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Bridge Collapse Caused By Design Flaw, Not Maintenance
Captain's Quarters ^ | Jan. 15, 2008 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 01/15/2008 10:21:06 AM PST by jdm

The collapse of the St. Anthony Bridge in Minneapolis started with a design flaw in the gusset plates, confirming suspicions that arose in the first week of the investigation. A source familiar with the conclusion told CNN earlier this morning that the NTSB will announce that finding later today, ending speculation that poor maintenance caused the deaths of 13 people last August:

Federal investigators have identified a design flaw as the cause of last year's Interstate 35W Minneapolis bridge collapse that killed 13 people, a congressional official said Tuesday.

The official, who was briefed by the National Transportation Safety Board, said that investigators found a design flaw in the bridge's gusset plates, which are the steel plates that tie steel beams together.

The official spoke on the condition of anonymity so as not to pre-empt an update being provided later Tuesday by the NTSB chairman, Mark V. Rosenker.

The findings are consistent with what the NTSB said about a week after the August 1 collapse, in which the bridge plunged into the Mississippi River.

Within hours of the collapse, some critics here and nationwide pointed to the collapse as the end result of underfunded infrastructure. One local crank blamed the head of the Taxpayers League of Minnesota for turning bridges into deathtraps six hours after the bridge failed. Others demanded a gas-tax increase to bolster the $2.2 billion annual budget for MnDOT, the agency which spends three times more than the budget for public safety every year.

Instead, we find out that the bridge design doomed it from the start. The bridge was built in a post-war period where streamlining and efficiency created a lot of questionable bridge designs; a few years later, architects returned to the more robust pre-war concepts. This collapse showed why that was necessary, and it serves as a warning to those who skimp on redundancy as unnecessarily costly in building infrastructure.

Minnesota has already begun building the replacement bridge, which we hope will be complete by the end of the year. Everyone can learn lessons about this bridge collapse, especially those who attempted to exploit it for their own political agendas.

UPDATE: USA Today has more:

In the wreckage of the I-35W bridge, investigators found 16 gusset plates that were fractured, said one of the officials. Eight of the plates were in the location on the south side of the bridge where the collapse began, according to that official.

The fractures prompted engineers to calculate whether the plates were adequate to hold the bridge together. What they found was that the half-inch thick plates should have been an inch thick — double the size.

And without a redundant support structure, once the first gusset plate fractured, the rest would have failed as the weight of the bridge shifted and generated momentum.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: 35w; bridge; bridgecollapse; collapse; designflaw
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1 posted on 01/15/2008 10:21:07 AM PST by jdm
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To: jdm

between this and declining violence in Iraq, leftists have less and less to be happy about. of course, they can keep pulling for a recession.


2 posted on 01/15/2008 10:24:14 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: jdm

“Others demanded a gas-tax increase to bolster the $2.2 billion annual budget for MnDOT, the agency which spends three times more than the budget for public safety every year.”

Yeah, let’s increase taxes to give more to Leviathan to take care of us. Great idea.

Time to privatize.


3 posted on 01/15/2008 10:24:34 AM PST by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: jdm

This is total BS. It is an attempt to sweep the entire thing under the rug.

It has been long known that the bridges built during the original Interstate building program had flaws. I have no doubt that the bridge (indlucing the gussets) fully met design standards WHEN IT WAS BUILT. Since then we have learned a LOT more and the design standards have changed.

The problem is that there are still a lot of those bridges out there. They need to be replaced, but until there is money to do so, they need to be INSPECTED. This one was inspected regularly (the last time just 6 months or so before it collapsed) and found a mirad of problems. SOMEONE high up in the MNDOT decided to keep the bridge in service in spite of the problems. They are totally ignoring that here.

I only hope that the inevitable lawsuits will allow outside inspection of the documents that they are trying to keep hidden here.


4 posted on 01/15/2008 10:30:59 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: jdm
...once the first gusset plate fractured, the rest would have failed as the weight of the bridge shifted and generated momentum.

Impossible. The 9-11 Truthers and Experts assure me that steel must become molten before it loses its tensile strength and collapses.

</sarcasm>

5 posted on 01/15/2008 10:31:03 AM PST by randog (What the...?!)
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To: jdm

The pigeons are vindicated!

