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Right To Life Group Sends Plastic Fetus In Mail
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Posted on 01/20/2008 1:12:43 PM PST by wagglebee

RACINE, Wis. -- A right to life group in Racine is under fire after mailing controversial material to 44,000 people.

It included an informational letter, a fundraising envelope and a small plastic fetus.

Mystical Listrom said she was not happy with what she found inside when she opened a letter from Wisconsin Right to Life accompanied by a plastic fetus.

"It's my right to choose to do what I want with my body. I shouldn't have people telling me what I can and can't do with my body," Listrom said.

Her neighbor, Glenda Pollock, got the same package.

"If they had sent a letter explaining why they think abortion should not be allowed, I wouldn't have a problem with that. It was the plastic fetus that bothered me," Pollock said.

"We thought it would be appropriate to send out some information to get people talking about the subject," said Dave Obernberger of Wisconsin Right to Life.

Dave and Bonnie Obernberger, with the Racine County chapter of Wisconsin Right to Life, are the people behind the mailing.

They said the plastic figure represents an 11- or 12-week fetus.

They sent it out this week to mark the 35-year anniversary of Roe Vs. Wade, the Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion.

"I pray that they'll look at it a little more than being offended by it, but being educated by it," Dave Obernberger said.

The Obernbergers said they have already gotten some response, and they expect more.

Pollock wasted no time having her voice heard. She brought the package to the post office and mailed it back.

"I had to pay to have it returned because it was a non-profit mailing, which I was happy to pay. It was just over $1 and it was well worth it," Pollock said.

Pollock filed a complaint with the U.S. Postal Service; however, it doesn't appear to be illegal.

Postal officials said it doesn't fit their standards of obscene or lewd, but they said people can fill out a form that would prevent them from getting mail from Wisconsin Right to Life in the future.

The mailers were sent to every home in Racine and to some of the surrounding suburbs.


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"It's my right to choose to do what I want with my body. I shouldn't have people telling me what I can and can't do with my body," Listrom said.

Nobody is telling you what to do with YOUR body, they are merely talking about what to do with the BABY'S body.

1 posted on 01/20/2008 1:12:46 PM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 01/20/2008 1:13:12 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 01/20/2008 1:13:48 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Interesting tactic. Successful as well. In my view, it’s rare that publicity turns out to be a bad thing.


4 posted on 01/20/2008 1:15:54 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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5 posted on 01/20/2008 1:16:22 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: wagglebee

Exactly. The baby is *reliant* on the mother’s body—it isn’t a part of the mother’s body to be destroyed on whims like a majority of abortions do! :*(


6 posted on 01/20/2008 1:16:33 PM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom and proud Rush Conservative! WIN, FRED, WIN!!!)
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To: wagglebee

Wow, plastic fetuses! That’s awful. It’s so much better to kill them. </sarc>


7 posted on 01/20/2008 1:16:53 PM PST by Juan Medén
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To: wagglebee

Wow, plastic fetuses! That’s awful. It’s so much better to kill them. </sarc>


8 posted on 01/20/2008 1:16:53 PM PST by Juan Medén
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To: wagglebee

Maybe they should have just mailed these loud mouthed liberal whiners a real one.


9 posted on 01/20/2008 1:17:33 PM PST by RetiredArmy (America wants socialism. It wants it all for free. It wants the government to provide all.)
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To: wagglebee

I’m sorry but this is not how you win hearts and minds.


10 posted on 01/20/2008 1:18:38 PM PST by ari-freedom (We have to seriously consider our options.)
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To: wagglebee

My prolife group used to give out those little plastic babies outside of high schools. I like to think they were pretty effective in educating young girls.

The other effective thing was the pin of the little unborn baby’s feet...actual size of those of a 3-month’s in utero baby.


11 posted on 01/20/2008 1:18:52 PM PST by Palladin (Rudy on abortion: "I believe in a woman's right to choose.")
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To: wagglebee

People who are bothered by the plastic fetus must have something bothering their conscience.....hmmmmm. Might it be that they did something wrong, or helped someone to do something wrong? Something that strikes to their human core (or spiritual soul), that itch that can’t be scratched...”Out, damned spot!” Yes, it is a human life that is snuffed out with each abortion. And I often wonder if these same people could ever think of what may have happended to them if their own mothers had the right to abortion at the time of their conception?


