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Encouraging Prospects (BoSox farm system ranked #2 behind Tampa)
The Boston Globe ^ | January 16, 2007 | Nick Cafardo

Posted on 01/16/2008 10:05:04 AM PST by Lovebloggers

When you looked out at the football field in the indoor bubble at Boston College's Alumni Stadium yesterday, you saw the reason why many Red Sox fans don't want to make the Johan Santana trade.

related content gallery Photos from Tuesday's workout Sox prospects learn to deal with trade rumors more stories like thisYou saw a confident, personable, Derek Lowe-like Justin Masterson and shortstop-of-the-future Jed Lowrie, both of whom have been mentioned in a possible trade for Santana. You saw a bulked-up, maturing Clay Buchholz, who may be the Red Sox' lone untouchable, though he may not even break camp with them, given the depth of their rotation.

The talent on the field - invited guests to the Red Sox' annual rookie development program - was a testament to how far the system has come. Baseball America, the bible of minor league baseball, ranks the Red Sox farm system second overall (Tampa Bay is first). But farm director Mike Hazen isn't getting carried away.

"We don't put too much stock in those things," Hazen said. "We know our job is to continue to push forward and help each guy maximize his potential."

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


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1 posted on 01/16/2008 10:05:05 AM PST by Lovebloggers
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To: Lovebloggers

Nope, NYY have the finest farm system in baseball. They went from nothing (using young talent as bait for established free agent stars) to in tense development and are sitting pretty. Look at their team today and you will see about 75% of their talent is home grown. There young pitchers are the best in baseball and I exclude nobody here.

Besides, NE teams cheat. Both the SAWX and the Pats have been caught cheating and when you do and the other guy doesn’t, you sort of have an edge.


2 posted on 01/16/2008 10:10:06 AM PST by aroundabout
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To: aroundabout
Besides, NE teams cheat

Another whiner from NY - - boo freakin' hoo!
3 posted on 01/16/2008 10:12:39 AM PST by Beckwith (Dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: aroundabout

BAHAHAHAHA.

Nice try, but no. Enjoy watching the Sox on their road of excellence for the next decade at least.


4 posted on 01/16/2008 10:14:16 AM PST by Lovebloggers
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To: Lovebloggers

I love the Sox. I’m not a homer come lately fan cause I use to live in NH and rooted for them when they sucked. It’s nice to see them investing in their farm system. I remember the Duquette years, and that was pathetic they way they raped and pillaged their farm system in the fashion of Genghis Khan.


5 posted on 01/16/2008 10:14:37 AM PST by Reagan79 (Ralph Stanley & The Clinch Mountain Boys)
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To: aroundabout

Also note, Jeter’s cheaters fans pointing the finger on cheating.

How many juicers in the Yankee mix?


6 posted on 01/16/2008 10:15:49 AM PST by Lovebloggers
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To: aroundabout
Nope, NYY have the finest farm system in baseball.

Agreed. They're called the "Minnesota Twins"

7 posted on 01/16/2008 10:17:55 AM PST by kidd
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To: aroundabout
Besides, NE teams cheat. Both the SAWX and the Pats have been caught cheating and when you do and the other guy doesn’t, you sort of have an edge.

Shall we call the Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-mbulance now? Give me a break "the other guy doesn't". Did you ever stop to think why Eric Linguine was about the only coach crying over the Pats "spying" incident? I think it has to do with a biblical saying about throwing stones and sin.

Doesn't necessarily make it right, but don't go throwing this holier-than-thou attitude around.

8 posted on 01/16/2008 10:26:18 AM PST by ssaftler (Which Al is more deadly: Al Qaeda or Al Gore?)
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To: aroundabout
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9 posted on 01/16/2008 10:28:28 AM PST by Boston Blackie
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To: aroundabout
The Sox cheat? Yeah....right. Every single team in professional baseball and football tries to steal signals. Always have. Got a guy on 2nd base and less than two outs? Why do you think the catcher goes through three sets of signs? Look at the sidelines during any pro football game. There are scouts down there with binoculars and believe me, they are not just looking to see if their new tight end is blocking effectively on running plays. Other teams, including the Jets have been observed doing the same thing they accused the Pats of doing, only they were quicker to ditch the evidence.

And then there are the Spankees, the O-for-the-Century Spankees who have employed the world's largest collection of overpaid, muscle-bound, bulked-up-by-pharmaceutical underachievers in baseball history. Except, of course for a certain overpaid blue lipped ball-slapper who tears up the league during the season and shrivels up like a falling leaf in October.

