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Super delegates may sink the Democrats
Los Angeles Times ^ | January 19, 2008 | Joshua Spivak

Posted on 01/19/2008 3:37:15 AM PST by Puzzleman

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The elected delegates, though virtually unknown, are at least selected by the voters and pledged to the candidate those voters chose. Most of the super delegates aren't chosen by the general populace, and they are not bound by the votes in their respective states. If they end up making the difference in the nomination -- especially if the winner came into the convention in second place -- there is a strong possibility of disenchanting a good portion of the party's base, potentially costing the party the election...

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008dncconvention; antidemocratic; base; demprimary; hillary; wedowhatwewishscrewu
The Democratic Party is circumventing the democratic process by creating unelected super delegates who account for a large part of the votes needed for the nomination. The L. A. Times is worried that Hillary will use these delegates to disenfranchise Obama. They think this could cost the dems the 2008 election.
1 posted on 01/19/2008 3:37:17 AM PST by Puzzleman
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To: Puzzleman

I sure hope so.


2 posted on 01/19/2008 3:46:18 AM PST by SatinDoll (Fredhead and proud of it!)
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To: Puzzleman

Unfortunately for us, I don’t think the RAT leaders are stupid enough to make this blunder. If Obama wins an outright majority or plurality of the primary vote, I think a majority super delegates will go with Obama.

After all, there isn’t a human being on earth who actually LOVES the Clintons. Not even the Clintons themselves.

Well, let me correct that. Hillary loves herself. Bill loves himself. I have no idea who Chelsea loves. But Bill doesn’t love Hillary nor does she love him.

(Now I have to go wash my mouth out with soap just for thinking about “Clinton” and “love” at the same time.)


3 posted on 01/19/2008 4:29:01 AM PST by samtheman
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To: SatinDoll; Puzzleman
This fix is in for Billary. Obama could win the rest of the states wrt delegates but she will still get the nomination.

When Billary gets the nomination the RAT party will be destroyed (crossing my fingers).

4 posted on 01/19/2008 4:32:15 AM PST by Toadman ((molon labe))
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To: Puzzleman

Democrats have already disenfranchised the whole state of Michigan. I am not sure why commentators are not pointing that out.


5 posted on 01/19/2008 4:35:10 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Puzzleman
Super Delegates were the Democrat Party's solution to a previous problem, when their dumbed-down, screwball supporters kept voting for unelectable nutcases. So, the DNC decided that voting for unelectable nutcases was a job for the professionals. Voila, Super Delegates.

Actually, Super Delegates are a model of what the Democrat Party wants to bring to the Federal Government. They would like a permanent class of experts to control the Senate and the House, because you never know, what those pesky voters are liable to do. They could actually vote in Republicans, that's how stupid the voters are.

6 posted on 01/19/2008 5:05:38 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: samtheman
(Now I have to go wash my mouth out with soap just for thinking about “Clinton” and “love” at the same time.)

Or you can just swallow.
7 posted on 01/19/2008 5:11:03 AM PST by Philly Nomad
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To: Puzzleman

The rat perverts what he touches, doen’t he?


8 posted on 01/19/2008 5:13:34 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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To: Puzzleman
The super delegates, like so many politicians, operate under my "Blackmail Theory of Politics".

If you have the dirty goods on the super delegate and the other guy dosen't you get their vote.

While this clearly favors the "FBI files" Clinton criminal gang I do know of examples where the state party has the goods on local super-delegates and the state party supports Obama.

Democratic politics in the real world is a very grimy business.
9 posted on 01/19/2008 5:17:54 AM PST by cgbg (Election 2008: A Long Ride On A Hillarinobama Short Bus.)
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To: Puzzleman
The whole world's watching...The whole world's watching...No justice, no peace.

Dump the Hump.

I just can't WAIT for this. I wish the convention was tomorrow.

10 posted on 01/19/2008 5:31:01 AM PST by Jim Noble (Trails of trouble, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
a model of what the Democrat Party wants to bring to the Federal Government. They would like a permanent class of experts to control the Senate and the House, because you never know, what those pesky voters are liable to do.

Actually, this describes very well the attitude of both major parties, all of the media, all of the lobbyists, and the entire permanent government represented by the civil service and the NGOs (we call them foundations here).

They all HATE, HATE, HATE elections, the very idea that one of them (or all of them) could lose the best job any of them will ever have over the uninformed actions of a bunch of rednecks and yahoos.

