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Giuliani's Prayers (Rudy Now Quoting Scripture Before Church Congregations - Twisting Meaning)
The Brody File ^ | 1-14-08 | David Brody

Posted on 01/16/2008 11:10:02 AM PST by TitansAFC

Hey, Mike Huckabee wasn't the only one speaking in church Sunday. Barack Obama was in Vegas speaking at a church there, and Rudy Giuliani spoke at a huge mega-church in Florida. Read below from The Associated Press:

With his plan for winning the GOP presidential nomination riding largely on a Florida victory at the end of the month, Rudy Giuliani asked an evangelical congregation for prayers instead of votes Sunday and quoted scripture to evoke a message of hope and perseverance.

"I'm not coming here to ask for your vote," he said. "That's up to you and it's not the right place. But I am coming here to ask you for something very special and more important: I'm asking for your prayers."

While other Republican candidates are focused on Tuesday's Michigan primary, Giuliani is following a strategy of pushing for a January 29 victory in Florida he hopes will propel him toward a dominant showing on February 5, when more than 20 states hold primaries and caucuses, and then on to the nomination.

Once a strong front-runner in national polls, the former New York City mayor has fallen well behind the three candidates jockeying for a victory in Michigan, John McCain, Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee.

"I've faced odds that were at times seemingly impossible, situations where people had given up hope, but we didn't listen to the doubters, we didn't listen to the naysayers," Giuliani told several thousand worshippers at El Rey Jesus Church in Miami.

"Fear not, be strong, and of good courage," he added, quoting the Bible. The church, which has a congregation of 10,000 people, was his first stop on a three-day bus tour through Florida.

OK. I know all you Giuliani bashers see Giuliani speaking at a church and have all these unkind thoughts. Repent!

Seriously though…whatever you think of Giuliani and some of his personal issues, when he says he needs people's prayers, I'm sure he's being very genuine. When it comes to winning in Florida, he could sure use some answered prayer.

Giuliani's biggest threat could be a steamrolling John McCain. Think about it. Giuliani has based his campaign on fighting terrorism and electability. John McCain can match him on both of those items. But if McCain wins in Michigan and South Carolina, it may be so much momentum that Giuliani all of a sudden gets into a world of trouble with McCain in Florida and Feb. 5.


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; giuliani; giulianitruthfile; huckabee; rudy
---"I've faced odds that were at times seemingly impossible, situations where people had given up hope, but we didn't listen to the doubters, we didn't listen to the naysayers," Giuliani told several thousand worshippers at El Rey Jesus Church in Miami.

"Fear not, be strong, and of good courage," he added, quoting the Bible. The church, which has a congregation of 10,000 people, was his first stop on a three-day bus tour through Florida."---

UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rudy turns a bible verse encouraging Christians enduring persecution for the cause of Christ into a political rally cry for his failing campaign.

Yup. That's what the Holy Spirit was talking about with these words of divine encouragement to the persecuted Church: if your political campaign is failing and your strategy unfolding, "Fear not, be strong, and of good courage." Yup, that's what was meant......

Imagine the fits in the Conservative media like National Review if this was Mike Huckabee -- Imagine if this was Mitt Romney, and how the press would destroy him -- Just IMAGINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1 posted on 01/16/2008 11:10:04 AM PST by TitansAFC
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To: TitansAFC

The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose. - William Shakespeare

More specifically, from The Merchant of Venice (appropriate for some guy named Giuliani), Act I, Scene III:

ANTONIO: Mark you this, Bassanio,
The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul, producing holy witness,
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!


2 posted on 01/16/2008 11:14:43 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: FreeInWV; 383rr; abishai; Afronaut; airborne; Alberta's Child; Alice in Wonderland; Antonious; ...
The “Stop Rudy” ping list!

E-mail/ping me if you want on/off the list! SPREAD THE WORD!!!

This is just amazing.

Rudy Giuliani is a man with no ethical core, no conscience, and no moral inhibitions. This is the campaign of a desperate and dastardly man who will do and say anything - ANYTHING - in his insatiable lust for power. Life of our youngest children, the Constitution, Scripture — there is nothing so sacred that he is unwilling to bastardize it authoritarian-like to impose his personal desires upon every single person he has the power to do so to. There is no standard but his own - everything else is malleable.

This man should be kept as far away from the most powerful office in the world as possible.

Times like this are the reason I proudly run the "Stop Rudy" ping list. In this one battle, I know that I fight the good fight.

3 posted on 01/16/2008 11:16:04 AM PST by TitansAFC ("My 80% enemy is not my 20% friend" -- Common Sense)
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To: TitansAFC
Well, I think Giuliani feels persecuted most of the time. That's basically his attitude in most of his speeches...
4 posted on 01/16/2008 11:16:20 AM PST by ER Doc
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To: Spktyr

Shakespeare had a source.