10 posted on 01/16/2008 10:31:00 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Kill the terrorists, secure the borders, and give me back my freedom.)
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To: aroundabout

As long as your state has gay marriage you’ll never be taken seiously.


11 posted on 01/16/2008 10:38:11 AM PST by AbeKrieger (There is a special place in Hell for Lyndon Johnson.)
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To: aroundabout

I like in New York but can’t stand the Yankees. Their fans are all remind me of Billy Martin: egotistical crybabies with a grotesque sense of entitlement.


12 posted on 01/16/2008 10:39:34 AM PST by RedRover (Go Sox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Lovebloggers

Now, does anyone want to know what REALLY happened to these farm systems and get beyond the “Yankees Suck”/”Boston Sucks” mindless mentality?

Both the Boston Red Sox AND the New York Yankees have significantly improved their farm systems over the last several, in large measure because each team has successfully exploited huge loopholes in the Collective Bargaining Agreement pertaining to Type A/Type B free agent compensation.

Both teams stockpiled early round picks between 2004 and 2007 by dropping free agents and changing them out. They ended up with 4 to 5 picks in the top 50 or so each year. Then, combine more whacks at the pinata with their financial resources that allow them to scarf up the otherwise high 1st round talents that dropped in the draft due to signability concerns.

Bingo, you have a future frontline of Phillip Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Ian Kennedy, and Andrew Blackman about to take over. Or if you are Boston, you’re looking at Jacoby Ellsbury, Dustin Pedroia, Clay Buchholz, Jed Lowrie, Michael Bowden, and Justin Masterson.

This is no accident, IMO. It sets up the next generations of Yankees vs. Red Sox, and that rivalry is what has carried the game at the MLB for decades.


13 posted on 01/16/2008 10:55:28 AM PST by soxfan
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To: aroundabout
Gimme a break......


14 posted on 01/16/2008 11:11:05 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (1/27 Wolfhounds...cut in half during the Clinton years.)
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To: Beckwith

I never cry, I’ll leave that to the NE fans. I lived there for a lot of years and witnessed this first hand.

But that said it is also a fact the Pats and the SAWX have been caught cheating. The Pats everyone knows about and the SAWX were nailed with TV monitors in their bullpen. It would have been OK except they never put them in or offered them to the opposing team. The monitors allowed their pitchers to see how various hitters on the opposing team reacted certain pitches. It gave them a decided advantage if and when they were called into the game.


15 posted on 01/16/2008 11:16:37 AM PST by aroundabout
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To: Lovebloggers

Yeah buddy, having a farm system has really helped propel those feared Tampa Bay Devil Rays to the forefront of baseball now haven’t they?


16 posted on 01/16/2008 11:45:31 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Lovebloggers

Ain’t just the Yankees pal, seems they all were doing the stuff.
NOt meaning to stand up for the N.Y. team, just know that many many were and probably still are to stay in the high salary game.


17 posted on 01/16/2008 11:47:30 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Lovebloggers
"Nice try, but no. Enjoy watching the Sox on their road of excellence for the next decade at least."

Here's why I am right. Schilling has one year if that remaining. Beckett is a truly great pitcher and I cannot take anything away from him. After that they have the knuckle baller who at best is erratic but has the benefit of being able to pitch almost everyday due to the almost total lack of wear and tear on his arm from throwing the floater. After that it gets a bit dicey for the sox as far as starters. In the bull pen they have Papelbon, who was supposed to be a starter but developed arm trouble and was made a closer and a sparsely used one at that due to concerns about how he will hold up under extreme use say like NYY closer Mariano Riviera has. The word is he is a pitch away from mediocrity.

Now the hitting. The strength of the SAWX is unarguably Popi and Ramires in the 3-4 slot. Popi hits a ton, no doubt, but why is that? Aficionados of the game can easily see that with Ramirez behind popi, no one wants to pitch around him and face Ramirez with a man on. Consequently he gets some good pitches to hit and hit them he does.

Here's the problem. It's no secret Manny wants out of Boston and he will be gone, maybe this year maybe next but when he goes the fear of pitching around popi leaves with him and unless the SAWX cam find someone with the power and ability of big popi the line up becomes very, very ordinary.

Last year was a bad one for NY because of the pitching injuries they had the entire first half of the year. They fell 13 games back by the end of May but even then the managed to be the best offensive club by far in the AL in BA, Total Bases, Hits, Runs, all across the board they took the top ranking. Defensively the SAWX had a fielding pct of .986 vs the Yankees .985, not enough here to matter.

