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Some fictional horrors of war
OC Register ^ | Jan. 19, 2008 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 01/19/2008 6:11:40 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets

Have you been in an airport recently and maybe seen a gaggle of America's heroes returning from Iraq? And you've probably thought, "Ah, what a marvelous sight. Remind me to straighten up the old 'Support Our Troops' fridge magnet, which seems to have slipped down below the reminder to reschedule my acupuncturist. Maybe I should go over and thank them for their service."

No, no, no, under no account approach them. Instead, try to avoid making eye contact and back away slowly toward the sign for the parking garage. You're in the presence of mentally damaged violent killers who could snap at any moment.

(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; War on Terror
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Alternate title: As Casualties Decline, Some Question the Stability of the Media
1 posted on 01/19/2008 6:11:41 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I always walk right up and say “Thank you for your service to our country. You are a hero.” They smile bashfully and say “Your welcome” or something like “Yes ma’am.” It’s great.


2 posted on 01/19/2008 6:15:04 AM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

It is one of the pleasures of my life, that when I see a person in uniform, to say, “On behalf of myself and my family, thank you for your service to our country” and shake their hand.

It is an honor, as well. And it doesn’t matter where I am.


3 posted on 01/19/2008 6:15:48 AM PST by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

YOU ARE SICK


4 posted on 01/19/2008 6:19:48 AM PST by Schichtel (Scorch)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Steyn always nails it. But this time, he nailed it with a 10-penny nail, repeatedly. It is a delight, and a tribute to Steyn's research, that he found and brought in the work of our friend Iowahawk.

Great work by Steyn. There are thousands of national politicians and media pundits who would increase their knowledge about the war by 1,000% just by reading, and understanding, this one article on the subject.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article, "Snow, Ice, and Lame Tom"

A Freeper in Congress? Please act now.

5 posted on 01/19/2008 6:27:33 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
"Unrelated incidents, or mounting evidence that America's newsrooms have become a breeding ground for murderous, drunk, gun-wielding child molesters?"

You have to love Iowahawk.

6 posted on 01/19/2008 6:31:14 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (A good marriage is like a casserole, only those responsible for it really know what goes into it.)
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To: Schichtel

Read the full article.


7 posted on 01/19/2008 6:33:35 AM PST by Slings and Arrows ("Those who surrender personal liberty for lower global temperatures will receive neither."--weegee)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Have we found those tens of thousands of homeless veterans of the WoT yet?


8 posted on 01/19/2008 6:37:50 AM PST by cake_crumb (Being a preacher DOES NOT exempt you from being a liar and a crook)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

The very best way of greeting returning vets? A job fair.

Even though the law says that deployed military personnel cannot be fired, many employers do so anyway. There is no easy way to even guess how many returning vets are in need of immediate employment (15%? 30%?).

And right now, many businesses are starting layoffs with the idea of some degree of economic recession in the near term.

But the idea that there are a bunch of prospective employers out there who *prefer* to hire vets, would be the best news that many vets could see, other than returning to their families.


9 posted on 01/19/2008 6:39:07 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Terrific article. It should be on the op ed page today of any paper that wants/cares to rescue its credibility.
10 posted on 01/19/2008 6:39:14 AM PST by Melinda
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Yeah, that was a laugher.


11 posted on 01/19/2008 6:39:57 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Consider the sheer desperation of the Times’ stunt. It is the pathetic lashing out of a political persuasion that has long since lost the ability to win hearts and minds in honest debate. The Left never really debated anyone though, or was honest.

Their tactic was to always speak in broad terms of “compassion” and “caring’ and “inclusion” and “open mindedness” while they worked to undermine and destroy the thing they hate to the very core of their being: America and her Judaeo-Christian enlightenment and mores. This stunt actually worked in the early ‘70’s, just as most of what they did between the ‘50’s through the 70’s bore fruit but they’ve lost a lot of traction now and things are really getting interesting.

12 posted on 01/19/2008 6:46:40 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Heck, last time I ran into some GIs in chocolate chips, I paid for their lunches (they were in the line behind me at the Wendy’s at Atlanta-Hartsfield. . .)


13 posted on 01/19/2008 6:52:59 AM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: Congressman Billybob

I hope that our current crop of young veterans will, in the future, do to those who are Viet Namming them today exactly what the SVfT, VVaJK, Families of POW/MIA Against John Kerry and numerous other groups did to those who “Viet Nammed” THEM.


14 posted on 01/19/2008 6:55:07 AM PST by cake_crumb (Being a preacher DOES NOT exempt you from being a liar and a crook)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Oh, cripes. So the NYT is trying to “Kerryize” the troops again. You remember John Kerry? He was the guy who promoted the rumors (all false) that US Troops were murdering savages who raped children by the thousands in Vietnam.

Later the exact same media tactics were used against Vietnam vets by the MSM. I recall having people back away from me at parties if they learned I was a Nam vet. Stories were rampant about Vietnam vets who went wacko. None of the stories noted that the proportion of Nam vets who went nuts was lower than the proportion of, say, psychiatrists or policemen or liberals. Same same as the NYT today. They are boocoo #10 haters of the troops. I say some tripwired claymores set up outside the NYT offices cure their viciousness permanently. (Just kidding). Sorry ‘bout that.


