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Countering Kerry's Orwellian History: FReeper Review of To Set the Record Straight
Original FReeper review | 01/16/2008 | Fedora

Posted on 01/16/2008 11:34:59 AM PST by Fedora

Countering Kerry’s Orwellian History

FReeper Review of Swett and Ziegler, To Set the Record Straight

By Fedora

I recently had the pleasure of reading Scott Swett and Tim Ziegler’s new book To Set the Record Straight: How Swift Boat Veterans, POWs and the New Media Defeated John Kerry (Foreword by John O’Neill, New American Media Publishing, 2008, 389pp, hardcover $29.95, ToSetTheRecordStraight.com). As someone whose research is given an acknowledgment by the authors, I would like here to share some of my reactions to this important book.

The first chapter begins with a review of John Kerry’s role in promoting Vietnam Veterans Against the War’s atrocity allegations against US troops during the Vietnam War. The chapter also highlights the media’s role in publicizing these allegations. The next chapter then relates the lesser-publicized effort of Vietnam veterans and their supporters to challenge such allegations and other negative public perceptions of the Vietnam War and its veterans. This sets the stage for a chronicle of the battle between Kerry’s supporters and critics during the 2004 campaign, which forms the heart of the book. The final chapter fills in events since the 2004 election, including controversies over recent atrocities allegations which echo Vietnam-era accusations.

For the sake of analysis, the book’s contributions to the historical record can be grouped under three headings: revelations about Kerry’s activity during his Vietnam War period and about the Vietnam era, revelations about the 2004 campaign, and revelations about the state of politics today which remain pertinent during the 2008 campaign.

The book makes important contributions to the biographical record of John Kerry’s activity during the Vietnam War and to the history of the Vietnam era. It records facts about Kerry’s military service and antiwar activity which either did not receive much publicity during the 2004 campaign or were not available at the time. In the process it documents facts relevant to the history of the Vietnam antiwar movement and the Vietnam War.

Interviews with two new witnesses provide information on the events associated with the controversy over Kerry’s third Purple Heart and his Bronze Star: Richard O’Connor, who commanded a Special Forces unit working with Kerry’s Naval team on a mission that day; and John Tackett, an Army pilot from a unit that provided aerial support to the mission. O’Connor recalls seeing Kerry after the injury prompting Kerry’s third Purple Heart, an injury O’Connor believes was caused by his own subordinate Jim Rassmann inadvisably using a fragmentation grenade instead of a smoke grenade to destroy a rice bin. Neither O’Connor nor Tackett--who had an aerial view of the scene--observed any enemy fire during the river mine incident that day that became the basis of Kerry’s third Purple Heart and Bronze Star and transfer out of Vietnam.

The book further discloses new details about Kerry’s antiwar activity, such as a report that his May 1970 meeting with North Vietnamese representatives in Paris was arranged by antiwar leader David Dellinger. This is an important detail that those familiar with Dellinger will find significant but not surprising. Dellinger, who was a key contact point between US antiwar movement delegations and foreign Communist nations in the late 1960s, had inherited this position from his mentor A.J. Muste, identified in 1957 FBI testimony to the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee as having “long fronted for Communists.” Muste became one of the earliest American pacifist leaders to join the Vietnam antiwar movement in 1963, and began leading antiwar delegations to Saigon and Hanoi in 1966. Following Muste’s death in early 1967, Dellinger took over his role organizing such delegations. As of 1970 Dellinger was coordinating communication between the North Vietnamese and American Communist groups through such conduits as the New Mobe and the Committee of Liaison with the Families of Servicemen Detained in North Vietnam (COLIFAM). Kerry evidently drifted into the orbit of the New Mobe through his work in early 1970 with the New Mobe ally the Vietnam Moratorium Committee (VMC) and with Congressional candidate Robert Drinan. This work was also what first brought him to the attention of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), which would work closely in 1971-1972 with a Communist-dominated offshoot of the New Mobe linked to Dellinger’s associate Rennie Davis, as well as with COLIFAM.