The very important positions of second base and short stop where the NYY have Jeter and Cano, among the best in the game. Both are young and their dynamite play makes this "up the middle" combo a sure thing for the foreseeable future.

The NYY are lethal 1-9 in their line up while the SAWX are pretty much done once you get past the #5 hitter. In the end the entire future of the RS rests on Manny Ramirez batting behind BIG POPPI and Papelbon not stepping off correctly and finishing his promising career with the loud pop of ligaments tearing away from bone and muscle.

18 posted on 01/16/2008 11:47:45 AM PST by aroundabout
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To: Lovebloggers

Giambi I think admitted a year or so ago to using something and also Pettit. But you may correct me but i don’t think when Growth hormone was used by Pettit to help him recover from an injury, it was not illegal to do so.

In any case that’s really not the same as team management conspiring to win by stealing intel from the other team illegally.


19 posted on 01/16/2008 11:50:51 AM PST by aroundabout
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To: ssaftler
Give me a break "the other guy doesn't".

Using this as an excuse is about as weak as it gets. It is downright Liberal

Did you ever stop to think why Eric Linguine was about the only coach crying over the Pats "spying" incident? I think it has to do with a biblical saying about throwing stones and sin.

LOL, WHAT!! The only coach? The entire Eagles team was pointing to play after play when they played the Pats where the Pats knew EXACTLY where the ball was going. and the Eagles weren't alone. The fine was $750,000, that alone speaks to the severity of the offense and to make it worse it wasn't even the first time they were nailed doing this. Now if you can show me an instance where the Jets engaged in similar tactics, I'll listen.

Meantime the great year enjoyed by the Pats this season will always be under a cloud and along with their accomplishments will be mentioned the phrase, "yeah, but did they come by their success legitimately?"

20 posted on 01/16/2008 11:57:42 AM PST by aroundabout
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To: andy58-in-nh

You are ranting. Stealing the catchers signals from second base is part of the game. Installing a TV set in your own bull pen is not.

And you are delirious if you believe attacking the Yankees record will fly except with the brainless SAWX fans. The NYY have won 27, that’s TWENTY SEVEN WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHOPS. How many have the SAWX won? LOL, they’ve won twice in 3 years, fine but the Yankees have won as many as FIVE IN A ROW and 3 in a row twice. The SAWX have about a hundred years of success to go before they can even carry a Yankee jock strap.


21 posted on 01/16/2008 12:02:20 PM PST by aroundabout
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To: aroundabout

BC is renting the football field out to the Sox and they’re jacking up the parking for football games plus the extrotion for the Flynn Fund?


22 posted on 01/16/2008 12:28:03 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: aroundabout
Nope, NYY have the finest farm system in baseball. They went from nothing (using young talent as bait for established free agent stars) to in tense development and are sitting pretty. Look at their team today and you will see about 75% of their talent is home grown.

Yeah, and it's so great you lose in the first round of the playoffs despite having the highest payroll in professional baseball.


23 posted on 01/16/2008 12:28:49 PM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: aroundabout
First, I'm always amused by Spankee fans who get upset when Sox fans call them out when they continue to defend their team's irredeemable arrogance. Second, the TV in the bullpen "controversy" (and I use that term loosely) occurred more than four years ago, and was determined to be notthing. Hell, Grady Little even offered to put a set in the vistor's pen as well. No matter, though.

Funny how $200 million can't buy what it used to back in the old days. But then, money has never been an adequate substitute for talent evaluation, as the two dim-witted Sons of Steinbrenner can't quite seem to grasp. The Sox have a farm system stocked with talent that the Yankees would kill for. Last century was last century: it's gone, old and faded as the pennants waving over the soon-to-be-demolished Bronx monument to excess (soon to be replaced by an even bigger model, paid for in true New York style, largely at taxpayer expense).

The Red Sox are loaded to the gills with talent (not steroids) and will compete effectively for years to come. After years of poor management, they've got a team of executives who actually care about winning - and who have now done so repeatedly. Even during the "bad old days", we had Carl Yastrzemski, Johnny Pesky, Bobby Doerr - not to mention the single greatest hitter who ever lived - Ted Williams.

24 posted on 01/16/2008 12:31:14 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (Kill the terrorists, secure the borders, and give me back my freedom.)
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To: AbeKrieger
As long as your state has gay marriage you’ll never be taken seiously.

Misspells the chucklehead from Joisie.

