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Scots ask US to lift haggis ban
The BBC ^ | January 20, 2008

Posted on 01/20/2008 9:33:32 AM PST by Stoat

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To: Stoat

Haggis isn’t much different than hot dogs and sausages in “natural casing”, which is intestines.

In other countries, offal is the basis of some gourmet dishes, such as sweetbreads (thymus gland of a calf), calf brains with brown butter, etc. Then there’s European peasant food: pigs feet, head cheese, and blood sausage.


51 posted on 01/20/2008 11:23:35 AM PST by LibFreeOrDie
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To: Hegemony Cricket
I’ve never had Haggis, but I have to wonder if the main objection is that you know what’s in it. I mean - do you eat hotdogs?

You're probably right about knowing what's in it. I've eaten quite a lot of interesting dishes in my life - armadillo, gator, snake, reindeer, tongue and pepperoni pizza but that gray gooshy blob seriously doesn't look appetizing.

52 posted on 01/20/2008 11:34:59 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Stoat

sounds offal


53 posted on 01/20/2008 11:38:11 AM PST by Porterville (I hasten karmic justice through revenge.)
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To: Stoat

“believes the American market could be a very lucrative one.”

If true, we have strong, revolting, evidence of the decline of intelligence in the American voter.


54 posted on 01/20/2008 11:52:44 AM PST by A Strict Constructionist (We have become an oligarchy not a Republic.)
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To: Gman

The checkout lady at the supermarket yesterday appeared to have rather spectacular tatties and neeps.


55 posted on 01/20/2008 11:56:09 AM PST by Octar
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To: Stoat
Haggis, eee-yuk. Number 3 on the list of 10 Things I Never Want to Eat.

(#2 = balut)
(#1 = lutefisk)

56 posted on 01/20/2008 12:03:33 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Stoat; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; Darksheare; OSHA; martin_fierro; ...

"Get in mah BELLY!"



57 posted on 01/20/2008 12:07:39 PM PST by Slings and Arrows ("Those who surrender personal liberty for lower global temperatures will receive neither."--weegee)
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To: Stoat
I have read the thread so far.

Is the consensus that haggis is disgusting and therefore should be illegal to import?

58 posted on 01/20/2008 12:12:02 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Hegemony Cricket

only from a local butcher here in town, i know what is in them! they are kinda pricey for hot dogs but they don’t sweep the kill room floor for the stuff to put in them


59 posted on 01/20/2008 12:16:59 PM PST by Jewels1091
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To: Rudder
I actually sell canned haggis in my store. It is really popular.

To each his own.....

60 posted on 01/20/2008 12:21:32 PM PST by Churchillspirit
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To: Snickering Hound

Mmmmmm...sheep’s lung...


61 posted on 01/20/2008 12:32:11 PM PST by Round 9
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I haven’t enjoyed such a fit a lafter in years. Thank ye.


62 posted on 01/20/2008 12:43:06 PM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: NVDave; tubebender
You’re not about to see that served up on the Food Network by any of their shiney-happy-people chefs.

Actually...

Haggis
Recipe courtesy Alton Brown
Show:  Good Eats
Episode:  Oat Cuisine
1 sheep stomach
1 sheep liver
1 sheep heart
1 sheep tongue
1/2 pound suet, minced
3 medium onions, minced
1/2 pound dry oats, toasted
1 teaspoon kosher salt
1/2 teaspoon ground black pepper
1 teaspoon dried ground herbs

Rinse the stomach thoroughly and soak overnight in cold salted water.

Rinse the liver, heart, and tongue. In a large pot of boiling, salted water, cook these parts over medium heat for 2 hours. Remove and mince. Remove any gristle or skin and discard.

In a large bowl, combine the minced liver, heart, tongue, suet, onions, and toasted oats. Season with salt, pepper, and dried herbs. Moisten with some of the cooking water so the mixture binds. Remove the stomach from the cold salted water and fill 2/3 with the mixture. Sew or tie the stomach closed. Use a turning fork to pierce the stomach several times. This will prevent the haggis from bursting.

In a large pot of boiling water, gently place the filled stomach, being careful not to splash. Cook over high heat for 3 hours.

Serve with mashed potatoes, if you serve it at all.