In addition to providing such details on Kerry’s military service and antiwar activity, the authors also revisit the election-eve 2004 reporting of Thomas Lipscomb and Art Moore, who quoted Naval and Harvard Law School sources indicating that Kerry received a less-than-honorable discharge which hindered his law school admissions pursuits in the 1970s. This allegation came too late in the campaign to receive the same degree of publicity and scrutiny as other aspects of Kerry’s career, but remains of interest to Kerry biographers.

Besides contributing to Kerry’s own biography, the book contributes to the history of Kerry’s antiwar colleagues with Vietnam Veterans Against the War. Historical records on the VVAW not widely publicized or not available during the 2004 campaign are incorporated into the book to provide a more complete picture of the VVAW’s ties to Communist groups and involvement in subversive activity. New or newly-publicized sources cited include a comprehensive 1972 FBI review of VVAW activity which documents the role of Stalinist and Trotskyist groups in creating and sustaining the VVAW; and two captured North Vietnamese documents illustrating collaboration between the Vietcong and a Communist front coalition the VVAW had joined in 1971, the People’s Coalition for Peace and Justice (PCPJ), descended from Dellinger’s New Mobe faction. Also cited are articles and original interviews quoting antiwar expert Max Friedman, who comments on the VVAW’s alliance with Communist leaders such as Abe Feinglass. The VVAW’s war crimes allegations against US soldiers are scrutinized against military intelligence investigations of the VVAW’s charges and found wanting in substantiation. Army investigators scrutinized 46 cases of atrocities alleged by VVAW witnesses with the result that 3 witnesses could not be identified, 25 refused to provide factual data, 13 provided information that did not support the allegations, and 5 witnesses could not be located. Navy investigators likewise found that the VVAW used fake witnesses and failed to cooperate with investigators or provide corroborating details. In no known instance did VVAW witnesses provide any information that led to a criminal indictment.

The VVAW’s war crimes allegations have relevance to the history of the Vietnam War era as a whole, a topic the book also bears on. The media’s role in promoting the VVAW’s unsubstantiated allegations reflects a broader pattern of distorting the record on Vietnam, a pattern documented in detail by the authors’ meticulous research. Different sections of the book explore the media’s role in not only broadcasting unsubstantiated war crimes allegations against US troops, but also ignoring actual Communist atrocities in Vietnam and Cambodia, misreporting the Tet Offensive to the advantage of the North Vietnamese, and using unreliable sources to fuel the stereotypical image of the “crazy Vietnam vet”. In a foreshadowing of Rathergate, the authors recall a 1988 incident involving the CBS News documentary The Wall Within, which showed Dan Rather interviewing self-proclaimed combat veterans who claimed to have committed atrocities in Vietnam. These claims were later exposed as unsubstantiated by independent researchers who took the time to check the individuals’ claims against military records. Rather than retracting its story, CBS quietly withdrew videos of The Wall Within from circulation.

Although the book makes such significant contributions to Kerry’s biography and the history of the Vietnam War era, it is primarily a chronicle of the 2004 campaign’s battle between Kerry critics and defenders, and will bring back memories for anyone who followed that battle. It recounts the efforts of the Kerry campaign and its media supporters to suppress, deny, and downplay the evidence of Kerry’s presence at a 1971 VVAW meeting where participants voted on an assassination plot against US Senators. It describes from an insider’s viewpoint how Kerry’s war crimes allegations provoked his critics to coalesce into the coalition that was spearheaded by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. In the process it documents that the Swifties were not a creation of the Bush administration or the Republican Party, contrary to their critics’ charges. It describes how critics’ efforts to suppress the Swifties’ story forced the veterans to develop an innovative public relations strategy to outflank traditional media resistance by using the Internet, an independent publisher, and local television and film distribution. It records how the Kerry campaign responded to this effort with attempts at censorship, slander, and intimidation, none of which succeeded in suppressing the Swifties’ voices. It recalls how the Swifties exposed the implausibility of Kerry’s claim to have spent Christmas 1968 in Cambodia, and how the Kerry campaign attempted to divert attention from this with evasions, backpedalling, and counterattacks on critics. It analyzes the Internet’s role in the campaign and the factor it played in exposing the false claims of Kerry’s associate David Alston and the Rathergate forgeries. It narrates how veterans organized the Kerry Lied Rally to answer Kerry’s war crimes accusations, and how veteran Steve Pitkin was moved to retract his Winter Soldier Investigation testimony. It exposes how Kerry’s supporters used intimidation tactics to attempt to suppress the anti-Kerry film Stolen Honor. The final chapter brings the reader up to date on post-2004 developments on such topics as Kerry’s unfulfilled promises to release his full military records and legal disputes over Stolen Honor and the Swift Boat Veterans tax-exempt status.