5 posted on 01/16/2008 11:18:28 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: TitansAFC
"Fear not, be strong, and of good courage," he added, quoting the Bible....

So did he then pass Cesare's proverbial plate?

6 posted on 01/16/2008 11:20:20 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: wideawake

Of course he did, but Matthew 4:6 is a lot less entertaining and less poignant for someone of Italian descent.

For those that care, Matthew 4:6 as seen in the KJV:

4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.


7 posted on 01/16/2008 11:23:17 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: TitansAFC
Rudy turns a bible verse encouraging Christians enduring persecution for the cause of Christ into a political rally cry for his failing campaign.

Yeah, but was Jesus ever as far behind in the polls as Rudy is? :=)

8 posted on 01/16/2008 11:23:43 AM PST by Bob
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To: TitansAFC
"Seriously though…whatever you think of Giuliani and some of his personal issues, when he says he needs people's prayers, I'm sure he's being very genuine."

You've got to be kidding. I means he needs their votes, what esle would Ruby the unrepentant sinner be praying for?

9 posted on 01/16/2008 11:26:35 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Spktyr

Personally, I don’t like to see Republicans campaigning in churches—any church! Let’s leave that for the Democrats.


10 posted on 01/16/2008 11:30:29 AM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: TitansAFC

If Rudy does get the nomination, watch Hillary or Obama get a bunch of black pastors to bash Rudy’s moral failings.


11 posted on 01/16/2008 11:41:52 AM PST by Kuksool
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To: TitansAFC; All

Check this out. It appears Rudy’s house may have been built by illegal aliens.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0803,barrett,78883,6.html

[snip] Visits to several ongoing Farrell jobs in December found a work force that was entirely Latino except for the project manager directly employed by Farrell. At one major site on Halsey Lane in Bridgehampton, an Ecuadorian who was working on the roof of a guesthouse insisted that he and his two non-English-speaking companions were legal. Employed by a roofing company called Cedar Design, he said that he thought “all of the other people here are illegal.” Asked how he knew that, the worker said that the Americans stopped working at noon on Friday, three hours before the The Voice visit. Pressed as to who was illegal, he pointed in the direction of a dozen or so people, all of whom appeared to be Latino, who were working on the foundation of the main house.

Sister Margaret Smyth, a Catholic nun who works with undocumented workers in the Hamptons, said that she’d recently won a $1,000 claim against a subcontractor, Hampton Brick Works, who hired a bricklayer to build a 42-foot chimney for a Farrell house and then refused to pay him. The bricklayer was undocumented. Farrell acknowledged that he used the contractor, though he said he’d only recently begun giving the firm business. Brick chimneys are a signature feature of Farrell’s homes, and Giuliani’s house has three of them. Tom Wedell, a leader of the Anti-Illegal Immigrant Association, says that he’s seen Hampton Brick Works come to the 7-Eleven store in Southampton and pick up illegal workers......

Farrell says that Giuliani first came to him “a year and a half to two years” before he bought the house, inquiring about a possible purchase. Farrell says he got to know Giuliani by driving him around to other sites, and that Giuliani worked his way up from the $1 million price range to the $3.2 million that he ultimately paid. That kind of protracted contact gave Giuliani plenty of opportunity to make the same sort of observations about Farrell’s workforce as the The Voice did over the course of a couple of weeks.


12 posted on 01/16/2008 11:42:07 AM PST by AuntB (" DON'T LET THE PRESS PICK YOUR CANDIDATE!" Mrs. Duncan Hunter 1/5/08)
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To: TitansAFC
This is a sacrilege, the amoral Rooty asking for prayers. That mutt has no bounds as to how low he'll go. He better watch out for lightening.

And as to his Florida Firewall strategy - he really screwed the pooch here, proves he's a dimwit and mentally unfit for office. The GOP stripped FL half of it's delegates for moving the primary date up. Moron Rooty is banking all for a whooping fifty-seven, that's 57 delegates!

So out of the 1,191 he'd need to win the nomination, IF he won FL he'd 'only' need another ... 1,114!

Come Feb 6th, it'll be Rudy who?

13 posted on 01/16/2008 11:42:14 AM PST by Condor51 (I wouldn't vote for Rooty under any circumstance -- even if Waterboarded!)
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To: AuntB

Notice that Giuliani is hitting largely Hispanic congregations, while igonoring black and white churches.


14 posted on 01/16/2008 11:43:33 AM PST by Kuksool
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To: Condor51
OOPs, typo in my post (wrong number).

That's 1,134 delegates Rooty would need for the nomination if he won FL's 57 delegates, not 1,114 as I posted.

