Schwarzenegger to endorse term-limit changes

Los Angeles Times ^ | 01/15/08 | By Jordan Rau

[AngelesCrestHighway]

SACRAMENTO -- Softening his past opposition to changes to California's term-limits law, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is endorsing a Feb. 5 ballot measure that would allow many sitting lawmakers to run for office again this year rather than be forced to leave the Legislature. Schwarzenegger, who as a candidate in 2003 supported California's existing term-limits law as a shield against "special interests" obtaining too much power, reversed himself in an essay released Monday that said the original law "went too far." "Under the current system, our elected officials are not given the time they need to reach their full potential as public servants," Schwarzenegger wrote in an opinion article published on The Times website Monday and in the newspaper today.

[AngelesCrestHighway]

"our elected officials are not given the time they need to reach their full potential as public servants,"....L.O.L!...you mean enough time to fleece the public with their socialist programs? Arnold, you stink!!

[squidly]

Two of my favorite words in politics are term limits.

[PeterFinn]

Arnold is a RINO - no surprise as he’s married into the Kennedy family.

[ab01]

Obviously bought off by the socialist legislators in Sacramento.

[DoughtyOne]

Arnold is on a roll. I can’t think of anything he has supported over the last couple of years that is even remotely conservative in nature.

It’s amazing to me that some activist republican hasn’t started a recall of this nimrod.

[NormsRevenge]

Just Vote NO on Props 93 , 94 , 95 , 96, 97..
for starters..

[Republicus2001]

this is NOT term limit reform! This is a relaxing of term limit rules that would otherwise cause a rolling out of almost FIFTY career politicians from the California pig trough. Not surprisingly it is precisely those elected officials that authored this bill. Just another scam by the California morditos...

[Enterprise]

I vote absentee, and I already voted no on Prop 93. That being said, it takes a lot of gall to look the voters in the eye and say that those arrogant, insolent, overpaid, overfed, egotistical, greedy, pompous jackasses in Sacramento don’t have enough time to solve problems.

[NormsRevenge]

The party leadership is mute.. ‘cept for a few... Oh wait , he is the party, huh?

The sands are running thru the Recall egg timer even now.. trade garamendi for a trojan horse and shoot for 2010? talk about a stacked deck.. at least the Senate Republicans could bunker in and fight off tax hikes..

[FightforFreedomCA]

The writing of this prop is so confusing (feigns shock). So, basically it looks like they reduce it from 14 to 12 years, but allows them to stay longer than 14? Help?

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

KFI's John and Ken were really getting it on yesterday over Arnolds's...Flip...on 93....

The language was ...colorful...and Nunez(sp?) got especially ROYAL treatment...

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

ARNOLD IS AGAINST TERM LIMITS!
Posted by The John and Ken Show @ 5:45 pm

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The Governor has gone to the dark-side to join the likes of Fabian Nunez! He’s done a lot of stupid things, but this takes the cake! Give him a call . . .

Sacramento State Capitol
Phone: 916-445-2841

Fresno Office
Phone: 559-445-5295

Los Angeles Office
Phone: 213-897-0322

Riverside Office
Phone: 951-680-6860

San Diego Office
Phone: 619-525-4641

San Francisco Office
Phone: 415-703-2218

Washington D.C. Office
Phone: 202-624-5270

Read his editorial in the LA Times

[NormsRevenge]

Good!!!

Fabian and Perata belong in jail, imo , not extended in office .. what the heck is aRnold smoking *-?

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

From the Audio files from KFI:

Arnold Flips 6PM Hr (1/14)
Gov. Arnold Flips On Prop 93

[Enterprise]

Here's what an analyst wrote about this in the primary pamphlet, and I believe it completely. And I think it is despicable for the Governor to support it.

"Proposition 93 is not reform when it has a special loophole that benefits 42 incumbent politicians who are termed out by giving them more time in office. Some politicians will even be able to serve up to 20 years in office --- just like before we passed term limits,

Proposition 93 is not reform when it lengthens terms for politicians. It doubles Assembly terms from 6 years to 12 years and makes Senate terms 50% longer --- increasing them from 8 years to 12 years.

Proposition 93 is not reform when it dramatically increases terms for more than 80% of state legislators.

Proposition 93 is not reform when powerful special interests with business before the Legislature are spending millions of dollars to pass it."

MARTHA MONTELONGO, Vice-President
California Term Limits Defense Fund
JON COUPAL, President
Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association
STEVE POIZNER California Insurance Commissioner

PROTECT TERM LIMITS

[FightforFreedomCA]

Thank you! I just got mine in the mail yesterday and haven’t had a chance to read through it.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

The podcast didn't capture what I heard on the airwaves...might be in some of the other audio segments ,,,there are two others...see here:

If you do not wish to do a true Podcast we have also made these audio files available for you to stream or download.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

If you can...listen to this:

Prop 93 3PM Hr (1/15)
Fallout Continues Over Arnold's Flip Flop

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Might as well put up the Link to the last segment:

Proposition Lies 5PM Hr (1/15)
John & Ken Explain Prop 93 Propaganda

[kellynla]

“R U READY 4 A RECALL”

(Maybe we can get it right this time.)

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Ad campaign starting this weekend I think...