So, collectively, they do everything they can to control the elections they cannot (yet) prevent.

The People of the United States have ENORMOUS latent power, as much as the monarch in England - and almost as little chance of using it.

It is a bitter disappointment to me that the high water mark of the red-white-blue people power revolution came in 1994, and that we will not see such again in our lifetimes.

This farce of a "process" to select two loser candidates eleven months before OUR election, so that the maximum amount of advertising dollars can be extracted from the "two party system" while the people are deprived of any meaningful choice, again, is near collapse.

My hope is that there will be four or more candidates this year and that the President will be elected by the People's House, while the media melts down over the phony "Constitutional Crisis".

This would serve the function of a "Fully Informed Electorate Act", to teach our people how much power they really have.

Until the present rigged game is overthrown, nothing can change.

11 posted on 01/19/2008 5:47:31 AM PST by Jim Noble (Trails of trouble, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
Super Delegates were the Democrat Party's solution to a previous problem, when their dumbed-down, screwball supporters kept voting for unelectable nutcases.

McGovern. And it's interesting that he was the first nominee after the Dems implemented affirmative action for their delegates after the Chicago riots.

12 posted on 01/19/2008 5:52:17 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Puzzleman

Help. I’ve been disenfranchised. said the Obama supporters


13 posted on 01/19/2008 5:53:51 AM PST by NeoCaveman (It's a Texas Hold Em Primary and Fred is "All In" in South Carolina)
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To: Jim Noble
My hope is that there will be four or more candidates this year and that the President will be elected by the People's House, while the media melts down over the phony "Constitutional Crisis".

Interesting. What makes you think there wouldn't be some pretty slimy dealmaking in the rooms of the House of Reps, if your scenario ensues? And I cannot recal, but does the Constitution require reps voting for the tied candidates, or can they elect anyone?

14 posted on 01/19/2008 6:05:56 AM PST by TheGeezer (I.will.never.vote.for.John.McCain.)
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To: Puzzleman

Its a natural fit. The Democrats already have unelected elites legislating from the bench.


15 posted on 01/19/2008 6:12:19 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Puzzleman
The Democratic Party is circumventing the democratic process by creating unelected super delegates who account for a large part of the votes needed for the nomination. The L. A. Times is worried that Hillary will use these delegates to disenfranchise Obama. They think this could cost the dems the 2008 election.

Hillary only needs the Diebold vote to win...

16 posted on 01/19/2008 6:14:58 AM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: Vigilanteman

Not to mention Senate and House Staffers that write the bills and see to their passage while a good majority of Senators and congressmen are clueless to the bills contents.

Only the diligent efforts of lobbyist groups who actually read the bills save us from many of their onerous proposals. I still believe that elected congresspersons only be allowed 2 staff, a chief and a secretary period.


17 posted on 01/19/2008 6:23:31 AM PST by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: Toadman

“This fix is in for Billary. Obama could win the rest of the states wrt delegates but she will still get the nomination.”

How delicious this would be after all the whining the Dems have done since 2000 that Algore got the majority of votes, but Pres. Bush was “selected” president. Of course, the msm would work hard to cover up this irony.


18 posted on 01/19/2008 6:26:26 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Puzzleman

It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.

—Joseph Stalin


19 posted on 01/19/2008 6:29:43 AM PST by Samwise (Fred doesn't suffer fools or the media. Did I repeat myself?)
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To: Puzzleman

Superdelegates represent fully 40% of all delegates to the Democrat National Convention. They include the states’ Senators, Congressmen, DNC members, and various other elected and appointed officials. That is a hugh percentage to overcome, should most of them go for Clinton.


20 posted on 01/19/2008 6:31:24 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: TheGeezer
And I cannot recal, but does the Constitution require reps voting for the tied candidates, or can they elect anyone?

They must choose between the top two electoral vote getters, each state gets one vote (California = Wyoming).

Interestingly, the Senate chooses the VP from among the top three EV getters, and each Senator gets one vote.

This was done, I presume, so that if the House deadlocked there would always be a VP-elect to serve as President, since the Senate by definition cannot have a three-way tie if each Senator votes.

By the way, Jimmy and Tommy expected this process would be used frequently, and in fact that's how TJ was elected in 1800.