25 posted on 01/16/2008 12:33:07 PM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: AbeKrieger
It’s not MY STATE at all. I moved to the Cape for 12 years and when the the 2 old broads up the street got married I packed my bags and hit the road.

The State is a moral swamp. Have You ever been to Provincetown in the summer?

FUHGEDDEDABOUDIT!!!!

26 posted on 01/16/2008 12:35:32 PM PST by aroundabout
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To: RedRover

You are not a New Yorker, for sure, but you sound exactly like a New england sports fanatic.


27 posted on 01/16/2008 12:36:54 PM PST by aroundabout
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To: andy58-in-nh

Typical blow hard sox fan. You’ll be eating your words soon enough. here’s a fact. Manny Ramirez goes and your team finishes no higher then 4th. Without the production of both of them the sox are mediocre at best. And if either one goes the other is pitched around and you guys are done.

When you guys can compile a won lost record and the number of Championships even CLOSE to the Yankess then come back and maybe you’ll get some respect. Until then it wasn’t me that invented the term MASSHOLE but it’s telling that no matter where you go they know exactly what it means.

Finally it WAS a big deal when the SAWX put a a TV in their own BP because it WAS ILLEGAL. Had the DAWX offered to do the same for the visitor it would have been fine, but they didn’t. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know why they didn’t.


28 posted on 01/16/2008 12:46:19 PM PST by aroundabout
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To: aroundabout; Hemingway's Ghost

I do agree the Yankees suck, but GO PHILLIES.

I know how many years it’s been, yah yah yah I can take the heat. Damnit to hell, you can have one dynasty team, now it looks like you may have 3. Who’s gonna stock up the Bruins? (GO FLYERS!!!!!)

Still, gay marriage makes (M)assachusetts the laughing stock.


29 posted on 01/16/2008 12:49:28 PM PST by AbeKrieger (There is a special place in Hell for Lyndon Johnson.)
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To: aroundabout
Here's why I am right. Schilling has one year if that remaining. Beckett is a truly great pitcher and I cannot take anything away from him. After that they have the knuckle baller

Mr. Tim Wakefield.

who at best is erratic but has the benefit of being able to pitch almost everyday due to the almost total lack of wear and tear on his arm from throwing the floater.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Wakefield was down for more than a few weeks last year due to shoulder and back problems.

After that it gets a bit dicey for the sox as far as starters.

I guess you've never heard of John Lester or Clay Buccholtz . . . or Johan Santana, when we get him.

In the bull pen they have Papelbon, who was supposed to be a starter but developed arm trouble and was made a closer and a sparsely used one at that due to concerns about how he will hold up under extreme use say like NYY closer Mariano Riviera has.

Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. Papelbon started his major league career with the Red Sox in the pen, came in as a closer when Foulke couldn't get the job done, and did so well he took the job from Foulke for the rest of the year. He was shut down late in the season when he developed arm problems due to over-use; at the beginning of this season, he projected as a starter in order to put less stress on his arm, but his arm became a non-issue, and he returned to his role as a lights-out closer.

The word is he is a pitch away from mediocrity.

Your most fervent wish.

Here's the problem. It's no secret Manny wants out of Boston

This hasn't been an issue for nearly two years now. Try and keep up.

30 posted on 01/16/2008 12:53:25 PM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: aroundabout
Manny Ramirez goes and your team finishes no higher then 4th.

1. Manny isn't going anywhere.
2. Even if he does, the Sox would replace him with someone who puts up Manny-like numbers. Duquette isn't in charge anymore, you know.

31 posted on 01/16/2008 12:57:58 PM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: AbeKrieger

Hey, the Phils aren’t that far off. Not a bad team to root for in the NL East.


32 posted on 01/16/2008 12:59:26 PM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: aroundabout

nope......The Diamond Backs do followed by the Dodgers...................it is written


33 posted on 01/16/2008 1:00:29 PM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: aroundabout

And all the broken records are as a result of cheating - - I’d like to share some of what you’re doin - - LOL!


34 posted on 01/16/2008 1:41:05 PM PST by Beckwith (Dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

LOL, Manny is on the record as talking to NYY players about his desire to play with the Yankees. He’s from the Bronx and wants to return. Personally I wouldn’t take him anyway. The Yankees have the best offense in baseball as it is.

Wakefield, aside from last year hasn’t had an injury ‘problem’ at all and that’s what I was referring to. And wasn’t he out in 2006 not 07. I recall a back and rib cage thing that year.

