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Indiana Jones meets the Da Vinci Code (Koran a Hoax?)
Asia Times ^ | Jan 15, 2008 | Spengler

Posted on 01/15/2008 8:18:13 AM PST by Tazzo

Islam watchers blogged all weekend about news that a secret archive of ancient Islamic texts had surfaced after 60 years of suppression. Andrew Higgins' Wall Street Journal report that the photographic record of Koranic manuscripts, supposedly destroyed during World War II but occulted by a scholar of alleged Nazi sympathies, reads like a conflation of the Da Vinci Code with Indiana Jones and the Holy Grail. The Da Vinci Code offered a silly fantasy in which Opus Dei, homicidal monks and twisted billionaires chased after proof that Christianity is a hoax. But the story of the photographic archive of the Bavarian Academy of Sciences, now ensconced in a Berlin vault, is a case of life imitating truly dreadful art.

....The history of the archive reads like an Islamic version of the Da Vinci Code. It is not clear why its existence was occulted for sixty years, or why it has come to light now, or when scholars will have free access to it.

(Excerpt) Read more at atimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: goldentablets; islam; koran; magicspectacles
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This should fun, pass the popcorn!
1 posted on 01/15/2008 8:18:14 AM PST by Tazzo
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To: Tazzo
occulted by a scholar

I don't think I've seen it used as a verb before. But it seems to be an oddly appropriate word choice.

2 posted on 01/15/2008 8:20:21 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: Tazzo

The koran is simply the bible twisted to meet mohammed’s purpose of domination over enemies.


3 posted on 01/15/2008 8:21:07 AM PST by Larebil (My name is liberal backwards, since they backwards thinking)
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To: Tazzo

Spengler(He,They) is not breaking news.


4 posted on 01/15/2008 8:22:20 AM PST by BGHater ('A Nation's best defense is an educated citizenry'-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Tazzo
Koran a Hoax?

yes the whole damn thing is a hoax

5 posted on 01/15/2008 8:22:21 AM PST by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: Tazzo

The Koran is Satan’s bible.


6 posted on 01/15/2008 8:22:45 AM PST by joebuck
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To: ClearCase_guy

They use it in reference to the twelfth imam too. He has been in occultation since 1342 or some non-sense like that. I thought that was appropriate too. And I think the whole koran is a hoax.


7 posted on 01/15/2008 8:22:55 AM PST by bird4four4 (Behead those who suggest Islam is violent!)
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To: Tazzo
...Haj Amin al-Husseini, the mufti of Jerusalem...

I am not sure, but I think HE was a relative of Saddam Hussein........

8 posted on 01/15/2008 8:24:02 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Tazzo

I’m waiting for Time Magazine and the History channel to pour over this evidence and have exposes during the next Ramadan...


9 posted on 01/15/2008 8:25:52 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I don't think I've seen it used as a verb before. But it seems to be an oddly appropriate word choice.

Very true........

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/occulted

10 posted on 01/15/2008 8:25:54 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: joebuck

Mohammed was an anti-Christ. He acknowledged Jesus AND denied Him and led the flock astray.


11 posted on 01/15/2008 8:27:11 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: Tazzo

I read the article in the WSJ about this subject. It didn’t contend that the Koran is a hoax. It talked about the efforts to apply the same textual criticism to the Koran that was applied to the Bible. Apparently the loss of these films for sixty years made this analysis impossible. Now that they have resurfaced it may become possible again to critically look at the Koran and trace it’s development. Of course it would require courageous researchers to do this.


12 posted on 01/15/2008 8:27:52 AM PST by jalisco555 ("The only thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history." Winston Churchill)
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To: Tazzo

A hoax and a cult.


13 posted on 01/15/2008 8:27:55 AM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Vaquero
Koran a Hoax?

"yes the whole damn thing is a hoax"

I repeat myself. Islam is a mental illness.

14 posted on 01/15/2008 8:28:20 AM PST by davisfh
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To: Tazzo
This should fun, pass the popcorn!

Here's the relevant snack for this particular endeavor!

15 posted on 01/15/2008 8:28:29 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: weegee
"I’m waiting for Time Magazine and the History channel to pour over this evidence and have exposes during the next Ramadan..."

I suspect persons in charge at those media outlets are far too in favor of their heads remaining attached to their necks.

16 posted on 01/15/2008 8:28:56 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Tazzo

Wonder how fast the Fatwahinese are gonna start issuing death threats over this?


17 posted on 01/15/2008 8:29:23 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (To Err Is Human. To Arr is Pirate. To Unnngh! is Freeper.)
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To: Tazzo

If true, absolutely no good can come from this. Staunch believers will not back away from their beliefs, they will only become enraged. This has the potential to destabalize the world if not treated with extreme caution.

