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The man who knew too much?
Dailkhy Mial (UK) ^ | Janujary 15, 2008 | SALLY BEDELL SMITH

Posted on 01/15/2008 6:35:25 AM PST by libstripper

On a Monday night in July 1993, a 48-year-old lawyer called Vince Foster was found dead in a park near Washington DC.

He had died from a gunshot wound to the mouth and his father's .38-calibre revolver, dating from 1913, was at his side.

It was the same method of suicide used by a Marine officer in the film A Few Good Men - which Foster was known recently to have watched.

In the movie, the officer had killed himself because he was distraught about testifying against his commanding officer.

In real life, Vince Foster was distraught at the prospect of being grilled about the shady affairs of Hillary Clinton.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: clinton; foster; hillary; hillaryclinton; vincefoster
It's really something for the Brits to have to be the ones to pick up on this. One interesting thing about the article is it allows readers to add their comments. We Freepres should exercise our opportunity.
1 posted on 01/15/2008 6:35:28 AM PST by libstripper
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To: libstripper

BTTT, and to read later. Thanks!


2 posted on 01/15/2008 6:37:42 AM PST by vox_freedom
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To: libstripper

No matter what the reason, the fact that a top confidante of the Clintons hada breakdown, walked out of the WH and shot himself was a sign of a seriously disfunctional group. But the media and republicans treat all the most outrageous Clinton incidents as an embarrassment, not to be mentioned.


3 posted on 01/15/2008 6:48:21 AM PST by Williams
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To: libstripper

If the Pubbies have any Cajones left at all this is the kind of stuff that can insure a 2008 sweep. I just don’t think that they have ‘em. IMHO


4 posted on 01/15/2008 6:50:28 AM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Williams

Liar, liar, pantsuit on fire!
Oh that lying sociopath, Hillary...
An official report issued seven years later concluded that her statements had been “factually false.”
However, Hill’s words from 7 years earlier are quite clear: She...insisted that the (travelgate) firings were not her fault. Others had misconstrued an “off-hand comment”: she had meant only to suggest that the staff should “look into” questions about mismanagement. Hillary also insisted she didn’t know the “origin of the decision” to remove the employees, and that she “did not direct that any action be taken.”


5 posted on 01/15/2008 6:53:46 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: libstripper

wow!!!

scary family those Clintons


6 posted on 01/15/2008 6:55:15 AM PST by Fox_Mulder77
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To: libstripper

The article supports the premise that Vince Foster committed suicide. That argument is made on psychology. The physical evidence indicates that if Foster did commit suicide, it was not at Fort Marcy Park or with his thumb in the trigger as the photo shown once on ABC indicate.


7 posted on 01/15/2008 6:58:03 AM PST by Biblebelter
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To: iopscusa

A republican candidate with any cajones would bring up these issues. Even money on whether Hilary would stutter or just go silent.


8 posted on 01/15/2008 6:58:23 AM PST by Williams
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To: libstripper

Amazing what the negative energy that surrounds these two continues to manifest.


9 posted on 01/15/2008 6:58:32 AM PST by ninonitti
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To: libstripper

As usual the media picks up on this years after the events....old news...nothing of importance...water under the bridge...I’m sick of these loser hillarybillies.
PURE SCUM!


10 posted on 01/15/2008 7:01:05 AM PST by oust the louse ("NEVER LET THE ENEMY PICK THE BATTLESITE".....General George S. Patton,Jr.)
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To: libstripper
In real life, Vince Foster was distraught at the prospect of being grilled about the shady affairs of Hillary Clinton.

In real life, Foster was murdered.

11 posted on 01/15/2008 7:01:56 AM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: libstripper

Horrible photo editing of Hillary in the article’s picture of her and Vince.


12 posted on 01/15/2008 7:03:38 AM PST by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: libstripper

This is really unbelievable - not the article, but that it got published! Also, there’s a Times UK article linked from Drudge today that goes back over the Lewinsky scandal. What’s in the water in London?


13 posted on 01/15/2008 7:09:21 AM PST by July 4th
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To: libstripper
We Freepres should exercise our opportunity.

Done.

14 posted on 01/15/2008 7:11:13 AM PST by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: libstripper

“It was the same method of suicide used by a Marine officer in the film A Few Good Men”

A .22 short behind the ear?