The final chapter also broaches issues with implications that extend beyond the 2004 campaign and touch on the state of politics today. Echoes of the VVAW’s Vietnam-era war crimes allegations resound in reviews of Dick Durbin’s comparison of US detention camps to Nazi and Soviet prisons, Edward Kennedy’s comparison of Abu Ghraib to Saddam Hussein’s prisons, Iraq Veterans Against the War cofounder Jimmy Massey’s debunked atrocity claims, John Murtha’s denunciations of the Haditha Marines, and John Kerry’s own characterization of US troops as uneducated. In reviewing the authors’ footnotes on these subjects, I discovered that many articles on these topics have been purged from the Internet and even libraries’ electronic databases in an apparent attempt to erase the public’s recollection of some individuals’ embarrassing statements. This underscores what for me was one of the most disturbing themes of the book: an increasingly totalitarian tendency towards the suppression of free speech in today’s political society. Kerry famously called the Bush administration “Orwellian” during the 2004 campaign, but for those of us who have actually read Orwell, the word seems more applicable to Kerry’s own Stalinist efforts to silence his critics, efforts fully supported by the Democratic National Committee in 2004. As we face another election year in 2008, we should remain vigilant against Big Brother, and grateful for those like the Swift Boat Veterans who had the courage to speak up against the Big Lie.

Finally, this last topic highlights a ray of hope offered by the book: the ability of the new media to bypass the traditional media’s censorship tactics. Swett and Ziegler’s account of the Swifties’ public relations campaign reminds us of the pivotal role the Internet, independent publishing, and independent TV-film production played in the 2004 election. Future campaign strategists will undoubtedly read this book as a case study in how to use these new communication tools effectively in today’s political world. Future voters should do the same, with the awareness of the power and responsibility that Internet access brings. Everyone really can make a difference.


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KEYWORDS: bookreview; kerry; kerry2004; liedtocongress; settherecordstraight; swett; swifties; treason; unfit; ziegler
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1 posted on 01/16/2008 11:35:06 AM PST by Fedora
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To: Interesting Times

Ping!


2 posted on 01/16/2008 11:37:13 AM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Cool!

(I have to ask something, given the quotes from the book about “fronting for Communism”.... WHY in the heck don’t we continue to point out these “fronts for Communism” these days? Because somehow it is politically incorrect now???)


3 posted on 01/16/2008 11:37:49 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: Fedora

Thanks for your review.


4 posted on 01/16/2008 11:43:38 AM PST by Diver Dave
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To: Rick.Donaldson

Partly because Kerry’s friend Robert Drinan helped eliminate HUAC back in the 70s. . .More generally, I think it’s because the political environment began to change with detente. The Reagan administration did take a step towards keeping track of front groups again, but Iran-Contra tended to reverse this trend, targeting those who were keeping track of Sandinista fronts—and once again, Kerry’s close associates were involved. A close analysis of today’s antiwar movement will reveal a similar trend. Some of the old players from the Vietnam era have been active again recently—Romesh Chandra from the World Peace Council, for instance.


5 posted on 01/16/2008 11:44:31 AM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Kerry’s daughter is still touting her “war hero” dad.
Shameful.