15 posted on 01/16/2008 11:47:16 AM PST by Condor51 (I wouldn't vote for Rooty under any circumstance -- even if Waterboarded!)
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To: TitansAFC
See this doesn't make me mad. Yes it reveals some lack of knowledge, but it also shows he isn't hostile to faith in general. God will deal with him on misuses. In a politician it's hostility to faith I reject. Their hostilities should be directed toward our nation's enemies, foreign and domestic. Religious faith in the nation's citizens is a good thing and should not be treated as some sort of evil like many politicians do these days.

You are right, however, that everyone would be outraged if this were Huckabee. I remember in the 70's when many of my fellow Southern Baptists were all excited about Jimmy Carter being SB too. Of course that was perfectly okay with the media. Now it is a scandal if SBs are happy to have another SB candidate. Even Clinton tapped into that. So did Gore. Of course they didn't seem genuine and so it didn't work so well, but still... The problem people have is with GENUINE faith. So Guiliani offers words of wisdom without even meaning to. "Fear not, be strong and of good courage..."

16 posted on 01/16/2008 11:53:17 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Nathan Zachary
I means he needs their votes, what esle would Ruby the unrepentant sinner be praying for?

Just about anything would be my guess.

"I believe in God ... I pray and ask him for help.
I pray like a lawyer. I try to make a deal — get me out
of this jam, and I’ll start going back to church."
-- Rudy Giuliani

17 posted on 01/16/2008 12:07:11 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
Yes it reveals some lack of knowledge, but it also shows he isn't hostile to faith in general.

To me it shows he will pander to them, something that I don't necessarily equate with a lack of hostility. The two are not mutually exclusive and Rudy has shown that he will use most anyone to advance himself personally, politically and professionally.

18 posted on 01/16/2008 12:12:25 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: TitansAFC

“Dear Lord, send us righteous, life-affirming leaders, and help us get them elected.”

Sorry, Rudy, that’s the best I could do. I sadly think it won’t be much help for you.


19 posted on 01/16/2008 12:18:59 PM PST by dangus
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To: calcowgirl

Maybe. Okay sure, there is some pandering to this. I just also think Guiliani is not hostile to religious people and that is why they are not hostile to him. Hey, he even got Pat Robertson’s endorsement, didn’t he? I like Guiliani. I won’t ever vote for him because I don’t agree with his liberal views.


20 posted on 01/16/2008 12:19:42 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: AuntB
**** Check this out. It appears Rudy’s house may have been built by illegal aliens.
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0803,barrett,78883,6.html ****


Thanks for that link - Looks like Rooty has some 'splaining to do :-)

BUT there's more there on the 1st page, links to Rooty's other 'Illegal Issues'.

Rooty's going down in flames. Come Feb 6th it'll be 'Rudy who?'

(gotta run, will be off line till tomorrow)

21 posted on 01/16/2008 12:21:58 PM PST by Condor51 (I wouldn't vote for Rooty under any circumstance -- even if Waterboarded!)
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To: TitansAFC

If Rudy the RINO is the model Catholic then that church really does have more problems then just buggering.
What is wrong with the Catholic church in that they allow abortion supporters to continue with the Catholic Sacraments?
Are they afraid of losing their tax exempt status?


22 posted on 01/16/2008 12:24:32 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

I think Jimmy Carter was less hostile to religious people than Giuliani and overall more sincere in his faith. Bottom line: it doesn’t mean much when choosing a President. His beliefs on issues, however, mean a lot. (He fails on most counts)


23 posted on 01/16/2008 12:27:36 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Condor51; Liz; Calpernia; indylindy

Ahhh... another one, huh?

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0752,barrett,78709,2.html

Likes Rudy, Likes Booty

(snip)

And then there’s the saga of Ed Norris, who rose to deputy commissioner for operations at the NYPD in his mid-30s under Giuliani and became Baltimore’s police commissioner in 2000.

Norris, who was still at NYPD headquarters when the Judi Nathan adventure began in 1999, pled guilty to federal charges in 2004 that he had used a supplemental police fund in Baltimore as if it were his own ATM, “financing romantic encounters with several different women.” The original indictment referred to eight women entertained by the police chief . . .

(snip)

Norris was an NYPD deputy commissioner for nearly five years under Giuliani, in charge of developing and implementing anti-crime strategies. “I met with Rudy every Thursday,” briefing him on the week’s crime data, Norris said in a Voice interview. As recently as late 2006, Norris saw Giuliani at a political fundraiser for Ehrlich, who is the mid-Atlantic chair for Giuliani’s presidential campaign. “I was emceeing the event,” says Norris. “Rudy gave me a big hug. He was very happy for me.” Fresh from prison at the time, Norris was still on parole . . .