15 posted on 01/15/2008 7:11:38 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (And close the damned borders!)
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To: coop71

16 posted on 01/15/2008 7:12:58 AM PST by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: Biblebelter

yeah, most sucides end with no finger prints and no blood on a gun that you place in your mouth. happens all the time. if you know the clintons that is.


17 posted on 01/15/2008 7:16:29 AM PST by bird4four4 (Behead those who suggest Islam is violent!)
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To: ErnBatavia

Wonder why they chopped her hair/neck. Weird.


18 posted on 01/15/2008 7:21:18 AM PST by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: libstripper
snip, from article: At the funeral for Hillary’s father, who died during the Clintons’ first term at the White House, it was on Foster’s shoulder that the First Lady rested her slightly over-large head.

Inevitably, this intimate gesture added fuel to rumours that they were - or at least had been - romantically involved. After all, Bill Clinton had been seeking his pleasures elsewhere - so why not Hillary?

My supposition is that Foster was very afraid of a grand jury asking questions for which he knew the answers. One topic area would be the relationship between him and Hillary and he knew he couldn't lie about it. In other words, could he truthfully say, "Ah did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton"?

Another area would be the tangled Rose Hill Law firm practice of Hillary and himself -- Morgan bank dealings, Whitewater, IRS income filings, etc., etc. Then there are the White House matters such as the Travel Office firings -- apparently illegal and Hillary directly implicated. If Foster had lived, all of these issues would have been on the table for investigative questioning and he would have been the one to cause her, and her husband's, downfall. He couldn't live to see that day.

This case has always been the most provocative because Foster knew all, and his untimely death -- caused by his own suicide or by murder -- can be directly tied to the continuum of Hillary's power. Foster's death can or, in fact, will now very well lead to her ascension to the highest elected position in the world. I hope further information finally becomes available on this case. Maybe Mrs. Foster or others will finally talk about it...

19 posted on 01/15/2008 7:42:45 AM PST by vox_freedom
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To: Williams

“A republican candidate with any cajones would bring up these issues. Even money on whether Hilary would stutter or just go silent”

for a candidate to bring this to the fore it might well back-fire.

it needs to be made an issue by others - media, pundits, internet, etc.


20 posted on 01/15/2008 7:45:22 AM PST by elpadre
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To: Fox_Mulder77

Yep, what a series of articles. I would rather forget about that bunch, but here they are again.


21 posted on 01/15/2008 7:46:21 AM PST by JLS
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To: libstripper

I would rather Anna Nicole Smith would be elected president. At least there would be a little freshness to the scandals. The political leadership would still be about on a par, though, admittedly off into the ditch on the opposite side of the road.


22 posted on 01/15/2008 7:56:58 AM PST by RobinOfKingston (Man, that's stupid...even by congressional standards.)
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To: libstripper

self ping


23 posted on 01/15/2008 7:57:00 AM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: vox_freedom

I believe there is a “swiftboat” team preparing for this scenario...And I believe that the way John Kerry was treated was a practice run...


24 posted on 01/15/2008 7:57:40 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (To Err Is Human. To Arr is Pirate. To Unnngh! is Freeper.)
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To: K4Harty

if you only knew what is in story for the Clintons


25 posted on 01/15/2008 8:11:17 AM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: advertising guy

:o)


26 posted on 01/15/2008 8:13:50 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (To Err Is Human. To Arr is Pirate. To Unnngh! is Freeper.)
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To: libstripper
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It’s really something for the Brits to have to be the ones to pick up on this
<<

When conservatives speculated about Vince Foster (like: 101 Peculiarities Surrounding the Death of Vincent Foster” by Richard Franklin [1]), it was just the rantings of the Right Wingnuts.

When the Left starts to put out bad news about someone they previously protected by withholding the same bad news, the only thing I can conclude is there must be a shift in power in the making. That shift may because of Obama. We can only stay tuned.

[1] 101 Peculiarities Surrounding the Death of Vincent Foster by Richard Franklin at: www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/3450/foster.html

27 posted on 01/15/2008 8:23:13 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: advertising guy

My fear is that it will only garner them sympathy. “The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy”rears it’s angry head again will be the cry from the Clintonoids.


28 posted on 01/15/2008 8:27:02 AM PST by surrey
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To: surrey

there is a working ACTIVE justice dept file on these murderers


29 posted on 01/15/2008 8:28:40 AM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: libstripper

something smells bad in this story....


