Posted on 01/20/2008 10:57:57 PM PST by americanophile
Let's debunk the biggest myths of the anti-immigration movement that has swept this country and may still have an impact on the 2008 presidential race: that it is not anti-Hispanic, that it doesn't oppose legal immigration and that it's against only "illegal" immigration. Most U.S. Republican presidential hopefuls -- with the exception of Sen. John McCain -- and cable television anti-immigration crusaders on CNN and Fox News are deceiving the public with their claim that they are only against "illegal" immigration.
Myth No. 1: "We are only against illegal immigration. Undocumented immigrants should get in line for visas." That's deceptive because you can't demand that people get into line when, for the most part, there is no line to get into.
While the U.S. labor market is demanding 1.5 million mostly low-skilled immigrants a year -- and will demand many more in coming years, as the U.S. population becomes increasingly educated -- the current immigration system allows into the U.S. an average of 1 million legal immigrants a year and most of them are already here.
(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...
“The rest is, for the most part, populist demagoguery.”
Wow, this article is a prime example of demagaguery. Amazing.
And, by the way, nearly half of all undocumented immigrants enter the country legally, and overstay their visas
Hey, Oppenheimer. If they entered the country legally THEN THEY ARE DOCUMENTED!!!!!!!!!!!!
So don't call visa overstays "undocumented immigrants" THEY TRULY ARE ILLEGAL ALIENS!!
Personally, I’d like to know where all those illegal Canadians are.
And what is this author’s SOLUTION? NONE.
answer to myth # 1: Yes, there is a LINE to line up to, Andres. All they have to do is fill in the application. I find it absurd that they WONT line up, are not aware there is a line, and find it idiotic that just because they jumped over the border...they ASSUME there is no line.
answer to myth # 2:>>>”Anti-immigration advocates are not anti-Hispanic.” Maybe many aren’t but when was the last time you heard anti-immigration Republican hopefuls or cable television talk show hosts lashing out against illegal immigrants from Canada?<<<
That’s because a VAST majority of those perps are of Hispanic descent? PLUS every right wing radio show IF you ever listened to one, advocates throwing out EVERY ILLEGAL, regardless of country. Obviously, Radio Amerika and NPR are the only stations this lefty ever listens to.
answer to myth 3:>>>Myth No. 3: “We are a nation of laws, and the law says you have to enter the country legally.” Yes, but we are also a nation of immigrants. And, by the way, nearly half of all undocumented immigrants enter the country legally, and overstay their visas.<<<
Nice switch of logic: the question was about the laws of the the land...then SWITCHES the subject to a nation of immigrants. I wont even waste my time with # 3.
answer to myth 4: >>>Myth No. 4: “Building a border fence will solve the problem.” Wrong.<<<
Correct. It wont solve the problem. It will remedy and BAND AID the problem, but aside from a fence...MORE AGGRESIVE MEASURES such as electrical wire, explosives and hungry dogs at the border fence come to mind, including state by state anti illegal laws would do the trick. Of course, Im not PC.
answer to myth 5:>>>Myth No. 5: Those of us who criticize anti-immigration groups are “amnesty” and “open borders” supporters. Baloney. Many support both border protection and an earned path to legalization for millions of undocumented workers who pay taxes and are willing to learn English.<<<
Baloney back to you. You claim you are for “border protection”: when the first 4 myths CONTRADICT the concept of securing the borders. Gimme a break and finish the Kool Aid.
If they overstay their visa ...they broke the LAW...
Thats the bottom line.
One place they are not is marching in the streets demanding everythind under the sun.
Well, that’s one place I won’t have to look. Thanks. lol
If there's one thing I hate, it's accordions and tubas. Both together at the same time is unbearable.
The author also needs to point out the Canadian version of the violent street gang 'Mara Salvatrucha 13' for me to make their case.
Myth one: no line? Tell that to my European friends that are waiting visas.
Myth two: but when was the last time you heard anti-immigration Republican hopefuls or cable television talk show hosts lashing out against illegal immigrants from Canada?
Well heres the rub on that...they do not require me to press one for english...If the Hispanics were not demanding that US Citizens learn Spanish and put Spanish everywhere my guess is they wouldnt be targeted. Also I do not see Canadians , Italians, Irish, Germans etc, protesting in our streets for rights they dont have.
Myth 3: Myth No. 3: We are a nation of laws, and the law says you have to enter the country legally. Yes, but we are also a nation of immigrants. And, by the way, nearly half of all undocumented immigrants enter the country legally, and overstay their visas.
What does that mean? That because they are here the law should not be enforced? If they overstay their visas....get a clue...they are breaking the LAW.
Myth No. 4: Building a border fence will solve the problem.
Show me where it wont. In the parts of the country where the fence is build, illegal activity was reduced. Build the fence and if that doesnt stop them...Put armed guards.
Myth No. 5: Those of us who criticize anti-immigration groups are amnesty and open borders supporters.
A rose by any other name....
and your baloney addition is just that baloney.
One more thing...if you are so pro-immigration for ANYONE and not just Hispanics, why then was this your conclusion?...
to increase economic integration with Mexico and the rest of Latin America in order to reduce poverty and emigration pressures south of the border. The rest is, for the most part, populist demagoguery.
Who is the racist bigot now?
1,266,264 immigrants were granted legal residence in 2006.
I can’t publicly protest in Mexico even if I legally enter the country. My country would not stand up for my “inalienable right” of protest. I would be expected to respect the laws of that nation.