15 posted on 01/19/2008 6:56:33 AM PST by Seruzawa
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
"But the idea that there are a bunch of prospective employers out there who *prefer* to hire vets, would be the best news that many vets could see, other than returning to their families"

That's another thing: the left did such a thorough job of painting out Viet Nam veterans as lunatic, drug addicted serial killers that it got to the point where they stopped filling in the spot for military service on job applications that had them....because employers refused to hire lunatic, drug addicted serial killers. Only veterans hired veterans, and eventually, OVER THIRTY YEARS, they acheived some kind of equilibrium, and 35 years later even a measure of justice against those who wronged them.

It breaks my heart again to see it happening...AGAIN.

16 posted on 01/19/2008 6:59:10 AM PST by cake_crumb (Being a preacher DOES NOT exempt you from being a liar and a crook)
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To: Judith Anne; yldstrk
It is an honor, as well. And it doesn’t matter where I am.

And even if they act shy or embarrassed, trust me, they appreciate the personally expressed gratitude.

It's such a nice balance to all of the garbage the media spews forth.

17 posted on 01/19/2008 7:05:07 AM PST by Allegra (It'll be a cold day in Hell when it snows in Baghdad.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
"Unrelated incidents, or mounting evidence that America's newsrooms have become a breeding ground for murderous, drunk, gun-wielding child molesters?"

In another posting of the Slimes story, someone rounded up a bunch of headlines about people who were facing foreclosure on their homes who "went postal", suggesting (sarcastically, of course) that home ownership be banned.

18 posted on 01/19/2008 7:07:12 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

The original NYT article seems to have crawled back under the rock it was found beneath. Usually, the drive-by media would have kept this in the news cycle for at least a week or more. So baseless and poorly reckoned were the statistics played in that article that the usual front page propaganda never really had any traction.

Of course, all the revealing postmortems on that article, such as this ocregister one, are even more difficult to find.

In the old days, pre-pajamas media, the original would have run its usual course, and slandered/libeled the subjects.


19 posted on 01/19/2008 7:13:33 AM PST by GreenAccord (Bacon Akbar!)
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To: Allegra

Well, I’m a little old lady so lots of times I get a hug. :D


20 posted on 01/19/2008 7:21:28 AM PST by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: Schichtel
YOU ARE SICK

Yes, I am sick and tired of the LSM, the 'RATs, trolls...

21 posted on 01/19/2008 7:39:03 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Being an idealist excuses nothing. Hitler was an idealist.)
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To: Seruzawa
You remember John Kerry?

John Kerry? That name sounds familar. He was in Vietnam, wasn't he?

22 posted on 01/19/2008 7:42:21 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Being an idealist excuses nothing. Hitler was an idealist.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
The Left is crazed. They really do need psychotherapy. The very people who question the sanity of the troops never question their own assumptions. As far as wars go, the Iraq War should be cause for celebration. But not to people who retreat to a doom and gloom fantasy world in which nothing ever goes right for the United States. The MSM's evolving reporting of the troops as psychopaths looting, raping and mass murdering in Iraq to psychopaths, looting, raping and murdering at home has been real subtle. So much for the Left's claim to support the troops.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

23 posted on 01/19/2008 7:55:03 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: namsman
"Unrelated incidents, or mounting evidence that America's newsrooms have become a breeding ground for murderous, drunk, gun-wielding child molesters?"

Once again, Steyn nails it!

Everyone: READ THE ENTIRE ARTICLE!!!!!

24 posted on 01/19/2008 7:55:26 AM PST by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: cake_crumb

We cannot let it happen again. It is up to us to stop it anywhere and everywhere we see it. I was too young to have affected it for Vietnam, I’ll be damned if I’m going to allow it to happen again.


25 posted on 01/19/2008 7:57:50 AM PST by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: Salgak

Yuck, I havent seen chocolate chips since about 1998. Quite possibly(IMO) the ugliest uniforms ever. Now the new digi’s are just great looking.


26 posted on 01/19/2008 8:00:03 AM PST by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: IowaHawk

WTG, hawk


27 posted on 01/19/2008 8:12:34 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: goldstategop

The Left is crazed they really do need psychotherapy with a hefty dose of physical-therapy, aka a bump on the head too.


28 posted on 01/19/2008 8:34:46 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

One of the real shames of the Iraq war and aftermath have been the failure of the claimed “conservative” commentators to have the guts to go against the PC-beltway-Dim line and point out that while each casualty is sad, the US casualty rate in the war on terrorism and the Iraqi theater of operations of the war on terrorism particularly have been quite low. I am glad to see Mark Steyn have the guts to step up.

Those interested should look at US KIA rates in past wars or really compare them to the US population. A thesis of mine is that only because the casualty rate is so low do the press and Dims dare run down the war effort and the troops. If the casualty rate were high, they would be more circumspect in such criticism because in every audience there would be a mother, brother, father, sister, son, daugher etc of one of those who died in battle who likely would be offended by such talk.


