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ACLU Backs Gay Sex in Public Toilets under "Privacy" Provisions
LifeSiteNews ^ | 1/16/08 | Hilary White

Posted on 01/16/2008 4:21:05 PM PST by wagglebee

MINNEAPOLIS, January 16, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The American Civil Liberties Union is arguing that men who have sex in public washrooms should be protected under court rulings guaranteeing privacy.

On Tuesday, the ACLU filed an amicus brief to the Minnesota 4th District Court citing a Minnesota Supreme Court ruling 38 years ago that found that people who have sex in closed stalls in public restrooms "have a reasonable expectation of privacy."

The brief was filed in defence of Republican Senator Larry Craig who was arrested and charged with lewd conduct in June 2007.

ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero said, "The real motive behind secret sting operations like the one that resulted in Sen. Craig's arrest is not to stop people from inappropriate activity. It is to make as many arrests as possible - arrests that sometimes unconstitutionally trap innocent people." Solicitation for private sex is protected speech under the First Amendment, the ACLU argues.

Romero wrote, "If the police really want to stop people from having sex in public bathrooms, they should put up a sign banning sex in the restroom and send in a uniformed officer to patrol periodically. That works."

But Patrick Hogan of the Metropolitan Airports Commission said Monday that Craig's arrest and at least 41 similar arrests were made lawfully. "Engaging in public sex in a bathroom is a crime and most people understand that without putting up a sign," Hogan said.

"We saw a lot of communication about this particular bathroom on Web sites, and if we make it known that we're aware of it we can't be expected to enforce the law as effectively."

Hogan added, "We believe the charges fit the crime and Sen. Craig agreed to the charges as part of plea negotiations."

Craig, widely regarded before his arrest as a family-values conservative, was arrested for lewd conduct in a men's bathroom on June 11, 2007. He pleaded guilty to a lesser charge of disorderly conduct on August 8, 2007.

The ACLU's defence of homosexual sex in public will come as no surprise to those who have followed its years of work as one of the strongest supporters of the homosexual movement. It has also been in the forefront of the perennial efforts by secularists and the hard left to ban public displays of Christianity, particularly at Christmas. Nativity scenes and the Ten Commandments, mentions of God or Christian themes in public speeches at schools and colleges, and the teaching of alternatives to Darwinian theory have all come under attack from the organisation.

A movement opposing the anti-Christian and anti-family work of the ACLU is gaining steam in the US.

In 2006, the American Legion, the largest veterans organization in the US, called on the government to stop funding the ACLU's efforts to abolish traditional expressions of Christianity. District 21 Commander Rees Lloyd, on behalf of the Legion, testified to the Senate in support of a bill that would remove the power to award taxpayer-paid attorney fees to the ACLU.

"Benevolently intended fee provisions are being used as a bludgeon against public entities to surrender to ACLU's demands, and being used to obtain profits in the millions."

Read related LifeSiteNews.com coverage:

American Legion Urges Senate to Protect Public Expression of Religion
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/aug/06080307.html

ACLU Founder a Communist Ideologue Bent on Uprooting Judeo-Christian Foundation of America
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/sep/05092102.html



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aclu; homosexualagenda; larrycraig; moralabsolutes
Privacy aside, public restrooms are PUBLIC places.
1 posted on 01/16/2008 4:21:08 PM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 01/16/2008 4:21:29 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I heard that ACLU prefers all of its deliveries in the rear. :)


3 posted on 01/16/2008 4:23:22 PM PST by hippyhater
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To: wagglebee

So the American Criminal Liberties Union apparently does not believe that lewd conduct in a public place, is not a crime. A lot of states will have to amend their penal codes, should this come to pass.


4 posted on 01/16/2008 4:23:34 PM PST by Signalman
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To: Bobkk47

should read:

“So the American Criminal Liberties Union apparently does not believe that lewd conduct in a public place, IS a crime.”


5 posted on 01/16/2008 4:24:45 PM PST by Signalman
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To: hippyhater

The ACLU is promoting all the wrong ideas. May they die of aids.