21 posted on 01/19/2008 6:36:20 AM PST by Jim Noble (Trails of trouble, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: MurryMom
...there is a strong possibility of disenchanting a good portion of the party's base, potentially costing the party the election...

They aren't called democratics for nuthin'!

22 posted on 01/19/2008 6:36:36 AM PST by Libloather (Do animals pollute the planet by exhaling, too?)
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To: Puzzleman

The Democrats always rig everything ... Vote fraud is the only way anyone would elect these fascists.


23 posted on 01/19/2008 6:38:06 AM PST by Tarpon (Ignorance, the most expensive commodity produced by mankind.)
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To: Puzzleman

They want to get rid of the Electoral College or award Electoral Votes based on the national popular vote contrary to state voters

BUT

They want to keep super-delegates who can override their own party’s voters and select the second place candidate.


24 posted on 01/19/2008 6:38:52 AM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Always Right
Democrats have already disenfranchised the whole state of Michigan.

I wonder how that is going to play in the general election?

I am not sure why commentators are not pointing that out.

Because they are unbiased and seek only to report the news with out personal opinion or to promote an political agenda. (rolling eyes)

25 posted on 01/19/2008 6:47:31 AM PST by Popman (Gold Standard: Trying to squeeze a 50 lb economy back into a 5 lb bag)
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To: Puzzleman

Thanks for posting the article about super delegates. I never understood that process before. The Democrats sure can’t let the democratic process play out can they.


26 posted on 01/19/2008 7:32:02 AM PST by Utah Girl
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To: Puzzleman

I thought they had 852 Super Delegates.


27 posted on 01/19/2008 7:42:49 AM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: chilepepper

I’m a little slow this morning, but I read in local paper last night that electronic voting is going to be replaced in OHIO by some kind of paper ballots - not sure if they are what we have been using in this part of the state (punching with a stylus) - probably that would be it.

Hanging chads in Ohio? I can’t wait.


28 posted on 01/19/2008 7:43:44 AM PST by SusaninOhio
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To: Puzzleman

Here is an additional discussion - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1948856/posts


29 posted on 01/19/2008 7:44:04 AM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Puzzleman

In 2008, the 796 super delegates will make up about 20% of the entire convention. Winning the nomination requires 2,025 delegates.


30 posted on 01/19/2008 7:50:56 AM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Jim Noble
...since the Senate by definition cannot have a three-way tie if each Senator votes.

Actually, they can if the number of states is an integral multiple of three (not currently the case, but has been many times in the past).

31 posted on 01/19/2008 7:57:20 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Puzzleman
It would be better than to gather them all in a domed football stadium somewhere in an exotic location, uncommitted, and let them go for the nomination - no holds barred.

sort of like the ol time smoked filled party convention rooms from which a nominee would emerge.

save a bunch of bucks at the same time and the media would go absolutely crazy.

32 posted on 01/19/2008 8:21:47 AM PST by elpadre
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To: elpadre

“It would be better than to gather..”

correction - “better to gather,”


33 posted on 01/19/2008 8:24:38 AM PST by elpadre
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To: Moonman62
Jabba: Super Delegates were the Democrat Party's solution to a previous problem, when their dumbed-down, screwball supporters kept voting for unelectable nutcases.

Moon: McGovern. And it's interesting that he was the first nominee after the Dems implemented affirmative action for their delegates after the Chicago riots.

Great exchange. Great observations, both!

34 posted on 01/19/2008 9:18:10 AM PST by Steely Tom (Steely's First Law of the Main Stream Media: if it doesn't advance the agenda, it's not news.)
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To: Puzzleman

As I said on another post, the leftists have remained true to form and established an American Politburo for their party. Ideological cohesion is what they’re about. Sadly, it is too esoteric a concern for most people.


35 posted on 01/19/2008 4:20:29 PM PST by redpoll
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To: Jim Noble

You’re right, that probably is the attitude for both major parties, etc. The problem for the GOP is theat their voters or rather potential voters have principles and won’t vote for just anything with an R behind it. So, the GOP has the attitude, but they’re screwed, because their voters still make choices. Black Americans are screwed every election, because they vote as a block for people, who simply use and abuse them. Let’s hope the battle between Hillary and Barack becomes so bitter, so poisoned, that when Hillary finally pushes the Black man aside, the blinders will fall from the eyes of Black Americans and the will wake up.


36 posted on 01/26/2008 8:15:07 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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