29 posted on 01/19/2008 8:36:34 AM PST by JLS
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To: Seruzawa
I say some tripwired claymores set up outside the NYT offices cure their viciousness permanently. (Just kidding).

Dude, don't harsh my buzz.

30 posted on 01/19/2008 8:51:02 AM PST by Slings and Arrows ("Those who surrender personal liberty for lower global temperatures will receive neither."--weegee)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
I'm not going to search for the post, but about 6-9 months ago, I predicted on FR that the Old Media would do precisely this, especially if we started doing well in the war.

You can tell what the media is going to do in Iraq coverage by following their history in Vietnam. It was rather late in the Vietnam war before the media turned to John Kerry's psycho-babykillers narrative.

31 posted on 01/19/2008 8:55:17 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

National Journal’s lengthy and precise coverage of critiques of the “study”:

http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/databomb/index.htm


32 posted on 01/19/2008 9:17:43 AM PST by angkor ("We are not very many mistakes away from a second Holocaust." Newt Gingrich, Nov 15 2007)
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To: knews_hound

ping!


33 posted on 01/20/2008 9:16:52 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
In 2008, the editors of the Times, our college professors and Hollywood celebrities, are horrified by a fiction. Faced with a historically low cost of war, they retreat into fantasy. Who's really suffering from mental trauma? Who needs the psychotherapy here?

The answer is clear but the problem seems to be systemic.

34 posted on 01/20/2008 9:24:07 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Rummyfan; Pokey78; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; deport; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; ...
Pinging the NEW Mark Steyn Ping List.



This is a consolidation of Pokeys List and the new Steyn List.

Pokey has taken time off from FR for Family reasons and I have taken over the original Steyn List.

On or off, FReepmail  or Ping me.

Cheers,

knewshound

knewshounds blog
35 posted on 01/20/2008 2:26:26 PM PST by knews_hound (I drive a Hybrid. It burns both gas AND rubber.)
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To: knews_hound

please keep me on the Steyn list

thanks!!


36 posted on 01/20/2008 2:31:14 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Fred '08 The CONSERVATIVE CHOICE)
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To: knews_hound

Hurrah! I was wondering what happened to the old Steyn list.


37 posted on 01/20/2008 2:31:51 PM PST by Terpfen (It's your fault, not Pelosi's.)
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To: knews_hound

Me too, I LOVE Steyn!


38 posted on 01/20/2008 2:40:14 PM PST by The Right Stuff
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To: knews_hound

Thanks for the Ping! I love that man. :)


39 posted on 01/20/2008 2:57:44 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: knews_hound

Thanks for picking up the task!


40 posted on 01/20/2008 3:00:57 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: knews_hound

On, please! Thanks for the ping!


41 posted on 01/20/2008 3:13:24 PM PST by alwaysconservative (My memory's not as good as it used to be. Also, my memory's not as good as it used to be.)
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To: Pokey78; Tolik

Steyn ping. He’s pretty spot on here.


42 posted on 01/20/2008 4:18:29 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: knews_hound

Thanks for the ping and taking over the list. Viva Steyn indeed!


43 posted on 01/20/2008 5:15:19 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: knews_hound

Yes, PLEASE keep me on the Steyn Ping list, and thank you very much.

Dave—(Moonhawk)


44 posted on 01/20/2008 6:35:24 PM PST by moonhawk (Fear and Loathing in '08: Hunter/Thompson)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets; Harmless Teddy Bear
There is more than a grain of truth to your comment, and to Iowahawk's now-famous Bylines of Brutality.

Broadcast journalism in particular is propbably the most competitive and fastest paced profession in the world. There are only a handful of job openings for each new graduating class, and even some of those do not go to journalism school graduates. The stakes in turn are enormously high. Fame and immense fortune can result for the lucky few, and utter failure for a lot more. One cannot help but wonder what kind of driven, obsessive personality is required to reach the very top in such an environment.

On top of that, we have the journalism culture itself, the characteristic internal culture of the media-industrial complex as I have called it. As documented by Thomas Frank in his brilliant cultural history, The Conquest of Cool, this internal culture is still solidly based on the counterculture of the 1960s. This brings its own set of attendant problems and distortions.

45 posted on 01/20/2008 6:58:42 PM PST by atomic conspiracy (Rousing the blog-rabble since 9-11-01)
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To: knews_hound

Yes, please keep me on the Steyn list, thanks.


46 posted on 01/20/2008 8:30:03 PM PST by LibWhacker (Democrats are phony Americans)
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To: knews_hound

Oh, yeah! Keep me on the Steyn list!


47 posted on 01/20/2008 9:46:23 PM PST by RhoTheta ("I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you." NOT!)
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To: knews_hound; Pokey78
Thanks for the ping.

Hope all works out well for Pokey78; thanks to him also.

48 posted on 01/21/2008 4:00:26 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Tax-chick

bttt


49 posted on 01/21/2008 4:58:14 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Gently alluding to the indisputably obvious is not gloating." ~Richard John Neuhaus)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Steyn is brilliant, as usual.


50 posted on 01/21/2008 6:39:17 AM PST by TChris ("if somebody agrees with me 70% of the time, rather than 100%, that doesn’t make him my enemy." -RR)
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