(For those who don’t recall, one of theories proposed by engineers, shortly after the collapse, was that it had been caused by damage to structural components by corrosive pigeon poop.)


6 posted on 01/15/2008 10:44:54 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: jdm

The Liberal prescription for everything is always the same: Raise Taxes.

A bridge falls down, raise taxes. A bridge stays up, raise taxes. It’s warm outside, raise taxes. It’s cold outside, raise taxes. Schools are failing, raise taxes. Schools are doing the job (as if!), raise taxes. The price of gas is down, raise taxes. The price of gas is up, raise taxes...

Whatever it is, we gotta raise taxes!


7 posted on 01/15/2008 10:58:47 AM PST by gridlock (300,000,000 Americans will not be elected President in 2008. Hillary will be one of them.)
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To: jdm

What! No way! Steel doesn’t melt!


8 posted on 01/15/2008 10:59:44 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: jdm
he bridge was built in a post-war period where streamlining and efficiency created a lot of questionable bridge designs; a few years later, architects returned to the more robust pre-war concepts.

The bridge was completed in 1967 ... that's pretty danged "post-war."

9 posted on 01/15/2008 11:03:07 AM PST by r9etb
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To: jdm

I heard the official say that the collapse originated at U-10. Anyone have a photo of the bridge?


10 posted on 01/15/2008 11:03:22 AM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: jdm

Just so everyone understands...

It’s still Bush’s fault!


11 posted on 01/15/2008 11:04:24 AM PST by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: gusopol3

Notice - Bridge Collapses. Can we blame it on Bush?

Yes - page A1, above the fold
No - page D14


12 posted on 01/15/2008 11:04:57 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: jim_trent

They said the calculations were wrong. The error may have been in one of several stages—design, drafting, etc., I can’t remember exactly. The calculations were not reviewed after the point at which the error occured.


13 posted on 01/15/2008 11:05:51 AM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: jim_trent

Yet amazingly, this flawed bridge stood for what? 50yrs?


14 posted on 01/15/2008 11:06:25 AM PST by Adder (hialb)
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To: jdm
So will there be news retractions for all those stories about it being Bush’s fault for spending money on war instead of bridges? Don’t count on it.
15 posted on 01/15/2008 11:07:37 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: Adder

“Yet amazingly, this flawed bridge stood for what? 50yrs?”

So what, Hellary has been standing for 60, but she has a thicker buttress.


16 posted on 01/15/2008 11:13:42 AM PST by Hacklehead (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the hippies.)
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To: jdm; jeffers

Maybe someone could post relevant pics and diagrams that show where U-10 is on the bridge? From here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1884493/posts


17 posted on 01/15/2008 11:13:52 AM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: jim_trent
I think that a small connective part (of member assemblies that did not have corresponding redundancies as we have today) has been found to not be sized properly and the State of Minnestota is pinning its inspection level deficiency excuse on this finding.

It appears that the high level of inspection and maintenance needed for bridges of this era in question will be known to the industry and governmental bodies but be tooooooo tooooo inflamatory to discuss in the public media.

18 posted on 01/15/2008 11:14:40 AM PST by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: Abigail Adams

See post #38 at that link above.


19 posted on 01/15/2008 11:18:56 AM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: jdm

The Engineer attended all pass/fail classes, and was given diversity points.


20 posted on 01/15/2008 11:21:48 AM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: jdm
Often design flaws take years to show up or even decades. When the Silver Bridge collapsed in Gallipolis, Ohio back in the 60's it was caused by a tiny crack in an I-Bar suspender that was there since the bridge was built in the late teens.



Lockheed built a turboprop airliner called the Electra in the late 50's that at the time was one of the most thoroughly tested planes ever built. They flew flawlessly in service for several years until the wings started to tear of several planes in flight killing hundreds. The design flaw was failure to isolate engine vibrations in wing spars. Lockheed fixed the problem and the plane continued to fly successfully. The military variation of the Electra is the P-3 orion and still flies to this day.



Some bridge engineer somewhere is about to lose his license, I'd wager.
21 posted on 01/15/2008 11:32:32 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: jdm

22 posted on 01/15/2008 11:41:10 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Sincerity is everything. If you can fake that, you’ve got it made." Groucho Marx)
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To: jdm


Gusset plate and rust damage (not the St. Anthony Bridge in Minneapolis)

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23 posted on 01/15/2008 11:42:29 AM PST by OESY
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To: Emperor Palpatine
Some bridge engineer somewhere is about to lose his license, I'd wager.