6 posted on 01/16/2008 11:50:22 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Fedora

I think that’s sort of my point. Antiwar groups today, and in particular those aligned with the Left tend to have funding that comes from creepy groups with hidden agendas. Once that information comes out everyone begins denying the connections, but ultimately, they tend to link back to Communist organizations, if not directly to groups in China and Russia.

I find it AMAZING - utterly incomprehensible that people hear about Hillary Clinton’s various Chinese connections and donors and people simply gloss over it like it’s “no big deal”.

The Clinton’s connections to China when Billy was in office were incredible, to the point he was giving away GPS and other information, missile information and technology to those people and yet, everyone again, glosses OVER it.

We’re headed for a run-in with China and few people see it or even care - we’ve been talking about this for YEARS within the government and without, and yet, people won’t heed what is being said.

Communism isn’t dead, by any stretch of the imagination - and it is only growing stronger, in a more silent fashion.


7 posted on 01/16/2008 11:51:50 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: Fedora

In 2004 Swift Boat Vetrans, bloggers and freepers banded together to deny the worst POS ever to run for President the election.


8 posted on 01/16/2008 11:52:10 AM PST by AU72
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To: Fedora
Q: What does pond scum scrape off its shoes?

A: John Kerry



Hey, hey; Ho, ho;
Kerry: sign the one-eight-oh

9 posted on 01/16/2008 11:52:30 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: Diver Dave

You’re welcome, and thank you for reading!


10 posted on 01/16/2008 12:03:59 PM PST by Fedora
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To: SJSAMPLE

I hadn’t heard about that. Ugh. I remember Kerry’s sister was cheerleading for him in 2004, too. Meanwhile his brother has been doing him lobbying favors at his law firm.


11 posted on 01/16/2008 12:05:47 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Rick.Donaldson

Yes. I think what happened with the fall of the Soviet Union was that the front groups began seeking new state sponsors and new causes to champion. Along with China’s ascent, influence from former East Germany tended to drive the EU in the direction of the Green Party, and Latin America also grew in importance, beginning to host the major antiwar conferences. The environmental movement came to the fore, and then the War on Terror and Iraq gave them a new cause to rally around. That’s my general view of it.


12 posted on 01/16/2008 12:10:34 PM PST by Fedora
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To: AU72

We dodged a bullet, alright.


13 posted on 01/16/2008 12:11:28 PM PST by Fedora
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To: NonValueAdded

LOL!


14 posted on 01/16/2008 12:11:44 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora
My paltry contribution to the Swift Boat Veterans was some of the best money I’ve ever spent.

If it helped defeat Jon Francois Carry, the big phony and traitor, it was money well spent. I think it was worth it.

15 posted on 01/16/2008 12:13:18 PM PST by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam.)
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To: Fedora

For a man who claims to have such a close personal relationship and “feeling” for Vietnam, and who has claimed to “speak Vietnamese”, and who has such a (spooky) apparent empathy for the country, I find it a little odd and maybe even bizarre that he seems not to have a single personal relationship or friendship with a single Vietnamese person living in America, of which there are an estimated 1.5 million refugees from the war period alone.

It seems as if the only actual relationship that John Kerry has with living and breathing Vietnamese people is with the Communists in Hanoi. That’s also a little bizarre.

Maybe that’s why the Vietnamese-American newspapers were calling him a “phan boi” (traitor) during the 2004 election.


16 posted on 01/16/2008 12:16:19 PM PST by angkor ("We are not very many mistakes away from a second Holocaust." Newt Gingrich, Nov 15 2007)
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To: Rick.Donaldson
“Communism isn’t dead, by any stretch of the imagination - and it is only growing stronger, in a more silent fashion.”

Thanks for the comments. I agree.

I’m beginning to think that leftism in all it’s forms and adherents is possibly more of a threat and danger to America and the West than Islamofascism/Nazism.

