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When Ross Perot Calls.....
NewsWeek ^ | 01.17.08 | Jonathan Alter

Posted on 01/17/2008 7:33:22 AM PST by rface

The phone rang and it was Ross Perot, who hasn't given an interview in years. Perot, who won 19 percent of the vote in the 1992 presidential election, making him one of the strongest third-party candidates in American history, got straight to the point.

"Remember what you wrote about John McCain in the March 13, 2000, NEWSWEEK?"

"Sure," I lied.

"When McCain called Perot 'nuttier than a fruitcake'?"

The Texas billionaire, now 77, still has some scores to settle from the Vietnam era, and his timing is exquisite. Just days before the South Carolina GOP primary, he wants me to know that McCain "is the classic opportunist--he's always reaching for attention and glory. Other POWs won't even sit at the same table with him."

Mark Salter, McCain's longtime top aide, says the Arizona senator has plenty of veteran support and many close friendships among other former POWs.

The Perot-McCain relationship goes back to McCain's five and a half years of captivity in Hanoi. When McCain's then-wife Carol was in a serious car accident, McCain's mother called Perot for help. "She asked me to send my people to Philadelphia to take care of the family," Perot says. Afterwards, McCain was grateful. "We loved him [Perot] for it," McCain told me in 2000.

Perot doesn't remember it that way. "After he came home, he walked with a limp, she [Carol McCain] walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona [Cindy McCain, his current wife] and the rest is history."

Perot's real problem with McCain is that he believes the senator hushed up evidence that live POWs were left behind in Vietnam and even transferred to the Soviet Union for human experimentation, a charge Perot says he heard from a senior Vietnamese official in the 1980s. "There's evidence, evidence, evidence," Perot claims. "McCain was adamant about shutting down anything to do with recovering POWs."

Not surprisingly, McCain sees it differently. He has told me several times over the years that the myth of live POWs was a cruel hoax on the families. He chaired hearings into the issue in the 1990s and found nothing. "The committee did an exhaustive job and poured over thousands of records and every claim of a sighting, no matter how outlandish," says Salter. "It was all untrue."

Perot says he intends to vote for Mitt Romney in the Texas Republican primary on March 4, citing Romney's experience in business and his family values. "When I went to the Naval Academy and met my first Mormons I asked why so many were excellent officers," Perot recalls. "I learned it was because of their strong family unit."

When I asked about Barack Obama, Perot said he admired his eloquence but thought it "a little odd that we would be less concerned about his background than being a Mormon." Perot was pleasantly surprised when I told him that Obama was a Christian, not a Muslim, and relieved when I informed him that the e-mail Perot (and untold others) received about Obama not respecting the Pledge of Allegiance was a fraud.

Perot isn't a Hillary hater, but he's not a fan either, relating the bumper sticker he received that reads: "Monica Lewinsky's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife for President."

The founder of a data-processing empire is still sharp in diagnosing what ails the United States. "The situation in 1992 was not nearly as bad as it is now," he says. "If ever there was a time when it was necessary to put our house in order, it's now.

"It's like having cancer and being in denial. The conduct of the House and Senate is an embarrassment to the nation." President Bush, Perot says, is a "decent person, but you can't say the same thing about the people around him."

Perot is appalled at the specter of big banks having to borrow from foreigners to stay afloat: "We have to go around the world with a tambourine and a tin cup."

He attributes the success of China to the fact that even uneducated Chinese must learn 3,000 characters early in life, compared to the 26 letters in the English alphabet. "Their hand-eye productivity is incredible because of drawing the symbols," Perot says, noting that most of today's Ph.D.s in engineering are from China and India, and only a small percentage from the United States.

Perot offers no easy solutions, instead emphasizing "a strong moral and ethical base, strong homes and the finest schools." He says he's disappointed that big textbook companies successfully lobbied in the Texas state legislature to reverse his landmark school reforms.

The pint-size Texan with the funny voice and the big ears isn't planning to run for president again, but says he will launch a Web site next month with plenty of the charts and graphs he made famous when explaining the deficit in 1992.

Before hanging up, Perot asked me to read the books he recommended on live POWs. I promised him I would.