12 posted on 01/20/2008 1:19:54 PM PST by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: ari-freedom

So, I suppose you think the best approach is to just hope that the pro-abortion crowd just changes their minds?


13 posted on 01/20/2008 1:21:23 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: ari-freedom

B.S.

It’s educational to let these young girls know the size, shape, and development of a 12 week fetus. It counteracts Planned Barrenhood’s lies that “It’s only a lump of tissue.”

If it weren’t very effective, these pro-abortion women wouldn’t be complaining about it.


14 posted on 01/20/2008 1:21:28 PM PST by Palladin (Rudy on abortion: "I believe in a woman's right to choose.")
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To: john drake

Yeah, what’s bothersome is that it looks like a real little teeny weeny baby, and not just a big ‘blob of cells’ like so many abortion-loving killers like to kid themselves!


15 posted on 01/20/2008 1:22:07 PM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom and proud Rush Conservative! WIN, FRED, WIN!!!)
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To: wagglebee
It was the plastic fetus that bothered me,

And has she even bothered to ask herself WHY that is?
16 posted on 01/20/2008 1:22:12 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: wagglebee
It is not a tomato.

It is a baby human that is being murdered by abortion.

People don't like to be reminded of this reality.

17 posted on 01/20/2008 1:23:39 PM PST by FatherofFive (Choose life!)
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To: john drake
People who are bothered by the plastic fetus must have something bothering their conscience

Absolutely right!

I can understand why some people are put-off by pictures of aborted fetuses, but if someone can't handle a plastic doll they have a serious problem.

18 posted on 01/20/2008 1:23:41 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

“It’s my right to choose to do what I want with my body. I shouldn’t have people telling me what I can and can’t do with my body.”

If were possible to time travel, I wonder what this woman would say if a pro-abortionist travelled back in time and convinced her mother to have an abortion while she was pregnant with this future woman?


19 posted on 01/20/2008 1:26:07 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (Change.....that's what we will have left in our pockets if a Democrat gets elected president!)
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To: wagglebee

Now if someone could incorporate a tiny chip that imitates the sound of a 12-week fetus’ heart beat, the sensitivities of the complainers would REALLY be freaked out. A video of a 12-week ultrasound should be part of every high school sex-ed curriculum. I bet it is not included at all.


20 posted on 01/20/2008 1:26:39 PM PST by maica (Romney '08)
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To: wagglebee
Hey. We get them in cakes at this time of year.

Enjoy the King Cake.

21 posted on 01/20/2008 1:26:53 PM PST by chemicalman (Thompson/Hunter '08)
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To: wagglebee
Mystical Listrom said "It's my right to choose to do what I want with my body. I shouldn't have people telling me what I can and can't do with my body," Listrom said.

Hey Mystical, what say you about seatbelt laws, helmet laws, drug consumption laws, etc. etc. etc.??? How about vaccinations requirements? All having to do directly or indirectly with your precious body, and you have nothing to say. Why is that?

22 posted on 01/20/2008 1:28:00 PM PST by Lizavetta ( Politicians: When they're speaking, they're lying - when they're not speaking, they're stealing.)
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To: wagglebee

What they ought to do is send a 20 week old fetus in little assemble-it yourself pieces.


23 posted on 01/20/2008 1:29:48 PM PST by Post Toasties (It's not a smear if it's true.)
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To: Lizavetta

So she’s advocating for those who disagree to lose thier First Amendment rights? Notice that what she is complaining about is not actually a violation of her rights, but that someone sent a message to het.


24 posted on 01/20/2008 1:31:19 PM PST by Teacher317 (Eta kuram na smekh)
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To: socialismisinsidious
I don't understand why they're so upset.


It's just a lump of plastic.


25 posted on 01/20/2008 1:35:52 PM PST by kenth
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To: wagglebee
A lot of people on FR were down on those shows that feature real preserved human bodies. But having attended one I thought that one of the most thought-provoking parts of the show, in a room by itself, was a series of real preserved human fetuses. Even as a relatively educated person I had not been aware how perfectly formed a 12 week-old fetus really is.

I think that seeing this might have a much more profound effect on most people than receiving a plastic fetus in the mail.

26 posted on 01/20/2008 1:39:34 PM PST by wideminded
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To: wagglebee
A lot of people on FR were down on those shows that feature real preserved human bodies. But having attended one I thought that one of the most thought-provoking parts of the show, in a room by itself, was a series of real preserved human fetuses. Even as a relatively educated person I had not been aware how perfectly formed a 12 week-old fetus really is.

