Skip to comments.Ask Yourself: What Your Kid's Future Is Going To Look Like In A Balkanized America.
Posted on 01/21/2008 4:22:50 AM PST by A Navy Vet
Does anyone still think that we the people have any real influence on the self-serving interests of our own Federal government? If you believe so, please don't bother to read further.
You need not be a political junkie to see that every time Congress is in session, it takes away more and more of your inherent rights with their socialist programs. I'm not going to preach to this choir, because I know the readers of this forum are probably THE most politically and socially astute persons on the Internet.
But I do have one question for you beyond the rhetoric that the candidates espouse:
What is their stand on "illegal immigration", and what is their stand on legal immigration?
Yes, I realize they are two separate issues but within the larger concept of the direction our Nation is taking, we must consider the numbers of legal immigrants allowed in. We can't be open to the entire world if we are to maintain our hard-earned standard of living.
Illegal immigrants have no standing; they should be deported if we had the resources. While most are good upstanding contributors, their culture also brings in to our homeland much murder, rape, theft, child abuse, drugs , gangwarfare, et al.
They flood our prisons; they flood our emergency rooms to the point of closing; they suck more of your tax dollars through "anchor babies" with food-stamps, welfare, and other social services. They depress property values; they build ghettoes. They build hate and distrust.
Here in the Los Angeles area of Southern Calif, "illegals" eat a huge part of the budget. Even the liberal Los Anglese Times has admitted the negative effect.
From what I read, it is happening more and more around Middle-America. We tried to warn you...but that's another story.
So what are we to to about the MASSIVE influx of foreign cultures that can't work along side our own and take your jobs at a slave rate makes you have to doubleup on work for your with family?
What are we to do about 25% of Hispanic prisoners in our jails? What are to do with the same Mexicans who every day kill our citizens on our highways and rape and murder our women and children? Don't believe me - got stats.
We may not be able to stop every drunken Mexican crashing into and killing an American family on the road, much like we can't stop every stupid US citizen, but at least that citizen had a right to be here in the first place. Like we need MORE criminals.
Here are my solutions:
Federal: The NAFTA agreement that is allowing Mexican truckers into our highways should be stopped, yesterday. Other so-called "free trade" agreements should be reviewed and amended to be "fair trade".
State: The Arizona Court of Appeals decision requiring employers to VERFIFY the legality of their workers is now the law of the land. I read every day that illegal Mexicans are moving out of Arizona and on to other states or even just going back to Mexico. You want solutions? Here it is. Since this decision was not overturned, it is having a huge decrease on the influx of illegal aliens into Arizona. We've all known...take the jobs away - they stay away.
Here's my suggestion: As we killed the McCain/Kennedy Shamensty Bill giving a pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens, we should now build a coalition to support any city, county, or state that wants to pass the same type of laws as Arizona. There is another state working towards similar employer penalties - Louisiana I believe. There are also a number of cities that have written into their laws that they would not be a "sactuary" city.
Hammer the employers who knowingly hire illegals and the demand will dry up. Oh no, we will be doomed because there won't be anyone to fill those low paying jobs. Bullshit. They were done before, they will be done again.
This movement is growing. If you care about the cohesiveness our our country, American jobs, American continuity, this type of local effort could be the answer. It's working in Arizona as I type this.
What say you?
The rule of law is about to be undone - let’s just have the war while we are young enough to fight it...
bump for later review and it would be good to source the following:
>Even the liberal Los Anglese Times has admitted the negative effect
What type of a country are we going to leave to our children and grandchildren? Decisions we make this year, more than any year in the past, will vibrate through generations to come.
Perhaps a fight won’t be necessary, but a split is definitely coming. There will be two Americas in the not too distant future, the south and mid-upper west and the northeast and coasts. The ideological divide is too wide to maintain and nothing any President can say will change what’s coming. The American identity is all but gone and the ideals that made us great in the past have been decimated. Pay very close attention to the 2nd Amendment battles coming as I believe that will be the trigger point.
If alive today, I wonder what President Davis would have to say about your article.
