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Giuliani isn't swaying them in Florida
LA Times ^ | 01/15/08 | Louise Roug

Posted on 01/15/2008 9:12:08 PM PST by advance_copy

For an hour Monday, Rudolph W. Giuliani passionately made his case to voters seated in the Shell Point retirement community chapel.

He talked of tax cuts and terrorist attacks, of building up the military and cracking down on illegal immigration.

But in the end, he didn't seem to close the deal.

Dozens of the more than 1,000 who attended the town hall event took off before Giuliani finished his speech, leaving rows of seats empty.

"I didn't hear anything I hadn't heard before," said Barbara Vitello, 71. "It's the first time ever I'm going into the [presidential] election not knowing who I'll vote for," she said.

Her 79-year-old husband, Joe, agreed.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; giuliani; giulianitruthfile; gungrabber; itsoverrudy; liberal; rino; stickaforkinit
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And Giuliani only got 3% tonight in Michigan. He finished behind Ron Paul.
1 posted on 01/15/2008 9:12:09 PM PST by advance_copy
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To: advance_copy

Boy, he’s sounding truly pathetic.


2 posted on 01/15/2008 9:13:35 PM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: advance_copy

Boy, he’s sounding truly pathetic.


3 posted on 01/15/2008 9:13:35 PM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: advance_copy

Niters Ruti.


4 posted on 01/15/2008 9:17:41 PM PST by doc1019 (Rabbit and the Hare Fred 08)
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To: advance_copy

There’s a real opening for Fred in Florida if he cinches South Carolina.


5 posted on 01/15/2008 9:19:53 PM PST by counterpunch (GOP Convention '08 Go For Brokered!)
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To: advance_copy

Rudy is the biggest flop since Ryan Leaf.

6 posted on 01/15/2008 9:20:58 PM PST by yellowhammer ( Mitt Romney '08)
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To: advance_copy

Probably because his supporters voted for Romney to stop McCain.


7 posted on 01/15/2008 9:21:16 PM PST by Ooh-Ah
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To: advance_copy

Back to Nu Yerk Rudi.


8 posted on 01/15/2008 9:22:43 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: advance_copy

There’s still plenty of time for Romney to pull off an upset.


9 posted on 01/15/2008 9:23:25 PM PST by Romneyfor President2008
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I kind of miss the dear old days of Rudy bashing....:(


10 posted on 01/15/2008 9:24:36 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Fred will crush the beast and send her back through the gates of hell.)
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To: advance_copy

Rudy is not on a roll.


11 posted on 01/15/2008 9:25:14 PM PST by beaversmom
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I kind of miss the dear old days of Rudy bashing....:(

LOL I wonder what they even talk about over at WideAwakes--given Rudy's 'Howard Deanesque' total collapse in the national polls?? (no scream even required)

12 posted on 01/15/2008 9:29:15 PM PST by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: advance_copy

I don’t trust the L.A. Times’ facts, let alone their opinion pieces disguised as news pieces.


13 posted on 01/15/2008 9:40:28 PM PST by Moral Hazard (Fred Thompson/Joe Don Baker in 08, because America needs bald, beefy character actors!)
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I will say I told you so when republicans lose badly in November because they don’t nominate Rudy,Conservative are signing their own death certificate,Rush is right,the conservative movement will die.I know I will get alot of negative responses but some conservatives, like Rush stated, have tunnel vision and it will kill the movement.Conservative will be nothing but a joke to the liberals.
14 posted on 01/15/2008 9:53:57 PM PST by patriciamary (9)
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“Culture of life:

ABC clip:

George Will: “Do you think Roe v Wade was good constitutional law?”

Rudy Giuliani: “Yes I believe, I believe it is.”

Cnn Clip:

Announcer: “Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports.”

Rudy Giuliani : “No, I have not supported that, and I don’t see my position on that changing.”

Immigration

CNN clip:

Announcer: “Back in 1996, mayor Giuliani went to federal court to challenge new federal laws requiring the city to inform the federal government about illegal immigrants.”

Rudy Giuliani: “There isn’t a mayor or a public official in this country that’s more strongly pro immigrant than I am. Including disagreeing with President Clinton when he signed an anti-immigration legislation about two or three years ago.”

Gun control:

CNN clip

Rudy Giuliani: “I’m in favor of gun control”

Meet The Press:

Tim Russert: “How about registration of all handguns?”

Rudy Giuliani: “You know I’m in favor of that. I’ve been on your show many times.”

Gay Rights:

CNN Clip:

Announcer: “As mayor he supported civil unions, and extending health and other benefits to gay couples.”

ABC Clip: “I supported domestic partnership legislation and signed it”

Meet The Press:

Tim Russert: “So should gay people be openly allowed to serve?”

“I think people should be judged on the merits. And there should not be a specific focus on someone’s sexual orientation.”

First Amendment:

ABC Clip

Cokie Roberts: “Would you vote in the senate in favor of Mccain / Feingold?”

Rudy Giuliani: “Yes, I’m a big supporter of Mccain / Feingold. I have been for a long time.”

Party Loyalty:

ABC Clip:

Rudy Giuliani: “Frankly George, I’d like to run on all the lines. I’d like to run on the liberal line, the conservative line, I’d like to run on the democratic line if I could figure out how to do it.”

Conservative Values:

Meet The Press:

Tim Russert: “Whether it’s gays in the military, gun control, campaign finance, late term abortion - you and Hillary Clinton are in sync on those issues.”

Rudy Giuliani: “Well then maybe the other side should stop the ‘He’s part of the vast right wing conspiracy’.”

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CNN clip:

Announcer: “Back in 1996, mayor Giuliani went to federal court to challenge new federal laws requiring the city to inform the federal government about illegal immigrants.”

Rudy Giuliani: “There isn’t a mayor or a public official in this country that’s more strongly pro immigrant than I am. Including disagreeing with President Clinton when he signed an anti-immigration legislation about two or three years ago.”’

See Rudy for yourself on YouTube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM


15 posted on 01/15/2008 9:56:05 PM PST by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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And Giuliani only got 3% tonight in Michigan. He finished behind Ron Paul.

Yea, so did Fred, with 4%. Pathetic.

16 posted on 01/15/2008 9:58:56 PM PST by Huck (Ok, I'll sneak in a few posts here and there and try to stay out of trouble.)
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To: patriciamary

I doubt Rush wants Rudy to win.

Rudy causes huge heartburn to prolifers. In some ways, he’s a flawed candidate just like Huckabee is, just like McCain is. They have some good positions, but they also have things that just go too far against what the Reagan coalition stands for.

We can keep the coalition together, but only if we stick to either Romney or Thompson. Rudy, McCain and Huckabee are too much at odds with the party on key issues.


17 posted on 01/15/2008 10:06:48 PM PST by WOSG (Proamnesty-antiBushtaxcuts-proCO2caps-CFR-RINO John McCain delenda est!)
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To: advance_copy

Everyone kept saying he was the only one who could beat Hillary - maybe he should have run as a Democrat.


18 posted on 01/15/2008 10:16:16 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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Assuming, arguendo, Rudy is the nominee, the question becomes do the moderate Republicans and conservative Democrats he attracts at the margin outweigh the Conservative Republicans he blows away? I do not know the answer to that now, but that’s the problem with Rudy.


19 posted on 01/15/2008 10:47:57 PM PST by Wally_Kalbacken (Seldom right but never in doubt)
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So we have to nominate the most non-conservative candidate in the race to save the conservative movement.

Yea, that’s the ticket!


20 posted on 01/15/2008 10:53:19 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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