Bucholtz has a total of 21 innings in the bigs and is already an injury problem as of Sept last year. It is far to early to call him a sure thing’

Lester is the kid who came back from cancer. God bless him for that. He has parts of 2 seasons with the sox and has an era in the mid to high 4’s, not overly impressive and he is erratic at times and according to the book on him he can be surprisingly easy for left handers to hit. Not a good thing if you are a left handed pitcher yourself. With this young man the future is unknown due to his illness.

Papelbon is a strange case. He was recently resigned in, I think, March of 07 to a 1 year contract at about $450,000. This “phenom” is just 27 years old and they offer him a ONE YEAR contract at a lousy $450,000? Geez, there are guys who make that in a week. Mariano Rivera is 38 years old and the NYY resigned him for 3 years. Somethings going on here and it doesn’t bode well for the SAWX. If Papelbon was ok as you seem to think they would have locked him up for at least 7 years. The fact they did not indicates they believe he has a limited future.

Ramirez’s HR and RBI production is in steady decline since 2005 with each of the past three seasons showing him being less productive in all areas.

For what you will have to give up to get him, I hope the SAWX are dumb enough to do the deal. Frankly though I think he will go to either the Mets or if they really want him the Yankees will get him. But with their current staff of young firebrands waiting to step up, they don’t need him.


35 posted on 01/16/2008 2:23:34 PM PST by aroundabout
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To: Beckwith

Which records are you talking about?


36 posted on 01/16/2008 2:31:37 PM PST by aroundabout
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

LOL, just replace him? No problem, right? Geez, what are YOU smokin’


37 posted on 01/16/2008 2:34:51 PM PST by aroundabout
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To: aroundabout

This thread has been quite enjoyable. Your something in the water voodoo conspiracy theories are testament that NY has gone over the edge (which just makes it all the more enjoyable of course).

A-fraud Sucks in the playoffs. New England danced in the streets when Mr. April received his ridiculous over-the-top Yankee contract (y’all should have placed his incentives on playoff performance, not attention whoring regular season stats — MORONS).

The rest of your line up really didn’t do so much for you last year did they? Red Sox own your 3 year contract closer, his number was punched years ago.

Schilling is with the Sox to groom the youngsters, which he was stellar in doing with Beckett, and is further bringing Dice-K along nicely.

We are all set here in the sports capital of the word thanks.

We will check for your pulse when we sign Santana — and will giggle our asses off if the Yankees do, as that farm system that has your chest all puffed out over? Hank the flip flipper will have sold that “farm” to get him.

HA. HA. HA. HA. HA.

Patriots. Celtics. Red Sox......... mommy make the monsters go away!


38 posted on 01/16/2008 2:56:00 PM PST by Lovebloggers
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To: aroundabout

Oh and on Papelbon’s contract?

CONTRACT INFO: 2008: Near Minimum, 2009-11: Arb. Eligible, 2012: Free Agent

You do know what this means right?


39 posted on 01/16/2008 3:03:47 PM PST by Lovebloggers
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To: Lovebloggers

Of course I know what it means. It means the sox are willing to basically keep him on the cheap as long as they can rather then lock him up NOW because they haven’t a clue what he will have left in a couple of years. You make it sound like every team lets the clock run out before signing prospects, good ones, to big money contracts. This is not so because when a player is strong and putting up BIG numbers the team must pay top dollar. In Papalbons case his numbers are ok but he has only had 1 outstanding year and I think they could get him cheaper now then they will, in 2 years if he has outstanding years. They are NOT doing this because they know his future is in question.


40 posted on 01/16/2008 3:54:08 PM PST by aroundabout
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To: aroundabout
Manny Ramirez could hop on the next rocket to Mars (if he hasn't already) and our pitching staff alone will still win 95 games next year without breaking a sweat, and without trading for Johann Santana. As for past Pinstriped Glory, the French had some great victories in the 16th century too, and they count for about as much right now. The Yankees could put a TV in their dugout and they still wouldn't be able to hit Beckett or Matsuzaka to save their pincushion behinds. Face it, Spanky: when your biggest hope is Melky Cabrera, you're pretty much f***ed. See you in the post season (or, actually, not).
41 posted on 01/16/2008 4:09:20 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (Kill the terrorists, secure the borders, and give me back my freedom.)
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To: aroundabout

Name one player.

Then google Ryan Howard.

Next.


42 posted on 01/16/2008 4:16:06 PM PST by Lovebloggers
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To: aroundabout

Oh and he can’t even think of going anywhere until 2012.

Perhaps the Yankees would pay him top dollar now, but like I said — name one player that got a huge money contract with 4 years left on the clock.


