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U.S. intel alerted to threat of 'Forest Fire Jihad'
World Tribune ^ | January 15, 2008 | Staff

Posted on 01/21/2008 10:07:51 AM PST by forkinsocket

U.S. officials monitoring terrorist web sites have discovered a call for using forest fires as weapons against “crusader” nations, in what may explain some recent wildfires in places like southern California and Greece.

A terrorist website was discovered recently that carried a posting that called for “Forest Jihad.” The posting was listed on the Internet on Nov. 26 and reported in U.S. intelligence channels last week. The statement, in Arabic, said that “summer has begun so do not forget the Forest Jihad.”

The writer called on all Muslims in the United States, Europe, Russia and Australia to “start forest fires.”

The posting quoted imprisoned Al Qaida terrorist Abu Musab Al-Suri, as saying “Jihad is an art just like poetry, music, and the fine arts. There are people that draw and there are others that are jihadists. They both act upon inspiration.” Al-Suri is a senior Al Qaida leader captured in Pakistan in 2005 who is believed to be in U.S. custody.

“The idea of forest fires is attributed to him, may God set him free, as is in this short clip,” the writer stated.

The posting said that setting forest fires were legal under extremist Islamic law as part of a “eye for an eye” and that can produce “amazing results.”

Wildfires in California burned more than 500,000 acres beginning in October and authorities said arson was to blame for some of the fires. In August, wildfires broke out in Greece that authorities say were deliberately set.

The writer stated that it was permissible to burn trees in carrying out jihad.

“Scholars have justified chopping down and burning the infidels' forests when they do the same to our lands,” the writer said.

The writer stated that “targeted forests” are in the nations that “are at war with Muslims,” including the United States, Europe, Russia, and Australia.

Other nations, including Brazil are “off limits” because Brazil has not joined the “armies of the crusade.”

On damage caused by wildfires, the report said that the fires typically take months to put out which means that “this terror will haunt them for an extended period of time.”

The fires also will cause economic damage because it will limit exports of timber used to make furniture and also will cause losses to pharmaceutical companies that use trees for ingredients for drugs, the posting said.

Smoke caused by the fires will create pollution and military forces could be tied up fighting fires. The report noted that U.S. military forces in Iraq or Afghanistan “could even be recalled” as occurred following hurricane Katrina, which did not occur.

“Imagine if, after all the losses caused by such an event, a jihadist organization were to claim responsibility for (starting) the forest fires,” the writer said. “You can hardly begin to imagine the level of the fear that would take hold of people in the United States, in Europe, in Russia, and in Australia.”

The report said that Abu Musab Al-Suri, urges terrorists to use sulphuric acid to start a forest fire, as well as gasoline.

The article was signed by Abu Thar Al-Kuwaiti, on behalf of a group called the Al-Ikhlas Islamic Network.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arson; california; californiafires; fire; forest; jeffheadcalledit; jihad; jihadinamerica; terrorism; wildfires; wot
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1 posted on 01/21/2008 10:07:53 AM PST by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket

The japs had the same idea in WWII


2 posted on 01/21/2008 10:14:02 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: forkinsocket

I wonder how much Willy Pete and napalm it would take to turn that black box into cinders.....


3 posted on 01/21/2008 10:14:28 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: forkinsocket
“Imagine if, after all the losses caused by such an event, a jihadist organization were to claim responsibility for (starting) the forest fires,” the writer said. “You can hardly begin to imagine the level of the fear that would take hold of people in the United States, in Europe, in Russia, and in Australia.”

More importantly - which side would the wacko environmentalists take?

4 posted on 01/21/2008 10:16:03 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: forkinsocket

Ok.... who gave the Muzzies fire?


5 posted on 01/21/2008 10:16:14 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: forkinsocket

Easy to pull off here. Real easy, and would quickly overwhelm our capacity to contain and extinguish them..


6 posted on 01/21/2008 10:19:47 AM PST by TADSLOS (Border Security is a foundation stone of National Security)
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To: forkinsocket

Southern California would be especially vulnerable to such a threat during the Santa Ana wind season in the fall.