24 posted on 01/16/2008 12:35:08 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl
I disagree with you about Carter being all that sincere, but neither did he seem hostile, at least at the time. Now I would say he is hostile to religious conservatives.

I agree that it is the issues that matter. To me, hostility towards religion in general, evangelicals in particular, is an issue that would cause me to never vote for the candidate.

25 posted on 01/16/2008 12:35:57 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: calcowgirl; Calpernia; Condor51
NOT ALL CHURCHGOERS ARE BUYING ROOTY'S FAKERY

Giuliani isn't swaying them in Florida LA Times | 01/15/08 | Louise Roug
FR Posted 01/15/2008 by advance_copy

EXCERPT For an hour Monday, Rudolph W. Giuliani passionately made his case to voters seated in the Shell Point retirement community chapel. He talked of tax cuts and terrorist attacks, of building up the military and cracking down on illegal immigration. But in the end, he didn't seem to close the deal.

Dozens of the more than 1,000 who attended the town hall event took off before Giuliani finished his speech, leaving rows of seats empty. "I didn't hear anything I hadn't heard before," said Barbara Vitello, 71. "It's the first time ever I'm going into the [presidential] election not knowing who I'll vote for," she said. Her 79-year-old husband, Joe, agreed. Read more at latimes.com ...

26 posted on 01/16/2008 12:49:07 PM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

>>I disagree with you about Carter being all that sincere...

I used it in a relative sense. Relative to Giuliani, that is.

>>Now I would say he is hostile to religious conservatives.

As is Giuliani.


27 posted on 01/16/2008 12:54:04 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl
Jimmy Carter was less hostile to religious people than Giuliani..........

Married Carter lusted in his heart.

Married Rudy lusted and porked his mistress on the taxpayers' dime then hid the theft of public services in obscure city agencies. Tax-paid NYPD drivers and cops stood around and watched while Rooty got sexually blitzed by his mistress.

Keep in mind---Rooty's campaign strategy from the getgo was to kick social conservatives and believers to the curb. He and his power-mad liberal handlers wanted complete control of the Repub party.

Rooty's stupid plan was based on the ignorant assumption that conservatives were gonna roll over and play dead.

That ain't happening.

28 posted on 01/16/2008 1:00:29 PM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: TitansAFC; calcowgirl

Rooty worships at “The Church of Whatever Works For Me.”


29 posted on 01/16/2008 1:03:27 PM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: Liz
Keep in mind---Rooty's campaign strategy from the getgo was to kick social conservatives and believers to the curb. He and his power-mad liberal handlers wanted complete control of the Repub party.

Schwarzenegger did the same thing. His strategy was that he didn't need the folks on the right as he would capture the great middle.

I kept asking the ArnoldBots what the political platform of the great middle was (a little bit of socialism? an average amount of property rights? etc). I never got an answer. Go figure! ;-)

30 posted on 01/16/2008 1:06:27 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl
I kept asking the ArnoldBots what the political platform of the great middle was (a little bit of socialism? an average amount of property rights? etc). I never got an answer. Go figure!

I guess Guiliani (like Arnie being forced to cut Cali services) is learning the hard way----too bad (/sarc).

31 posted on 01/16/2008 1:15:42 PM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: Liz
Arnie being forced to cut Cali services...

He won't end up cutting much of anything. What you are seeing now in the headlines is just all the whining and victimhood that will support the argument for raising taxes. When push comes to shove, I think Arnie will be raising (more) "fees" and selling/leasing off assets and revenue generating operations in the form of Public Private Partnerships (toll roads, etc.) in exchange for boatloads of cash from private interests.

32 posted on 01/16/2008 1:24:01 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

You may be right about Guiliani but I haven’t seen evidence of it myself. I have to see it to react. The deal is, I am not voting for Guiliani based on his political positions so the hostility issue has no deal to break.


33 posted on 01/16/2008 2:30:41 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: TitansAFC
"I've faced odds that were at times seemingly impossible, situations where people had given up hope, but we didn't listen to the doubters, we didn't listen to the naysayers..." [Then he quotes scripture].

Positively Hillaryesque. What an unspeakable scumbag.

34 posted on 01/16/2008 2:52:02 PM PST by Hunton Peck (Giuliani/Huckabee '08! The only ticket that can outslime the Democrats!)
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To: TitansAFC

What’s he got to lose? He’s going to burn in hell anyway.


35 posted on 01/16/2008 6:22:10 PM PST by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: calcowgirl; Grampa Dave
Arnie will be raising (more) "fees"...........

Hope Auhnold likes his new nickname------"Fifi."

36 posted on 01/16/2008 8:48:40 PM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: AuntB

If your house was built in the last 10 years, I think chances are pretty good an illegal worked on it.


37 posted on 01/17/2008 12:47:47 AM PST by beaversmom
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