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A “study” claims guns being stored unsafely: what would Mark Twain say?
http://wmbriggs.com/blog/2008/01/16/a-study-claims-guns-being-stored-unsafely-what-would-mark-twain-say/ ^ | WM Briggs

Posted on 01/17/2008 3:27:11 AM PST by mattstat

Another one of those “studies” showing that guns might be unsafe (who knew?) has come out. Here’s a quote: “Over 70 percent of families surveyed reported not storing their firearms safely in their residence,” said Robert DuRant of the Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center. “This concerns us a great deal because having guns in the home increases the likelihood that they will be used in a suicide or unintentional injury.”

The good doctor would have also wanted to point out, I am sure, that, if a family didn’t have a gun in the house, then of course that missing gun would not be very dangerous. Indeed, one of the “study’s” most prescient conclusions was that the “safest practice would be to remove guns from the house.”

These guys, these “researchers”, never seem to remember that Mark Twain was ahead of all of them, warning people way back in 1882 about the inherent dangerousness of guns in the house:

Don’t meddle with old unloaded firearms. They are the most deadly and unerring things that have ever been created by man...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
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1 posted on 01/17/2008 3:27:18 AM PST by mattstat
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To: mattstat

What if the “study” asked the question this way:

“Do you believe that, on the grounds of unsafe storage, you should be forced to give up your gun?”

Because that’s what the “study” is REALLY all about.


2 posted on 01/17/2008 3:40:48 AM PST by samtheman
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To: mattstat

Well, just in case dear sweat gray-haired old granny comes sneaking into my bedroom late at night with the intent of robbing me and harming my family, then I think I’ll continue to keep that old maintained free of rust and definitely loaded firearm next to my bed.


3 posted on 01/17/2008 3:43:23 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: mattstat
Stored safely? To whom?

How about stored correctly?
How about stored effectively?
Are these arms the primary weapon currently being used for personal protection?

How about kept safely? - What is meant by “stored?”

4 posted on 01/17/2008 3:48:35 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: samtheman

your grandchildren ( and your grown up kids ) grew up and learned behavior from television ( shudder )

kids ( people?) who have learned behavior from television are likely to handle a real gun just like they have seen on TV

we at the NRA would like to teach all children gun safety and we have our Eddie Eagle program for that purpose

but this is generally suppressed by the establishment simply because “guns are bad” and we don’t want to encourage children to take an interest in guns

then they snap on their televisions

do we have anything that resembles a brain that works?

or are we all just little automatons


5 posted on 01/17/2008 3:49:07 AM PST by Mike Acker
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To: mattstat
Liberal gun owners responding to the poll.
6 posted on 01/17/2008 3:52:58 AM PST by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: mattstat
They didn't ask people "are your guns stored unsafely?", they asked "are your guns locked away, disassembled, with the ammo in a separate locked container?", and marked every "no" as "unsafe"

They probably counted every "go to hell" as "unsafe" as well

7 posted on 01/17/2008 3:53:04 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty)
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To: Mike Acker

It’s not just the fault of television, though that’s a big factor in the dumbing down of our nation, of course.

You also have to look at the schools, owned and operated by the NEA, as mean and as leftist and as anti-child, anti-learning, anti-education, anti-free-speech a group as you can imagine.

The NEA is actively working to make America as stupid as possible so that it will look at a flapdoodle scarecrow like the Mullah Obama and see in him... (I kid you not)... GREATNESS!

PS: The NEA loves Huckabee.


8 posted on 01/17/2008 3:53:17 AM PST by samtheman
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To: mattstat

do they ever define “safe storage”?


9 posted on 01/17/2008 3:53:35 AM PST by joe fonebone (When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout)
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To: bill1952
What is meant by “stored?”

Not 'skinning' it till it's necessary...

10 posted on 01/17/2008 3:53:41 AM PST by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: SauronOfMordor
They probably counted every "go to hell" as "unsafe" as well
LOL!
11 posted on 01/17/2008 3:54:09 AM PST by samtheman
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To: bill1952

How about: I am a competent free adult, with enough firearms training to teach police, with my own home and a family to protect - it’s none of yer G- D- business how I store my guns, and if you disagree with how I do yer probably one of the people who give me reason to do so.