In 1978, an arsonist using a home-made firebomb consisting of a Dixie cup, a cigarette, and a book of matches ignited a fire in the bushes behind a shopping mall in Agoura, a town west of Los Angeles. The fire burned all the way to the Pacific Ocean, more than 10 miles away, and consumed dozens of structures. If weather conditions are right, just a handful of arsonists could cause catastrophic devastation.


7 posted on 01/21/2008 10:20:29 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I bet it was the Diaz Brothers.


8 posted on 01/21/2008 10:21:53 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: forkinsocket

Well that’s it.If we can’t tell the good Muslims from the bad ones,then they ALL have to go.


9 posted on 01/21/2008 10:22:01 AM PST by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: forkinsocket

Big forest fires in Greece last year, still no word what did that.


10 posted on 01/21/2008 10:23:22 AM PST by RightWhale ("... which is not a linnnit' 'I'ht first published svstenn of predicate logic was devised 1»' the ()
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To: forkinsocket
Abu Musab Al-Suri, Abu Thar Al-Kuwaiti

This is a little off topic, but it seems like these bozos have a formula for their Jihadi name. Like the porn name formula.

11 posted on 01/21/2008 10:27:39 AM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Checkmate Cruiser")
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To: RightWhale

There have been a LOT of fires in the past couple of years, Colorado, California, New Mexico etc. When we wondered about, and warned that it wouldn’t be difficult for terrorists to use forest fires, certain people on this site and several other sites called us “Alarmists”. Now, those people are just Dumbasses.


12 posted on 01/21/2008 10:29:46 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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To: Rick.Donaldson

Aesthetics aside, the forest fire danger was mentioned right after WTC911, but next to nothing preemptive has been done such as cutting fire break roads every mile.


13 posted on 01/21/2008 10:32:25 AM PST by RightWhale ("... which is not a linnnit' 'I'ht first published svstenn of predicate logic was devised 1»' the ()
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To: forkinsocket
After all the publicizing of the forest fires in USA last year it was a given the Jihadists would want to give it a shot.
14 posted on 01/21/2008 10:33:51 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: forkinsocket
...as occurred following hurricane Katrina, which did not occur.

???

15 posted on 01/21/2008 10:37:11 AM PST by TChris ("if somebody agrees with me 70% of the time, rather than 100%, that doesn’t make him my enemy." -RR)
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To: neodad
Abu Musab Al-Suri, Abu Thar Al-Kuwaiti

If you're curious, the names mean "father of Musab the Syrian" & "father of Thar the Kuwaiti". Thar means revenge.

16 posted on 01/21/2008 10:38:41 AM PST by forkinsocket
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To: Bitsy

Each state should have 10 to 20 C-130 made for fighting fires.

They could all work together when needed.

The fed could have some loaners for any state that need them.

Old 747 would be cool to watch drop water too.


17 posted on 01/21/2008 10:39:39 AM PST by Goldwater and Gingrich
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To: forkinsocket
You can hardly begin to imagine the level of the fear that would take hold of people in the United States, in Europe, in Russia, and in Australia.” We have to make these people clearly understand that it won't be fear that will take hold. It will be rage, and they will be the target. Our error is that we have not already made that clear.
18 posted on 01/21/2008 10:39:41 AM PST by ArmyTeach ("We have given you a Republic, if you can keep it")
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To: forkinsocket
Interesting, I have a comment and a question.

Usually, when I go out in the woods, I either carry a 357 Magnum or a snub nose 44 Remington Magnum revolver. I hope that the jihadist understand that starting a forest fire in most places is a felony and in many places one is allowed to use deadly force to stop a felony. As always it is important that one understand the firearms laws of where one takes a firearm.

Now for the question mixed in with a comment. I has been a long time since I last read my insurance policy, but I think (hopefully someone can explain otherwise) that a forest fire started by enemy combatants (i.e. terrorists) might nullify any fire insurance claim someone had. If that is the case, I sincerely hope that any jihadist is just called an arsonist by Homeland Security and the local authorities.