This might be a useful link:

Andrew Ping
A Political Blog
01.12.08
California Voter’s Guide for the February 5, 2008 election

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Proposition 93 is filthy voter manipulation. It’s even misnamed. This Prop is the height of politicians trying to play on voter ignorance, and must be stopped. In the “yes” arguments, they quietly admit, “Some current Members [of the Assembly or Senate] could serve more than the 14 total years now allowed.” That’s right, 42 of them actually with a special loophole written in just for them!

Corrupt politicians in Sacramento want to retain their power. They’re about to be booted out of office because of term limits, which is exactly why we passed term limits to start with. It’s what voters want. By shortening the overall period of service from 14 years to 12 years, they pretend this is a tougher term limit law. It isn’t. Right now, you can spend 6 years in our State Assembly and 8 years in the Senate. This law would let you spend 12 years in either legislative body. What this does is give Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez and Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata extended time in office, as they are about to have to leave office due to current term limits. These are people who want to raise your taxes to fix their own reckless spending. They do not care about your best interests, but only their own political power.

This country was never supposed to have professional politicians. Prop 93 only hands more power to the worst legislators California has in office. Vote no on Prop 93. Visit http://stopprop93.com/ for more details.

Vote no on Props 91, 92 and especially 93 in February. Send corrupt politicians packing.

There are also Propositions 94, 95, 96 and 97 on my ballot, and these are referenda on Indian Gaming Compacts. I do not have the information as to what the proposed amendments to the compacts are, so am rendering no opinion at this time.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

listen to audio at link at #18,,,,,after the interview with Pozner...they get into the Bavarian music and reading Arnoold’s editorial with an Austrian accent...it’s a hoot.....

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

See the updates; audio links to the KFI Ken and John interviews with Pozner ...and enjoy the Music with the Reading of Arnoold’s Editorial...done with an Austrian accent...

[chaos_5]

What ever Schwarzenegger endorses, I’m voting down. RINO!

[kellynla]

“it’s a hoot”

Thanks, Ernest but I am fresh out of laughs for this Phony...
We all busted our butts off in 2003 to recall Gray Davis and this “johnny-come-lately” jumps on the bandwagon at the last moment, claims to be a “conservative” and “open up the hood” before he says what he will do to fix the problems in Sacramento and proceeds to totally screw up the entire situation more so than it was when he arrived!!!

I am beyond laughing...three more years of this idiot and the GOP won’t be able to get a dogcatcher elected much less another governor anytime in the near future....

All I can say is that’s a damn shame...

[byteback]

To confuse you even more the Liberal Marin IJ is even encouraging a NO

MarinIJ editorial

[DoughtyOne]

What with toll roads and the thermostat police on the prowl, I’m not convinced we have two and a half years.

The socialist wish list is going to get exponentially longer as this budget crisis melts down.

We better defend ourselves or we’re going to be hit with a tidal wave black water.

[kingu]

The writing of this prop is so confusing (feigns shock). So, basically it looks like they reduce it from 14 to 12 years, but allows them to stay longer than 14? Help?

It's actually pretty simple: People are limited to 12 years in legislative office. But the payload is that it resets the clock on those already facing term limits by wiping out the previous law, and starts counting the years from when it's passed. So if you have to leave the Assembly this year, that changes to 12 years from now.

Which is why I'm voting no on Prop 93. If it's such a great idea, it'll be back next year... Which it won't be, because all the liberals who are about to be kicked out will write a new term limit legislation that allows them back in.

[sheana]

Term Limits by Vince Flynn

Taking America back...one politician at a time. TERM LIMITS In one bloody night, three of Washington’s most powerful politicians are executed with surgical precision. Their assassins then deliver a shocking ultimatum to the American government: set aside partisan politics and restore power to the people. No one, they warn, is out of their reach — not even the president. A joint FBI-CIA task force reveals the killers are elite military commandos, but no one knows exactly who they are or when they will strike next. Only Michael O’Rourke, a former U.S. Marine and freshman congressman, holds a clue to the violence: a haunting incident in his own past with explosive implications for his country’s future....”Ingenious....Outpaces anything recently published, including Baldacci and Clancy.” — Florida Times-UnionIncludes an excerpt from Memorial Day, Vince Flynn’s electrifyingnew hardcover

[Domangart]

Hi, I am to stupid to know what I am doing. Please vote for me so I can be trained.

That is what I hear.

[Grampa Dave]

Besides no on 93, 94, 95, 96, 97 what is the correct vote for what else is on the ballot.

We just received our absentee ballots and the bs re what is on the ballots is amazing.

The Indian gaming props are another amazing collection of bs.

Is there a web site where we can get the real scoop on these props?

Thanks.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

The ads against 93 are showing up down here and there is a website for stopping 93....and see the links to KFI that I posted above.....

Now on the Indian gaming props....I don't have much to help...although the ads in support say the money for recommending a no vote is coming from Vegas and race tracks ...

[Grampa Dave]

“Now on the Indian gaming props....I don’t have much to help...although the ads in support say the money for recommending a no vote is coming from Vegas and race tracks ...”

The fact that the funds for the no vote is from Vegas should be enough for us to vote yes.

Thanks for your comments and link.

[Enterprise]

I looked to see if maybe Michael Reagan or Roger Hedgecock had something on their sites but I couldn’t find anything. Looking over the voter information guide seems to be the best source.

[SunkenCiv]

Schwarzenegger to endorse term-limit changes
(Prop 93, an about-face from his earlier stance)
LA Times | 1/14/08 | Jordan Rau
Posted on 01/14/2008 8:09:39 PM EST by NormsRevenge
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1953742/posts