12 posted on 01/17/2008 3:56:34 AM PST by ctdonath2 (GWB wept for those who suffer. HRC wept for herself.)
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To: mattstat
What would Mark Twain say?

Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."

13 posted on 01/17/2008 3:58:41 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Being an idealist excuses nothing. Hitler was an idealist.)
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To: mattstat

Spending my money on this kind of study along with all the other wasteful b.s. studies?
What is wrong with this picture?
Quit spending my money you turd congress critters.


14 posted on 01/17/2008 4:07:38 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: mattstat

I will bet that this is “push poll” type of study. I bet that the researchers never asked if the guns in their home were stored “safely” but simply asked if the guns were stored loaded or unlocked.

Then the “researchers” defined loaded or unlocked as “unsafe”.

This is not research, it is political manipulation.


15 posted on 01/17/2008 4:15:06 AM PST by marktwain
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To: mattstat

I have a weapon stored “SAFELY” under my bed and in the nightstand .


16 posted on 01/17/2008 4:20:18 AM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: SauronOfMordor
They probably counted every "go to hell" as "unsafe" as well

I bet they counted my one-word response on the Doctor's Questionaire as a "No".

"Do you own firearms?"

"Suck."

17 posted on 01/17/2008 4:22:16 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: mattstat

“Science” is discrediting itself on a daily basis with these “studies”. The MSM is down to under 20% of Americans believing them and 80% believing that the MSM is trying to influence public opinion, ie the MSM has it’s own agenda. This is the path that “science” is on with it’s Global Warming “studies”, with it’s “Iraq death studies in the Lancet”, with it’s “food is dangerous” studies and on and on and on. The public is going to see “Science” having a political agenda and dismiss its “studies”. It’s going to be the boy who called wolf too many times.


18 posted on 01/17/2008 4:28:25 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: mattstat
A loaded gun in the open is safe in a home of a gun trained family. The only reason people no longer display their weapons and lock them away (except in marxist locations within America) is because of the drug addicts that will come and steal them... and the perp may live next door or even in your own home. There is the problem... NOT the Gun.

LLS

19 posted on 01/17/2008 4:32:57 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote Fred!)
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To: mattstat

I’m doing substitute teaching between careers and last week an 8th grader told me about picking up his Dad’s Winchester assuming it was unloaded. He cocked it and pulled the trigger and blew a hole through the wall about 4 inches above the floor boards. I told him, he’s lucky he didn’t kill someone 3 houses away, because a rifle bullet will go through many walls or a mile down the road.


20 posted on 01/17/2008 4:37:53 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: mattstat
My kids can access their firearms if they wish.

Mine are mostly in a different gun safe.

Some are sitting around here and there.

I’m sure my house would be considered “unsafe” to some but having a rifle on a rack over the door is normal to my kids. They don’t “Oooooo, aaahhhhh” when they see one.

My kids parents see the weapons as they step in the front door. None have grabbed their kids hands, turned around and walked out.

21 posted on 01/17/2008 4:38:25 AM PST by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: mattstat
Who in their right mind would even tell a stranger, on the phone, you have a gun in your home in the first damn place?

Hello! AQ calling!

22 posted on 01/17/2008 4:40:17 AM PST by paratrooper82 (82 Airborne 1/508th BN "fury from the sky")
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To: mattstat

Please define “unsafe storage” thanks.


23 posted on 01/17/2008 4:49:37 AM PST by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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To: mattstat

I had a nightmare just last night that a burglar broke in, but even though I got to my gun, every time I pulled the trigger it just clicked, because I had forgotten to load it. This is NOT a problem I have in real life.


24 posted on 01/17/2008 5:21:37 AM PST by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: mattstat

“Safely” means stored so that the owner can’t possibly get his gun unstored, loaded, and in use before the home invaders have raped and strangled his wife and daughter, stolen the silver and the 60 inch TV and bludgeoned the owner. A homeowner successfully driving off or killing a home-invader with a gun is proof that the gun was not stored safely. It is, of course, the felon’s safety that is the cause of so much concern.