If the bridge was built in 1967, I doubt the head engineer is still alive, much less licensed.

I once read a comment by a science fiction writer that mankind would never set sail to the stars, unless it had a faster than light (FTL) drive. His theory was simple: Without FTL, it will take generations for star ships to got to other planetary systems, and return. Only the government can afford to build such a space ship, and government officials cannot be trusted to oversee a massive construction project, if the government officials know that they will have been dead for a couple of lifetimes before their incompetence, or corruption, is discovered.

24 posted on 01/15/2008 11:47:25 AM PST by Pilsner
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To: randog
steel must become molten before it loses its tensile strength and collapses.

...and as we all know, fire has never melted steel. (R. O'donnell, PhD, Structural Engineering and Donut Consumption)

25 posted on 01/15/2008 11:52:26 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Abigail Adams
They said the calculations were wrong. The error may have been in one of several stages—design, drafting, etc., I can’t remember exactly. The calculations were not reviewed after the point at which the error occured.

That's gonna hurt.

Speaking as a retired design engineer.... 'those kind of things damage engineering careers'.

Question for any structural engineers: Isn't it SOP to load test any new designs?

26 posted on 01/15/2008 11:58:44 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Sincerity is everything. If you can fake that, you’ve got it made." Groucho Marx)
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To: Abigail Adams

27 posted on 01/15/2008 12:00:59 PM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: jdm

Since that bridge collapsed, I’ve seen numerous references to it in columns and letters-to-the-editor, usually - you guessed it - blaming Bush. One of the most recent was a snide reference in a column by Seattle Times columnist Joni Balter, who over the years has morphed from a reasonable liberal into a stinking, lying pig.


28 posted on 01/15/2008 12:11:29 PM PST by Steve_Seattle (|)
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To: B4Ranch

Thanks! Looks like U-10 is on the south side of the bridge, near Pier 6 and over the water.

I wonder where the construction equipment and material was located at the time?


29 posted on 01/15/2008 12:15:59 PM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: jdm
Identifying the problem as a design flaw instead of negligent maintenance is going to pull all the justification for tax increases for more maintenance. The lefties are going to get very shrill if they can't raise taxes.
30 posted on 01/15/2008 12:16:54 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

They don’t know in which stage of design the error occurred. It is hard to believe these calculations aren’t checked and rechecked a few times along the way.


31 posted on 01/15/2008 12:18:19 PM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: Adder
Yet amazingly, this flawed bridge stood for what? 50yrs?

It stood for 40 years. It was designed to last 50 years, but that was with four lanes of traffic. Not the eight lanes that it carried since the four shoulders were converted to traffic lanes in 1988.

32 posted on 01/15/2008 12:29:44 PM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: jim_trent
This is total BS. It is an attempt to sweep the entire thing under the rug.

It has been long known that the bridges built during the original Interstate building program had flaws. I have no doubt that the bridge (indlucing the gussets) fully met design standards WHEN IT WAS BUILT. Since then we have learned a LOT more and the design standards have changed.

I tend to agree with you. In 1988, when the four shoulders were converted to traffic lanes, all calculations concerning the structural integrity of the bridge should have been done again. Why was this "design flaw" not spotted then?

33 posted on 01/15/2008 1:12:56 PM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: Abigail Adams
I wonder where the construction equipment and material as located at the time?

Iraq? (/obvious (I hope)sarcasm)

34 posted on 01/15/2008 1:24:29 PM PST by webheart
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To: jdm

....architects returned to the more robust pre-war concepts....

If he can’t distinguish between an architect and a structural engineer one wonders if he knows the difference between his ass and a hole in the ground?


35 posted on 01/15/2008 1:27:44 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Moveon is not us...... Moveon is the enemy)
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To: Between the Lines

1988?? Well then, its George H.W. Bush’s fault!


36 posted on 01/15/2008 1:32:13 PM PST by Tatze (I'm in a state of taglinelessness!)
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To: Between the Lines

Excellent point!


