile needle exchanges, Federal subsidies of drug addiction, and other CDC proposals would normally be thrown out — along with the officials who proposed them — many Americans suspend judgment.

Most people do not yet realize that the entire campaign has been orchestrated mostly by a single agency of the Federal government, rather than being a spontaneous decision by independent experts and activists. As intended, the CDC has been able to mobilize the scientists, the medical institutions, political bodies, the news media, and a bewildering array of AIDS organizations behind its hidden agenda. All such groups will lose their credibility once the public discovers the real source of the campaign, and honest skepticism will spread faster than AIDS itself.

Signs of imminent change are appearing. The CDC’s public health measures — condoms, sterile needles, contact tracing, and the like — have failed to prevent the steady growth of AIDS. As this bad advice is recognized for what it is, more voices are joining the chorus of dissent against the HIV-AIDS hypothesis. The CDC may soon have to hold HIV research meetings all by itself.

That is, if Congress doesn’t abolish the CDC first.


6 posted on 01/15/2008 6:23:26 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Chickensoup
"suck off"

Part of the cause becomes an end result,eh.....

7 posted on 01/15/2008 6:27:43 AM PST by vavavah
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To: ConorMacNessa
I find it difficult to muster up any sympathy - the solution to their problem is self-evident.

Once again, GMTA. Frankly, it's getting harder and harder to give a rat's neck about this "epidemic" and its "victims".

8 posted on 01/15/2008 6:28:17 AM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: GodGunsGuts

So either he is stating something that was aways known. I was always under the impression that the treatment was just prolonging the inevitable because the drugs would kill the patient instead of the diease. It was a trade off.

OR

There is not enough sympathy in this election cycle so now the sexual politics politicians are doing this for PC sympathy.


9 posted on 01/15/2008 6:31:35 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: yankeedame; ConorMacNessa; CharlesWayneCT; Chickensoup; All

Don’t forget about all the innocent and otherwise healthy HIV+ heterosexual men, women, and children who are put on these highly toxic AIDS chemotherapy drugs.

Check out posts #2 and #3 to see what I mean—GGG


10 posted on 01/15/2008 6:32:26 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

well if the side effects are worse than having AIDS..... stop taking them.

It’s called a cost benefit ration.


11 posted on 01/15/2008 6:32:27 AM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: Dick Vomer

That’s the best advice I have heard in a long, long time.


12 posted on 01/15/2008 6:33:04 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: yankeedame; ConorMacNessa; CharlesWayneCT; Chickensoup; All

Sorry, make that post #2 and post #6


13 posted on 01/15/2008 6:35:59 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Here’s a tip for male homosexuals—eat one gallon of spicy chili, drink one or two bottles of hot sauce and about 12 beers.

...this is NOT a cure for aids but is will be a shining example of why you have an @zzhole.

14 posted on 01/15/2008 6:40:34 AM PST by sierrahome (Hillary Clinton "America's Ex-Wife")
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To: GodGunsGuts

How about the ratio of death for aids patients and other diseases compared to the money spent. It ain’t even close, for all the hoopla about aids it’s a very hard disease to get and the deaths are relatively small. But it is the politically correct disease and as long as we have a political party that is willing to sacrifice the many for the few innocents will continue to die.


15 posted on 01/15/2008 6:41:29 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: GodGunsGuts

They say they have good reason to be scared????

HELL might be a little bit more of a reason to be scared!!


16 posted on 01/15/2008 6:43:43 AM PST by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: sierrahome

Oh, too funny.


17 posted on 01/15/2008 6:58:38 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: GodGunsGuts

It’s like cancer, if the disease doesn’t kill, the medicines taken to fight it will.


18 posted on 01/15/2008 7:03:30 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

==It’s like cancer, if the disease doesn’t kill, the medicines taken to fight it will.

Except, unlike cancer, they put completely healthy HIV+ patients on chemo, and keep them on it, until the day they die.


19 posted on 01/15/2008 7:07:36 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

So what do the aids drugs do to people? I wasn’t able to read the article.


20 posted on 01/15/2008 7:09:14 AM PST by DungeonMaster (WELL I SPEAK LOUD, AND I CARRY A BIGGER STICK, AND I USE IT TOO!)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Again, the caring right wing, pro-life Christians show their undying compassion towards human life.


21 posted on 01/15/2008 7:13:02 AM PST by Hildy (You know you're in love when you can't fall asleep cause reality is finally better than your dreams)
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To: Hildy

I have a great deal of compassion for human life and for the innocent victims of AIDS. It’s the ones who contract it by means of their perverted conduct I can’t feel much sympathy for.


22 posted on 01/15/2008 7:16:01 AM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Mr. Kramer, 73 and a long-term survivor, said he had always suspected “it was only a matter of time before stuff like this happened”

Not the first time I have heard of a 70+ person lamenting the fact that their body was deteriorating due to any number of causes.