Furthermore, it will further encourage mockery of religion of all stripes in the West.


18 posted on 01/15/2008 8:29:58 AM PST by dinoparty
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To: Tazzo

I always had a funny feeling about Islam......... ;-)


19 posted on 01/15/2008 8:32:40 AM PST by Fox_Mulder77
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To: weegee

Would be consistent.

Of course what will really happen is that this information will remain “occulted”.


20 posted on 01/15/2008 8:33:57 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Tazzo
""Christoph Luxenburg", who sought to prove that incomprehensible passages in the Koran were written in Syriac-Aramaic rather than Arabic. Luxenburg's thesis became notorious for explaining that the "virgins" provided to Islamic jihadis in paradise were only raisins."

Bummer.

21 posted on 01/15/2008 8:34:20 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: Red Badger
...Haj Amin al-Husseini, the mufti of Jerusalem... I am not sure, but I think HE was a relative of Saddam Hussein........

No, but he WAS an uncle to Yassir Arafat.

22 posted on 01/15/2008 8:34:50 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: dinoparty

“If true, absolutely no good can come from this. Staunch believers will not back away from their beliefs, they will only become enraged. This has the potential to destabalize the world if not treated with extreme caution.

Furthermore, it will further encourage mockery of religion of all stripes in the West.”

I’m not the smartest person on this site, but i do believe what you are saying is already happening.


23 posted on 01/15/2008 8:35:20 AM PST by Fox_Mulder77
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To: Tazzo

So Mohammed took this box and put it on the table. He asked the elders to look inside and tell what they saw. No, wait ... that was someone else.


24 posted on 01/15/2008 8:35:47 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: Tazzo

Where does a guy have to go to get occulted around here?


25 posted on 01/15/2008 8:36:10 AM PST by Williams
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To: Fox_Mulder77

True, but I suspect “you ain’t seen nothin yet”.


26 posted on 01/15/2008 8:38:07 AM PST by dinoparty
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To: Tazzo

They’ll just say it’s a lie and continue on.


27 posted on 01/15/2008 8:38:35 AM PST by PurpleMan
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

“””Christoph Luxenburg”, who sought to prove that incomprehensible passages in the Koran were written in Syriac-Aramaic rather than Arabic. Luxenburg’s thesis became notorious for explaining that the “virgins” provided to Islamic jihadis in paradise were only raisins.””

imagine: u blow yourself up and the next thing u see is a sack of raisins roasting over flames.


28 posted on 01/15/2008 8:38:35 AM PST by Fox_Mulder77
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To: Red Badger
I am not sure, but I think HE was a relative of Saddam Hussein........

He was the Uncle of Yassar Arafat, IIRC and also a die hard Nazi. The Brits should have dragged his ass back to Nuremberg after the war and made him pay for his crimes.

29 posted on 01/15/2008 8:38:44 AM PST by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: Tazzo

good background article-

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/199901/koran


30 posted on 01/15/2008 8:42:09 AM PST by Peelod (I do renounce Hillary! and all her pomps and works.)
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To: Tazzo
The Da Vinci Code offered a silly fantasy in which Opus Dei, homicidal monks and twisted billionaires chased after proof that Christianity is a hoax. - while I think that Da Vinci Code was only entertainment, this was not the premise of the book.
31 posted on 01/15/2008 8:42:49 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Obligitory pic follows;


32 posted on 01/15/2008 8:46:10 AM PST by BlueDragon (a handgun is best used for fighting one's way to a RIFLE)
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To: Tazzo
The Koran is as useful as toilet paper! It is a book written by men to suit their selfish and perverted agenda to control weak mindless humans who can’t decipher our Creator’s intrinsic truth. That is to live life in a positive way by understanding all humans are imperfect and therefore strive to be the best we can. That means forgiveness is divine!
33 posted on 01/15/2008 8:46:20 AM PST by 7thOF7th (Righteousness is our cause and justice will prevail!)
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To: joebuck
The Koran is Satan’s bible.

Ya THINK!?!??!?

Here's a hint:

REAL prophets climb mountains to be closer to God,
they don't crawl into holes to listen to the hissings of the Serpent!

34 posted on 01/15/2008 8:47:59 AM PST by null and void (Conservatives are tired of being sucked up to every 4 years and stabbed in the back for the next 3.)
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To: Tazzo
Koran a Hoax?

NO!! More outrage!

35 posted on 01/15/2008 8:48:30 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 ("It may take another Jimmy Carter to get another Ronald Reagan". Rush Limbaugh Jan. 14, 2008)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Luxenburg's thesis became notorious for explaining that the "virgins" provided to Islamic jihadis in paradise were only raisins.

So, those posting the Helen Thomas photo on the Islamic "virgin" threads were actually correct?