What seems to be overlooked constantly on this issue is the negative progression into our Society that is accomplished by the tolerance of the Illegal Society. They may take the lower paying jobs that most of our children start with, were they available and not occupied by Illegals, but they also progress into Industries important to the livelihoods of many a tradesman. They remain outside of, not inclusive within our Society. IOW they don’t assimilate, they take, and take. The monies they make are sent outside of our system, and means to avoid taxation by dealing within their non assimilated communities, thus off the radar so-to-speak is rampant. Thus we have this non participation in funding yet maximum participation in taking.
I have to get offline, so this was not edited...Sorry.
If there is trouble, let it be while I can do something about it, so that my son can live in peace.
The future is here already.
I rule of law will be replaced by imperio de la ley. The Dem and Repub leadership want the illegal invaders for different reasons: They do not want to oppose them fro political expediency, the dems want voters (who cares if it destroys the democrat party), the repubs want bodies paying for SS and Medicare.
Trust me, you won't be by yourself....
Oh, I know.
IMHO, this was predictable with the Income Tax. The final consequence of the tax is that 5% of the population pays 60% of the taxes. That 5% both own and run the government. Their choice for President is Hillary...she owns all their dirt.This, IMHO, was the ultimate reason for the Income Tax. We sold the country to them.
It’s not ours to leave to our children; it was removed from us in 1965. Our best gift to our children is a foriegn language and a passport.
Personally, I think we might be better off balkanized than socialist.
The South shall rise again.
Maybe even as far back as 1929 and the vaunted FDR. Before FDR, federal spending was 4% of GDP. Now, federal spending is 18% and will soon be in the 20’s. The nanny state is in full force and scaring the heck out of business.
My number one issue is immigration.Winning the war on terror is a mute point if we dont have a country.It is being sold out from the powers that be.
I think you’re right. That’s why the 2nd Amendment will be the flash point. Too many southern boys won’t give them up if the feds try to restrict them.
An interesting comment you make, define balkanized, please.
Illegals do the work that Americans refuse to do.
But which Americans?
Ask yourself that question every time you mow your own lawn, clean your own toilet and drive your own kids to school. It’s not that low and middle income Americans refuse to do low-wage jobs, it’s that the upper middle and high income Americans (can anyone say Chappaqua?) talk about social justice while still engaging businesses that hire illegals and individuals they know to be here illegally. I refuse to take lectures on racial harmony and social justice from liberal hypocrites who live in segregated communities, send their kids to segregated schools and outsource the rearing of their own children.
These nitwits are incapable of starting a lawnmower or driving a nail into a wall yet they presume to tell us how we should live our lives.
Does anyone want to ask Hillary why she lives in Chappaqua?
Is it because she wants to be nearer to the poor or because for decades it’s been known as the bedroom community of choice for every low-life, dirtbag lawyer in New York?
Until last year, I was an employer.
Somehow, I suspect that “hammering” employers who “knowingly” hire illegals will mean that those who don’t hire them “knowingly” will get hammered accidentally. It will also mean a lot more paperwork, time, expense, and vigilance on the part of law abiding employers.
If GOVERNMENT would do it job, then employer would not have to play UNPAID cop. Checking the identity of an employee should be no more complicated than a 2 minute phone call with an immediate response ( with a receipt from the government agency.)
I suggest the following:
1) Every traffic stop should include a check for immigration status. If that person is an illegal, they and their illegal family is deported within the week!
2) All hospitals accepting any government payments should check immigration status. Any illegals should be stabilized and deported as soon as their condition is not life threatening.
3) Government schools should report all children and families who do not have LEGAL residence.
4) All social services should check immigration status of all clients.
5) Any illegal should be finger printed and he and ALL of his family down to 3rd cousins should be forever forbidden from immigrating legally to this country.
6) Any illegal found voting should have a 30 year prison sentence. (Yes, corrupting our voting process IS that serious!)
Do this and the government should not have to “hammer” employers.
This is what Websters says:
to divide (a country, territory, etc.) into small, quarrelsome, ineffectual states.
Illegals do the work that millions of aborted Americans
refuse to cannot do.
Does anyone else wonder if the ‘solution’ that Congress wants to illegal immigrants is a NATIONAL ID card - for everyone????
You wrote: “My number one issue is immigration.Winning the war on terror is a mute point if we dont have a country.It is being sold out from the powers that be.”