17 posted on 01/16/2008 12:18:02 PM PST by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam.)
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To: garyhope

Thanks for contributing to that effort. In WWII contributions from the home front were an equal part of the battle. That applies here, too.


18 posted on 01/16/2008 12:20:06 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora
Thanks for the review.

I also find "Orwellian" the MSM morphing "swiftboating" into a term meaning exactly the opposite of what the Swiftees actually did. The Swiftees were the truth tellers, God Bless 'em!

19 posted on 01/16/2008 12:22:50 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: angkor

You know, those are excellent points, and I don’t remember hearing much about them during 2004. Kerry must have gone out of his way to keep that quiet, and I wonder if he had help. Kerry of course played a role in pushing for normalization with Hanoi, and he and his close associates seem to have some long-standing business ties there, wonder if he also gets a political assist as part of the quid pro quo.


20 posted on 01/16/2008 12:26:11 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Any updates on the kerry-Pickens wager?


21 posted on 01/16/2008 12:27:28 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: colorado tanker

Definitely, there’s a doublespeak going on there. If a left-winger speaks out, it’s “whistle-blowing”, according to Kerry. But if a Kerry critic does it, it’s “swiftboating”.


22 posted on 01/16/2008 12:28:28 PM PST by Fedora
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To: ozzymandus; Interesting Times

Last I heard on that was back in November or so. Maybe others have more updated info? (Ping to Interesting Times on that one.)


23 posted on 01/16/2008 12:35:14 PM PST by Fedora
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To: garyhope
I’m beginning to think that leftism in all it’s forms and adherents is possibly more of a threat and danger to America and the West than Islamofascism/Nazism.

I am not sure that's completely accurate. Here's why I think this.

Islamofascism is based on a religion. Therefore it's "protected" to some extent under our own laws. Nazism is an extreme political point of view, mainly fascist in its own right, but was pulled from many different idealisms - but whatever "Nazism" was, it was certainly conspiratorial, and definitely terrorist. Nazism was Socialist in its beginning and totalitarian in its "finality".

Leftism is a combination of many things, including, but especially Socialism. Thing is, we can certainly, at least in America fight against Socialism in the ballot box (still). Those who say America has gone Socialist are wrong in that respect. Leftism is about - according to a leftist -- giving power to the people, which in and of itself isn't bad. But, by this what they mean is "democracy" with the majority ruling the minority, and they want us Conservatives to be seen as the "Nazis" and "fascists" because it makes them appear "better than the rest of us.

The truth is that Nazism, and "Leftism" is more fascist than Conservatism - and there's plenty of evidence, from the ACLU, to Unions and their behaviors, to Greenpeace and their backers. There's a massive movement in this country to indoctrinate children in schools against "guns" for instance - a battle I've personally fought and at times won, against schools locally and groups like "Hand Guns, Inc" and other Brady-like groups out to destroy gun rights.

Socialism can be argued is an economic system (it is) rather than a political system - but it turns violently usually - into Communism eventually. Or simply Fascism. Either way, it becomes a totalitarian political system, complete with "State enemies". So -- on one point you're correct, Leftism has many 'forms and adherents', but not all of them are as dangerous as people who want to completely destroy any semblance of Western Civilization, and place us all under Sharia law (however it is spelled... I'm sorry, I'm not all here today and my brain isn't working as well as it should today).

Any group that proposes that Socialism, or socialist tendencies in government are good - are quite simply wrong.

When I was in HS I had to write a paper on Socialism and "prove it was a good system". I fought tooth and nail on that, and the subject was forced on me individually. So, I wrote the paper and quoted Marx, and many other proponents of Socialism and proved it was a "good system", then on the last few pages of the forty page paper, I ripped it to shreds with all its failures, and conversions to Communism, Nazism and so forth. I got an A+ on the paper - and a scathing attack from the teacher on my stance. I told the teacher I would debate him publicly on the subject any time. That debate never came to pass and my grade stood.