In addition to the lifestyle effects, there is this phenomenon called getting old.
23 posted on 01/15/2008 7:17:37 AM PST by rusty millet
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To: DungeonMaster

Let me know if this works. Also, check out post #2, and if you really want to get your blood boiling, check out post #6

Link to NY Times article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/health/06HIV.html?_r=4&pagewanted=1&hp&adxnnlx=1200103675-q0NlPD9qQOXzRTB1s1CayA&oref=slogin


24 posted on 01/15/2008 7:24:37 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: rusty millet

Read the article. For some reason it’s not working on the excerpt. It’s younger people they are talking about.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/health/06HIV.html?_r=4&pagewanted=1&hp&adxnnlx=1200103675-q0NlPD9qQOXzRTB1s1CayA&oref=slogin


25 posted on 01/15/2008 7:26:29 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
In 1993 I knew the following to be true:

If you were HIV positive, otherwise healthy and took AZT per your doctors orders you would die. If you didn't, you would live.

Nothing I have read since has changed my mind on that subject. All that changed is the dose levels of the killer drugs that are prescribed for HIV positives. So death is a little slower.

Here is my prescription for anyone who is told they are HIV positive.

Stop taking any kind of illegal drugs. Take a hard look at any prescription medicine you are taking and make sure that it isn't killing you. In particular, refuse any drugs offered as a "cure" for your HIV infection. Change your eating habits to a healthy diet. Start exercising regularly. Stop having sex in ways that make you subject to continuous viral or bacterial infections.

27 posted on 01/15/2008 7:32:09 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint
If people took your advice, AIDS would disappear in short order IMHO.
28 posted on 01/15/2008 7:34:17 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: ConorMacNessa

So..people who get ill by behavior you find offensive, are less than human? I thought we’re all God’s children. Do you have a similar opinion of people who smoke, drink and eat too much?


29 posted on 01/15/2008 7:43:48 AM PST by Hildy (You know you're in love when you can't fall asleep cause reality is finally better than your dreams)
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To: GodGunsGuts

It seems most of the people cited in the article are 50+. I’ve been griping about my deterioration since I was 40. I see it’s not going to get much better.

Not discussed here is the effects of decades of feces ingestion, and drug and alcohol abuse. Many people with these behavioral disorders do pay with a pretty severe toll on their bodies.

I am not a medical professional, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night with my wife, who is an ICU nurse. The complex of problems associated with similar patients that she sees is pretty dramatic, even in people in their 20’s and 30’s.

There used to be a program called “Scared Straight” where delinquents get to visit people incarcerated in jail. Perhaps there should be similar programs for youngsters to visit broken-down homosexuals in hospital ICUs to accompany their sexual diversity/tolerance training.


30 posted on 01/15/2008 7:45:29 AM PST by rusty millet
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To: Hildy

Behavior that is against the moral order. I think their conduct is intrinsically evil and that they’re getting exactly what they deserve.


31 posted on 01/15/2008 7:47:34 AM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Just what I expected to hear.


32 posted on 01/15/2008 7:58:49 AM PST by Hildy (You know you're in love when you can't fall asleep cause reality is finally better than your dreams)
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To: GodGunsGuts
(1) AIDS is not contagious. For example, not even one health care worker has contracted AIDS from over 800,000 AIDS patients in America and Europe.

This is just plain not true.

A friend (an emergency room nurse) died from aids. She contracted it from blood spattered in her eye by an accident victim. This occurred in the early days of the epidemic before nurses routinely wore protective gloves, glasses etc.

33 posted on 01/15/2008 8:18:24 AM PST by joshhiggins
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To: Hildy

==So..people who get ill by behavior you find offensive, are less than human?

Actually, there are a plethora of otherwise healthy heterosexual men, women and children who, if Duesberg et all are correct (see post #2 and #6), are being maimed or killed by the very chemotherapy drugs they use to treat AIDS.


34 posted on 01/15/2008 8:20:54 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: rusty millet

I would challenge you to read the paper in post #2 carefully. It was certainly an eye-opener for me.


35 posted on 01/15/2008 8:24:07 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: joshhiggins

Well that would be the first, and the AIDS establishment would have rushed her case into publication had they ever heard about it.

Just out of curiosity, since you said this happened in the early days, was she put on AZT?


36 posted on 01/15/2008 8:27:36 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: joshhiggins
A friend (an emergency room nurse) died from aids. She contracted it from blood spattered in her eye by an accident victim. This occurred in the early days of the epidemic before nurses routinely wore protective gloves, glasses etc.

Before you conclude that she died of AIDS you had better have a close look at the drugs that were given to her as a "cure". They probably killed her.

37 posted on 01/15/2008 8:32:24 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint

BTW, I won’t bore you with post #2 since you already seem to be well versed re: AIDS rethinkers. But did you happen to read post #6? Conservatives have been hoodwinked by the AIDS establishment and I think it’s about time they woke up to this fact and held them accountable.

All the best—GGG


38 posted on 01/15/2008 8:47:36 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Conservatives have been hoodwinked by the AIDS establishment and I think it’s about time they woke up to this fact and held them accountable.