63 posted on 01/20/2008 12:58:28 PM PST by glock rocks (I used to think I was really smart. In fact, I used to be really smart. Now I have teenagers.)
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To: Stoat

No, dear God the humanity. Caving to the haggis eaters will cause the downfall of American society. The little pouches will be everywhere. Of the smell......s/


64 posted on 01/20/2008 1:02:45 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Obama - all smoke not even a mirror.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Thanks - I didn’t know Burns wrote that.


65 posted on 01/20/2008 1:12:02 PM PST by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: glock rocks

I am willing to accept the fact you hate me if you can just tell me why.

I’ll deal with Alton later...


66 posted on 01/20/2008 2:10:24 PM PST by tubebender
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To: nkycincinnatikid
I haven’t enjoyed such a fit a lafter in years. Thank ye.

Aye. I' had me p!$$!n' me knickers as well.

67 posted on 01/20/2008 2:11:12 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Bureaucracy is a parasite that preys on Free Thought and suffocates Free Spirit.)
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To: Ditter

Sorry, but that is just a load of Brigadoon bollocks...

1-—Scotland 20 years ago or now was not/is not a poor country, we are part of Britain, one of the most powerful economic countries in the world.

And the notion that Scotland was in times past a backward, poor nation, threadbare is Hollywood nonsense also. Scotland from the 11th century was a thriving trading partner to Europe until the union with England in 1707, and since then has been a driving force in men and product behind the Empire and the modern post-Empire Britain. And Scotland has always been rich in natural finds, from the ancient mining of the Celts to North Sea Oil of today....

Like any country, it has had moments of economic downturn and its has had/had its poorer areas.

2—Ignoring the silly aside of rich American, I can perhaps explain WHY the woman refused it...

Firstly,she cannot refuse any parcel except for Royal Mail rules. If you were posting hardcore porn, as long as its legal, she copuldnt/cant.

Which brings me onto the reason I believe she refused. There are 3 types of postal service from Britain to America:

a—a main Royal Mail post office branch
b—a ‘sub post office’, these are set into shops and are mainly prevelant in smaller towns
c—’Parcelforce’, a section of the RM which deals exclusively with heavy parcels

Now based on your story, I think you were in b—a sub post office. And THATS why she refused. Sub PO’s are only allowed to handle certain sizes, prices and weights of parcels, domestic or international. Due to volume of delivery and RM insurance liability.

What she SHOULD have done is either direct you to a larger ‘main branch’ in the town IF they had one OR a Parcelforce office IF again they had one.

Common sense, IF there were NO other PO’s of any type in the town, should have dictated that she took it and posted it after speaking to a senior manager.

Technically, she was correct if it was a sub PO in a small town and it was a book or parcel ‘too large’. But common sense should have seen her take your money.

Hope that explains. Perhaps you can give more detauls about the incident and I can help answer.


68 posted on 01/20/2008 3:48:51 PM PST by the scotsman
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To: Doe Eyes; alice_in_bubbaland
I have read the thread so far.

You are to be commended for being a tough, battle-hardened soldier  :-)

Is the consensus that haggis is disgusting and therefore should be illegal to import?

I haven't gotten that impression.  It seems that most find it revolting and therefore would not wish to eat it unless perhaps a large-caliber gun were at their heads, although because most (hopefully all) here are unrepentant, unapologetic Capitalists I don't think that people want it to be illegal but to allow people to buy what they want.

I think also that some are of the impression that the Scots eat it because they enjoy the taste so very much and many readers have a hard time with this, understandably so, when in fact in many cases this is not why it's eaten at all, but as a means of connecting with their heritage.

That at least is the impression conveyed to me, particularly after seeing the very worthwhile video at post #11 here so kindly provided by alice_in_bubbaland

69 posted on 01/20/2008 3:54:01 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Thank you very much for pinging your list  :-)

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70 posted on 01/20/2008 4:03:45 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
I haven't gotten that impression.

It is currently illegal to import it into the USA. What is your position on this?

71 posted on 01/20/2008 4:06:36 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Churchillspirit
I actually sell canned haggis in my store. It is really popular.

Interesting. I'd like to know more: Where is your store? Is it solely a food market? Last, but not least, how many stomachs to a can?

I guess if you're raised on the stuff, you would consider it good eats. Ever try "head cheese?"

72 posted on 01/20/2008 4:07:30 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Doe Eyes
I haven't gotten that impression.

It is currently illegal to import it into the USA. What is your position on this?