I think that seeing this might have a much more profound effect on most people than receiving a plastic fetus in the mail.

27 posted on 01/20/2008 1:39:35 PM PST by wideminded
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To: EarthBound

You dont have a right to not be offended-PING.


28 posted on 01/20/2008 1:40:43 PM PST by MacDorcha (Do you feel that you can place full trust in your obsevations of the physical world?)
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To: wagglebee

Well, at least we know there are two completely brain dead women in Racine.


29 posted on 01/20/2008 1:42:40 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Fred, fry Huck and McCain like a squirrel in a popcorn popper!)
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To: wagglebee

30 posted on 01/20/2008 1:42:47 PM PST by jdm (A Hunter Thompson ticket would be suicide.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Ping


31 posted on 01/20/2008 1:43:45 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: john drake
"If they had sent a letter explaining why they think abortion should not be allowed, I wouldn't have a problem with that. It was the plastic fetus that bothered me," Pollock said.

Because it reminded me too much of the real thing, she thought...
32 posted on 01/20/2008 1:43:46 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth ('Yellow is mellow, but brown goes down.' -- The Clinton campaign slogan for 2008)
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To: ari-freedom
I’m sorry but this is not how you win hearts and minds.

Do you really think these two whiners would have become pro-lifers if some other method was used?

33 posted on 01/20/2008 1:43:52 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Fred, fry Huck and McCain like a squirrel in a popcorn popper!)
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To: wagglebee
"It's my right to choose to do what I want with my body. I shouldn't have people telling me what I can and can't do with my body" showing me the consequences."
34 posted on 01/20/2008 1:45:53 PM PST by scott7278 ("Before I give you the benefit of my reply, I would like to know what we are talking about.")
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To: Mr. Silverback

they would at least have a chance to be reached in the future. Shock methods close minds for a long time.

“Postal officials said it doesn’t fit their standards of obscene or lewd, but they said people can fill out a form that would prevent them from getting mail from Wisconsin Right to Life in the future.”


35 posted on 01/20/2008 1:47:35 PM PST by ari-freedom (We have to seriously consider our options.)
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To: wagglebee

44,000 and only two complained? Seems like a statiscially unoffensive means of education to me.


36 posted on 01/20/2008 1:51:09 PM PST by MacDorcha (Do you feel that you can place full trust in your obsevations of the physical world?)
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To: ari-freedom

I have a hard time seeing this as a “shock method.” Showing photographs of aborted babies is a shock method, and I have extremely mixed feelings about those who use them as pro-life propaganda. But these are no more offensive than those little pins with baby feet on them.

Methinks Mystical doth protest too much.


37 posted on 01/20/2008 1:53:35 PM PST by RosieCotton (A place for everything and everything in its place - 2008 Resolution #1)
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To: john drake
I wondered about that. Today, at Sunday School, I was given a baby bottle to fill with change. It’ for a pro-life center. One of the things they do, besides abortion prevention, is to also offer post abortion counseling. While I have no problem with the plastic babies, I hope there is also information for help for a woman who sees it and thinks “what have I done?”
38 posted on 01/20/2008 1:58:22 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: wagglebee

I heard this on the radio the other morning and at first I thought they had mailed actual fetuses...and was greatly relieved to hear that that wasn’t true, LOL!

The publicity is good for the cause, but I don’t think mailing these things to people that don’t care/deny/refuse to accept that abortion kills a baby, will sway them anyway.

I’ve asked this before and I’ll ask this again; Why don’t the anti-abortion crowd approach this problem from the angle of pushing ADOPTION, versus stopping abortion? Until we get Roe v. Wade reversed (which I really think could happen with some decent LEADERSHIP in Congress) I’ve always thought that THAT is where the “changing hearts and minds” part could be MUCH more effective.

Convince young women that, yep, you made a HUGE mistake by getting pregnant out of wedlock, but Sweetie! It can be fixed. It’s not the end of your world if you have this child, give it to parents that WANT it and will give it a good life...and then you can go back to college, or high school, or your career, etc. CONVINCE them that ADOPTION Is the noble thing to do. It’s the RIGHT thing to do. It’s the ONLY thing to do!

We also need to involve teen fathers because the hole is going to be in THEIR heart forever and ever Amen, too. And don’t forget the Grandparents. Man, Alive! If I had done this to my parents, they would’ve been CRUSHED to know that I had killed their Grandchild!