30 posted on 01/15/2008 8:29:06 AM PST by rusureitflies? (OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD! There, I said it. Prove me wrong.)
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To: vox_freedom
Think about the cheating of clients that was blamed on Web.

Hillary was the greedy one, not Web.

Rose Law Firm settled accounts far in excess of the money Web was supposed to have stolen.

The billing records disappeared for reasons greater than a few minutes talking about Grande.

Add the fire at the fifteenth offices of Ernst & Ernst that destroyed other client records.

31 posted on 01/15/2008 8:30:06 AM PST by razorback-bert (Remember that amateurs built the Ark while professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: advertising guy

Yeah, I have a lot of faith in the Justice Department. Sandy Burger ring a bell? Where has they have been in all the years that the Clintons have been out of office?


32 posted on 01/15/2008 8:38:42 AM PST by surrey
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To: elpadre

Perhaps the Vince Foster suicide is way too delicate, but Hilary should be confronted about her billing records, cattle futures, among others.


33 posted on 01/15/2008 8:40:44 AM PST by Williams
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To: libstripper

COLUMBO: CASE OF THE FOSTER “SUICIDE”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/949388/posts

http://www.aci.net/kalliste/columbo.htm

COLUMBO: CASE OF THE FOSTER “SUICIDE”
by P. J. Gladnick


(President Clinton is sitting at his desk in the Oval Office. A voice is heard on his intercom. It is his secretary.)

SECRETARY: Mr. President, Lieutenant Columbo is here to see you.

(The Oval Office door opens a bit. Columbo peeks in tentatively.)

COLUMBO: I hope I’m not disturbing you, Mr. President.

CLINTON (smiling broadly): Not at all! I heard that you were visiting the White House. That’s why I had my people take you off the tour line to see me. I’ve always been a big fan of yours.

(Columbo, puffing on a cigar and wearing a wrinkled raincoat, walks in a slouching manner up to Clinton. A beaming Clinton stands up from behind his desk and heartily shakes Columbo’s hand.)

COLUMBO: Mr. President, this is indeed an honor. Let me tell you, my wife is a big fan of yours. Sir, I don’t mean to impose but do you think you can autograph a photo for my wife?

CLINTON: Heck, that’s no problem. I’ll be happy to oblige.

(Clinton pulls a photo of himself from his desk, signs it, and hands it to Columbo.)

COLUMBO: This is terrific! You don’t know what this will mean to my wife_..Uhh, before I go, do you mind if I ask you a personal question?

CLINTON: Huh? Okay, sure.

COLUMBO: Could you tell me how much you paid for your suit? I really admire the material.

CLINTON: I, umm, think it cost about $500.

COLUMBO: And so clean too. With a suit like that you must send it out to the cleaners after each time you wear it.

CLINTON: Of course.

COLUMBO: Well, this is what’s bothering me. I heard that your good friend, the late Vincent Foster, was also a nice dresser yet there were carpet fibers discovered all over his suit when they found him after his tragic suicide in Fort Marcy Park.

(Clinton’s smile turns a bit tense.)

CLINTON: So?

COLUMBO: So it seems like a mystery how all these fibers ended up on his suit. You might pick up a few carpet fibers around the bottom of the pants but not all over the suit.

CLINTON: I think the FBI determined that the carpet fibers probably came from his home.

COLUMBO: That is only an assumption because the FBI never actually took samples from the carpet fibers at his home. With all those fibers on his suit, you would think that they would make a comparison.

CLINTON (Slightly exasperated): Look, Lieutenant Columbo, there have already been three investigations into this matter and they all ruled that Vince Foster committed suicide.

COLUMBO: Oh, I’m not questioning the investigations. I’m sure Mr. Foster died just the way they said but there are still a few loose ends.

CLINTON: Such as?

COLUMBO: Such as the autopsy X-rays.

CLINTON: What about the X-rays?

COLUMBO: Dr. James Beyer, the Deputy Medical Examiner for Northern Virginia, conducted the autopsy but no X-rays were taken.

CLINTON: No X-rays were taken? That’s absurd! They must have been taken in a case of this importance.

COLUMBO: Dr. Beyer checked off a box on the autopsy report stating that he took X-rays yet he later claimed the X-ray machine was inoperable.

CLINTON: Aren’t you forgetting the suicide note that Foster left behind?