36 posted on 01/15/2008 8:48:41 AM PST by Armando Guerra
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To: Tazzo
Luxenburg's thesis became notorious for explaining that the "virgins" provided to Islamic jihadis in paradise were only raisins.

So dying for Mohammed only gets you 72 raisins?

37 posted on 01/15/2008 8:50:34 AM PST by Tribune7 (Dems want to rob from the poor to give to the rich)
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To: Williams

“Where does a guy have to go to get occulted around here?”
____________________________________________________________

Just stand behind Rosey O’Doughnut.


38 posted on 01/15/2008 8:51:53 AM PST by Roccus (..........................FOR RENT......................)
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To: dinoparty
If true, absolutely no good can come from this. Staunch believers will not back away from their beliefs, they will only become enraged. This has the potential to destabalize the world if not treated with extreme caution.

I disagree. The good that can come from this is in setting the liberal academics against the muslim hordes who want to subdue and conquer us. And what are the muzzies really going to do if this upsets them anyway? Destroy some skyscrapers in New York? Behead some infidels? Attack our troops? In case you haven't noticed, THEY are already at war with us. I really don't give a flying damn about what upsets them at this point. I want them to act like civilized people or I want them removed from the earth. That simple. They don't get a pass on having their religion examined the same way they shred ours and anyone else's.

39 posted on 01/15/2008 8:52:06 AM PST by PeterFinn (A muslim in the White House would be an Obamination.)
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To: PeterFinn

After reading the article, I was not impressed, nor is this going to “shake” the moslem world.

If I got it right, they have found some variations in the Koran text over time, whereas moslems believe every detail of the text is from God and beyond debate.

Big woopee doo, if you think this is going to shake the moslem world you don’t know much about religious faith.


40 posted on 01/15/2008 8:55:45 AM PST by Williams
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To: Tazzo
What if scholars can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the Koran was not dictated by the Archangel Gabriel to the Prophet Mohammad during the 7th century, but rather was redacted by later writers drawing on a variety of extant Christian and Jewish sources?

I always thought this was obvious.

Of course the Muslims always worm around the obvious by saying the Christians and the Jews corrupted Allah’s message and the Koran is the perfect message given by the Archangel Gabriel to the Prophet Mohammad.

But some how I think I believe more in a god that sends a message of love rather than a message of hate.

I’ll take the Bible over the Koran any day.

41 posted on 01/15/2008 9:12:08 AM PST by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: Tazzo

bookmark for later read.


42 posted on 01/15/2008 9:14:21 AM PST by randog (What the...?!)
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To: dinoparty

There is a whole school of thought that concludes that the world is facing a true clash of cultures, Islam against all else, anyway. Whose to say that this won’t be the match that touches off the coming conflagration?
The simple fact is that Islam is a cult, and needs to be eradicated. If now is the time...so be it. Lock and Load.


43 posted on 01/15/2008 9:16:46 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion...)
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To: null and void

The Bible teaches us that many will be deceived in the end times. This appears to fit the Biblical description.


44 posted on 01/15/2008 9:18:43 AM PST by DivaDelMar
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To: Harvey105

Ping!


45 posted on 01/15/2008 9:21:35 AM PST by DivaDelMar
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To: Tazzo

Shhhhh! You do not need a library to prove the silly cut and paste of Judaic and Christian sources that became the Quran. All you have to do is sit down and read existing books side by side, after reading a good history of Muhammad.

The elephant in the room.


46 posted on 01/15/2008 9:21:53 AM PST by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: Tazzo

I’m afraid I’m going to have to leave this one alone during office “water-cooler” chatter. ;-)


47 posted on 01/15/2008 9:22:03 AM PST by Allegra (The midget hates it when I do that.)
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To: Tazzo

That is a pretty big hoax. A pretty big cult too.

I have my doubts.

Let’s watch and see anyway. It’ll be fun. Just no cartoons of Muhammad with a bomb on his head.


48 posted on 01/15/2008 9:23:25 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Racism? There are more than a million people in the world that want me dead because I am American!)
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To: All

I really enjoyed the History Channels series on parts of the bible that were purposefully left out because the “scholars” or “rulers” of the time didn’t think they fit well. It is called “Banned from the Bible” and is a great watch, that is if you’re open minded enough to watch such a thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banned_from_the_Bible


49 posted on 01/15/2008 9:23:27 AM PST by Pawtucket Patriot
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To: Tazzo
Could be another pile of quicksand in the test. Mankind has probably been here before and didn’t find the way out and now mankind is here again. The koran is the devil’s handbook, and the devil’s worshipers of islam have been fighting for a lie and continue to do so. Is this the way it is? I would not be surprised.
50 posted on 01/15/2008 9:28:59 AM PST by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk. I Will Be Voting for Mr. Duncan Hunter, fellow FReepers.)
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