6 posted on 01/16/2008 4:25:00 PM PST by Loud Mime (It is easier to wash dirt off your hands than blood = Gladiator)
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To: hippyhater

Good to see the ACLU take a wide stance on the topic...


7 posted on 01/16/2008 4:26:01 PM PST by llevrok (Drink your beer, damnit! There are sober people in Africa!)
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To: Bobkk47

penal codes indeed.


8 posted on 01/16/2008 4:26:18 PM PST by LukeL
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To: wagglebee
I just want to hear Bush admit that he was wrong about saying we are not slouching toward Gomorrah.

As for public restrooms being public places, that is partially true. The stall is a private place, or I would hope so. Even still, it is a place provided for potty and poo, not for sex. CLEARLY!

9 posted on 01/16/2008 4:28:06 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: wagglebee
This is satire... right?

The American Civil Liberties Union is arguing that men who have sex in public washrooms should be protected under court rulings guaranteeing privacy.

Seriously, is it some kind of game for the ACLU to see just how absurd they can make their lawsuits, and just how much they can get away with?

10 posted on 01/16/2008 4:28:10 PM PST by Zero Sum (Liberalism: The damage ends up being a thousand times the benefit! (apologies to Rabbi Benny Lau))
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To: wagglebee

Which makes perfect sense to the ACLU.

Contorting into pretzels over public displays of Christianity...but public displays of sex, by any group is hunky dory.

The ACLU is kinda like the U.N.

Absolutely a worthless drain on our society.


11 posted on 01/16/2008 4:28:38 PM PST by tpanther
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To: Loud Mime

Has anyone done a background check on Romero? He has had some interesting affiliations.


12 posted on 01/16/2008 4:28:48 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Madmax, the Grinning Reaper)
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To: wagglebee
The American Civil Liberties Union is arguing that men who have sex in public washrooms should be protected under court rulings guaranteeing privacy.

This is an act.

Solicitation for private sex is protected speech under the First Amendment, the ACLU argues.

This is solicitation, not an act.

Romero wrote, "If the police really want to stop people from having sex in public bathrooms, they should put up a sign banning sex in the restroom and send in a uniformed officer to patrol periodically. That works."

Kind of like "No Smoking" signs in public restrooms and bullet-ridden "Neighborhood Watch" signs?

But Patrick Hogan of the Metropolitan Airports Commission said Monday that Craig's arrest and at least 41 similar arrests were made lawfully. "Engaging in public sex in a bathroom is a crime and most people understand that without putting up a sign," Hogan said.

Referring to the act.

The ACLU's defence of homosexual sex in public will come as no surprise to those who have followed its years of work as one of the strongest supporters of the homosexual movement. It has also been in the forefront of the perennial efforts by secularists and the hard left to ban public displays of Christianity, particularly at Christmas. Nativity scenes and the Ten Commandments, mentions of God or Christian themes in public speeches at schools and colleges, and the teaching of alternatives to Darwinian theory have all come under attack from the organisation.

It's become too familiar to be dismissed as mere--or casual--coincidence.
13 posted on 01/16/2008 4:29:42 PM PST by Das Outsider ("Fools are paramount in politics..."--Kenneth Minogue)
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To: wagglebee
Image hosted by Photobucket.com if i can see or hear you... it's NOT private!!!
14 posted on 01/16/2008 4:30:07 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

You’re right, the stall is private, but would you want to take a young child to the restroom and have to explain the disgusting noises coming from the next stall?


15 posted on 01/16/2008 4:30:26 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

This will go down in the anals of ......


16 posted on 01/16/2008 4:30:29 PM PST by umgud (Thompson/Hunter '08)
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To: wagglebee

One of my former bosses will be so pleased...


17 posted on 01/16/2008 4:31:42 PM PST by null and void (Conservatives are tired of being sucked up to every 4 years and stabbed in the back for the next 3.)
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To: wagglebee

Absolutely not. If I didn’t make that clear I’m very sorry. I think their position is APPALLING!!!!! I was just trying to formulate the argument in my mind. We have to address it head on if we want to fight this.


