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Carillo (High School) Walkout over rebel flags possible today
Santa Rosa (CA) Press Democrat ^ | 18 January 2008 | Mary Callahan

Posted on 01/18/2008 11:53:04 AM PST by Rebeleye

Some students want the school administration to ban the Confederate battle flag outright, even if its presence is mainly limited at this point to small decals, belt buckles or cell phone screens kept by a small number of students... Senior Megan Allen said she's gotten about 300 of the school's roughly 1,500 students and about 20 teachers to sign her petition calling for school officials to ban the flag on campus,

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A long-simmering issue over personal displays of the Confederate flag at Santa Rosa's Maria Carrillo High School has escalated into a petition drive and some calls for a brief protest walkout today. Some students want the school administration to ban the Confederate battle flag outright, even if its presence is mainly limited at this point to small decals, belt buckles or cell phone screens kept by a small number of students.

"It's not against the law to swear, to curse, but it's against school rules," said senior Ashley Bernon, who favors a ban.

Senior Megan Allen said she's gotten about 300 of the school's roughly 1,500 students and about 20 teachers to sign her petition calling for school officials to ban the flag on campus, saying tolerance for what many consider a symbol of slavery and oppression is a disgrace.

"The Confederate flag, as well as other symbols such as the Nazi swastika, could be considered pride in one's heritage . . . but their underlying theme is hate," the petition states. "Those who display them, know it . . . and those who see them, feel it."

School officials say the flag's presence -- as long as it doesn't cause a major disruption to school operations or incite a clear risk of unlawful acts -- is protected by the First Amendment, however unpopular it may be symbolically.

"Obviously, in a school of 1,500 students, you have students who have opinions on all sorts of things, as you would on any campus of that size," Maria Carrillo Principal Mark Klick said.

Some students have been stewing since last year over sightings of the rebel flag in the school parking lot or stuck to binders and backpacks around campus.

School administrators have confronted the issue once or twice in the past. But when a student newspaper story about the display of the stars and bars on campus last month included an account of an incident in which one of the school's few black students had a makeshift noose flung at his feet, a controversy suddenly bloomed.

The autumn noose incident, Klick said, appears to be completely unrelated to the small group of students who embrace the Confederate flag, though neither the student at whom it was aimed nor school administrators have been able to determine who was responsible.

The students with an interest in the Confederate symbol insist they aren't racist but proud of family links to the South, though just what the flag means to them, those interviewed couldn't say.

"It's our heritage," one such student said during a recent lunch break, explaining that he has at least one hanging in his room at home. "Everything's offensive to somebody."

"If they're thinking that we're going to form a Nazi group, they're wrong," said senior Zack Zanolini, dressed in a camouflage jacket with a .22-caliber bullet and cartridge around his neck. "It ain't like that."

Many students said the issue has been blown out of proportion by the campus newspaper and ensuing discussions, and that today's planned 10:20 a.m. walkout -- to the school softball diamond -- had little traction. The flags have been less obvious recently than they were earlier in the school year, they said, when several vehicles in the parking lots flew flags or otherwise bore the image.

One black student said he doesn't like the flag or what it stands for, and said he doesn't buy the "heritage" argument. But the student, sophomore Jeremy Thompson, said he has friends who like it, and he knows it doesn't mean they'd actually target someone.

"The flag only has as much meaning as you give it, so you have to see both sides," said Alexis Mijares, 15.

"I think they're taking it too far," she said of those supporting the walkout. "The more attention they give it, the bigger of an issue it is."

Renelle McCall, who wrote the Dec. 13 story about the flags in the Puma Prensa, said she was interviewing students for that story when she questioned a young black man who told her about having the noose thrown at his feet.

Reading it in the school newspaper was the first school administrators had heard of the incident, Klick said, though the freshman boy had told his mother and a school counselor perhaps a month earlier at a counseling session.

The student declined to be interviewed for this story.

Some students and teachers are sensitive to past campus incidents suggesting intolerance in a community of predominantly white students, with few minorities and just a handful of blacks.