43 posted on 01/16/2008 4:17:50 PM PST by Lovebloggers
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To: Lovebloggers
This thread has been quite enjoyable. Your something in the water voodoo conspiracy theories are testament that NY has gone over the edge (which just makes it all the more enjoyable of course).

Our history speaks for itself. The Red Sox rather boorish behavior is that of a perennial loser that has found short term success and believes it has somehow become a NYY like dynasty or at least hope they have. Well you know what they say, you can hope in one hand and crap in the other and see which fills up faster. Consistency is the mark of the professional and the NYY is the most successful sports franchise in history. When the sox equal what they have done, then you MAY get respect but only if you learn HOW to win.

A-fraud Sucks in the playoffs. New England danced in the streets when Mr. April received his ridiculous over-the-top Yankee contract (y’all should have placed his incentives on playoff performance, not attention whoring regular season stats — MORONS).

Since I visit many sports forums I can tell you unequivocally this is a lie. The Sox were frantic to get AROD and were crushed when he went to NY. I agree he sucked in the playoffs but he is the very reason we got there. If it were only he that failed to hit it would be one thi9ng but that ws not the case.

The rest of your line up really didn’t do so much for you last year did they? Red Sox own your 3 year contract closer, his number was punched years ago. NYY finished at the top offensively to the RS 5th place offensive finish. We do well against Schilling and we beat Papalbon and if I remember correctly we took the season series from you. You may have forgotten that when Pedro was your star pitcher we owned him. This is another shortcoming of the RS fan, a short memory.

m Schilling is with the Sox to groom the youngsters, which he was stellar in doing with Beckett, and is further bringing Dice-K along nicely.

The story on Dice K, your 100 MILLION dollar pitcher has yet to be written. He was certainly NOT earning his money last year with a 15-12 record and a .440 era. The league saw him for the first time last year and it will only get more difficult for him.

We are all set here in the sports capital of the word thanks.

LOL, the utter arrogance of the RS fan. I lived there pal and I saw it all. If they win 6 in a row they will NEVER lose again. When they lose a close game the umps sucked and if that line drive off the wall had been 3 inches higher...... The Yankees win and go home, they don't start fights 5-6 times a month because it'd "cool" as the fans think, and they don't run around madly pumping their fists. They were jackets when they travel and behave like gentlemen. Then NYY are a team of class and tradition, while the RS....are not.

We will check for your pulse when we sign Santana — and will giggle our asses off if the Yankees do, as that farm system that has your chest all puffed out over? Hank the flip flipper will have sold that “farm” to get him.

Ahh, more Boston arrogance. If you sign him it will be a good deal because you somehow think you will have to give up LESS then the Twins refused before, but if the NYY sign him then we will give up MORE? Do I have that right? I've explained the records and prospects of then various young pitchers on each team and the Yankees clearly, VERY clearly have an edge and more then a small one. Let me know if you want to compare pitcher for pitcher and i will gladly do so.

HA. HA. HA. HA. HA.

Really, I must smile because I have seen this so many times from RS fans and it brings to mind the "He who, laughs last" quip.

44 posted on 01/16/2008 4:28:56 PM PST by aroundabout
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To: aroundabout

“”Our history speaks for itself. The Red Sox rather boorish behavior is that of a perennial loser that has found short term success and believes it has somehow become a NYY like dynasty or at least hope they have. Well you know what they say, you can hope in one hand and crap in the other and see which fills up faster. Consistency is the mark of the professional and the NYY is the most successful sports franchise in history. When the sox equal what they have done, then you MAY get respect but only if you learn HOW to win.””

You history of WS wins ends where? I don’t see that changing in the near future. Short term success that the Yankees can’t see to muster if their lives depended on it. Red Sox have built a team, which is a foreign concept to Georgie as he just collects talent. We are in it for the long haul. We’ll see where the Yankees are the end of this season.

Yankee fans are quite possibly the most obnoxious fans on the planet. Learn how to win? are you kidding me right now? BAHAHAHA.

“””Since I visit many sports forums I can tell you unequivocally this is a lie. The Sox were frantic to get AROD and were crushed when he went to NY. I agree he sucked in the playoffs but he is the very reason we got there. If it were only he that failed to hit it would be one thi9ng but that ws not the case.”””

Oh my!! I am so sorry. I had no idea we were in the presence of someone who visits many sports forums! Ooooh, bow down to your greatness!