18 posted on 01/16/2008 4:37:04 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: wagglebee

ACLU: defending the indefensible


19 posted on 01/16/2008 4:38:25 PM PST by Brian S. Fitzgerald ("We're going to drag that ship over the mountain.")
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To: Max Friedman
Has anyone done a background check on Romero? He has had some interesting affiliations.

Uh, yeah. One could say that! Is there a Lenin-Romero marriage somewhere on Mr. Romero's family tree?

I kid because I've done a little family history on the Ulyanov family--but you get the point. ;)

Maybe Stalins hanging from the branches?
20 posted on 01/16/2008 4:39:59 PM PST by Das Outsider ("Fools are paramount in politics..."--Kenneth Minogue)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

I didn’t think you were defending it, I was just pointing out a very probable scenario.


21 posted on 01/16/2008 4:40:10 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

“What two consenting adults do in the privacy of a restroom stall is.......”

Nothing but a bunch of sick freaks.


22 posted on 01/16/2008 4:43:36 PM PST by Gator113 (My short list..Fred, Hunter, Romney.)
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To: wagglebee

Who said you can’t get VD from a toilet seat??

This is disgusting.


23 posted on 01/16/2008 4:44:01 PM PST by o_zarkman44 (No Bull in 08!)
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To: wagglebee
"[Anthony] Romero is the ACLU's sixth executive director, and the first Latino and openly gay man to serve in that capacity."

A rat smells its own hole.


24 posted on 01/16/2008 4:47:53 PM PST by quark
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To: hippyhater

It would seem that the aclu has been infected with butt flu.And all this time I thought it was liberalism.


25 posted on 01/16/2008 4:48:16 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: wagglebee

(Cue cheesy techno music).


26 posted on 01/16/2008 4:49:01 PM PST by Clemenza (Ronald Reagan was a "Free Traitor", Like Me ;-))
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To: wagglebee

When you are a Republican and the ACLU is trying to help you it is time to step down.


27 posted on 01/16/2008 4:49:22 PM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: Das Outsider

I have to check my files but I remember Romero as supporting various communist fronts and united fronts for many years.

I suspect that he has been in lawsuits with the marxist-created Center for Constitutional Rights, the National Lawyers Guild, and related leftist legal entities, as well as supporting the united anti-Iraq fronts of the WWP/ANSWER/IAC, and United for Peace & Justice. (Some lists of sponsors of these groups have removed from their websites. Wonder why?)

I’ll see what I can find.


28 posted on 01/16/2008 4:50:12 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Madmax, the Grinning Reaper)
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To: wagglebee

Go get a room!

People should not be solicited for homosexual sex in a public facility.


29 posted on 01/16/2008 4:52:22 PM PST by popdonnelly (Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
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To: wagglebee

OMFG!


30 posted on 01/16/2008 4:52:54 PM PST by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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To: wagglebee

How about if somebody starts a lawsuit to allow sex on the desks at the ACLU offices?... /s


31 posted on 01/16/2008 4:53:00 PM PST by billmor
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To: Das Outsider

“Solicitation for private sex is protected speech under the First Amendment, the ACLU argues.”

Let’s examine this a little closer.

Soliciting sex is often called “prostitution” if money is exchanged.

“Protected speech”? Something else should be protected.

How can you have “protected speech” if your mouth is full? Not saying anything, are you? Therefore, no “speech”, protected or unprotected.

Isn’t this the best way to spread veneral disease? Thus the ACLU is promoting unsafe and dangerous sexual practices that pose a danger to the public. Therefore they are “aiding and abetting” criminal behavior and dangerous health behavior.

Somebody call the CDC on these leftist a*holes. Oh, I forgot, that is what the ACLU is protecting.


32 posted on 01/16/2008 4:57:56 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Madmax, the Grinning Reaper)
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To: Max Friedman
I have to check my files but I remember Romero as supporting various communist fronts and united fronts for many years.

At least fifteen years or so. It's very difficult to view the ACLU as an objective Constititional rights-based organization when they continue to hire CPUSA chairman types.

This isn't the 1950s anymore, i.e., a global war between capitalist and Communist ideologies, so what's with all of the Communist affiliations?