"If we have a hostile environment for even one student, then we need to rethink the policy," said English instructor Brigette Mansell, who spent much of the week overseeing a series of student assemblies featuring speeches and presentations honoring Martin Luther King Jr.

Mansell and Pam Devlin, one-time school principal and now an English and film study teacher, also noted the claim staked by white supremacist groups to the stars and bars. Both are among a group of signatories to a staff letter opposing its presence on campus, they said.

Klick, meanwhile, said he appreciated that the students at his school were confronting an important issue like adults.

"I think the dialogue is important," he said, "The ability to be passionate, without being emotional and personal, is where the education is."

You can reach Staff Writer Mary Callahan at 521-5249 or mary.callahan@pressdemocrat.com.

1 posted on 01/18/2008 11:53:08 AM PST by Rebeleye
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To: Rebeleye

Wonder what would happen if a similar movement tried to ban the Mexican flag? How far would it get?


2 posted on 01/18/2008 11:56:27 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Rebeleye

Lol.

About the Press Democrat Newspaper

The very first newspaper in Santa Rosa, the parent of today’s Press Democrat, was begun in 1857, just three years after Santa Rosa was chosen as the seat of Sonoma County and seven years after California became a part of the United States.

Called the Sonoma Democrat this newspaper was a four-page weekly. Its name reflected the politics of the Santa Rosa and Russian River valleys, which were settled in the 1840s and ‘50s by farmers from Missouri, Kentucky and Tennessee.

The founding publisher was Alpheus Russell, a merchant with some newspaper experience who came to open a general store on Third Street. John Taylor, a prosperous rancher south of the new town, encouraged Russell to establish the paper, giving him a five-dollar gold piece for the first subscription.

At the end of a year, Russell sold the paper to printer E.R. Budd, who sold it again in 1860. The new owner was Thomas Thompson, a young Virginian who had edited Petaluma’s Sonoma County Journal five years earlier at the age of 17.

Thompson was a supporter of the Southern cause and conventional wisdom of the time said that Democratic party money, perhaps Confederate money, helped Thompson buy the paper to oppose the election of Abraham Lincoln.

Thompson and Samuel Cassiday, the Republican editor of the Petaluma paper, carried on a Civil War of words, in which Thompson was victorious.

Lincoln did not carry Sonoma County in either 1860 or 1864 elections.


3 posted on 01/18/2008 11:58:18 AM PST by BGHater ('A Nation's best defense is an educated citizenry'-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Rebeleye

You see, if they actually knew their American history (and they don’t), they’d realize that the American flag flew over slavery for many, many decades, while the Southern flag flew over slaves for maybe 3 or 4 years. So it’s a NON-issue!

But since they’re not being taught their history, what can we expect?


4 posted on 01/18/2008 11:58:33 AM PST by laweeks
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To: Rebeleye

The racial arsonists in Boston wanted the Shamrocks taken off the Fire Trucks in Southie because they said the Irish image is like the Swastika. I must have missed the part of the Potato Famine where the Irish had the strength to enslave people a continent away.


5 posted on 01/18/2008 11:59:02 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Rebeleye

So....they want everyone to pretend that the Civil War never existed? That was a battle flag and nothing more. Get over it.


6 posted on 01/18/2008 11:59:38 AM PST by RC2
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To: laweeks

The flag in question is actually the flag of the army of Northern Virginia flown by Robert E. Lee who freed the slaves at Arlington upon his inheritance.


7 posted on 01/18/2008 12:00:23 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: snuffy smiff; slow5poh; EdReform; TheZMan; Texas Mulerider; Oorang; freedomfiter2; ...

Dixieping


8 posted on 01/18/2008 12:00:32 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Rebeleye

Maybe we can get them all to walk out. Let’s try.


9 posted on 01/18/2008 12:00:47 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Rebeleye

She gets 300 students out of 1500 to sign a petition? This used to be a democracy. Unfortunately, this country changed in the 1960’s and became a place of leftist minority rule.