COLUMBO (slaps forehead with his hand): That’s right! The suicide note! Obviously it must have been suicide if Foster left behind a suicide note.

(Clinton looks cheerful again.)

CLINTON: I guess that closes the case then.

COLUMBO: It sure does! Mr. President, you don’t know how relieved this makes me feel. I’m sorry to have taken up your time with this matter.

CLINTON: Think nothing of it.

(Columbo leaves through the door and Clinton returns to his desk. A few moments later the door opens again and Columbo leans just inside the doorway.)

COLUMBO: Uhh, there’s just one little point that I overlooked.

CLINTON (looking irritated): What is it, Lieutenant Columbo?

COLUMBO: How do we know that the suicide note was actually written by Mr. Foster?

CLINTON: The suicide note’s handwriting was analyzed and judged to be authentic.

COLUMBO: Yes, by a Capitol police sergeant who only studied handwriting as a hobby. The fact of the matter is that three renowned handwriting experts including Reginald Alton of Oxford University determined that the note, supposedly written by Mr. Foster, was an obvious forgery.

CLINTON: Lieutenant Columbo, are you one of those conspiracy kooks? The autopsy report, even without the X-rays, proved it was a suicide.

(Columbo reaches inside his raincoat and pulls out a couple of sheets of paper.)

COLUMBO: The strange thing is that the official finding says it was a mouth to head wound yet take a look at the report of the Fairfax County Medical Examiner, Dr. Haut. It came from the National Archives and was placed on the Internet from where I downloaded it.

(Columbo hands the papers to Clinton.)

Clinton: Hmm...It says that the wound was “mouth-head” just like the official report.

COLUMBO: Yes but look at the word “head.” It’s obvious that was typed in after another word just to its left was whited out. Then if you look on the second page of Haut’s report it actually says the wounds were “mouth to neck.” I submit, sir, that the first page was altered to change the wound location.

CLINTON: The bottom line is that, despite these discrepancies, the investigators have determined that Vince Foster committed suicide in Fort Marcy Park.

COLUMBO: Oh, sir. I’m not disputing their expertise. It’s just that professional police officers are trained to treat every death as a homicide until suicide is proven. In this case, however, Cheryl Braun, the senior Park Police Officer testified that they determined that Foster had committed suicide before they had even inspected the body.

CLINTON: This is all very interesting theory but the fact is that the Foster case has been ruled a suicide...Case closed.

COLUMBO: I’m sure you’re right about that. After all, if those in authority say it was a suicide then it must be so. Well, good day, Mr. President. Sorry for troubling you about details that must have some logical explanation.

CLINTON: Thank you for visiting, Lieutenant Columbo, and goodbye.

(Columbo leaves the room. Clinton returns to his desk and begins writing on some papers. A little while later we see Columbo looking from the outside into the Oval Office through a window just behind Clinton. Columbo begins tapping on the window. At first Clinton doesn’t hear him. Then he turns around and opens the window.)

CLINTON: Columbo! What is your problem?

(Columbo bends over and then stands back up again holding his shoes.)

COLUMBO: See all that dirt on the soles of my shoes?

CLINTON: Okay, they’re dirty. So what?

COLUMBO: It’s just like when my cousin Guido visits me. He likes working in my yard which is great but my wife throws a fit when Guido tries to walk into the house because of all the dirt on his shoes.

CLINTON: Will you please get to the point, Columbo!

COLUMBO: Well, the FBI scraped Mr. Foster’s shoes thoroughly but found no traces of soil. Everybody else who walked in the area of Fort Marcy Park where Foster was found came away with lots of dirt on their shoes.

CLINTON: You’re wrong, Columbo. A forensic expert found soil on Foster’s shoes.

COLUMBO: Oh yes. Henry Lee thought he found microscopic quantities of the soil on the shoes long after the FBI carefully went over them. Lee was the same fellow who determined that OJ Simpson must have been innocent because he thought he saw another footprint which never existed at the murder scene. Somehow I don’t think Mr. Lee is the most reliable expert in this regard.

CLINTON: Are you trying to say that Foster did not commit suicide in Fort Marcy Park?

COLUMBO: I think that could be a distinct possibility, sir. I’m sure that you, having been a friend of Mr. Foster, would want to leave no stone unturned to get to the bottom of this matter.

CLINTON: Just what do you expect me to do?