This is an excellent point.
We could survive and recover from an outside attack.
We could survive and recover from a recession or depression.
But if we lose our national identity, we lose everything.
We must weigh this carefully as we decide who to vote for in the coming elections.
It's simple: they're taking jobs from Americans because they work for 40 percent to 60 percent less.
When I was in college and working summer construction in the 70's, the hourly rate for unskilled laborers was $6 to $8. Using any conventional inflation measure (e.g., CPI, Average Wage Rate), today's rate would be $24 to $28 per hour.
Anecdotally, illegals are making $12 to $15 per hour today for uskilled labor, which obviously is 40 to 60 percent less than the rate paid to the largely American labor force of the late 70's.
.....yes, I agree the country will fracture in the future....I expect this could also be proceeded by Bosnian type wars of secession/partition.... if I were betting on it; Latinos will the Southwest; thanks to waves of illegals....blacks will get the South; thanks to their high birth rate....the Northeast will be inter racial....the Midwest and upper midwest will be Anglo-European Judeo-Christian; and will represent the values of the old America...
See:Thomas Chittum’s “Civil War Two”....the most important book I’ve seen on this subject....you’ll probably have to buy it or borrow a copy....it’s way too truthful for the leftists who control our public libraries.
The rule of law has been undone. It was undone during the Clinton regime when the Clintons were allowed to violate any law thy so chose without being called, to account. The ones responsible for enforceing the laws gave many excuses to cover for them such as, She gave factually untrue testimony” in an official preceeding. If I had did that it would have beeb perjury. Another one was offered by the great Republican, Orrin Hatch, “We can’t indict a sitting First Lady.”
Make no mistake, the law[s] will till be enforced and enforced vigorusly on peope such as myself and probably you along with their political enemies.
But the elites a/k/a Democrats and their enablers are immune.
Another thread for those replying here:
Titled, England, an Epitaph. FR poster Travis McGee makes a comment about Enoch Powell that caused me to look at a very interesting Wikipedia article on Powell.
The nanny state is in full force and scaring the heck out of business.
Last week on FR, there were articles describing the closing of many retail stores in America. Some named I couldn’t believe were shutting the doors.
Our congress critters are taxing many business’s to their demise!!
Beg to differ, but it's simple economics.
Use any one of the many inflation calculators out there on the Internet, and compare unskilled and semi-skilled pay from the 60's and 70's to that of today.
You'll quickly see that illegals are working for 40 to 60 percent less than the American work force of the 60's and 70's.
It's simple business math: employers are hiring from the cheapest labor pool (illegal peasant laborers), and Americans have no interest in competing for peasant wages.
If unskilled and semi-skilled labor rates tracked with the CPI for the last 30 years (as do other salaries), wages would be in the $25/hour range and Americans WOULD compete for those jobs.
(There's a whole argument to be made about natural barriers to entry, the protection of wage rates, and the purpose of unions in skilled and semi-skilled labor markets).
I moved my family from SoCal to north Florida, because I don’t want to be in Aztlan when TSHTF.
I disagree, The elite are Not immune. When it comes lock and load time, My goal is to go after the “elite” political types FIRST. What do they care if we battle it out amongst ourselves! If I have to take my merry band of pirates, steal a boat and search every Caribbean Island and exclusive resort spot on planet earth, That’s what I’ll be doing! The planet will be too small a hiding place.
I myself have wondered about that and I think that may be the solution they are going to pursue; the obvious avenue is the standardized drivers license, chipped and with verifiable biometrics.
Ha, ha, we’re there! Just ask the folks in NOLA after Katrina.
Yes. Absolutely true. My point is that the ultimate employers of illegals are those liberal snotbags who lecture us. One of my neighbors is a “Landscape Architect”. The workers show up every morning, pile into the trucks and head for the high-tone communities here on Long Island. The same high-tone communities that consistently vote Democrat.
If these same liberals were willing to pay a living wage to those who clean their toilets and mow their lawns there would be no question about who is willing to do the work.
BTW: The same “Landscape Architect” that hires the illegals also keeps all of her equipment on her residential property in violation of local zoning regulations.