10 posted on 01/18/2008 12:01:23 PM PST by popdonnelly (Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
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To: Rebeleye

This attempt to stifle free speech by HS students speaks to the utter stupidity of said fools and the schools that inculcate this kind of thinking. Don’t students read 1984 in HS anymore?


11 posted on 01/18/2008 12:01:58 PM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
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To: Rebeleye

Yes, lets ban the Stars and Bars, right after the Mexican flag and the Rainbow flag.


12 posted on 01/18/2008 12:02:29 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (And close the damned borders!)
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To: Rebeleye

If those particular students walk out how will it change the school?


13 posted on 01/18/2008 12:03:00 PM PST by junta (It's Poltical Correctness stupid! Hold liberals accountable for their actions, a new idea.)
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To: Rebeleye
to ban the flag on campus, saying tolerance for what many consider a symbol of slavery and oppression is a disgrace.

Geez, not this again. Megan, honey, it's obvious you finally looked at a college application and realized you hadn't done anything to speak of during your high school years. Posting a piece of paper on the front door isn't going to prove you've got what it takes.

14 posted on 01/18/2008 12:04:00 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Wow! 300 of the 1,500 students signed the petition. Majority rules....the 300 loose. Sorry!


15 posted on 01/18/2008 12:05:42 PM PST by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: junta
If those particular students walk out how will it change the school?

My guess is that it will smell a little better for a while.
16 posted on 01/18/2008 12:06:51 PM PST by rickomatic
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To: junta
If those particular students walk out how will it change the school?

The school won't get it's funding for the day. And it'll get rid of the slackers for a couple hours so the rest of the students can learn.

17 posted on 01/18/2008 12:07:07 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Neoliberalnot

No they don’t, and they do not take civic classes either, the very same students with slap a black arm band on to support “free speech” in their school newspapers. Liberal teachers are the reason for this crap.


18 posted on 01/18/2008 12:07:23 PM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Rebeleye

Are they going to ban this one too?

19 posted on 01/18/2008 12:07:44 PM PST by Centurion2000 (It's only arrogance if you can't back it up.)
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To: Rebeleye

Well, if they ban my heritage, then it’s a “hostile environment” for me. Screw ‘em.


20 posted on 01/18/2008 12:08:47 PM PST by chesley (Where's the omelet? -- Orwell)
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To: Rebeleye
Mansell and Pam Devlin, one-time school principal and now an English and film study teacher, also noted the claim staked by white supremacist groups to the stars and bars.

I thought that all "race" supremacy groups staked out a flag of some sorts


21 posted on 01/18/2008 12:12:09 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Lawyer Jay Grodner stands accused of keying a Marine's car because he hates the military.)
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To: Rebeleye

Remember when flag burners wrapped themselves in the First Amendment? I guess it only applies to desecrating the stars and stripes, and not to displaying the stars and bars. Where’s the ACLU? (rhetorical question)


22 posted on 01/18/2008 12:12:12 PM PST by Spok
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To: Rebeleye

Boy, I would do just about ANYTHING to get race hustlers to boycott, or walk out, or otherwise leave the rest of us alone. Always trying to find a way to legitimize GITTIN PAYD instead of going to work.


23 posted on 01/18/2008 12:13:06 PM PST by AbeKrieger (There is a special place in Hell for Lyndon Johnson.)
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To: Rebeleye
I am trying to work out the percentage 300 of 1500=20% 20 out of say 50=40%.

Works for me! /S

24 posted on 01/18/2008 12:13:20 PM PST by rocksblues (Just enforce the law!)
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To: laweeks

>>You see, if they actually knew their American history (and they don’t), they’d realize that the American flag flew over slavery for many, many decades, while the Southern flag flew over slaves for maybe 3 or 4 years. So it’s a NON-issue!

>>But since they’re not being taught their history, what can we expect?

You are assuming that these morons don’t view the American flag as racist. Don’t underestimate their level of brainwashing.


