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Hillary's Spiritual Formation (book excerpt)
Christianity (Astray) Today ^ | 12/11/07 | Paul Kengor

Posted on 01/16/2008 4:11:49 PM PST by Terriergal

For much of Hillary's youth, [her father] Hugh was the only male influence on her life that had any real bearing. Her views, her political ideas, her religion—all this was filtered through Hugh, as he helped shape her sense of the world and her sense of self. But all that changed dramatically when she was thirteen, and the Reverend Don Jones, a Methodist minister, entered her life.

She began dropping by Jones's office after school or during summer afternoons, eager to talk about ideas or insights she culled from the youth minister and his sermons. According to Roger Morris, biographer of the Clintons, Jones had her read Tillich, Niebuhr, Soren Kierkegaard, and Dietrich Bonhoeffer, and they had lengthy, increasingly serious discussions. "She was curious," says Jones. "She was just insatiable."

Jones took from Hillary's study of his good works, adding this important insight: "She is very much the sort of Christian who understands that the use of power to achieve social good is legitimate."

(Excerpt) Read more at christianitytoday.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alinsky; dncfalseprophets; election; evil; hillary; hillaryandgod; newage; religiousleft; spiritualformation; umc
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Jones took from Hillary's study of his good works, adding this important insight: "She is very much the sort of Christian who understands that the use of power to achieve social good is legitimate."

That's scary. So is Christianity Astray trying to help Hillary out now?

they had lengthy, increasingly serious discussions. "She was curious," says Jones. "She was just insatiable."

I dunno... insatiable teenage girl frequently visiting youth pastor's office?

1 posted on 01/16/2008 4:11:50 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Terriergal

WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!!!! Christ taught us all that we should give willingly. Give to the state what is the states, but give willingly. A forced or coerced giving is not giving at all.


2 posted on 01/16/2008 4:15:38 PM PST by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: vpintheak

At 13, she was reading Philosphy books??...Me thinks not..


3 posted on 01/16/2008 4:27:52 PM PST by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Terriergal
...her quest to express her faith through social action.

And damn anyone who got in her way.

4 posted on 01/16/2008 4:27:53 PM PST by stayathomemom
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To: vpintheak

Yup!

You will notice that much of Christendom is starting to buy this lie though!


5 posted on 01/16/2008 4:30:08 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Sacajaweau
At 13, she was reading Philosphy books??...Me thinks not..

She's the smartest woman in the world isn't she??? /sarc

6 posted on 01/16/2008 4:30:37 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: stayathomemom

Hey that’s the standard M.O. for lots of Christian leaders these days, so apparently she figures she’s in good company. I wouldn’t doubt if Rick Warren personally helped her be more ‘purpose driven’ while she was out at Saddleback for that AIDS conference.


7 posted on 01/16/2008 4:31:28 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Terriergal
"She is very much the sort of Christian who understands that the use of power to achieve social good is legitimate."

How is this, in practice, any different to Islam and it's political/religious intertwining?

8 posted on 01/16/2008 4:34:44 PM PST by stayathomemom
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To: Terriergal

He “embraced her?” Hm, and what did she do to him?

I wouldn’t put anything past Hillary.

Surprised that she wasn’t a follower of Marxist Jim Jones of Jonestown massacre fame. One of her Communist Party lawyer friends was, Charles R. Gary, along with another attorney and CPUSA supporter, if not member, Mark Lane.

Yes, Hillary really knows how to pick her mentors. Alinsky (I’ve met him); Gary (I met his buddy Kunstler); Soros (may he drop dead yesterday); Morton Halperin (not on our side); Johnetta Cole (a Castro propagandist and possible DGI operative); Rev. Benjamin Chavis (once a UCC Christian; then a Black Moslem under Calypso Louie) and a VP of a major CPUSA front, the National Alliance Against Racist & Political Repression). And the list goes on!!


9 posted on 01/16/2008 4:39:02 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Madmax, the Grinning Reaper)
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To: Sacajaweau

At 13, she was reading Philosphy books??...Me thinks not..

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Well, it is not impossible, I am personally acquainted with one thirteen year old MAN who looks at first glance to be at least eighteen and acts more mature than most 30 year olds I know.


10 posted on 01/16/2008 5:10:48 PM PST by RipSawyer (Does anyone still believe this is a free country?)
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To: Terriergal

Hmmmm. Robert Johnson’s Spiritual Formation. Dorian Gray’s Spiritual Formation. HRC’s Spiritual Formation.