I'm far from an "expert" on the subject, but I'm sufficiently well read on many subjects including various political systems - and "Leftism" (which was a good term for it) is more to me of a sickness that this country suffers than a political system.
24 posted on 01/16/2008 12:49:31 PM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: Fedora

Pickens asked for Kerry to provide some documentation, including his missing military records and his personal Vietnam diary. All quiet on the Kerry front since then...


25 posted on 01/16/2008 1:18:27 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times; ozzymandus

Thanks for the update!


26 posted on 01/16/2008 1:20:11 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora
Just saw her about four nights ago on CNN, right after he endorsed Osama Obama.
27 posted on 01/16/2008 1:26:36 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Fedora

Great review! Now I know I have to read it!


28 posted on 01/16/2008 3:41:38 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Fedora
Navy investigators likewise found that the VVAW used fake witnesses and failed to cooperate with investigators or provide corroborating details.

As I remember, the Navy CIS has stated that they have no record of any investigation of the witnesses in Kerry's "Winter Soldier Investigation. The story that they did stems from only from the hazy memory of historian Guenter Lewy, with no supporting documentation.

29 posted on 01/16/2008 3:44:10 PM PST by secretagent
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To: Fedora

Excellent review. I have this book and have started reading it - as someone who grew up in the mid ‘70s there is a LOT of stuff that I didn’t know. It really makes you MAD! Is Dellum related to Ron Dellum, and wasn’t he outed as a closet Communist?


30 posted on 01/16/2008 3:59:22 PM PST by The Right Stuff
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To: The Right Stuff

oops, Dellinger must be a different guy. So many commies, so little time!


31 posted on 01/16/2008 4:02:45 PM PST by The Right Stuff
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To: secretagent
The source is Lewy's America in Vietnam, 317. Not sure why his summary of the report would be considered "hazy"--most professional historians I know are pretty careful with that type of detail, and Lewy's account of the Army's investigation holds up against a check with the National Archives--if you have more information on that I would be interested. I have not seen the Navy CIS statement you refer to and would like to see the direct quote in context if it's available.
32 posted on 01/16/2008 7:38:59 PM PST by Fedora
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To: The Right Stuff

LOL, yeah, there’s David Dellinger and there’s Ron Dellums, two different “Del”s :-)


33 posted on 01/16/2008 7:40:20 PM PST by Fedora
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To: calcowgirl

It’s worth reading! I can only touch on the broad picture in a review, but the details are fascinating. Being reminded of some of Kerry’s tactics will make you mad all over again.


34 posted on 01/16/2008 7:52:53 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora
Excellent review. Thanks. I didn't know that some of the documents referenced in To Set The Record Straight are being removed from the internet and library databases. I hope they are being preserved somewhere else, where the enemy can't get to them.
35 posted on 01/16/2008 8:06:39 PM PST by zot
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To: Fedora

Thanks for the review, Fedora. I wish everyone would read this book. So much history. So many dots connected.


36 posted on 01/16/2008 8:25:21 PM PST by christie
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To: zot

I noticed that mainly with some recent online articles dealing with Iraq-related stuff—stuff relating to Haditha, Massey, Durbin, Murtha etc. I would guess that some of that might be libel/lawsuit-related. What struck me was that in some cases it was even being removed from the Wayback Machine. But in enough cases the originals were still around on FR or other news-clipping sites, or I had clipped them myself when they were originally posted, so I could document what was removed.


37 posted on 01/16/2008 8:35:48 PM PST by Fedora
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To: christie

Yes, it fills in a lot of gaps in the record that future historians will need to attend to. Crucial reading for future histories of Vietnam and the 2004 campaign, IMO.


38 posted on 01/16/2008 8:37:13 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora
NOTE and REMEMBER all the instances of attempted censorship and historical revisionism committed during the 2004 campaign. Now, do you have even the slightest doubt as to what truth-tellers and exposers of Hillary’s true crimes will face in 2008? Freepers, our time is coming to rise to action... I have no doubt.
39 posted on 01/16/2008 10:28:03 PM PST by Richard Axtell (Hillary "The President".... we aren't prepared for the damage she can and will do.)
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To: Fedora

I’m glad that you and others are preserving original material that otherwise would go down the memory hole.