25 posted on 01/18/2008 12:14:54 PM PST by vikingd00d
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To: Non-Sequitur
Protesters are allowed to take down the US flag and fly the Mexican flag on US soil on public schools. That is not a sign of hate.
26 posted on 01/18/2008 12:15:24 PM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: vikingd00d

Communists always ignore the modern era slavery of Stalin’s gulags. We even had a Democrat VP who saw them first hand and said nothing.


27 posted on 01/18/2008 12:16:36 PM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: Rebeleye
But they love this flag:

Flag of the Butt-Pirate Nation

28 posted on 01/18/2008 12:18:55 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
Yes, lets ban the Stars and Bars, right after the Mexican flag and the Rainbow flag.

What do you have against Cusco Peru?


29 posted on 01/18/2008 12:19:06 PM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: Rebeleye

Where’s the ACLU?


30 posted on 01/18/2008 12:21:22 PM PST by meandog (I'm one of the FEW and the BRAVE FReepers still supporting John McCain)
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To: Rebeleye

Poor Megan and her petition signers has been brainwashed by the Left. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. I say give those that walkout a week of detention and an F for the day in all the classes they missed. The assignment while in detention is to learn the meaning of freedom and a little of true history, not that spewed forth by whomever she’s been listening to.


31 posted on 01/18/2008 12:21:29 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

Hold on here, the Stars and Bars represents a very important time in US history while the mexican and homo flag have no part except to represent another country often hostile to the US and the other flag represents what?? deviant sexual behavior proponents??


32 posted on 01/18/2008 12:23:31 PM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
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To: Rebeleye

Just another group of young Fascists educated beyond their intelligence yet determined to impose their views and beliefs on those with whom they disagree.


33 posted on 01/18/2008 12:24:30 PM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: Rebeleye
Senior Megan Allen said she's gotten about 300 of the school's roughly 1,500 students and about 20 teachers to sign her petition...

Typical school politics.

I saw the same thing when I went to college as an older student in the '90's. Kids want to get involved in politics, and the easiest way to "make a difference" is to destroy something rather than build something.

34 posted on 01/18/2008 12:26:15 PM PST by randog (What the...?!)
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To: RC2
So....they want everyone to pretend that the Civil War never existed?

Exactly.

Let's just ban everything associated with ANY part of history they don't like.

35 posted on 01/18/2008 12:27:21 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Rebeleye

“If they’re thinking that we’re going to form a Nazi group, they’re wrong,” said senior Zack Zanolini, dressed in a camouflage jacket with a .22-caliber bullet and cartridge around his neck. “It ain’t like that.”

Sort of one sided, isn’t it?

Here, I’ve rewritten a bit.

“It’s not against the law to swear, to curse, but it’s against school rules,” said senior Ashley Bernon, dressed in peace signs and a Che Guevara tee. (Or is it braless and with a crew cut?)


36 posted on 01/18/2008 12:27:43 PM PST by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: TexasCajun

OK, I get it, this is the banner for the fecal eaters of America. Had a dog once that exhibited same behavior.


37 posted on 01/18/2008 12:27:55 PM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
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To: TexasCajun
"Flag of the Butt-Pirate Nation"

I think they're headquartered in New York, are they not? (With West Coast representatives cited in San Francisco)


38 posted on 01/18/2008 12:33:00 PM PST by traditional1 (Thompson/Hunter '08)
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To: Neoliberalnot
Probably not! The English teacher(s) signed the petition. They probably have 1984 and Utopia mixed up.

vaudine

39 posted on 01/18/2008 12:37:33 PM PST by vaudine (RO)
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To: randog

Typical school politics.

“You wanna skip school for a few hours and not get in trouble for it?”

“Sure, why not!”

“Sign here.”


40 posted on 01/18/2008 12:43:40 PM PST by Clioman
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To: traditional1

Don’t flags like that usually represent a Separatist Movement?


41 posted on 01/18/2008 12:44:04 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: stainlessbanner

Thanks for the ping. Good news today. Lt Governor of Virginia released a statement today recognizing Lee and Jackson. Pretty good considering the risk to any politician who is willing to stand up for anything Southern.