The import ban is based upon health concerns, namely the BSE issue.  Our Scottish Friends assure us that it's fine, and that they have the most stringent BSE controls in the world.  Is that good enough, in the event of an outbreak?  I don't know.  I'm not sure that anyone knows for sure, given the time required for evidence of BSE to be detectable in an affected person.  But by that measure I shouldn't be eating my occasional steak or hamburger, which I believe is essential for proper health  :-)

And I of course refuse to do that.

So, I'm guessing that once again this is a matter of the various US Government agencies taking far longer to make policy changes than they need to.  They love to ban things quickly, but most Governments take forever to un-ban them.

So, my position is that if haggis passes the same food safety controls that meat products do in the USA, people should be allowed to import it, buy it and eat it, and take their chances with it just as I do when I eat a steak.

 

73 posted on 01/20/2008 4:26:51 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

I’ve never eaten Haggis, but I think I stepped in some once.


74 posted on 01/20/2008 4:29:48 PM PST by Octar
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To: Stoat

It could be worse. It could be balut. Look it up and prepare to vomit.


75 posted on 01/20/2008 4:31:52 PM PST by Sir Gawain (Fred)
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To: Dagnabitt

“When haggis don’t have offal, the terrorists win.”

LOL That would be a great Tagline


76 posted on 01/20/2008 4:32:17 PM PST by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Ah, you know of the balut as well.


77 posted on 01/20/2008 4:34:13 PM PST by Sir Gawain (Fred)
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To: Rudder

Thank you for making me snort carbonated soda through my sinuses.


78 posted on 01/20/2008 4:34:32 PM PST by darkangel82 (And the band played on....)
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To: Redbob; Maggie Maggie Maggie
If the market for haggis was so “massive” here in the U.S., there’d be an American maker of the stuff.

There’s not?

Please see the very helpful post #35 by Maggie Maggie Maggie

79 posted on 01/20/2008 4:38:03 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: darkangel82
Thank you for making me snort carbonated soda through my sinuses.


80 posted on 01/20/2008 4:43:08 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

*snfff* Thanks.


81 posted on 01/20/2008 4:44:07 PM PST by darkangel82 (And the band played on....)
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To: A Strict Constructionist
If true, we have strong, revolting, evidence of the decline of intelligence in the American voter.

As if we needed anymore after yesterday!

82 posted on 01/20/2008 4:44:21 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Mike Huckabee: If Gomer Pyle and Hugo Chavez had a love child this is who it would be.)
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To: darkangel82
Thank you for making me snort carbonated soda through my sinuses.

All the better to purge out those wee bits o' haggis.

83 posted on 01/20/2008 4:50:08 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Redbob
Also please note this line from the posted article:

Only an offal-free version of haggis is available in the US.

I'm guessing that for a Scotsman, an offal-free haggis is not the same thing and for some could be considered an Insult To Scotland much like a Fourth of July without fireworks would be to us here in the USA.

 

84 posted on 01/20/2008 4:50:22 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: darkangel82
*snfff* Thanks.

You're quite welcome  :-)

All of our olfactory senses, passages and orifices need to be in perfect working order for Burns Night  :-)

85 posted on 01/20/2008 4:52:59 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Sir Gawain; NewJerseyJoe

I still consider that lutefish is the worst, sorry I ever asked what it was. To confirm this I would have to Google ‘balut’, and I frankly don’t care to look.


86 posted on 01/20/2008 4:53:34 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Mike Huckabee: If Gomer Pyle and Hugo Chavez had a love child this is who it would be.)
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To: Stoat
My Daughter gave me that book around a year ago. I am only about half way through it. It is tough going but it is interesing how much of the modern world owes it's roots to Scotland.

My ancestors on both sides are about 95% Scottish. The only two I have found who aren't are Irish. Although I love much of Scottish culture such as bagpipes, I will admit Scottish food doesn't appeal to me.

87 posted on 01/20/2008 4:59:26 PM PST by yarddog (`)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Balut is an 18 day old incubated duck egg. The Philipinos eat them like crazy. Peel the shell, add salt and vinegar, and eat it all, even the feathers and the head. Type in balut in youtube and you can see videos of people trying to eat it.


88 posted on 01/20/2008 5:01:44 PM PST by Sir Gawain (Fred)
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To: Stoat

When I visited Edinburgh a few years ago I saw a blatant attempt to win American tourists over to haggis. A stand on the Royal Mile was selling haggis burgers. Sorry, no sale. I had a fine non-haggis lunch at the World’s End pub instead.