I don’t WANT to see even one child killed...but in reality, that horse is so far out of the barn by now that it’s in the next county!

Sad, but true. I think the whole focus of the “campaign” so to speak, needs an excellent Marketing and PR plan. It needs a total re-vamp. It’s too emotional an issue to get anyone to listen to you until we can crack that veneer of the lies that the Left has fed us (and the young women of today) for all of these decades.

Abortion on demand? Oh, that’s in the Constitution! BS, it is!

Let’s get bizzy! :)


39 posted on 01/20/2008 2:01:17 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: ari-freedom
Well if someone is truly about "choice" then they would be open to the truth....you know empower woman about all the "options", all the information. Heck they should have these in abortion clinics, along with sonograms, so everyone can see that a 12 week fetus is no big deal, really nothing to see here.

They won't do that, of course, b/c of what a 12 week "fetus" really is; a baby.

Ask yourself why these woman would be so bothered by a plastic replica of a "blob of tissue"?

The plastic fetus isn't offensive to them; facing the truth that a 12 week fetus is a baby is offensive to them.
40 posted on 01/20/2008 2:01:38 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Hey, Mr. Silverback! Read my post #39 and tell me what you think.

I think it’s time for a different approach to this Societal Suicide.


41 posted on 01/20/2008 2:03:02 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: ari-freedom
Showing someone what a 12 week old fetus looks like is no more a shock tactic than telling someone they are about to abort something that has a heartbeat and fingernails.

If this is a shock tactic, one wonders what you could ever say or show that wouldn't be a shock tactic. No sale.

42 posted on 01/20/2008 2:06:43 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Fred, fry Huck and McCain like a squirrel in a popcorn popper!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I like the way you think, but promoting adoptions is part of what Crisis Pregnancy centers do. We’re already on it in a big way.


43 posted on 01/20/2008 2:08:55 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Fred, fry Huck and McCain like a squirrel in a popcorn popper!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

BTW, I’m honored you asked for my opinion.


44 posted on 01/20/2008 2:09:31 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Fred, fry Huck and McCain like a squirrel in a popcorn popper!)
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To: All

Just a comment,
but how do you think this would effect women who’ve had miscarriages? Especially those who just had one?

Or someone who never could have children and always grieved inside?

Or how about someone who had an abortion and is on the edge-— or is getting therapy, ‘repenting’ but still mentally fragile?

I can see any of the above crying their eyes out and hating the people who sent it out plus throwing out anything else they got from them in the trash.

Just a thought.


45 posted on 01/20/2008 2:10:13 PM PST by najida (I am so grateful that stupid isn't contagious.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

through unsolicited mail?


46 posted on 01/20/2008 2:15:53 PM PST by ari-freedom (We have to seriously consider our options.)
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To: CindyDawg

Excellent point. Many pro-life organizations have referral services for women who are affected by post-abortion stress problems. It’s an important step towards healing the wound and getting them on to the right path. They’ve been lied to for so long by the media, by the feminists, by men who use them, etc. that it can be an incredibly heavy burden to bear. They need to be counseled while seeking understanding of their error and finding forgiveness, recieve it and to spread the truth about abortion, one person at a time. I don’t see how else we will eventually win this war that has taken over 50 million American lives since 1973. An incredible tragedy that cries to heaven. God hear us and help us in our struggle to do what is right for the innocent children, and their ignorant and selfish parents, both MEN and women.


47 posted on 01/20/2008 2:17:08 PM PST by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: socialismisinsidious

they would be open to truth from a friend that cares about them. not by getting a surprise ‘gift’ from some total stranger.


48 posted on 01/20/2008 2:18:24 PM PST by ari-freedom (We have to seriously consider our options.)
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To: wagglebee
"...It was the plastic fetus that bothered me,"

The dead real ones, in the vacuum tank, or in the stainless steel bowl with the scissors, those are fine.

49 posted on 01/20/2008 2:20:09 PM PST by polymuser (Don't vote for Kennedy Wing of the GOP)
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To: john drake

I agree. I don’t believe they necessarily DID anything though, but they probably have some wrong THINKING that gnaws at them, especially after seeing the plastic model.

They give girls the squishy breasts to learn how to check for lumps in their breast, so why is a plastic fetus such a terrible thing?


50 posted on 01/20/2008 2:21:38 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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