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Rohrabacher, Hunter call for agents' pardon
Wash Times ^ | 1/17/08 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 01/17/2008 11:37:31 PM PST by pissant

Two California Republican congressmen yesterday called on President Bush to pardon two former U.S. Border patrol agents sent to prison a year ago this week for shooting a drug-smuggling suspect in the buttocks as he fled back into Mexico.

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher accused Mr. Bush of being "arrogant and heartless" for refusing to pardon or commute the sentences of former agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean, who were ordered last January to serve 11- and 12-year prison sentences, respectively.

He said they had spent the past year in solitary confinement "suffering conditions worse than detainees at Guantanamo Bay.

"It has been a year since Border Agents Ramos and Compean entered prison," Mr. Rohrabacher said. "This marks a year of shame for President Bush, who has been fully aware of the details of this blatant miscarriage of justice and chosen to do absolutely nothing about it.

"The president has shown us his arrogant and heartless side by permitting the wrongful incarceration of Ramos and Compean to continue," he said.

Rep. Duncan Hunter, a Republican presidential candidate who in- troduced a still-pending bill last year to pardon the agents, said Congress and the American people have "repeatedly expressed their outrage that such an injustice has been allowed to occur."

"These agents were convicted solely on the testimony of the drug dealer, who has since been indicted on federal drug charges for running drugs into the United States while serving as a federal witness," Mr. Hunter said. "Most disturbingly, he did so with border crossing cards he obtained for his cooperation."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 110th; agents; aliens; border; compean; duncanhunter; immigrantlist; immigration; ramos; seper; septer
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Keep the thumbscrews on 'em. GO Hunter, Go Rorhbacher
1 posted on 01/17/2008 11:37:32 PM PST by pissant
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Ramos/Compean/Hunter PING


2 posted on 01/17/2008 11:38:29 PM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: pissant

3 posted on 01/17/2008 11:40:14 PM PST by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: pissant

They shot him in the back(side)?

Sounds real honorable.


4 posted on 01/17/2008 11:45:32 PM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Most men would rather die, than think. Many do.)
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To: pissant

Duncan Hunter can’t even get top billing in a news headline.
How do you expect him to get top billing on the GOP ticket?


5 posted on 01/17/2008 11:47:38 PM PST by counterpunch (GOP Convention '08 Go For Brokered!)
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To: pissant
鷹飛べ!!

EAGLES UP!!

6 posted on 01/17/2008 11:56:25 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Christian Discernment and The Lord Tell Me that President Huckabee Will Be A Disaster For Our Nation)
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To: counterpunch
Thanks for your input! It is refreshing to hear from you.

Thank you for supporting those two Border Agents.

EAGLES UP, everyone!

And, DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT BUMP!

7 posted on 01/17/2008 11:57:20 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Christian Discernment and The Lord Tell Me that President Huckabee Will Be A Disaster For Our Nation)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
It's OK.

It exited the front of him so, six of one, half dozen of the other.

8 posted on 01/17/2008 11:58:44 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Christian Discernment and The Lord Tell Me that President Huckabee Will Be A Disaster For Our Nation)
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To: pissant

Good for them.

On a similar topic, I just saw an article on MSN that says the death penalty in the U.S. is forcing crimianl fugitives to flee to Mexico. No kidding: Fugitives Flee to Mexico to Avoid Death.

Like they would stay here if life in prison was their option.

I’m too lazy to post it.


9 posted on 01/18/2008 12:14:00 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Guess what? I'm voting for the Conservative. Fred Thompson.)
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To: pissant

Checking my e-mails earlier there was one from a “conservative” org that have been championing Ramos & Compean’s cause. While they praised Rohrabacher to high heaven, providing his phone number to call and thank him, they never mentioned Hunter or the bill HE introduced to free our agents.


10 posted on 01/18/2008 1:01:03 AM PST by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: counterpunch

That’s because the MSM, the RHINO’s, the DNC, the gov within the gov, Mexico, the CFR, China, OPEC, etc., do not want a true conservative as POTUS. They do not want another President with any core values close to Regan’s, PERIOD!!


11 posted on 01/18/2008 1:43:53 AM PST by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Rohrabacher/Hunter ‘08


12 posted on 01/18/2008 2:12:49 AM PST by counterpunch (GOP Convention '08 Go For Brokered!)
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To: counterpunch

you are halfway there


13 posted on 01/18/2008 2:38:19 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Christian Discernment and The Lord Tell Me that President Huckabee Will Be A Disaster For Our Nation)
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To: All
I am voting for DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA thread bump.