You and I both know the answer. Lenin made it quite clear. These are his surrogate children and grandchildren, if you will.
33 posted on 01/16/2008 4:58:41 PM PST by Das Outsider ("Fools are paramount in politics..."--Kenneth Minogue)
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To: Max Friedman
Soliciting sex is often called “prostitution” if money is exchanged.

And the difference is in the 'if.'

Isn’t this the best way to spread veneral disease? Thus the ACLU is promoting unsafe and dangerous sexual practices that pose a danger to the public. Therefore they are “aiding and abetting” criminal behavior and dangerous health behavior.

Knowing the ACLU, disease-as-speech may be considered defensible. Who are you to restrict just how one expresses their viruses?
34 posted on 01/16/2008 5:02:08 PM PST by Das Outsider ("Fools are paramount in politics..."--Kenneth Minogue)
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To: Das Outsider

Re the “if”. No one knows what goes on “behind closed doors” (sorry, Charlie Pride).

Some of these chickenhawks ain’t out there doing this for pleasure.

I have nothing against viruses except, like communists and Islamofascist, they can kill you.

Besides, all that, you have no idea what is on that toilet seat. As my granddaughter would say, it’s “disgusting, yukey, nasty.”

I guess the ACLU’s theme is “I’ll protect your rights to bend over, anywhere, anytime, with anyone.”


35 posted on 01/16/2008 5:26:17 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Madmax, the Grinning Reaper)
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To: Max Friedman
Re the “if”. No one knows what goes on “behind closed doors” (sorry, Charlie Pride).

However, law enforcement does. The offer of exchanging money for sexual acts is the clincher in prostitution stings. Mere soliciation without an offer of an exchange of money for services leaves one with the burden of having to resort to legal violations regarding lewd and lascivious conduct, provided the said conduct is witnessed. Ask George Michael.
36 posted on 01/16/2008 5:32:07 PM PST by Das Outsider ("Fools are paramount in politics..."--Kenneth Minogue)
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To: wagglebee
While I completely disagree that this solicitation and engaging in sex in a public toilet is protected speech, this statement bothers me:

"We saw a lot of communication about this particular bathroom on Web sites, and if we make it known that we're aware of it we can't be expected to enforce the law as effectively."

Is the goal to "enforce the law", or end the conduct? This statement makes it sound like the preferred outcome for the LE community is an arrest rather than a voluntary choice to not engage in disgusting behavior. I guess the argument is that if they somehow got the word out that this place was under surveillance, the pervs would just go elsewhere. But that is what happens anyway after arrests are made.

37 posted on 01/16/2008 5:45:52 PM PST by jdub
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To: wagglebee

Well, gollllleeee, Sargeant Carter! Isn’t that just great?


38 posted on 01/16/2008 6:35:19 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Das Outsider

I love it when you talk “legal”.

I’m a paralegal in one of my incarnations. The govt actually calls me a “historian” but I’m still a research paralegal at heart (environmental CERCLA cases). But no “cite checking” for me.


39 posted on 01/16/2008 7:30:31 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Madmax, the Grinning Reaper)
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To: Max Friedman
I love it when you talk “legal”.

(Judas Priest's "Breaking the Law" playing in the background)

I'm just an amateur researcher my friend, but I think I can sympathize. ;)
40 posted on 01/16/2008 7:46:35 PM PST by Das Outsider ("Fools are paramount in politics..."--Kenneth Minogue)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past; wagglebee
I was just trying to formulate the argument in my mind. We have to address it head on if we want to fight this.

This may help you with your formulation...

ACLU Hypocrisy on Privacy
41 posted on 01/17/2008 1:52:54 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: wagglebee

In the out door is legal in restrooms? Something stinks here.


42 posted on 01/17/2008 1:56:43 PM PST by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: wagglebee

I am guessing (SARC) there are several homos in the ACLU since this is a part of their sexual preference/places lifestyle. Assuming the ingestion of feces is one reason the deviants meet in these places. Disgusting, but it ain’t the hollywood marketing of the will and grace show.


43 posted on 01/18/2008 8:03:05 AM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
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To: wagglebee

44 posted on 01/22/2008 5:29:56 PM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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