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I voted twice for Perot

I wasn't surprised one tiny bit when Perot endorsed GW Bush for President.........but Rush Limbaugh was.

1 posted on 01/17/2008 7:33:24 AM PST by rface
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To: rface

Perot felt responsible for putting the Billy BJ Clin”toon” in office...


2 posted on 01/17/2008 7:35:42 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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Perot isn't a Hillary hater, but he's not a fan either, relating the bumper sticker he received that reads: "Monica Lewinsky's Ex-Boyfriend's Wife for President."

Pretty damn funny!

3 posted on 01/17/2008 7:35:42 AM PST by rface (kooky inside and out)
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To: in hoc signo vinces
Perot felt responsible for putting the Billy BJ Clin”toon” in office...

maybe the same feeling FReepers will have for puting Hillary in the White House...

4 posted on 01/17/2008 7:38:03 AM PST by rface (kooky inside and out)
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To: in hoc signo vinces
You mean he knew he'd be responsible for putting Bubba into office ;)

Perot knew damn well that he was sucking up votes even before the election.
5 posted on 01/17/2008 7:38:08 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE

like voting for Dole was gonna inspire Repubs to go vote in droves....


6 posted on 01/17/2008 7:40:25 AM PST by rface (kooky inside and out)
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To: rface

I agree with Rush on that one since Perot and Billy Boy were in cahoots.


7 posted on 01/17/2008 7:44:37 AM PST by freekitty
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To: rface

I think this is a bs article. Don’t tell me that Perot is so brainless; he would buy a story that Obama is a Christian; not a Muslum.


8 posted on 01/17/2008 7:46:51 AM PST by freekitty
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To: rface

Dole wasnt running in 1992

President Bush (the Dad) was running for re-election

Bob Dole was the GOP nominee in 1996...years too late for him

I didnt vote for Dole in the primary...


9 posted on 01/17/2008 7:49:11 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: rface

That bumper sticker must cover the entire bumper—LOL!


10 posted on 01/17/2008 7:49:33 AM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: rface
Other POWs won't even sit at the same table with him.

This might be a clue as to why:

John McCain collaborated with the North Vietnamese. See this picture?

The other POWs didn't get warm clothing. They shivered in shorty pajamas.

11 posted on 01/17/2008 7:50:32 AM PST by CholeraJoe (Hey McCain! How about a game of solitaire? Betcha can't find the Queen of Diamonds.)
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To: rface

que?

Bush/Clinton/Perot in 1992.


12 posted on 01/17/2008 7:52:53 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: rface
maybe the same feeling FReepers will have for puting Hillary in the White House...

Nice try.

The main reason Bush lost in 1992 was because he ran on a campaign of "No New Taxes" in 1988. He promised that he would not raise taxes. Remember 'Read my lips'? When he broke that promise he called the tax increase a 'revenue enhancement'.

After being soundly beaten in the 1992 election by a young, vibrant Bill Clinton, who did the GOP put forward as their best candidate in 1994? Old, boring, Bob Dole.

13 posted on 01/17/2008 7:53:54 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (After six years of George W. Bush I long for the honesty and sincerity of the Clinton Administration)
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To: in hoc signo vinces

“Perot felt responsible for putting the Billy BJ Clin”toon” in office...”

As well he should—he shares THAT reponsibility with those loggerhead Libertarians and Republicans who voted for him.


14 posted on 01/17/2008 7:55:36 AM PST by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: in hoc signo vinces
I think he was. At the time E-Systems was the top pick for the contract to create and maintain all database info for Hildabeasts original Socialized health care she was pushing back when Bill got elected.

Remember this?

It is the same crap she pushes today. Once a commie - always a commie.

15 posted on 01/17/2008 7:55:52 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: rface

It would be far better for the country for Hillery/Obama to be POTUS then McCain/Huckibe.

The reason being the Repubs in Congress would fight against the Dem as would some Dems.

However if these RINO’s are in office the repubs would be less likely to go against the WH.