I guess you missed the “don’t sign A-fraud” “re-sign Lowell” chants that started at the end of game four of the WS. I need a link to “frantic” please (other than your sports forums, mmmkay?).

“””The story on Dice K, your 100 MILLION dollar pitcher has yet to be written. He was certainly NOT earning his money last year with a 15-12 record and a .440 era. The league saw him for the first time last year and it will only get more difficult for him.”””

The story on Dice-K is that he will be just fine this year. We’ll compare notes in October.

“””LOL, the utter arrogance of the RS fan. I lived there pal and I saw it all. If they win 6 in a row they will NEVER lose again. When they lose a close game the umps sucked and if that line drive off the wall had been 3 inches higher...... The Yankees win and go home, they don’t start fights 5-6 times a month because it’d “cool” as the fans think, and they don’t run around madly pumping their fists. They were jackets when they travel and behave like gentlemen. Then NYY are a team of class and tradition, while the RS....are not.”””

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Have you ever even attended a game in the Bronx?

Lord I am going to throw up from laughing on this one. Too damn funny.

A-fraud wears his fancy suit to those strip clubs too doesn’t he?, and Jeter the tax cheat? yeah, he is soooo classy.

HAHAHAHAHA.

“””Ahh, more Boston arrogance. If you sign him it will be a good deal because you somehow think you will have to give up LESS then the Twins refused before, but if the NYY sign him then we will give up MORE? Do I have that right? I’ve explained the records and prospects of then various young pitchers on each team and the Yankees clearly, VERY clearly have an edge and more then a small one. Let me know if you want to compare pitcher for pitcher and i will gladly do so.””

When the Yankees sell the farm to sign Santana (and everyone but you knows they will), you will have a pitching staff made up of Santana.

Maybe Roger will come out of retirement and “save” you all once again.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Lester and Masterson is being offered for Santana by the Red Sox. In another deal it is Ellsbury and some other small minor league talent. Yankees will give up Hughes, a half dozen other talent and cash for him.

Tick tock..... I will be the first to post the article when it happens. :)

“”Really, I must smile because I have seen this so many times from RS fans and it brings to mind the “He who, laughs last” quip.””

Red Sox farm system is stocked. Bullpen is stocked. I see nothing but smiles and laughter on my end.

Yankees — not so much, and it is just killing you. All the more sweeter.

Patriots. Celtics. Red Sox.......... I love that dirty water...


45 posted on 01/16/2008 5:05:05 PM PST by Lovebloggers
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To: andy58-in-nh
"Manny Ramirez could hop on the next rocket to Mars (if he hasn't already) and our pitching staff alone will still win 95 games next year without breaking a sweat, and without trading for Johann Santana. As for past Pinstriped Glory, the French had some great victories in the 16th century too, and they count for about as much right now. The Yankees could put a TV in their dugout and they still wouldn't be able to hit Beckett or Matsuzaka to save their pincushion behinds. Face it, Spanky: when your biggest hope is Melky Cabrera, you're pretty much f***ed. See you in the post season (or, actually, not)."

You exhibit the typical small NE mentality when you so arrogantly proclaim the NYY's finished because they haven't gotten past the 1st round lately. You also seem to believe that with the tenuous pitching staff you now have you somehow have what the Orioles had in the 1970's when they had 4 20 game winners. Believe me if you took the time to actually look at what you claim is a locked in future great staff you would be scared to death. I suspect that like most NE fans you prefer to just hype yourself into a frenzy and only emerge from the ether when it all falls apart. Just for fun, why not show me this GREAT staff you have for the future, Beckett aside because I will allow for his having ONE great year last year and will even assume he will have a few more. Let's look at your younger pitchers and perhaps you can explain to me WHY you believe they have such great futures? Show me stats and I will do the same for the NYY staff. You will see how short your team comes up looking down the road. I don't take anything away from their winning last season but let's not forget the 13 game lead they came within 1 game of losing (like 1978 when they blew a 14.5 game lead) and the fact the NYY came back from injuries to every starter. I also am willing to congratulate a winner but you see the problem with you nasty and spiteful NE fans is that your childish ranting and hateful rhetoric when you lose is present, amazingly even when you lose. Again I remind you I was there and witnessed this. As mild mannered a man as Joe Torre was taken aback by the continued anger exhibited by the Boston fans AFTER the miraculous comeback in the 2004 ALCS by the RS. His quote in the newspaper when asked by a reporter about the continued hatred exhibited by RS fans was "I don't get it (the anger), they won. Why don't they just move on" This is paraphrased but close enough so you get the point. Since about 1918 the RS have had exactly one successful period, from 2004-2006 where they won 2 of 3 WS. Congratulations, but for you to claim the NYY are to be replaced by the RS after this absurdly short period of success only points out your ignorance of baseball history. I cannot see the future but here's what I know. Schilling is all but done as a pitcher at age 42. Beckett is young and ought to be around for a while. Papalbon is a disaster waiting to happen as far as his shoulkder goes and your youngsters, as I will prove as soon as you agree to the comparing them to the Yankees kids, have no background of their own to base your wild enthusiasm on. Frankly you have bought into, hook, line and sinker the Boston media hype about the team. The teams pitching last year was 1st in the AL but it was only 1 year and the argument can easily be made that several of your players had career years never to be repeated again. Only time will tell and if the past is any indication of the future, the RS will be in a world of hurt in a year or 2 as Ramirez goes and the leagues refuses to pitch to Ortiz. Ortiz is a career .282 hitter without Ramirez hitting behind him he will again be a .282 hitter. The assertion that the RS "will just get another hitter like Ramirez" only show the abject ignorance of the Boston fan. I smile just thinking of the frantic excuse making and hateful invective you guys will spew when things begin to fall apart as they will for sure.