37 posted on 01/15/2008 1:40:42 PM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: Abigail Adams
I found this in another article:

Transportation Secretary Mary Peters was expected to issue an advisory urging states to check the gusset plates when modifications are made to a bridge — such as changes to the weight of the bridge or adding a guardrail, said a federal official with knowledge of the plans.

Currently, such calculations are done for the entire bridge, but not down to the gusset plates, the official said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322849,00.html

Now we know where the weakest link is.

38 posted on 01/15/2008 1:55:47 PM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: Between the Lines

Interesting article here, in hindsight:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2007/08/04/2007-08-04_hey_dont_blame_me_for_collapse.html

Snip:

The inspector who signed off on Minneapolis’ Interstate 35W bridge almost every year since 1994 refused to accept blame yesterday [August 3, 2007] for the collapse that killed at least five people.

“Go after the designer. Go ask him why he did what he did,” Kurt Fhurman angrily told the Daily News at his home. “Go after the designer.”


39 posted on 01/15/2008 4:54:50 PM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: jim_trent

Yup. Throw the original engineer under the bus, despite the fact that if the folks, including the latest engineers to approve the ongoing renovations, knew the thickness of everything and still went ahead and put large uneven loads on the structure.

Going to be a whole lot of arguing about these points for a long time.


40 posted on 01/15/2008 5:22:08 PM PST by festus (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Abigail Adams

I just don’t believe this conclusion. It is too convenient. It lets everyone alive off the hook. I have gone through a number of AISC code revisions. EVERY one of them increased the thicknesses (and/or lowered the allowable stress) when compared to the previous one at least somewhere in the code. Over 40 years, they add up to quite a difference.

So if they were comparing the as-built sizes with the current code, they are guaranteed to find a “flaw” in the design. In addition, the number of lanes was increased at sometime between the original building and the collapse. That was bound to increase loads. Who approved that decision? Again, checking calculations with the current number of lanes is guaranteed to find a flaw.

In addition, the inspection report showed that there were NUMEROUS cracks in those very gusset plates and many of them were only half the original thickness because of serious corrosion. That was all noted in the reports — and ignored. If they intend to ignore reports, why bother even having them.

This is a whitewash. A coverup.


41 posted on 01/15/2008 6:46:24 PM PST by jim_trent
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To: festus

In the report it states that the gusset plates should be stronger than the connected beams. Therefore, when bridges are reanalyzed it is standard practice to assume they are and not reanalyze the gussets.

Also, not unusual for an structural design problem to remain hidden for years before failure. The plant I work at had an original design error that let lose after being in service 35 years.


42 posted on 01/15/2008 6:49:25 PM PST by Dewey1960 (Not a structural engineer - but I know some.)
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To: jim_trent

From the article above:

The bridge, built in 1967, was designed by Sverdrup & Parcel, a prominent firm that also designed Busch Stadium in St. Louis, the Superdome in New Orleans and the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel.

The founder of the firm, Leif Sverdrup, is dead. The company is part of Jacobs Engineering Group in Pasadena, Calif., which did not return calls.

And from wikipedia:

Sverdrup & Parcel was an American civil engineering company formed in 1928 by Leif J. Sverdrup and his college engineering professor John I. Parcel. The company worked primarily in a specialty field of bridges. Many of the company’s projects were located in the St. Louis, Missouri area near the company’s headquarters.

So one of the founders is dead, but that doesn’t mean that the particular engineer who designed the bridge is not still with us.


43 posted on 01/15/2008 7:42:04 PM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: Dewey1960

This graphic shows where the construction equipment was located, in the blue box. It appears to be in the area of the U-10 failure. (South side is on the left of the graphic.)

http://www.startribune.com/newsgraphics/13820902.html


44 posted on 01/15/2008 7:58:02 PM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: Abigail Adams; Spktyr; Ramtek57; fatima; Attention Surplus Disorder; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; Ramius; ...
Not long after my last post on this subject, I located the failure point, the U10 East Truss gusset, in the post collapse imagery, ran analysis on both post collapse and precollapse imagery of that gusset, and satisfied myself as to the cause and nature of the collapse.

I did not post this additional analysis at that time, for three reasons:

1. The results did not change my original conclusion, that the U10 East Truss gusset fractured as a very early, and probably the prime trigger for the full collapse.