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14 posted on 01/18/2008 3:13:28 AM PST by Cindy
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To: pissant
It’s a shame isn’t it? Our best and most practical minded leaders are congressmen and we are told only half wits from the senate, ex-governors, or a happenstance mayor are the only ones electable. Maybe this is why we need to go back to letting the congress selecting our senators. The ones we picked out sure haven’t been that brilliant. Rorhbacher is one of my favorites. At least some congressmen like these two and Paul have some fight left in them. I can think of close to 10 congressmen I would trust as POTUS. I can not think of one senator current or former right now I would trust as POTUS.
15 posted on 01/18/2008 3:33:10 AM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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16 posted on 01/18/2008 5:03:52 AM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

The bullet was never proven to have come from a BP gun...

And he was shot in the side of his backside and never complained about it for a month...

just when was he actually shot ????


17 posted on 01/18/2008 5:04:05 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: counterpunch

“Duncan Hunter can’t even get top billing in a news headline.
How do you expect him to get top billing on the GOP ticket?”

My expectations are high Oh ye of little faith...


18 posted on 01/18/2008 5:05:11 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana; All

From the description of the wound, it’s sounds if it could be from a gun hidden in his waistband that discharged during his escape. (or as he was removing it)

We’ll never know what really happened.


19 posted on 01/18/2008 5:16:23 AM PST by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Slow day over at DU?


20 posted on 01/18/2008 5:18:50 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

So two border patrol agents were convicted on the word of a drug running illegal?

Sounds real honorable. /s (just because some people need the sarcasm tag)


21 posted on 01/18/2008 5:20:41 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wolfcreek
We’ll never know what really happened.

We could, arrest the foreign invader criminal drug dealer and waterboard him. I have a feeling he would tell all.

22 posted on 01/18/2008 5:43:30 AM PST by upsdriver (Duncan Hunter: For those who demand the very best, AND will not compromise like all the rest!!)
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To: metmom

‘Yep, typical of our current “justice system” .....


23 posted on 01/18/2008 5:48:30 AM PST by logic (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is the ONLY conservative candidate!!)
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To: metmom

OOOOOHH you’re CLEVER!


24 posted on 01/18/2008 5:49:25 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Most men would rather die, than think. Many do.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Really. That is a different story.

I must admit to not having read the facts.

Basically it only serves to reinforce questions about the justice system in America in general.


25 posted on 01/18/2008 5:50:35 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Most men would rather die, than think. Many do.)
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To: All; pissant

Let’s all continue to contact the president and tell him to pardon these two men.


26 posted on 01/18/2008 6:03:04 AM PST by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

I don’t expect anything different from someone who continually supports the criminal element.


27 posted on 01/18/2008 6:18:39 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: upsdriver

I’m game. Could some private citizens do that? Not likely the Fed would do it.


28 posted on 01/18/2008 6:20:47 AM PST by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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To: RasterMaster

Very Good, Rasta!


29 posted on 01/18/2008 8:02:41 AM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Pay attention or don’t bother to comment


30 posted on 01/18/2008 8:03:12 AM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Just A Nobody

How nice of them.


31 posted on 01/18/2008 8:04:41 AM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: cva66snipe

I’d trust Jeff Sessions in the Senate, but not too many others, certainly not the ones running now.


32 posted on 01/18/2008 8:05:53 AM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: bcsco

Bump!!!


33 posted on 01/18/2008 8:06:12 AM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: wolfcreek

Thanks to Johnny Sutton


34 posted on 01/18/2008 8:06:49 AM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: pissant

bttt


35 posted on 01/18/2008 8:07:00 AM PST by prognostigaator
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To: upsdriver

You need to take Chertoff’s job.


36 posted on 01/18/2008 8:07:25 AM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Sun

I have and will continue


37 posted on 01/18/2008 8:07:56 AM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: pissant

Thanks for the ping. B4DH.


38 posted on 01/18/2008 8:18:08 AM PST by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter won't "let some arrogant corporate media executive decide whether this campaign's over)
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To: Tennessee Nana

“The bullet was never proven to have come from a BP gun...”

A full ballistics report was done showing the bullet matched Ramos’s .40 caliber service weapon. Both defense attorneys stipulated to the report at trial, meaning they didn’t object to and agreed with it’s findings.

“And he was shot in the side of his backside and never complained about it for a month...”

AOD testified at trial he immeditely went to a Mexican doctor but the severed urethra was beyond his skills to repair. As it is he will be wearing a Foley Bag (an outside bag that catches urine and has to be emptied several tims a day) for the rest of his life because he’s missing one inch of his urethra and that cannot be fixed.

Think what you want about this incident but let’s try to keep the facts straight.


39 posted on 01/18/2008 8:39:00 AM PST by Bob J
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To: wolfcreek

“From the description of the wound, it’s sounds if it could be from a gun hidden in his waistband that discharged during his escape.”

The bullet entered his left buttuck from the rear and side, severed his urethra, bounced off his pelvis and then lodged in his right thigh where it was later removed by US surgeons.

Do you still want to calim he shot himself? Facts are a wonderful thing to have.


40 posted on 01/18/2008 8:43:10 AM PST by Bob J
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To: pissant

Commutation of the sentence, not a pardon.