That sounds good in theory. I believe in practice any attempt to hold anyone resposible inside the beltway will disappear into a bureaucratic morass of round-robin finger pointing. That is the way of bureaucracies.

39 posted on 01/15/2008 8:53:09 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Or maybe their health problems have nothing to do with AIDS drugs and more to do with the cumulative affect of repeated STD infections.


40 posted on 01/15/2008 8:58:17 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: tacticalogic

The key is a grassroots campaign to demand that our local congressional reps hold hearings and start asking the tough questions. That’s why the House of Reps have small districts and have to run for election every two years. The framers designed their office so they would be accountable to THE PEOPLE.

“The information set forth in this book should be read by anyone interested in the AIDS issue. The government has evolved an enormous scientific bureaucracy which may be premised on chasing the wrong horse. I suggest a full-scale Congressional investigation be conducted to dig out the answers.” —Congressman Bill Dannemeyer (re: Duesberg’s book “Inventing the AIDS Virus”)


41 posted on 01/15/2008 9:00:40 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Chickensoup

wow...I didn’t know that. Most of them can still work for a long time with aids. What a disgrace.


42 posted on 01/15/2008 9:02:18 AM PST by fabian
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

It certainly deserves to be looked into. But that doesn’t explain completely healthy, non drug using, non promiscuous, heterosexual men, women and children who have died of “AIDS.” I submit that these individuals were exclusively killed by AIDS chemotherapy drugs—especially AZT.


43 posted on 01/15/2008 9:04:03 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Well, I’m supposed to be working, so I scanned the article, instead of reading it carefully :)

The paper hypothesized that recreational/illegal drug use is associated with AIDS related symptoms. It also hypothesizes that drugs currently used to treat HIV infection are related to AIDS symptoms.

With my admittedly limited attention to the subject I can say that AIDS-related deaths were very common prior to the release of AZT and the other drug(s). AIDS was a death sentence, causing some people to clamor for increased research funding.

Now, people still die, albeit at a slower rate, and not always predictably. The effects of the disease and treatment drugs combined are not always pretty, and some genetic differences in predisposition to problems are likely.

My wife’s experience is often with people who are non-compliant in their treatment of their HIV infections. These people often die in the 20’s and 30’s. In her experience of an admittedly limited sample, people who are HIV+, 50+, and non-compliant with meds are rare in the ICU. So, they are either dead, or comparatively “healthy”.

If the complainers think the treatments are causing them problems, it is within their right to terminate treatment. Their actions speak more about their opinions than their words - kinda like Huckabee’s “Tax me more” program /OT.

Concerning the hypotheses in article 2, people who exhibit extreme drug use and other behavioral disorders probably don’t eat their vegetables, get enough sleep at night, exercise, say their prayers, go to the dentist, etc, They will be prone to many and diverse problems.


44 posted on 01/15/2008 9:06:26 AM PST by rusty millet
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To: GodGunsGuts

Who dies of AIDS anymore?


45 posted on 01/15/2008 9:09:05 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: ConorMacNessa; Hildy

ConorMacNessa is right. Their behavior is intrinsically evil. However, the Christian thing to do is to pray and act for their repentence, for they are threatened with going to “not a nice place” in the afterlife.


46 posted on 01/15/2008 9:09:40 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: rusty millet
All very good points. However, if you take the time to read Duesberg’s paper closely, I think you will find that all these anomalies are addressed and answered. What’s unfortunate in regards to the AIDS debate is that very few people are willing or feel qualified to take the time to sort these issues out.
47 posted on 01/15/2008 9:13:12 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Although AIDS is in decline, the same risk groups are dying of AIDS. But in addition to that, otherwise healthy HIV+ heterosexual men, women and children are still being put on AIDS chemotherapy drugs.


48 posted on 01/15/2008 9:15:28 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
The key is a grassroots campaign to demand that our local congressional reps hold hearings and start asking the tough questions. That’s why the House of Reps have small districts and have to run for election every two years. The framers designed their office so they would be accountable to THE PEOPLE.

Unfortunately, Congress has fallen into the practice of transferring their power to unelected and largely unanswerable bureaucrats. Welcome to the New Deal.

49 posted on 01/15/2008 9:15:29 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Everyone has AIDS!
AIDS AIDS AIDS!
AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS!
Everyone has AIDS!

And so this is the end of our story
And everyone is dead from AIDS
It took from me my best friend
My only true pal
My only bright star (he died of AIDS)

Well I’m gonna march on Washington
Lead the fight and charge the brigades
There’s a hero inside of all of us
I’ll make them see everyone has AIDS

My father (AIDS!)
My sister (AIDS!)
My uncle and my cousin and her best friend (AIDS AIDS AIDS!)
The gays and the straights
And the white and the spades

Everyone has AIDS!
My grandma and my dog ‘ol blue (AIDS AIDS AIDS)
The pope has got it and so do you (AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS)
C’mon everybody we got quilting to do (AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS)
We gotta break down these baricades, everyone has
AIDS! x 20


50 posted on 01/15/2008 9:17:39 AM PST by dfwgator (11+7+15=3 Heismans)
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