89 posted on 01/20/2008 5:07:08 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: Sir Gawain

More information than I really wanted, though it sounds a bit like the Chinese ‘Thousand year Old Eggs’, a hyperbolic name.


90 posted on 01/20/2008 5:14:14 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Mike Huckabee: If Gomer Pyle and Hugo Chavez had a love child this is who it would be.)
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To: squidly
Burns night?


91 posted on 01/20/2008 5:16:11 PM PST by Larry Lucido (Thompson/Hunter 2008)
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To: Stoat
The local Scottish society makes a passable haggis - equal parts beef, lamb and liver, I think.

One of the members of the pipe band I’m in always brings flour tortillas to Burns Nicht.

Haggis fajitas, mmmmmmmmmmm...

92 posted on 01/20/2008 5:24:20 PM PST by decal (Mother Nature and Real Life are conservatives - the Progs have never figured this out.)
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To: sionnsar

Haggis in America!!! Great Scot!


93 posted on 01/20/2008 5:27:42 PM PST by rottndog (This tagline currently closed for maintenance and rehabilitation.)
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To: squidly

Tatties are mashed potatoes. Neeps are turnips. Burns night is a celebration of the poet Robert Burns.

I had eaten Haggis loads of times and thought it was excellent. Then I found out what it was made of and never ate it again.

;)


94 posted on 01/20/2008 5:28:36 PM PST by KarenMarie
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To: Stoat
I like Bad Haggis.
95 posted on 01/20/2008 5:30:46 PM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: the scotsman
I didn’t say that Scotland was a poor country now this thread said it HAD been poor. I said the mentality of being frugal was still there. I was mistaken about the 20 years it was 40 years ago that this happened. It was not porn, it was a picture book of castles but she didn’t know what it was because it was wrapped for mailing. Her reason for not taking it was because it would be too expensive not because her postoffice didn’t take packages. That is funny because it was my money. She was concerned that it would cost *me* too much, she told me that.
96 posted on 01/20/2008 6:07:00 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Sir Gawain; Lucius Cornelius Sulla
> Balut is an 18 day old incubated duck egg. The Philipinos eat them like crazy.

My ship (Navy, 1985-1991) went to the Philippines a number of times in the late 1980s. We called balut "the egg with legs"....

From http://www.deependdining.com/2005/09/balut-egg-of-darkness-pinoy-pinay.html 

Balut is the culinary heart of darkness. If you eat it, you have reservations about doing so. If you know about it, you have strong opinions regarding it. Ask for it in a restaurant and the clerk will visibly react. Devour it at a table with others who aren’t eating it and you’re guaranteed to dine solo. Explain balut to the uninitiated and be prepared for your audience to run away from you as quickly as possible while seeking sanctuary in something comforting like a Ding Dong. I know all this because I’ve had these things happen to me whenever balut is present, physically or conversationally. I have struggled and continue to struggle with eating balut. Superman has his kryptonite and I have balut. It is probably one of the (if not THE) exotic foods I fear most. In fact, I have been putting off reviewing balut for almost a year now for this reason. Why am I so freaked out by balut? Well, how much time do you have? For starters, balut will haunt you after you ingest it. It stays with you forever. I’m not suggesting that I believe in the ghost stories about being possessed after eating balut. I’m speaking more to the traumatic imprinting that might occur when you consume this culturally complex cuisine. Even when I try hard not to think about what I’m eating, somewhere in the dark recesses of my mind I’m aware that I’m eating a fetus, life that is yet to be, something unborn, taboo food. Also, this awareness has nothing to do with political-religious beliefs. It is simply the unappealing idea of eating a fetus.

Other entries on my Top 10 list include Casu Marzu, Baby mice wine, Rocky Mountain oysters, and any kind of brain.

97 posted on 01/20/2008 6:32:09 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: rottndog; arderkrag; Lady Jag; RikaStrom; betsyross; Riverine; Grizzled Bear; GoforBroke; 6323cd; ..
Haggis in America!!! Great Scot!

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98 posted on 01/20/2008 6:32:10 PM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: yarddog
> will admit Scottish food doesn't appeal to me

...I will admit that, a few weeks ago, I tried St. Andrews cheese for the first time. It was one of the most delicious cheeses I ever tasted.

99 posted on 01/20/2008 6:35:16 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Stoat
Macsween, which believes the American market could be a very lucrative one.

Somehow I don't see McHaggis replacing Chicken McNuggets in the Happy Meal.

100 posted on 01/20/2008 6:52:28 PM PST by giotto
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