I think that the fires in Greece last year might have been what really got terrorists attention.

19 posted on 01/21/2008 10:43:55 AM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: ArmyTeach

The reason it hasn’t been made “clear” is because we are too nicey, nicey. The American people have to get pissed. When that happens all the muslims will leave.....one way or another.


20 posted on 01/21/2008 10:45:07 AM PST by RC2
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To: forkinsocket
'Forest Fire Jihad' is a crime against 'Global Warming Jihad'!
21 posted on 01/21/2008 10:47:45 AM PST by ricks_place
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To: forkinsocket

Massive forest/brush fires, particularly in places like California where considerable property destruction and even loss of life could occur, would make plausible terrorist weapons. However, attacks against our electric and communications infrastructure might be more effective at crippling the US economy. Consider the effects of of coordinated attacks on major portions of the US electric grid or against microwave towers. Massive east coast blackouts have happened in the past caused by just a single equipment failure triggering a cascade of overloads and shutdowns.


22 posted on 01/21/2008 10:50:16 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: 2banana
"The japs had the same idea in WWII"

I think one of their incindery devices did kill some members of a family out on a picnic.

23 posted on 01/21/2008 10:52:01 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

There is no terrorist threat - John Kerry
War on Terror is a bumper sticker slogan - John Ewards
..willing suspension of disbelief - Hillary Clinton
Voted against all Iraq measures - Obama Hussein Barack


24 posted on 01/21/2008 10:54:07 AM PST by Blue Turtle
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To: Goldwater and Gingrich
Each state should have 10 to 20 C-130 made for fighting fires

Each state should have 10 to 20 C-130 gunships for fighting terrorism. They could work together when needed.

25 posted on 01/21/2008 10:54:21 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Goldwater and Gingrich
You mean like this ....


26 posted on 01/21/2008 10:58:29 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: forkinsocket

Here’s hoping for a wet year.

I wonder if this has already happened...


27 posted on 01/21/2008 10:58:40 AM PST by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: forkinsocket
Isn’t the forecast for lots of rain this year with the La Nina cycle?
28 posted on 01/21/2008 11:04:34 AM PST by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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To: forkinsocket

islamist=orcs


29 posted on 01/21/2008 11:22:25 AM PST by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: forkinsocket
We have enough knuckleheads with matches starting enough forest fires, so they needn’t bother.
30 posted on 01/21/2008 11:23:53 AM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: forkinsocket

Duh. Gee, whouda thunk that so many people could be affected by a match and a little wind. What if it happened SoCal? Seems to happen every year about the same time. Hmmm?


31 posted on 01/21/2008 11:54:00 AM PST by wizr ("Right now, Hope Rides Alone." Sgt. E Jeffer - Remember those that fight and die for FREEDOM.)
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To: Robert357

“I think that the fires in Greece last year might have been what really got terrorists attention.”

I saw the effects last August in central and southern Italy also. The locals said the fires were started by “anarchists.”


32 posted on 01/21/2008 12:05:58 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (I don't care about who you won't vote for, and nobody cares if you don't vote.)
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To: forkinsocket

OK, naming your son “Son of Musab the Syrian” would make sense. But why would a father name his newborn child “Father of Musab the Syrian”? As an infant, you obviously aren’t a father. How would grandpa know his grandson will be named Musab? And exactly how does he know he will be Syrian?

This is really confusing. Please enlighten me.


33 posted on 01/21/2008 12:08:17 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: TADSLOS
Easy to pull off here. Real easy, and would quickly overwhelm our capacity to contain and extinguish them..

We need a firm policy that for every square kilometer of our forest they burn, we grab one square kilometer of their oilfields.

34 posted on 01/21/2008 12:55:48 PM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: forkinsocket
“Scholars have justified chopping down and burning the infidels' forests when they do the same to our lands,” the writer said.