2. The additional analysis was technical in nature, probably not of interest to non-engineers.

3. Other things were going on at the time, demanding my attention.

This post is a shortened version of what I would have posted then, if time had allowed and there had been strong reason to do so.

Here is a pre-collapse image of the I-35 bridge, looking southwest, with the U-10 East Truss gusset plainly marked:



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Here is a tighter zoom of the above image, showing discoloration on the U10 East Truss gusset, with other critical points labeled for reference:



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Here is an extreme zoom of the above images, isolating the U10 East Truss gusset, in comparison with a similar gusset which is in better condition and showing more detail:



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Given before and after imagery, I decided to reconstruct the U10 East Truss gusset, as seen in the post collapse imagery, for analysis purposes. The following image gives an idea of the method I used to determine scale:



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By taking two distances visible in both pre- and post collapse imagery, distances AB and CD in both panes, and comparing them to distances only visible in pre-collapse imagery, I was able to approximate the U10 East Truss gusset for size, orientation and scale, and flatten it back out, in the post collapse imagery, so we have a better idea exactly where the fracture took place, and can speculate as to cause:



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In the above image, right pane, the U10 gusset is outlined in red, the original structural members connected by U10 are marked in green, the pre-collapse discoloration of the U10 gusset is marked in yellow, the post collapse fracture line is marked in blue, and the post collapse fracture/folding of U10 is marked in violet.

The image below shows a wider view, including the reconstructed U10 gusset, with several interesting points labelled:



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At left center, the U9-U10 topchord shows a longitudinal scar, marked with the arrows emanating from the numeral 1. In my opinion, this probably indicates that the U9-U10 topchord slid out from under a considerable gravity load during early failure. In other words, the road deck did not fail precisely at the U10 gusset, it broke further south, and a big piece of road deck scarred the U9-U10 top chord on the way down.

The green arrow shows how the two pieces fit together before the collapse, and the red arrow shows a piece of the U10 gusset still attached to the U9-U10 topchord. Under extreme magnification, the U10 gusset fragment still attached to the U9-U10 topchord shows the same discoloration noted previously.

Additionally, the above image reveals another interesting observation. Scrapes and discoloration on the collapsed L9-U10 diagonal clearly match the deck concrete, as indicated by the arrows emanating from the numeral 2. The L9-U10 diagonal came to rest upside down after the collpase, and the radial nature of these scrapes is clearly apparant.

Either an explosive fracture of the bridge deck took place in close proximity to this member, or else this member was subject to a prolonged shower of fractured concrete debris as it fell, and the scuff marks, and therefore the fall line of the concrete, changed dynamically with respect to time. Put simply, the L9-U10 diagonal was scuffed by falling concrete and the steel beam was rotating about its L9 gusset as it collapsed.

Since the scar on the topchord is, in my opinion, too pronounced to have been caused by a small chunk of falling road deck, then they were more likely to have been caused by a significant piece of road deck, probably still attached to the U10-U11 section of top chord. That tends to rule out an explosive concrete fracture in close proximity to the L9-U10 diagonal, making the L9-U10 rotation about the L9 gusset as it fell the more likely explanation.

This is important, in my opinion, because it essentially negates any other logical trigger point for the main span collapse. If the U10 gusset had fractured late in the collapse sequence, we would not see this kind of scarring. If this section of the main span fell as a unit, the scuffing on the L9-U10 diagonal would be in parallel lines, not the radial pattern we actually see.

There is further evidence for this. An end on telephoto view of the West Truss L7-L8 bottom chord shows a...considerable...longitudinal deflection. This massive member is curved about one foot. After the East Truss failed and began to collapse, the West Truss was left supporting the entire main span. This overloaded the West Truss to the point where the bottom chord curved downward, and to the point where the West Truss L9 gusset didn't simply fracture, it shattered like a piece of glass, as indicated by the arrows emanating from the numeral 3 in the image above.

As I said before, I am 100% satisfied as to the collapse sequence of the main span, and that the U10 East Truss gusset was the trigger for mainspan collapse. Note, I do NOT say that the East Truss U10 gusset fracture failed the I-35 bridge, I say it failed the I-35 mainspan. It is still mathematically possible a short section of deck well south of the river fell first, and the jarring vibrations from that pushed U10 over the edge, but I have no reasonable doubt any longer that the East Truss U10 gusset triggered mainspan failure.