For sure, Dan Rather and the RATs wish they had removed the counterfeit National Guard memos from the CBS website before the FReepers found them.

And I’m sure there will be need to do that sort of thing during this election year.


40 posted on 01/16/2008 10:36:10 PM PST by zot
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To: Fedora
I didn't know that some of the documents referenced in To Set The Record Straight are being removed from the internet and library databases.
I noticed that mainly with some recent online articles dealing with Iraq-related stuff—stuff relating to Haditha, Massey, Durbin, Murtha etc. I would guess that some of that might be libel/lawsuit-related. What struck me was that in some cases it was even being removed from the Wayback Machine.
Brazen. Have you read
Blacklisted by History:
The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy
and His Fight Against America's Enemies (Hardcover) by M. Stanton Evans
?
Evans asserts that a lot of the record pertaining to the McCarthy investigations has been stuffed down the memory hole. The relevant microfilm of old newspapers missing from libraries, etc.
But in enough cases the originals were still around on FR or other news-clipping sites, or I had clipped them myself when they were originally posted, so I could document what was removed.
But are they actually pruning the wayback machine! How do they expect to escape universal condemnation for that! It certainly sounds like anyone on the Internet should be able to verify your claim. Why don't you document it, posting an original article that you have a copy of and challenging people to find that article now? Best reference of all, perhaps, would be an article which still exists on the Wayback Machine version of FR but has been clipped from the wayback machine version of the original source. That would demonstrate that FR hadn't somehow jiggered its database to fabricate the article in question after the fact. I think you have a big story if you do that.

41 posted on 01/17/2008 7:43:13 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: colorado tanker; Obadiah; Mind-numbed Robot; Zacs Mom; A.Hun; johnny7; The Spirit Of Allegiance; ...
I also find "Orwellian" the MSM morphing "swiftboating" into a term meaning exactly the opposite of what the Swiftees actually did. The Swiftees were the truth tellers, God Bless 'em!
Absolutely. In fact, Newspeak abounds in our political discourse for the simple reason that we have a monopolistic Big Journalism establishment controlling the way terms are used and coined.

The bias of journalism is that journalism is all-important. To be all-important, journalism must be objective. Therefore (in Newspeak logic), journalism is objective. "Objective journalism" is one (Newspeak) word. In Newspeak there are several words for "good." "Objective" is one, but "objective" as I noted is part of the Newspeak word "objective journalism" and is not to be used to describe anyone (no matter how much they agree with journalism's perspective) not actually employed as a journalist. Indeed, if a journalist does not project the perspective of Big Journalism - well, strike that sentence because in Newspeak it is as illogical as speaking of dry water. Whoever does not project the perspective of Big Journalism is "not a journalist, not objective."

Other Newspeak words meaning "good" in Newspeak include, "liberal," "progressive," and "moderate." A person perfectly in accord with the perspective of Big Journalism but not employed as a journalist is accorded any Newspeak word for "good" which suits him - anything except "objective," that is. But let that same person - George Stephaopolis, for example - be hired as a journalist, and Shazam! Boom! Instant objectivity.

Just as the Newspeak word for "good" is not "good," the Newspeak word for bad is not "bad" - nor even, as Orwell had it, "ungood." Newspeak words for "bad" are "conservative" and "right wing." Or, for that matter, "Swift Boating."

Conservatives as FR knows and loves them are a strange breed of "conservative." They want to conserve - keep going - a revolution. In contrast to the French or Russian revolutions, the American revolution enshrined a plan for a continuous revolution. The American Revolution was about freedom - and freedom makes change inevitable. The conservative element in the American Revolution is the Constitution, and its definition of the ground rules which are to regulate change and, in a very real sense, maximize progress.