Those private islands with megayacht (nothing under 100’) marinas and private jet runways are guarded by private security companies like Blackwater, with the latest gear such as FLIR surveillance etc. Make sure you pack a lunch.
Plus, if anything nasty threatened one private island, they would merely fly the coop to another of their dozen ranches, mansions etc around the world.
You might have a point there.
I read a fascinating article a couple of weeks ago in which it was pointed out that several small cities in the Southwest ended up eliminating their red-light cameras after they had so much trouble tracking down violators. Something like 40% of the violators were driving vehicles whose license plates could not be traced, which made the whole red-light camera program a losing proposition.
Massive illegal immigration and an enormous trade deficit are the natural result of what happens when you have an entire nation in which every person is delusional enough to believe that he/she can be on the right side of any bell curve (no matter what that bell curve measures -- i.e., income, education level, standard of living, etc.). By definition, 50% of the population will be "below average" by any measure . . . so it is only natural that over time we must fill in the left side of those bell curves with peasant laborers -- either here (Mexican immigrants) or overseas (Chinese slave labor).
As you know the argument (and it comes from conservative business folks as well), is that "I can't find Americans to work at the prevailing wage".
We have to be somewhat sympathetic to the small business person making that claim because it's true. The non-enforcement of immigraton and labor laws has provided a vast pool of illegal peasant labor willing to work for substandard ages, and that's where the small business must compete when bidding jobs. But it's not their "fault", they didn't cause the disruption in the labor market. The huge business associations (American Meat Institute, Council of Chain Restaurants, etc) and their lackeys on Capitol Hill and in the White House have encouraged and cultivated the problem.
Frankly I can't blame the small business person. They are competing against this huge pool pool of illegal peasant labor and would become uncompetitive if they paid proper wages to American workers (and followed the law).
Seriously, the only way to end the problem is to eliminate the pool of illegal peasant labor from the American workforce.
More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says
When you start digging into the numbers the only ones that can be sourced with the feds are the number of American murdered in 2005: 16692
I have seen federal numbers for illegals held in jail ranging from 19.3% to 27% of the federal prison population.
Here's a sampling of USA cities wanted for murder. What you'll see is that in big USA cities like LA or NYC most of the murderers are Hispanic. Unknown are the % of illegals. In smaller cities the FBI will post the nationalities of the murderers. About 25% of the most wanted are illegals wanted for murder. This number agrees with the percentage of illegals incarcerated in federal prisons. +-25%
Pictures of top 10 most wanted in LA. Up until recent stories about crime in LA posted by the LA Times--the pictures included the nationality of the murderers. They were all foreign nationals and mostly Mexican.
Wanted for Murder in New York City.
Chicago wanted for Murder
Philadelphia wanted for murder
San Francisco wanted for Murder
New Orleans wanted for Murder
Pictures of suspects wanted for murder in Washington DC
FBI USA 10 most wanted. (two of 10 are Mexican nationals)
There are currently no exact numbers on the number of Americans killed by illegals. Part of the reason is that the government deliberately obscures the number. I talked on the phone with the head of statistics for the US Bureau of Prisons. He said his office wasn't allowed to publish the number of illegal alien murderers. Rather they were forced to put legal and non legal residents in the same category. I talked to ICE. They put out detailed numbers on illegal child molestors. However, they put out nothing on illegal murderers.
Part of the reason for the silence on the matter is that there is evidence to suggest that most Americans being killed by illegals are black--as is the suggestion in this LA Times Article. Also this article from the LA Times.
To look at other USA cities go here http://stlouis.fbi.gov/ and replace stlouis with the city you want.
All that said the true number of criminal aliens is far higher than is revealed by criminal aliens in prisons. Most are simply waived through the courts.DHS Secretary Chertoff, has been quoted as warning that two million people in this country illegally have committed serious crimes. See also here and here
Thanks, haven’t quite figure out posting links yet! :)
Diplomacy is failing with the political left (DNC hacks, etc.), soon it will be time to fight...
Sorry, I don’t buy it. I’ve been following the Primaries very closely, and the candidates from both Major Parties assure us that they really do represent We The People.
I think that is the direction in which we are headed. I believe there were a lot of freepers who were opposed to that.
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