11 posted on 01/16/2008 5:10:49 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Terriergal

I suspect she was just fishing for buzz-words, ways to phrase things etc that would appeal to Christians. Plus, she got a fawning article.


12 posted on 01/16/2008 5:19:26 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: RipSawyer
Hillary is not a particularly religious person which is what gives me grave doubts. And discussing it with the pastor....in private...gives me greater doubt.

I think I'd be pretty upset if my 13 year old said she was going to the pastor's house to talk about philosophy....In fact, it wouldn't happen.

13 posted on 01/16/2008 5:21:57 PM PST by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Terriergal

“Christianity Astray”! Ha - I love it! That’s about the funniest thing I’ve read in a week. It’s the magazine for those who think “The Message” is Scripture. Good grief.


14 posted on 01/16/2008 5:29:55 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Terriergal

Social good is like pudding; you have to be outside the bowl to see it.


15 posted on 01/16/2008 5:35:55 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Terriergal; Liberty Valance

“Jones took from Hillary’s study of his good works, adding this important insight: ‘She is very much the sort of Christian who understands that the use of power to achieve social good is legitimate.’”

May the real God protect us from bastards like Hillary and Jones.


16 posted on 01/16/2008 5:40:14 PM PST by Brucifer (G. W. Bush "The dog ate my copy of the Constitution.")
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To: Terriergal

Interesting article.
The Reverend Don Jones really invested a lot in philosophical exploration with the young Hillary.

Funny, he never mentioned Jesus once in the article. Not once.

That’s the man who said, “No man comes to The Father but by men.”


17 posted on 01/16/2008 5:56:26 PM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: Terriergal
"She was bi-curious," says Jones. "She was just insatiable."
18 posted on 01/16/2008 6:54:49 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Terriergal
For a couple of years starting when Clinton was 13, Jones tutored her and about 60 other teenagers every Sunday and Thursday night on e.e. cummings and T.S. Eliot, Dostoyevsky and Bob Dylan. He called his lessons "the University of Life."

The Boston Globe

19 posted on 01/16/2008 7:24:09 PM PST by pjsbro
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To: pjsbro
"I thought of all the youth, she was probably the most open-minded," recalled the minister, Don Jones, now 76.

Uhuh... which, translated, means "she was the least interested in what the Bible ACTUALLY says."

Seems to me I recall a good pastor around here having gone through a real disillusionment at that time because his methodist pastor was telling him the Bible was just fairytales. I wonder if that happened to Swillary's bunch?

20 posted on 01/16/2008 7:31:29 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: gitmo

but by men?


21 posted on 01/16/2008 7:32:25 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Terriergal
In January 1963, Hillary Rodham went with her youth minister into Chicago to hear a southern black minister who was seen as a dangerous "rabble-rouser" by the middle-class white society of Park Ridge: Martin Luther King Jr.

Hillary was 15. The minister, Don Jones, did not ask permission from the parents of the 20 children he shepherded, and Hillary probably did not dare ask her father, who surely would have seen such a trip as going over the wall. "I wanted them to become aware of the social revolution that was taking place," says Jones. "Here was the major leader of that movement, a Protestant preacher, coming to town. It was an opportunity for them to meet a great person."

From the book Hillary's Choice by Gail Sheehy. Copyright 1999 by G. Merritt Corporation. Reprinted with permission of Random House Inc.

Quite a guy, this fellow Jones. More stuff about Jones.

22 posted on 01/16/2008 7:33:36 PM PST by pjsbro
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To: Old Professer
Social good is like pudding; you have to be outside the bowl to see it.

Uh... That one is going right over my head.

23 posted on 01/16/2008 7:33:49 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: ModelBreaker

Ya think???!

:-)


24 posted on 01/16/2008 7:34:33 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: ModelBreaker

I just escaped a denomination that teaches ‘spiritual formation.’


25 posted on 01/16/2008 7:35:05 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Terriergal

I wonder what kind of ‘pastor’ considers defending partial birth infanticide as ‘social good’? God have mercy upon us ...


26 posted on 01/16/2008 7:35:29 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: RipSawyer
Well, it is not impossible, I am personally acquainted with one thirteen year old MAN who looks at first glance to be at least eighteen and acts more mature than most 30 year olds I know.

yes... does he remind you of Hillary Clinton in any way>?

27 posted on 01/16/2008 7:36:29 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: RipSawyer
Well, it is not impossible, I am personally acquainted with one thirteen year old MAN who looks at first glance to be at least eighteen and acts more mature than most 30 year olds I know.

