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America for Sale, and OPEC is buying
Set America Free ^ | January 20, 2008

Posted on 01/21/2008 6:31:01 AM PST by ddtorquee

Petrodollar rich foreign governments buy their way into US board rooms - click the link to watch the video


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: energy; environmentalism; foreignmoney; ganggreen; immoral; oil; opec; uae
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1 posted on 01/21/2008 6:31:03 AM PST by ddtorquee
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To: ddtorquee

I suspect China is buying a lot more than OPEC. Not doubting you, just stating an opinion.


2 posted on 01/21/2008 6:35:28 AM PST by cripplecreek (Duncan Hunter, Conservative excellence in action.)
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To: ddtorquee

Interesting topic. Thanks for posting.


3 posted on 01/21/2008 6:36:10 AM PST by PGalt
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To: cripplecreek

I recall in the 80’s/90’s it was the Japanese.


4 posted on 01/21/2008 6:40:59 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: theDentist

The Japanese weren’t making money off of us and selling weapons to our enemies.


5 posted on 01/21/2008 6:42:22 AM PST by cripplecreek (Duncan Hunter, Conservative excellence in action.)
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To: cripplecreek

Perhaps not directly....


6 posted on 01/21/2008 6:43:25 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: ddtorquee

Didn’t the Japanese get sucked into one of these “Buy High then have to Sell Low” deals a decade or two ago?


7 posted on 01/21/2008 6:46:03 AM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: cripplecreek

Have you seen the movie “No Country for Old Men?”

It’s a story of how “innocent” greed results in the death of others.....and other things. The old adage that the capitalist would sell the rope to their own hangman is logical. If we sell the rope, we have to take great measures to ensure that rope is never used.


8 posted on 01/21/2008 6:46:51 AM PST by Loud Mime (It is easier to wash dirt off your hands than blood = Gladiator)
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To: ddtorquee

Ahhhh... Belly Girl.
Whatever happened to Protest Warriors?


9 posted on 01/21/2008 6:48:37 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: ddtorquee; cripplecreek; PGalt; theDentist; Don Corleone; Loud Mime

http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=4634.0.101.0


10 posted on 01/21/2008 6:59:01 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Loud Mime

Capitalism needs to be tempered with morality. Without it, we start looking at dead soldiers and victims of illegal immigrant crimes as little more than collateral damage.

Drug runners can be seen as pure capitalists without morality. Anything that gets in the way of them making a buck, dies.

Capitalism is what made this country great but when morality is removed it always results in collapse.


11 posted on 01/21/2008 7:00:36 AM PST by cripplecreek (Duncan Hunter, Conservative excellence in action.)
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To: ddtorquee

oh god, here we go again.....first the japanese were coming....then the germans were coming....then the chinese were coming....now the arabs are coming.....who’s next?


12 posted on 01/21/2008 7:01:28 AM PST by joe fonebone (When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout)
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To: Don Corleone

Right. The Mitsubishi Estate Company of Japan paid something like $2 billion for Rockefeller Center in New York City back in the 1980s, then ended up walking away from it when the partnership it had formed to own the buildings turned over the entire asset to a company that held a $1.3 billion mortgage on it.


13 posted on 01/21/2008 7:03:30 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: theDentist
Yes... and we bought America back for pennies on the dollar! FR seems to have it’s share of doomers.

LLS

14 posted on 01/21/2008 7:10:47 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote Fred!)
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To: joe fonebone

Figure it out for yourself. Here is our debt.

MAJOR FOREIGN HOLDERS OF TREASURY SECURITIES
(in billions of dollars)
HOLDINGS 1/ AT END OF PERIOD

http://www.treas.gov/tic/mfh.txt


15 posted on 01/21/2008 7:13:44 AM PST by texastoo ((((((USA)))))((((((, USA))))))((((((. USA))))))))
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To: texastoo

Great information there. It’s interesting that holdings of U.S. treasury securities by Japan and China have declined in the last 12 months, while U.K. holdings have grown more than 400%.