25 posted on 01/17/2008 5:22:34 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than to have to fight them OVER HERE!)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

““Science” is discrediting itself on a daily basis with these “studies”.”

Many of these number crunching studies in Medicine are...”choose your own word.” The problem is that the data is frequently forced to fit a preconceived notion.


26 posted on 01/17/2008 5:41:00 AM PST by A Strict Constructionist (We have become an oligarchy not a Republic.)
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To: ksen

For most of these dolts, I would guess having any type firearm in a person’s residence constitutes unsafe storage. To them firearms are a total mystery, and as such can only be handled by certain specific individuals serving in specific official capacities. They’ve most likely lived their entire lives in suburban settings and everything they know about guns they’ve learned from the MSM. They’re only exposure to guns in the real world is seeing one strapped on a policeman’s side.

Their fear is very real but it’s based on a virtual reality created by the media. In their world guns are very dangerous and unpredictable therefore ordinary citizens should be denied ownership. The medical establishment bought into this lie some time ago along with the teacher’s unions, politically motivated leo groups and countless other professional organizations.


27 posted on 01/17/2008 5:57:23 AM PST by bereanway (Hunter in '08)
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To: bereanway

I agree with what you wrote.

In my mind a gun is being unsafely stored if it is stored in such a way that it becomes useless if you need to get to it in an emergency.


28 posted on 01/17/2008 5:59:45 AM PST by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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To: joe fonebone

safe storage: stored in a clean, dry, climate controlled area where they are safe from moisture, rust, dust and extreme changes in temperature?


29 posted on 01/17/2008 6:16:21 AM PST by absolootezer0 (white male christian hetero married gun toting SUV driving motorcycle riding conservative smoker)
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To: ksen

Proper storage means:

A: if unloaded and/or not under my personal control (in my hand or attached to my person), then in my gun safe.

B: Loaded, holstered and on my person.

A firearm, under any other circumstances, loaded or not,is not a wise thing. The “nightstand” gun is the vehicle by which most thugs arm themselves.

The only responsible method of storing a loaded gun is always to insure it under your personal control. Yes, I carry virtually from the moment I arise to the moment I lay down. I’d guess the only time I violate my rule is when I am in the shower and the holstered, loaded firearm is on the commode seat...

When I lay down for the night, that same loaded firearm goes into the pistol locker secured to my bed frame-three pushes of the LED buttons and it springs open.

It is the “bearing” of Arms that has virtue, “keeping” is collecting.

As always, God Bless!


30 posted on 01/17/2008 7:04:43 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US Army, Retired)
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To: bill1952
What is meant by “stored?”

To the Left? Unloaded, trigger-locked, inside a locked steel gun-safe...
in other words, utterly useless in an emergency situation, which is 95% of the usefulness of the firearm.

31 posted on 01/17/2008 7:10:09 AM PST by Teacher317 (Eta kuram na smekh)
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To: samtheman; mattstat
"Do you believe that, on the grounds of unsafe storage, you should be forced to give up your gun?"

Well, that and they probably didn't ask "Do you store your guns safely?", they asked specific questions like "Is the ammo in a separate room, also under lock and key?", so an honest title would be "70% of guns not stored safely as defined by gun-hating. rights-hating, pantywaist Brady liberals.", which would sound much different.

They think they get to define what's safe.

32 posted on 01/17/2008 7:26:26 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Still Thinking
All my firearms are locked, as in “lock & Load” and ready to fire for effect.
barbra ann
33 posted on 01/17/2008 8:45:42 AM PST by barb-tex (Why replace the IRS with anything?)
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To: PeteB570

Your kids friend’s parents?


34 posted on 01/17/2008 9:44:40 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: bereanway

Well said, to most of the MSM having a gun in the home ranks right up there with having a pet tiger.


35 posted on 01/17/2008 12:03:17 PM PST by Flashman_at_the_charge (A proud member of the self-preservation society)
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To: wastedyears

Yeah, I was typing fast.

Some of the kid’s parents are lib leaning but none have run away.

The first one they see is a .58 muzzle loader and then the gun rack at the back of the foyer.