COLUMBO: It would be helpful if you could make the videotape from the White House parking lot surveillance camera available. We need to see Mr. Foster entering his car on the day he died.

CLINTON: That tape is missing from the White House vault where it was stored.

COLUMBO: Then how about the videotape from the vault surveillance camera? Maybe we can find out who removed the parking lot video from the vault.

CLINTON: The vault video is missing too. Perhaps the parking lot camera never caught Foster entering his car?

COLUMBO: At the most guarded building in the world? Not likely. As a matter of fact I’m sure that cameras are watching me right now and that Secret Service guards should be apprehending me at any moment.

(Suddenly several uniformed guards grab Columbo and haul him away.)

COLUMBO (shouting from the distance): This has been a really enlightening conversation, Mr. President! I hope we can pick up where we left off in the near future!

(Clinton slams the window shut.)


34 posted on 01/15/2008 8:49:39 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: Don Corleone
If the Pubbies have any Cajones left at all this is the kind of stuff that can insure a 2008 sweep.

I'm not so sure. If they start screaming about Vince foster, the public will just tune them out and the liberal MSM will help in that regard.

35 posted on 01/15/2008 9:01:42 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: Fox_Mulder77
wow!!!

scary family those Clintons

 

"Yeah, but if it's <insert name of least-favorite "RINO" candidate here> running against her, I'm sitting this one out!"

/s

/d.a.

36 posted on 01/15/2008 9:47:55 AM PST by itsamelman (Announcing your plans is a good way to hear God laugh. - - Al Swearengen)
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To: coloradan; libstripper; Williams; Biblebelter
In real life, Foster was murdered.

No question about that, coloradan!

The posted article is nothing more than old recycled "depression" theories attempting to explain a bogus "suicide." There was no evidence before the death that Foster was "depressed". The depression theories" only began to circulate in the media following the discovery of the bogus "suicide note" one week after the death.

Of critical importance is that - contrary to this Brit article - Foster did not write the "suicide note," as determined by three world-class independent forensic document examiners! So those attempting to use the content of the note as evidence to explain Foster's mental state are barking up the wrong tree, if not downright disingenuous.

37 posted on 01/15/2008 12:27:56 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Williams

Agreed, but the Foster case needs an airing it is just that the candidate can’t do it. (something like a third rail issue)

Flooding internet with the details of the story might get it some attention.


38 posted on 01/15/2008 1:31:50 PM PST by elpadre
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To: lowbridge

Excellent post!


39 posted on 01/15/2008 2:08:03 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: lowbridge
If they start screaming about Vince Foster, the public will just tune them out...

That could be, but remember that there's nothing quite so titillating as a good murder mystery, especially one in which one of the prime suspects is a candidate for president of the United States.

There are rare times when the public can thwart the MSM agenda.

40 posted on 01/15/2008 2:14:21 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: theBuckwheat; libstripper
It's really something for the Brits to have to be the ones to pick up on this.

This British reporterette didn't pick up on anything, anything new that is. These attempts at explaining Vincent Foster's supposed "depression" are futile, because he wasn't depressed and he didn't commit "suicide". In other words, these armchair psychoanalysts are merely engaging in a cover-up for a heinous murder.

BTW, the first of this type of phony "depression" article concerning Foster in the print media was written by none other than Sidney ("Sid Vicious") Blumenthal less than two weeks after Foster's death. The mere fact that Blumenthal was the author speaks volumes as to what the Clintonista agenda was then and what it apparently still is to this day.

41 posted on 01/15/2008 3:53:19 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93; All
The interesting thing about this article is that, as I originally posted, it was apparently open for comments and I urged other Freepers to post their comments. Before I posted the article, I added a comment that pointed out how the article missed the total lack of forensic debris that normally, indeed, inevitably, accompanies an "eat the gun" suicide, i.e., a spray of bone and brain fragments from the exit wound. They neither acknowledged my comment nor posted it and they apparently closed the posting with only 19 comments shortly after 10:00 a.m. EST. I suspect they got a barrage of comments similar to mine and those of many other Freepers here, decided the topic was too hot, and shut down their comment line.

Did anybody else here try to post there and have a similar problem?

42 posted on 01/16/2008 6:38:54 AM PST by libstripper
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To: libstripper

anniversary bump


43 posted on 07/20/2009 11:50:24 AM PDT by murdoog
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