What it pleases Big Journalism to call "progressive" is in fact reactionary against the change which the American Revolution, operating through its rules enshrined in the Constitution, has unleashed. Environmentalism and its extreme form, regulation of the generation of a gas we all exhale, is patently a reaction against the development and the human expansion unleashed by American "conservatism."

The Market for Conservative-Based News


42 posted on 01/17/2008 10:23:56 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Conservatives as FR knows and loves them are a strange breed of "conservative." They want to conserve - keep going - a revolution. In contrast to the French or Russian revolutions, the American revolution enshrined a plan for a continuous revolution.

I subscribe to Barzun's theory that the left and right have switched places. The left doggedly defends the status quo, statism and socialism lite, and advocates for more of it. It's the right that stands for real reform and change these days.

43 posted on 01/17/2008 10:31:36 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

BTTT


44 posted on 01/17/2008 10:52:01 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Richard Axtell

Definitely. I think it’s very important to remember these things and keep an eye out for history repeating itself.


45 posted on 01/17/2008 5:01:24 PM PST by Fedora
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To: zot

As soon as the Rathergate forgeries got exposed, my next thought was, I bet the forgers will remember how they caught this time and hone their methods so they don’t get caught the same way next time. Keeping a step ahead of them is going to be a challenge.


46 posted on 01/17/2008 5:03:03 PM PST by Fedora
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Is that Evans book out yet? I’ve been waiting for it to come out for a while now, but the publication date kept getting pushed back. His articles that I’ve read look good. He picked up on a few things I’ve noticed in my own research that I haven’t seen anyone else cover, so I’ve been looking forward to seeing what he comes up with in the full-length treatment.

I’ve inferred that the Wayback Machine seems to have a policy that they will remove access to things under certain circumstances if the copyright owner or a party in a libel suit or other interested party requests it, because I’ve noticed them remove things on other occasions as well. In some cases there may be legitimate reasons for removing things, so I don’t assume there’s something amiss in all instances, but in this case I was surprised how frequently articles on the aforementioned group of topics were being placed out of access.


47 posted on 01/17/2008 5:14:01 PM PST by Fedora
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Oh, good, I just looked at your link and it looks like it is out! Thanks for the update on that, I’ve been wanting to get that for a while! :-)


48 posted on 01/17/2008 5:15:47 PM PST by Fedora
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion; Fedora

Thanks for the ping and both your posts c_I_c. Outstanding review, fedora. Thanks so much for all of your work, research, posts.

BUMP-TO-THE-TRUTH.


49 posted on 01/17/2008 5:35:50 PM PST by PGalt
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To: Fedora; Interesting Times
This lefty site contains a quote from Paul O'Donnell, spokesman for the NCIS:

As MMFA has previously documented, conservative historian Guenter Lewy claimed in his 1978 book, America in Vietnam, that a Naval Investigative Service report into the Winter Soldier allegations had discredited many of the witnesses and accounts, and in some cases impostors had assumed the identities of real veterans who were not present at the investigation. But Naval Criminal Investigative Service public affairs specialist Paul O'Donnell told (registration required) the Chicago Tribune: "We have not been able to confirm the existence of this report, but it's also possible that such records could have been destroyed or misplaced." And Lewy himself admitted to The Baltimore Sun that "he does not recall if he saw a copy of the naval investigative report or was briefed on its contents." Apart from Lewy's allegations, a search by MMFA turned up no other reports of evidence that any Winter Soldier witness was an impostor.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200409130003

The site above loves Kerry and wants to discredit the Swift Vets and wintersoldier.com, but I think they have this one detail correct - no NCIS report available so far.

I looked into this before, and the quote from Paul O'Donnell is real. I ran it by "Interesting Times" (Scott Swett: wintersoldier.com), and he didn't deny it, defending Lewy as a respected historian.

But respected or not, no one other than Lewy has claimed to have seen the report, and Lewy later said he couldn't even remember whether he saw the report or was just told of its conclusions by someone.

I welcome updating and correction. Perhaps the NCIS report as surfaced by now.

50 posted on 01/18/2008 12:40:13 PM PST by secretagent
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