I'm personally married to one who was like that, too... but he ain't no liberal.

28 posted on 01/16/2008 7:36:54 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Terriergal

As a minister, maybe one of the “Ten Commandments” should have taken greater hold in guiding her political career.

THOU SHALL NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR’S GOODS

Seems when she talks about taking things from us for the common good that she looked over that pesky little Commandment of God’s. :-)


29 posted on 01/16/2008 7:37:27 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Allan

fya


30 posted on 01/16/2008 7:38:59 PM PST by ARridgerunner
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To: Max Friedman
You forgot Jim Wallis

31 posted on 01/16/2008 7:39:06 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Terriergal
Reading Kierkegaard at 13?

Uh huh.

32 posted on 01/16/2008 7:39:09 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (Don't taze me, bro!!)
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To: A CA Guy

Oh no she’s not coveting them for herself, it’s for the children!!


33 posted on 01/16/2008 7:43:44 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

She’s smart remember... ;-)


34 posted on 01/16/2008 7:45:41 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Or shall I say “she’s smarter than the rest of us peons, remember?” ;-)


35 posted on 01/16/2008 7:46:06 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Terriergal
If it’s for the Children, then she had better steer clear of that other one of the pesky Ten Commandments.

Thou Shall NOT Have Strange God’s Before ME!

She’s is helping push moral relativism, humanism and the religion of environmentalism through social engineering in public schools...for the children.

36 posted on 01/16/2008 7:48:15 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Terriergal
Has her holiness begun carrying a 10-pound Bible under her arm at campaign stops yet?

Leni

37 posted on 01/16/2008 7:50:46 PM PST by MinuteGal (Watch For a New Freepathon Contest Announcement this Weekend! You Win and FR Wins!)
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To: Terriergal

yes... does he remind you of Hillary Clinton in any way>?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No, he reminds me of a rare creature, a totally sincere preacher, which he probably will be in a few years.


38 posted on 01/17/2008 3:05:04 AM PST by RipSawyer (Does anyone still believe this is a free country?)
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To: Terriergal

but he ain’t no liberal.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The fellow I know ain’t no liberal, either.


39 posted on 01/17/2008 3:06:56 AM PST by RipSawyer (Does anyone still believe this is a free country?)
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To: vpintheak
"Give to the state what is the states, but give willingly"

If my memory is working, it is: "Why do you trouble me with such things? Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's; Render unto the Lord that which is his."

40 posted on 01/17/2008 4:05:26 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Terriergal

That’s why I don’t get to write Scriptures.


41 posted on 01/17/2008 3:14:40 PM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: Terriergal

Sometimes I try to forget this poor excuse for a human being. He is one of the closet “liberation theology” supporters, like a well done steak that looks so good, but still pink on the inside.


42 posted on 01/17/2008 4:08:37 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Madmax, the Grinning Reaper)
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To: Max Friedman

Wait a minute... I like rare steak.


43 posted on 01/17/2008 8:43:15 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: gitmo

lol!


44 posted on 01/17/2008 8:43:34 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: RipSawyer
The fellow I know ain’t no liberal, either.

Well there ya go then! :-)

45 posted on 01/17/2008 8:46:28 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: RipSawyer

See? There is no comparison.


46 posted on 01/17/2008 8:46:56 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Sacajaweau; Terriergal

Was she reading these philosophy books after she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary or after? Before or after she wanted to join the military? I like to keep the timeline straight.


47 posted on 01/18/2008 6:45:42 AM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: GOPPachyderm

This was just a few years after her “I wannabe an astronaut”. (She heard astronauts didn’t have to iron their suits”.)


48 posted on 01/18/2008 6:51:38 AM PST by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Max Friedman; Terriergal

Hillary’s life-changing hero was Saul Alinsky, the radical University of Chicago-trained social scientist. Obama’s teachers in his own early “community organizing” experience in Chicago were schooled in “the Alinsky method,” which Alinsky himself described as “rubbing raw the sores of discontent.”

Obama’s trainer, Mike Kruglik, described Omaba as the best student he ever had.

And the architect of Obama’s “grass roots” organizing campaign is none other than highly-placed Alinsky-ite, Marshall Ganz.

Funny, isn’t it, how it all coincidentally fits together....?


49 posted on 01/18/2008 6:53:29 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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To: Sacajaweau

lol


50 posted on 01/18/2008 7:00:52 AM PST by GOPPachyderm
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