46 posted on 01/17/2008 5:15:23 AM PST by aroundabout
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To: Lovebloggers

Name one player.

Then google Ryan Howard.

Next.

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Don’t understand this question as it refers to post it is referenced to. Please explain.


47 posted on 01/17/2008 5:17:48 AM PST by aroundabout
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To: Lovebloggers

RS fans are not referred to along with the generl population of MA as Massholes for no reason. Your posts exhibit a bunch of wishful thinking and virtually no facts and as such cannot be reasonably argued against. Matsusaka is so far a decent pitcher and no more. He is unarguable the most expensive aquition with the worst return in baseball history. Your claim he “will be ok” because “the is just that” is a joke.

BTW, AROD’s cost the Yankees almost nothing, relative to his production, since the Rangers are paying $7,000,000 annually thru 2010.


48 posted on 01/17/2008 5:30:45 AM PST by aroundabout
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To: aroundabout
LOL, Manny is on the record as talking to NYY players about his desire to play with the Yankees.

How is 2005, anyway? It's 2008, you know . . .

Bucholtz has a total of 21 innings

. . . including a no-hitter in his second major league game. You're right; the guy probably sucks.

Lester is the kid who came back from cancer. God bless him for that. He has parts of 2 seasons with the sox and has an era in the mid to high 4’s, not overly impressive and he is erratic at times and according to the book on him he can be surprisingly easy for left handers to hit. Not a good thing if you are a left handed pitcher yourself. With this young man the future is unknown due to his illness.

His career record is 11-2, and he has 110 strikeouts. He also won Game 4 of last year's World Series. You probably didn't watch that, though, as your Yank-offs were bounced in the first round of playoffs.

Papelbon is a strange case. He was recently resigned in, I think, March of 07 to a 1 year contract at about $450,000. This “phenom” is just 27 years old and they offer him a ONE YEAR contract at a lousy $450,000? Geez, there are guys who make that in a week. Mariano Rivera is 38 years old and the NYY resigned him for 3 years. Somethings going on here and it doesn’t bode well for the SAWX. If Papelbon was ok as you seem to think they would have locked him up for at least 7 years. The fact they did not indicates they believe he has a limited future.

Papelbon isn't arbitration eligible . . . he's only a year off his rookie year, i.e., he has two years of experience. Why would the Sox pay him any more than they have to? They control his monetary fate right now.

Are you sure you know what you're talking about? This is real basic stuff . . .

Ramirez’s HR and RBI production is in steady decline since 2005 with each of the past three seasons showing him being less productive in all areas.

What a shock. He'll be 36 years old this season.

49 posted on 01/17/2008 7:23:43 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: aroundabout
The story on Dice K, your 100 MILLION dollar pitcher has yet to be written. He was certainly NOT earning his money last year with a 15-12 record and a .440 era. The league saw him for the first time last year and it will only get more difficult for him.

Yeah, just like Beckett, eh?

And Beckett was only making the transition from the National League to the American League---i.e., the junior varsity to the varsity. Matsusaka was making the transition from Japanese professional baseball to the American League---i.e., the freshman team to the varsity. How did 207 work out for Beckett, once he learned to pitch to American League hitters?

The more you post, the more convinced I am you don't know jack about baseball.

50 posted on 01/17/2008 7:31:38 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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