It is therefore highly interesting to note that a University of Minnesota study explicitly focused on the U10 and corresponding gussets in 2001. The full report of this study can be read here:

http://www.dot.state.mn.us/i35wbridge/pdfs/umn-study-fatigue-evaluation-br9340.pdf

The study concluded that no normal traffic load would exceed bridge design standards, not by theoretical mathematics, but by actually measuring the strain, under real traffic loads, at the precise gusset which triggered mainspan collapse.

Going back to the above image, it is clear to me that the discoloration of the U10 East Truss gusset indicated it was not painted, or the paint flaked off, after the bridge was assembled. The U10 gusset discoloration exactly matches, per Photoshop color balance analysis, the preassembly paint now exposed on the L9-U10 bottom chord, where the U10 gusset was torn away. You can't pint under a gusset after the bridge is assembled, and for reasons unknown, part of the U10 gusset's coloration matches unpainted steel under the gusset.

In summary, the U10 gusset fractured under load, and triggered mainspan collapse. The U10 gusset had strain gauges attached to it in a 2001 scientific test, and was pronounced to exceed the requirements to support any reasonable traffic load that was placed on it. The U10 gusset was, for reasons never explained or even discussed, never painted since the bridge was assembled, or subjected to such extreme conditions that all successive layers of paint flaked off. The fracture lines of the U10 gusset nearly or precisely match the discoloration.

Unfortunately, science is a lot easier to predict and analyze than politics. I can't say why the East Truss U10 gusset was never painted or lost most of its paint. I can't approximate why this was not discussed in any of the bridge inspection reports for the last 10 years. All I can say is that U10 is where the mainspan failed, U10 looked different than any other gusset visible in pre-collapse imagery, and the U10 had been studied, closely, and recently.

If I had to speculate...well, this image, of a similar gusset elsewhere on the bridge, is probably where my speculation would begin:



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Not hard to imagine an L shaped fracture along those rust lines, and rivet lines, is it?

Which brings us to this question...

Why are the inspection reports word for word identical, even though they were conducted two years apart, over decades?

If the reports were cut and pasted, were the inspections themselves actually conducted? If the inspections were conducted, why didn't any inspectors ever comment on the obvious and unique coloration of the gusset which failed the bridge? The discoloration that precisely foretold the fracture line?

If any of our Minnesota Free Republic brothers and sisters can point a good Conservative newspaper to this post, perhaps they can ask these same questions publicly, and get answers, before any other skeletons come out of the closet by surprise, and kill some more bridge crossers.
45 posted on 01/16/2008 9:35:07 AM PST by jeffers
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To: jeffers

Wow.... Makes me want to take a very close look at my bridges.
http://nogitolls.com/PicturesoftheSouthGrandIslandBridges.html


46 posted on 01/16/2008 9:45:30 AM PST by The Mayor ( A man's heart plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps.—Proverbs 16:9)
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To: jeffers
Most of that is over my head, but I know what this means:

Why are the inspection reports word for word identical, even though they were conducted two years apart, over decades?

47 posted on 01/16/2008 9:51:32 AM PST by Petronski (Jeri Thompson is smarter than Mike Huckabee.)
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To: jeffers

Thanks for the updated info and analysis.

At the time, I never had any question that the collapse was due to massive structural/design failure. Not being an engineer, and having never built a bridge, I could only speculate on what the exact cause was, but you have done a wonderful job explaining it.

At the time I remember that there were quite a few people around here who were bound and determined to call this an act of terrorism; while still tragic, I am happy that they were proven incorrect.


48 posted on 01/16/2008 9:52:31 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Adder
The idea is that a structure stands for its rated life, during which time it is periodically imspected and maintained. After its rated life it is reevaluated to see if its life can be extended.

The whole idea is that a properly maintained structure, within its rated life, has a very small probability of catastrophic failure.

That it failed indicates that it either was not maintained properly or it was poorly designed.

Still Going Strong 124 Years On

49 posted on 01/16/2008 9:56:34 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Being an idealist excuses nothing. Hitler was an idealist.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Optical illusion, or are those pretty danged short wings on that bird?


50 posted on 01/16/2008 10:06:51 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (We've checked, and all your zeroes are OK. We're still working on your ones.)
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