16 posted on 01/17/2008 8:01:10 AM PST by stockpirate ("A nation that does not honor it's warriors will be defeated by one that does")
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To: CholeraJoe
The VC would have prisoners don fresh new cloths anytime the media would be interviewing POWs. I don’t know if you are serious about your accusations or tongue and cheek, but he suffered just as much as any of the others did.
17 posted on 01/17/2008 8:13:50 AM PST by 7thOF7th (Righteousness is our cause and justice will prevail!)
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To: SJSAMPLE

“You mean he knew he’d be responsible for putting Bubba into office ;)

Perot knew damn well that he was sucking up votes even before the election.”

Did you watch the debates with Perot, Clinton and Bush? Perot was the ONLY one to jump all over Clinton. Bush sure didn’t.


18 posted on 01/17/2008 8:24:07 AM PST by AuntB (" DON'T LET THE PRESS PICK YOUR CANDIDATE!" Mrs. Duncan Hunter 1/5/08)
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To: 7thOF7th

I’m serious. Several POWs have alleged that he received special treatment including better food and better clothing because he was an admiral’s son or in exchange for information provided.

Some have gone to bat for him, though.

I believe that if McCain receives the nomination, he will be “Swift Boated” by former POWs.


19 posted on 01/17/2008 8:24:48 AM PST by CholeraJoe (Hey McCain! How about a game of solitaire? Betcha can't find the Queen of Diamonds.)
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To: rface

Did anyone else do Perot’s voice in their head as they were reading his quotes or is it just me?


20 posted on 01/17/2008 8:33:53 AM PST by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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To: rface
Perot's real problem with McCain is that he believes the senator hushed up evidence that live POWs were left behind in Vietnam and even transferred to the Soviet Union for human experimentation, a charge Perot says he heard from a senior Vietnamese official in the 1980s. "There's evidence, evidence, evidence," Perot claims. "McCain was adamant about shutting down anything to do with recovering POWs."

If I remember right McCain and Kerry were blamed by a lot of vets for shutting down the investigation of Vietnam Era POWs.

And I did vote for Perot in 1992. I thought at least he was trying to do the right thing unlike Bush 41. So yes I'm partially responsible for Bill Clinton becoming president but Bush 41 didn't even try.

21 posted on 01/17/2008 8:36:37 AM PST by McGruff (A "Big Time" Fred Thompson supporter!)
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To: rface

“Monica Lewinsky’s Ex-Boyfriend’s Wife for President.”
Bumper Sticker
I want one.@@@@@


22 posted on 01/17/2008 8:39:37 AM PST by ODDITHER
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To: freekitty
When I asked about Barack Obama, Perot said he admired his eloquence but thought it "a little odd that we would be less concerned about his background than being a Mormon." Perot was pleasantly surprised when I told him that Obama was a Christian, not a Muslim,

So this is the spin. It matters what SORT of Christian Obama is. The sort of liberal Christian who actually thinks that one can dialogue with fanatical Muslims. Even if he is sincere, he is the sort of naif that Jimmy Carter is. Given his attachment to an anti-Israeli Church in an anti-Israeli denomination, full of white Christians who blame the US for the mess in the Middle East, what sort of foreign policy will he propose?

23 posted on 01/17/2008 8:56:44 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: Domandred

LOL! Ross is like no other. But I’ll never forgive him for his hatred of George H.W. Bush. I’ll never forgive George H.W. Bush for his cynical unconcern for the fate of the POW’s. Ross knows that George W. is a very different sort of man.


24 posted on 01/17/2008 9:00:04 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS

Yep, the bs is always spun as the truth.


25 posted on 01/17/2008 9:03:08 AM PST by freekitty
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To: rface
Perot says, noting that most of today's Ph.D.s in engineering are from China and India, and only a small percentage from the United States.

That's mainly because most college-educated Americans can get a good job with a lower degree. Why reduce your career options by getting a PhD?

26 posted on 01/17/2008 9:07:38 AM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (Global Warming Heretic -- http://agw-heretic.blogspot.com)
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To: CholeraJoe
I am dubious of these POW claims but again, I was not there. I do know that he suffered greatly in serving his Country and that is enough for me. The difference between Kerry and McCain is great. Swift boating Kerry was easy, his lies were exposed and verified. McCain's detractors would only be able to express subjective reservations.
27 posted on 01/17/2008 9:08:14 AM PST by 7thOF7th (Righteousness is our cause and justice will prevail!)
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To: rface

Rush is discussing this right now.