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“Myth No. 4: Building a border fence will solve the problem. Show me where it wont. In the parts of the country where the fence is build, illegal activity was reduced. Build the fence and if that doesnt stop them...Put armed guards.”
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Put armed guards — exactly what I was thinking when that poor Border Agent was purposefully run over a day or so ago. In Iraq our guys will blast anyone who tries to run a checkpoint.
How come it isn’t happening on our border?
Why to our guys have to die?
Are the lives of foreign nationals better that ours?
We should have troops on the border. Period.
Exactly...
I would like to see Mr.Oppenheimer go to Mexico and demand the same rights in the same way illegals are doing here.
Wonder if he would get to come back?
Notice that you don’t see the libs up in arms about the lives lost among the border guards...in that war on the border.
Myth #6
The author has one-half ounce of credibility.
Andres is an unbiased, Latin America correspondent for the rag particularly known for its accuracy, The Miami Herald.
Then again, there is a minority which gives all anti-illegal-alien people a bad name. You might consider those who would readily accept the entire Polish population coming over to the United States but who balk at the idea of the roughly 10 million Mexicans already here as falling into this category. (to take something from another thread).
“The only way to solve the current immigration crisis will be to legalize undocumented workers who have paid their dues and to increase economic integration with Mexico and the rest of Latin America in order to reduce poverty and emigration pressures south of the border.
The rest is, for the most part, populist demagoguery.”
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Good luck selling that answer.
I think the name-calling, white guilt, brow-beating train already left the station.
It is called build the wall with the illegals you catch crossing the border. Once the wall is built send them home. To Mexico or whatever country they come from. Then they can go to our embassy and apply for a visa to work in our country. Pass a law that any employer that knowingly hires an illegal will be prosecuted and fined. Also any landlord that knowingly rents to an illegal will be fined and prosecuted. Tell all states that knowingly have an sanctuary city will loose federal monies. Thats will solve the illegal problem.
Also any landlord that knowingly rents to an illegal will be fined and prosecuted.
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What steams me are our government schools.
Parents must prove to the government school that they are residents but some idiot judge determined that government schools can not insist that the kid is a LEGAL resident. Is this nutty or what? !
In my state it costs more than $10,000 a year to educate a child in the government schools. ( Adding in teachers’ pensions and retirement health care)
“Are the lives of foreign nationals better that ours?”
I don’t know if their lives are better, but our leadership and our elites most certainly think the lives of foreign nationals are worth more than the lives of American citizens.
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If this is what our nation needs then allow 1.5 million to get in line and enter LEGALLY!
First, Oppenheimer is a pro-illegal anti-American bigot. Everything he writes is slanted for the illegal
FACT #1: People who support illegal alienism are the real bigots. Notice not a single illegal supporter doesnt mind that the sole reason they are here is because they can get paid less than an American. Change “illegal” to “black”....boy just imagine the outcry when it comes to using a special-interest group for cheap labor
FACT #2: A border fence will help greatly. Opponents of the border fence wont tell you how well it would work. That is the real reason why they are against it...it would keep illegals out
FACT #3: Mexico and much of Latin America is a third world porta-pottie tank compared to Canada. Canadians want open borders to do cheap shopping...not to shoplift. Some may deem this comment racist...but its the reality.
FACT #4: A sizeable racist element in the Hispanic community wants illegal alienism....groups like La Raza (THE RACE) link illegal alienism to their Aztlan and Reconquista agenda of overthrowing parts of the USA. However many Hispanic Americans are against illegal alienism
FACT #5: Those who enter the USA legally are not going to commit crimes and crap on this country. When you pay thousands of bucks and wait forever to enter the USA legally....you already have shown much respect for this country and its laws....something illegals are not going to do
Well, that came out of the north end of a southbound horse.
Our so-called elites don't care about this, because they think they are above being an American, they're global citizens. They believe the problems caused by illegal aliens are over-blown, will work themselves out, will be fixed by government agencies or if Americans were just more welcoming, they'd like us.
Our elites are among the dumbest elites in world history, right up there with the Russian aristocracy circa 1910 or the French in 1939. My fear in the GOP Presidential campaign, is that I see all of the top 4 behaving that, well, okay, I'll say what they want me to say, but once in office, I'll do the "right" thing on immigration.
I can only speak for myself, but I’d like to see it made easier to immigrate here legally than illegally. It was a big mistake to restrict legal immigration. We cannot tolerate illegal immigration because it undermines our rule of law, but I believe that we should welcome legal immigrants with open arms if, and only if, they want to come here and become Americans.
He could have written something like this in the article:
"Myth #8 - these two gentlemen are not crossing the US border illegally! They are only looking for a place to fill a water jug for their car's radiator."
. More detail here:
Amnesty and Continued Low Skill Immigration
The biggest myth of the immigration debate is the notion that the advocates of amnesty know what they’re talking about.
The amnesty campaign is an alliance of politicians who want Latino votes, and employers who want cheap labor. I’m not paying to subsidize people who came here illegally.
If McCain is the nominee, I’m voting third party. Because of the illegal immigration issue in particular.
Needs a Barf Alert.
There should have been a warning to wear hip boots before reading this thing. It got pretty deep in the doo-doo.
Those in their gated communities, ‘you know’ the fenced in crowed using slave labor, profiteering off humanity won’t stay safe once the rest of US have been over taken.
Those that are unable to play hockey or get jobs in a brewery are probably fishing or writing for Northeastern newspapers. ;) /joking
Vote Romney now and stop him.
my bad. searched but didn’t see it.
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