16 posted on 01/21/2008 7:28:39 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: ddtorquee
Exactly, the subtle way to take over America is via the boardroom and the mortgage business.

All this, compliments of the capitalism without morality or borders crowd, where nothing that matters (matters): a _huge_ trade deficit (transfer of wealth), moving most production overseas to your future enemies (national or religious) countries (transfer of wealth), uncontrolled migrations between countries. nation states.

Welcome, to a great country/civilization gone wild...

17 posted on 01/21/2008 9:01:02 AM PST by veracious
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To: Don Corleone
"no one should be under any illusions that Abu Dhabi's investment is a normal commercial transaction. It comes from a sovereign wealth fund controlled by a foreign government, which has political as much as business interests; from an Arab government that has a troubling history with American banking laws; and it offers a Middle Eastern entree into the U.S. financial system that since 9/11 plays a pivotal role in the war on terror. "
Wall Street Journal
http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/?id=110010920
18 posted on 01/21/2008 9:21:27 AM PST by ddtorquee
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To: ddtorquee

We brought this on ourselves. We learned absolutely nothing from the 1970s and permitted radical environmentalists to castrate our energy potential.


19 posted on 01/21/2008 9:22:49 AM PST by montag813
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To: veracious
"Sovereign wealth funds from the Persian Gulf are changing the face of global finance in ways that unnerve many Westerners. In recent months Gulf funds have bought large chunks of Citigroup (C), the private equity giant Carlyle Group, semiconductor heavyweight Advanced Micro Devices (AMD), planemaker European Aeronautic Defense & Space (EADS), and many other big companies. Gulf funds are also getting into leveraged buyouts, sometimes alongside private equity firms and sometimes by themselves—despite having little experience operating companies. "Large sovereign wealth funds have become major players in private equity, not only as investors but also as competitors," says David Rubenstein, a founder of Carlyle, which sold a 7.5% stake to an Abu Dhabi fund in September. Soon, says Gregory A. White, managing director at Thomas H. Lee Partners, "they will be the industry. We will be working for them." "
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_03/b4067042272294.htm?campaign_id=rss_eu
20 posted on 01/21/2008 9:43:20 AM PST by ddtorquee
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To: Red Badger

Good article. Provides greater context to the post starting this thread. Thanks for the ping/link.


21 posted on 01/21/2008 9:48:18 AM PST by PGalt
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To: ddtorquee

Great excerpt....

sorry, not clicking the source.


22 posted on 01/21/2008 9:48:31 AM PST by subterfuge (1st choice: Hunter------2nd choice: Thompson-----3rd choice: there is no 3rd choice!)
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To: cripplecreek

You are correct! if you look at it on the extreme meter, we are leaning heavily toward collapse. This anything goes society, Im a victim too, if he can do it so can I attitude has brought us to this point. Its going to be a battle to try and get us back to center.


23 posted on 01/21/2008 9:56:52 AM PST by ronnie raygun (Id rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: cripplecreek
"Six Gulf states—Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia—account for nearly half of the world's sovereign wealth fund assets. They control some $1.7 trillion, as much as all of the hedge funds in the world and more than the $1 trillion private equity industry—and Morgan Stanley predicts the total will grow by about $400 billion annually over the next several years. There's even talk that Saudi Arabia may soon unleash a new $500 billion-plus fund. Bankers estimate that Gulf funds earned about $180 billion from their sovereign wealth fund investments in 2007—more than half of the $315 billion they collected in oil and gas revenues." http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_03/b4067042272294.htm
24 posted on 01/21/2008 10:59:11 AM PST by ddtorquee
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To: 2banana; beefree; garyhope; vietvet67; madison10; trumandogz

Video in the link about how Arab oil money is buying into US board rooms is worth watching.


25 posted on 01/21/2008 11:29:41 AM PST by ddtorquee
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To: ddtorquee; hedgetrimmer; nicmarlo; Czar; calcowgirl

If you don’t mind, I’ll just take your word for it. I know it is happening and it is just sickening. I’m close to an ulcer.