28 posted on 01/17/2008 9:30:14 AM PST by McGruff (A "Big Time" Fred Thompson supporter!)
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To: 7thOF7th

Well, his suffering is a problem. I know that the experience left its mark on these men, and each responded in accordance to his character. Bob Dole has suffered far more than McCain from his war-wounds,and the worst one can say about him is his “tartness.” He manages his temper far better than McCain. Ironically, that was a complain about Dole in 1996, that he didn’t show the anger that he has spent his career trying to suppress. McCain is the opposite, his anger is, I fear, existential.


29 posted on 01/17/2008 9:33:16 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: Tennessee Nana
I voted for Perot in '92 and voted Perot in '96.

Perot endorsed Bush in 2000 and I think he endorsed Bush in 2004....Now he endorses Romney.

30 posted on 01/17/2008 9:38:08 AM PST by rface (kooky inside and out)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Why reduce your career options by getting a PhD?

Of the couple of PhDs I know - the reason for the degree was not for career options....it was more a "love of the field" and the desire to advance the knowledge in the field.

31 posted on 01/17/2008 9:40:51 AM PST by rface (kooky inside and out)
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To: RobbyS
I would agree that McCain has shown a lack of restraint in terms of his temper and this is one of a few traits that cause me to not favor him in this election. I do however believe he served his Country well and I commend him on his service. I am interested in a candidate that is practical and well tempered. I will not vote for any of the Democratic candidates because as much as they claim experience they are ALL in fact charlatans and can not be relied upon to do what is best for the people of this Nation. This leaves me with an impression that I will be voting for someone who has a proven record of success in dealing with burgeoning entitlement plans, high taxes, and smaller government. Can you guess where I am going?
32 posted on 01/17/2008 9:45:51 AM PST by 7thOF7th (Righteousness is our cause and justice will prevail!)
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To: rface
A recent photo of H. Ross Perot:


33 posted on 01/17/2008 9:50:26 AM PST by Antoninus ("Make all the promises you have to." --Mitt Romney)
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To: righttackle44
...he shares THAT reponsibility with those loggerhead Libertarians and Republicans who voted for him.

1992 Presidential election results 

Nominee

Bill Clinton

George H. W. Bush

Ross Perot

Andre Marrou

Party

Democratic

Republican

Independent

Libertarian

Electoral vote

370

168

0

0

Popular vote

44,909,806

39,104,550

19,743,821

291,627

Percentage

43.0%

37.4%

18.9%

0.28%

Don't ever forget to always blame Libertarians!

34 posted on 01/17/2008 9:53:23 AM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: righttackle44
As well he should—he shares THAT reponsibility with those loggerhead Libertarians and Republicans who voted for him.

The only one who deserves any "blame" for GHW Bush losing is GHW Bush. He did not deserve to win.
35 posted on 01/17/2008 9:59:30 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: CholeraJoe

Rush discussed this article and the facts about Perot and the anti-McCain Viet-Nam vets in the first hour today. bttt


36 posted on 01/17/2008 10:06:21 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Algore - there's not a more priggish, sanctimonious moral scold of a church lady anywhere.)
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To: CholeraJoe
"I believe that if McCain receives the nomination, he will be “Swift Boated” by former POWs."

Big time! In fact I said that to my sister earlier today.

37 posted on 01/17/2008 10:14:23 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Algore - there's not a more priggish, sanctimonious moral scold of a church lady anywhere.)
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To: Domandred

“Did anyone else do Perot’s voice in their head as they were reading his quotes or is it just me?”

I did, too! Who could forget that voice! I always remember him saying, “Measure twice, cut once.” (and Rush’s parody “They’re coming to take me away”.)


38 posted on 01/17/2008 10:18:03 AM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: rface
re: Perot doesn't remember it that way. "After he came home, he walked with a limp, she [Carol McCain] walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona [Cindy McCain, his current wife] and the rest is history.")))

I notice there's not much comment on this thread about McCain's marital history. On quite a few occasions, Freepers tend to forget that conservative women don't always think the same as conservative men.