41 posted on 01/18/2008 8:44:08 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: metmom

“So two border patrol agents were convicted on the word of a drug running illegal?”

Several of the jury members were quoted as saying they paid little attention to the testimony of OAD but convicted on R&C’s own unbelieveable and contradictory testimony, the damning testimony of other agents on the scene whose statements directly contradicted those of R&C, and their attempted cover up of the incident.

One was even quoted saying “It’s sad when the testimony of a drug mule is more believeable than that of the officers.”

You have all these people misrepresenting what went on that day and at trial and not one of them has bothered to read the trial transcripts to find out what really happened.

That’s real honorable. </s>


42 posted on 01/18/2008 8:48:48 AM PST by Bob J
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

“Really. That is a different story. I must admit to not having read the facts.”

It’s “really a diofferent story because it is not true. If you want to know the facts, read the trial transcripts. (NOTE: It will take you several days reading off and on.)

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/Compean-Ramos/index.html


43 posted on 01/18/2008 8:51:02 AM PST by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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To: pissant

Huckabee has some strong words about this case.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7533.html


44 posted on 01/18/2008 8:54:15 AM PST by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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ping


45 posted on 01/18/2008 8:55:39 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: pissant
Hunter and Rohrbacher are chicken shiite cowards who would rather milk this incident for all the PR they can get out of it instead of doing the one quick and certain thing that would have Ramos and Compean released at the earliest possible convenience.

Submit legislation clarifying that the Federal 10 year mandatory for using a gun during a crime does not apply to LEO's who use their guns in the nornal course of their duties.

This could have been done a year ago, would fly through congress and be signed immediately by Bush. It would get R&C out of prison and protect all future LEO's from the same danger.

My question is WHY HAS IT NOT BEEN DONE? Why are R&C being allowed to rot in prison while activists and politicians grandstand, submit press releases and make photo ops?

Thinking FReepers need to ask this question.

46 posted on 01/18/2008 8:58:40 AM PST by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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To: Bob J

It already does not apply to officers in the line of duty. And that has been stated and restated again and again by these guys.


47 posted on 01/18/2008 9:00:52 AM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Badeye

“Commutation of the sentence, not a pardon.”

Agree with that statement 100%!


48 posted on 01/18/2008 9:10:45 AM PST by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: pissant

If it (ten year min) doesn’t apply why are these heroes still in prison?


49 posted on 01/18/2008 9:11:45 AM PST by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: eleni121

Are you sure you want to post that link and have people go there and read it? Here are some of the responses;

“This proves one thing about Huckabee that seems to be more obvious in this election then any other in my memory. These candidates will say anything to get elected. These two men were convicted in a court of law by a jury of their peers. I know the prosecution withheld evidence that might have changed he circumstances in the case. Why didn’t their lawyers take action to get it introduced during their trial? Why did the judge not allow it? It seems the case is rip for appeal. But, for some politician to say when he gets elected, he will set two convicted felons free, because it is a popular topic, is blatant disrepect for the law. It is a cheap political trick.”

“The guys shot an unarmed man 15 times and didn’t report it, the legal status of the guy they shot is a bit irrelevant.”

“That’s what we need a POTUS who can rely on divine inspiration , and not wait on messy and confusing evidence , to announce a situation absurd . Oh pardon me .”

“Although initially I would have went along with this statement of pardoning. Looking more at the evidence I wouldn’t do that now. ““Some in the media and on the Internet have tried to portray Agents Compean and Ramos as heroes but that narrative is false,” Sutton said. “The actions of Compean and Ramos in shooting an unarmed, fleeing suspect, destroying evidence, and engaging in a cover-up, are serious crimes. They were prosecuted to uphold the rule of law.” If you want to hide something and destroy evidence then YOU know you did something wrong.”

“This case is under appeal and these 2 guys could wind up with a new trial or sentence reduction or have it thrown out on sloppy prosecution.Let the system work itself out.This is just Huck pandering....This guys gets a lot of mileage out of his caring puppy dog face.A lot of people out there fall for this crap just like the TV Evangelicals who live in mansions and drive Bentleys.”

” Like most conservatives, I was amazed at how Bush handled the situation. How could he let 2 border patrol agents go to prison for shooting an illegal alien drug smuggler?

Then I spoke to a family member and a neighbor who are both border patrol guys. Without a doubt, they both said, the guys should be in jail. They broke the rules, the lied and then covered up the incident. There was no sympathy from their co-workers.

What would happen if you freed the guys? You would be over-turning a jury conviction. You would be condoning a cover-up. You would be sending a message that violation of guildelines and the law is OK.

For Huckabee to come out and say that he wants to review the case tells you all you need to know about him. He is soft on illegal immigration and he feels that taking a stance like this will play well with anti-illegal alien crowd.”


50 posted on 01/18/2008 9:11:48 AM PST by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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