26 posted on 01/21/2008 1:40:48 PM PST by texastoo ((((((USA)))))((((((, USA))))))((((((. USA))))))))
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To: texastoo; ddtorquee; hedgetrimmer; Czar; calcowgirl

I actually just read an article about this....yesterday or the other day. I also believe one of the articles I read about this was from Schlafly. And I’ve read more things...but, you’re already getting an ulcer...if I posted what I’ve been reading....you’d need more than meds for “just” an ulcer problem.


27 posted on 01/21/2008 1:44:32 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

I wish I knew what to make of the dropping of the world markets and everything in the US for sale. This is a historical day for the world markets especially with the US on holiday.

We have plenty of oil in Texas. The govt. enviromentalists have screwed us. The oil crisis is due to interdependency except OPEC is not playing fair. Who would have thunk it. LOL!

I could go on and on but won’t as it will do no good. Our grandchildren will never know American, the land of the free.


28 posted on 01/21/2008 2:49:23 PM PST by texastoo ((((((USA)))))((((((, USA))))))((((((. USA))))))))
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To: texastoo
Our grandchildren will never know America, the land of the free.

And our own children will only have very short memories of it...I fear the worst is about to hit...in short order.

29 posted on 01/21/2008 2:53:52 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: cripplecreek

Actually free enterprise made the country great. Capitalism wasn’t even a common word until William Makepeace Thackeray used it in one of his novels in the late 1800s.

The most vociferous defenders of capitalism on this forum also support the global socialist system called “free trade”, and in that context capitalism is just a tool to promote communism. The proof is all the communist dictators who are now among the richest men on earth, due to “free trade”.

Thesis, antithesis, synthesis.


30 posted on 01/21/2008 6:10:42 PM PST by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: nicmarlo; ddtorquee; Czar; calcowgirl; SierraWasp; Carry_Okie

Thanks for the ping.

The irony of all this investment in infrastructure and financial sector business is that our Constitution limits what our federal and state governments can own, but “free trade” allows foreign governments to own what ours can’t.


31 posted on 01/21/2008 6:14:12 PM PST by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer

It’s more than ironic. It’s MUCH more than “just” ironic.


32 posted on 01/21/2008 7:12:06 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

So why can’t we stop the federal government from giving foreign governments unconstitutional access to our domestic economy?


33 posted on 01/21/2008 7:22:15 PM PST by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Because..........others have an unConstitutional agenda, and it’s been put into place by......others.


34 posted on 01/21/2008 7:25:08 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: hedgetrimmer

FM


35 posted on 01/21/2008 7:28:56 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: texastoo; hedgetrimmer; nicmarlo; calcowgirl; SierraWasp; ElkGroveDan

Lets see now, we really can’t assess this properly until we have an input from the FR freetraitors contingent. We need them to point out how beneficial this all is because, well, it’s the market in action, and we should welcome it.

Yeah...


36 posted on 01/22/2008 4:28:49 PM PST by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: ddtorquee

go east, young man, and hitch your wagon to an Arabian star


37 posted on 01/22/2008 4:30:19 PM PST by Brian S. Fitzgerald ("We're going to drag that ship over the mountain.")
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To: Czar; texastoo; hedgetrimmer; jedward; calcowgirl; SierraWasp; ElkGroveDan; ...
we really can’t assess this properly until we have an input from the FR freetraitors contingent.

So, you have noticed that the FREETRAITORS are noticeably absent from these threads.....

38 posted on 01/22/2008 4:31:50 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: hedgetrimmer; nicmarlo; calcowgirl; SierraWasp; Carry_Okie
"...but “free trade” allows foreign governments to own what ours can’t."

What passes for our federal government can block anything like this that it wants to block on grounds of national security -- if they can possibly remember what that phrase means...