So that's why there are no trees in Saudi Arabia. I'd always wondered.

35 posted on 01/21/2008 12:58:53 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Rick.Donaldson



36 posted on 01/21/2008 1:13:38 PM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: forkinsocket; All
After 9-11, I sat and thought of all the different ways a terrorist could act. I won’t elaborate but....

“There must be 50 ways to be a Jihadist”

(perhaps some poetic and musically talented FReepers can expound a song)

37 posted on 01/21/2008 1:22:26 PM PST by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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To: forkinsocket

Took ‘em long enough to figure that one out.


38 posted on 01/21/2008 1:30:26 PM PST by ctdonath2 (GWB wept for those who suffer. HRC wept for herself.)
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To: wolfcreek

“Loose lips sink ships.”


39 posted on 01/21/2008 1:30:48 PM PST by ctdonath2 (GWB wept for those who suffer. HRC wept for herself.)
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To: forkinsocket

How about we expel all who belong to that cult of death?


40 posted on 01/21/2008 1:33:47 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (out with them!)
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To: ctdonath2

AMEN!


41 posted on 01/21/2008 1:40:46 PM PST by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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So...is deadly force authorized if you’re witnessing this type of terrorism ? Or any type ?


42 posted on 01/21/2008 1:41:20 PM PST by svanni
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To: RightWhale
but next to nothing preemptive has been done such as cutting fire break roads every mile.

. . .Right. OR: closing the border.
43 posted on 01/21/2008 1:48:09 PM PST by Vinomori
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To: The Great RJ
However, attacks against our electric and communications infrastructure might be more effective at crippling the US economy.

Forest fires are an attack on our electric grid. High voltage transmission lines often run through forests.

44 posted on 01/21/2008 2:19:39 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: forkinsocket
“Scholars have justified chopping down and burning the infidels' forests when they do the same to our lands,” the writer said.

Ah yes, the forests of Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and Iraq. I remember them well before Bush the lumberjack came along.

45 posted on 01/21/2008 2:23:32 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: Robert357
sincerely hope that any jihadist is just called an arsonist by Homeland Security and the local authorities.

I think that's the reason all these home grown jihadi's are not called terrorists by the authorities

46 posted on 01/21/2008 3:00:43 PM PST by fso301
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To: Diogenesis
traitor kennedy
47 posted on 01/21/2008 3:26:25 PM PST by -=SoylentSquirrel=-
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To: svanni
So...is deadly force authorized if you’re witnessing this type of terrorism ? Or any type ?

Probably depends upon the laws where it takes place.

In Washington State RCW9A 16.050 Homicide states
By person - When justifiable. Homicide is also justifiable when committed either:
(1) in the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or
(2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his presence or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he is.

Not giving legal advice, but it appears that the "plane language" of the statute says that if Arson is a felony, then in Washington State on would be justified in killing a jihadist, especially if you felt that your life might be in danger from the fire (s)he was attempting to start or you tried to stop the jihadist and you required deadly force to stop them from starting the fire. (This assumes that law enforcement would view starting a forest fire as Arson in the first or second degree or at the very least reckless burning in the first degree, which are all felonies)

Washington state even has a felony sabotage statue against damage to lumber interests and property. Just make sure that you tag what you shoot and report it to the appropriate authorities (/sarcasm)

48 posted on 01/21/2008 4:02:24 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: forkinsocket

IF this stuff keeps up we’ll have to teach them how to set sand on fire and turn it into green glass.


49 posted on 01/21/2008 4:09:55 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: Fiji Hill
This is BS. Forest fires/brush fires are common in S. Cal and the entire southwest in the late summer. No one is terrorised by these fires. It's as common as the Santa Ana Winds in October. It goes with the territory here. No one is surprised by them. Most are caused by blow down power lines, trees blown down on power lines by winds, etc.

If the terrorist are looking for some sensational, spectacular terrorist act, met to terrorize...Brush fires will be a big let down for them.

50 posted on 01/21/2008 4:20:25 PM PST by dragnet2
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