Teacher asks “OK children, what did we do this past weekend?” My kids answer “Went out to the rifle range and blew off a couple hundred AK rounds.”


36 posted on 01/17/2008 3:43:03 PM PST by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: mattstat

“not storing their firearms safely in their residence”

I had no idea there was a scientific standard for “safe”. This is nothing but a liberal’s idea and to them no gun is “safe”.


37 posted on 01/17/2008 3:44:43 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: Manly Warrior

“Yes, I carry virtually from the moment I arise to the moment I lay down. I’d guess the only time I violate my rule is when I am in the shower and the holstered, loaded firearm is on the commode seat...”

Well - there are some right pretty stainless steel handguns looking for a good owner. Ever think of adopting one?

:-)


38 posted on 01/17/2008 3:47:28 PM PST by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: mattstat

The correct storage location for the rifle is over the door so you and the bigger kids can grab it on the way out. This is how it was done during the winning of the West and there are still wolves and grizzlies out there.


39 posted on 01/17/2008 3:49:34 PM PST by RightWhale (Dean Koonz is good, but my favorite authors are Dun and Bradstreet)
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To: RightWhale

I liked the reply a Freeper posted on a previous thread answering a health providers invasive questions.

We just spread the guns and ammo on the floor and the first kid that matches the correct ammo to the correct gun gets to shoot someone.


40 posted on 01/17/2008 4:03:29 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: mattstat
Oh, dear. People have to understand that this sort of "study" is a survey. The statistics collected do not represent how people store guns, they represent what a sample of people has said about how they store guns. It is a measurement of what people state, not what is real.

A genuine "study" of the matter would involve a physical inspection of people's homes. Obviously that's considerably more difficult and quite a bit more expensive than calling them on the telephone and asking questions. In a matter as emotional and fraught with fear as this particular one people are prone to mistaken impressions, and it can err both ways. Were I to state that I keep loaded firearms in my house and the question not continue on to reveal that they're locked in a safe, the wrong impression will be gathered. On the other side, someone convinced that every firearm they own is disassembled and locked in a trunk whose child finds the one he or she forgot about - well, you read about that sort of case with tragic frequency.

You can do truly exquisite and detailed statistical analysis of this sort of thing, the mathematics unquestionable, but the results no better than the data measured. In this case it's pretty shaky. IMHO.

41 posted on 01/17/2008 4:06:15 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: PeteB570

Awesome


42 posted on 01/17/2008 5:45:39 PM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: mattstat

If the majority of families with guns stored their weapons unsafely, there would be a lot more deaths than there actually are. One must therefore conclude that the majority of families with guns do store them safely; any addition of “unsafe storage” which applies to a supermajority of families with guns must therefore be patently unreasonable.


43 posted on 01/17/2008 6:17:55 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

That is one very fortunate boy. Had i done that, there would have been no “time out”, unless you consider being grounded until the next Ice Age a form of “time out”.

And the direct consequences would have been swift and exceeding unpleasant.


44 posted on 01/17/2008 6:44:00 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: Manly Warrior

You must live in a very secure area. Where i live, I keep my Redhawk at hand 24/7 because of mostly four legged predators.

I have no desire to have a bear or cougar decide to break in and get between me and a loaded gun.

As for the need for a gun while in the Big Sh*tty, little or nothing should be said.


45 posted on 01/17/2008 6:48:12 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: GladesGuru

I live in a very rural area, but as I state my carry gun is available or on my person 24/7.

One aspect of personal security is risk avoidance.

In my opinion, again, MY opinion, anyone that chooses to live in a high-crime situation probably ought to be in the military (USA/USMC) and deployed to a combat theater, personal risk would be lower!

Add a family, and I just think one would have to be less than rational....

God Bless


46 posted on 01/18/2008 12:54:10 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US Army, Retired)
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To: mattstat

Okay, I’m not quite getting this — being afraid of an old, unloaded gun here....

Can anyone help me out?


47 posted on 01/18/2008 1:21:06 AM PST by unspun (Mike Huckabee: Government's job is "protect us, not have to provide for us.")
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