42 posted on 01/18/2008 12:54:17 PM PST by SWEETSUNNYSOUTH (Help stamp out liberalism!)
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To: massgopguy
The flag in question is actually the flag of the army of Northern Virginia flown by Robert E. Lee who freed the slaves at Arlington upon his inheritance.

The battle flag was flown, in variations, by all Confederate armies. The part about Lee is incorrect.

"When Lee's father-in-law, George Washington Parke Custis, died in October 1857, Lee (as executor of the will) came into control over some 196 slaves on the Arlington plantation. Although the will provided for the slaves to be emancipated "in such a manner as to my executors may seem most expedient and proper", providing a maximum of five years for the legal and logistical details of manumission, Lee found himself in need of funds to pay his father-in-law's debts and repair the properties he had inherited.[7] He decided to make money during the five years that the will had allowed him control of the slaves by working them on the plantation and hiring them out to neighboring plantations and to eastern Virginia."

Robert E. Lee

"One came from Mississippi; one from J.B. Walton and E.C. Hancock, which coincided with the design of Colonel Miles. The matter was freely discussed at headquarters, till, finally, when he arrived at Fairfax Court House, General Beauregard caused his draughtsman (a German) to make drawings of all the various designs which had been submitted. With these designs before them, the officers at headquarters agreed on the famous old banner -- the red field, the blue cross, and the white stars. The flag was then submitted to the War Department, and was approved."

Origin of the Battle Flag

43 posted on 01/18/2008 12:57:17 PM PST by cowboyway ("No damn man kills me and lives." -- Nathan Bedford Forrest)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
Yes, lets ban the Stars and Bars, right after the Mexican flag and the Rainbow flag.

But the Mexican and Fag flags aren't symbols of hate. /sarc

44 posted on 01/18/2008 12:59:32 PM PST by cowboyway ("No damn man kills me and lives." -- Nathan Bedford Forrest)
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To: Puppage
Let's just ban everything associated with ANY part of history they don't like.

Or re-write it to make it politically correct.

45 posted on 01/18/2008 1:02:52 PM PST by cowboyway ("No damn man kills me and lives." -- Nathan Bedford Forrest)
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To: cowboyway
You won’t get many points here by citing Wikipedia articles to support a claim, even if in this instance (Lee’s continued use of the Arlington slaves) the article appears to be essentially correct.
46 posted on 01/18/2008 1:15:05 PM PST by riverdawg
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To: Rebeleye

It sounds like Megan Allen is being disruptive to the learning environment and intolerant of diversity.

I’m sure those students displaying the flag are just using their first amendment rights in order to start a dialog on race relations.


47 posted on 01/18/2008 1:57:53 PM PST by james500
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To: Rebeleye

Well, let’s see, 300 out of 1500 are going right along with the plan to become Liberal Fascists. Sounds like the rest know it’s a bunch of crap. I am willing to bet that the 20 teachers who signed are a higher percentage of total teachers than the percentage of student signers are of all the students. And what the heck are teachers signing petitions that violate their students first amendment rights. They’re supposed to KNOW better.


48 posted on 01/18/2008 2:11:30 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: Amelia; SoftballMominVA; Gabz

Public Education Ping


49 posted on 01/18/2008 2:40:28 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: riverdawg
You won’t get many points here by citing Wikipedia articles to support a claim, even if in this instance (Lee’s continued use of the Arlington slaves) the article appears to be essentially correct.

Maybe this will make you happy (like I care):

"When Custis died in 1857, Robert E. Lee—the executor of the estate—determined that the slave labor was necessary to improve Arlington's financial status. The Arlington slaves found Lee to be a more stringent taskmaster than his predacessor. Eleven slaves were “hired out” while others were sent to the Pamunkey River estates. In accordance with Custis's instructions, Lee officially freed the slaves on December 29, 1862."

Slavery at Arlington

50 posted on 01/18/2008 2:48:08 PM PST by cowboyway ("No damn man kills me and lives." -- Nathan Bedford Forrest)
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