Perot put this very well--Carol waited faithfully for him, kept his family together when he was a POW. Unfortunately, she was involved in an accident that restricted her mobility and she gained weight.

As soon as McCain got back, he dumped Carol for pretty, skinny, younger little blonde Cindy whose daddy was a liquor distributor in Arizona who promised to fund McCain's political ambitions.

Maybe the guys don't despise John McCain for that, but you can be sure the ladies do.

Not that there's not enough to despise him for and fear him for...but McCain treated Carol worse than Bill ever treated Hillary.

39 posted on 01/17/2008 10:20:43 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: higgmeister

Loooking at those figures leaves no doubt that Republicans gave Clinton the election. It may be argued that it was Republicans who would have voted for Perot if the Libertarians had nominated him, but in the end, it was Ross who was responsible. The crazy thing he did was to pull out of the race after the Democrats nominated Clinton. Did he think that Clinton really was a southern moderate? or was he just so angry at Bush that he thought Clinton could beat him? When he found out that Clinton could not win a two-man race, he sure jumped back in.


40 posted on 01/17/2008 11:07:27 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: Mamzelle

People tend to do this sort of thing. Bob Dole did it to the wife who nursed him back to health once he began to rise in the world. Maybe it is true that great men are seldom good men.


41 posted on 01/17/2008 11:10:18 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: rface
Those who voted for Perot gave us Hillary now.

I firmly believe that Perot was a fraud and a setup. He had some grudge against the Bushes, and Clinton used that. Perot also stood to make a ton of money from big government, as his company processed all the data from welfare programs. And, as McCain said, he was nuttier than a fruitcake.

Not surprised that Perot's shiny dome has popped up again in this race. Hillary is using all her go-to guys to take out Obama, and then will concentrate on whoever the GOP nominates.

42 posted on 01/17/2008 11:11:47 AM PST by Defiant (Hillary needs Obama in the race to make it seem she has experience by comparison.)
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To: rface
I voted twice for Perot

I supported him in '92, my senior year in high school.
43 posted on 01/17/2008 11:14:01 AM PST by mysterio
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To: RobbyS
McCain is not good, and he certainly is not great.

There is a level of abandonment and cruelty to the way McCain treated his first wife, and the mother of the children of his body.

McCain got bought by his father in law. The arrangement was rather whorish.

If McCain wins the nom, maybe Perot will come back. I'll vote for Perot in a moment over McCain.

Talk about nutty...McKook!!

44 posted on 01/17/2008 11:25:38 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: rface

One reason for the “live” POW claims are the large number of MIA’s designated for downed pilots that were never found among the prisoners released at the end of the war. But the MIA classification for pilots would often result from the claim of fellow pilots that they saw a parachute, even though in reality they saw the plane shot down with no survivors.

Why would fellow pilots do this? Because if they reported their buddy dead, his widow back in USA would get a small insurance payment and be ordered off base housing in 30 days. But if the dead pilot was classified as MIA, then the widow would continue to receive the pilot’s salary and get to stay in base housing.

You now see in the news every few weeks where the joint US-Vietnamese recovery teams will be told of plane debris, and the remains of a pilot are identified as one of those MIA.


45 posted on 01/17/2008 11:30:26 AM PST by scotiamor
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To: rface
and relieved when I informed him that the e-mail Perot (and untold others) received about Obama not respecting the Pledge of Allegiance was a fraud.

Huh? The video speaks for itself!

46 posted on 01/17/2008 3:15:20 PM PST by montag813
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To: rface
and relieved when I informed him that the e-mail Perot (and untold others) received about Obama not respecting the Pledge of Allegiance was a fraud.

Jonathan Alter is a liar. The picture speaks for itself, as does the ABC Video of the moment.


47 posted on 01/17/2008 3:22:08 PM PST by montag813
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To: rface

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1010/How_Romney_made_a_bestseller.html?showall

“Mitt Romney boosted sales of his book this spring by asking institutions to buy thousands of copies in exchange for his speeches, according to a document obtained by POLITICO.”

A mormon temple recommend question...

“Are you honest in all your dealings?”


48 posted on 10/24/2010 9:40:40 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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