39 posted on 01/22/2008 4:32:39 PM PST by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Czar; texastoo; hedgetrimmer; jedward; calcowgirl; SierraWasp; ElkGroveDan; Halgr
What passes for our federal government can block anything like this that it wants to block on grounds of national security -- if they can possibly remember what that phrase means...

It's unlikely that this government understands what AMERICA's national security means....check that...it is highly likely that they DO understand what America's national security means......so.....why are they doing whatever they can to undermine it???

In other news.................

NEWS IN AGRICULTURE Fertilizer shortage a risk to our national security?
January 20, 2007 ] Dean Stites | The Morning Sun

Ask any farmer what the current first and foremost problem in crop production today is and the answer will be the cost and supply of fertilizer. The reason for this is that fertilizer prices have reached unprecedented highs in the last two years. In addition to the high cost, the supply of various fertilizers has become very limited as well. So limited, in fact, that there is some question whether farmers will be able to acquire all the fertilizer they are going to need this year.

To put the problem into perspective, it is important to realize that fertilizer is a critical component of crop production. This is especially true of nitrogen since it must be applied every year and most crops will not produce without it.

The fertilizer shortage may not be a temporary thing....

American producers are no longer able to manufacture fertilizer at a competitive price so many plants have shutdown and are no longer manufacturing fertilizer and others are likely to stop production, so this manufacturing deficit is only going to get worse.

As it stands now, more than half of the nitrogen fertilizer used by American farmers comes from places like Saudi Arabia, South America and Russia where natural gas is cheaper....once again we find ourselves importing a very critical resource from countries that may at some future date, decide, for political reasons or other, to stop the supply of nitrogen fertilizers coming into this country.

At some point, all of this could lead to food shortages in this country as production cycles down dramatically due to fertilizer shortages. If we have inadequate food supplies, we have a bunch of hungry people or we start importing more food due to the shortfall in production. So, maybe this really is a threat to our national security.....


40 posted on 01/22/2008 4:46:37 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

I’m too irrirated to even post :)


41 posted on 01/22/2008 5:14:09 PM PST by jedward
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To: jedward

Ain’t “FREETRAITORING” sweet?


42 posted on 01/22/2008 5:15:42 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: ddtorquee
1. "Its WRONG that we're sending those A-Rabs and Chinamen all our money, as it goes out of our country and into their pockets!"

2. "Its WRONG for the A-rabs and Chinamen to REINVEST those SAME dollars back in the U-S-of-A!" They're tay-kin over our country!"

(Puts head in sand).

43 posted on 01/22/2008 5:15:53 PM PST by Clemenza (Ronald Reagan was a "Free Traitor", Like Me ;-))
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To: nicmarlo
all of this could lead to food shortages in this country as production cycles down dramatically due to fertilizer shortages.

Why do all the politicians scream about energy independence (while touting huge investments in alternative fuel and green energy)
and not mention anything about food independence?

44 posted on 01/22/2008 5:20:12 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: nicmarlo

It’s seriously like watching your country die, year by year. And the leftovers from the (R) side at this point won’t be doing anything any different. Sad really. I’m in need of a morale boost, but I think many people are finally seeing that the effects of liberalism and socialist practices in america have put us on a course that we likely will not recover from. You know I look LONG term, so there’s not much anyone could throw my way that would give me hope, though I wish to hell there was.


45 posted on 01/22/2008 5:20:40 PM PST by jedward
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To: calcowgirl

Because that might wake up the sheeple to the man behind the curtain........


46 posted on 01/22/2008 5:25:53 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: calcowgirl

“Why do all the politicians”

Because they are politicians :)


47 posted on 01/22/2008 5:26:26 PM PST by jedward
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To: jedward
the effects of liberalism and socialist practices in america have put us on a course that we likely will not recover from.

Unfortunately, I believe you are correct.

48 posted on 01/22/2008 5:26:44 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

Anything effective is against the law, so yes... we’re sort of screwed.


49 posted on 01/22/2008 5:30:45 PM PST by jedward
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To: jedward

totally


50 posted on 01/22/2008 5:35:02 PM PST by nicmarlo
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