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Signs in Kenya That Killings Were Planned
NY Times ^ | January 21, 2008 | JEFFREY GETTLEMAN

Posted on 01/21/2008 9:26:11 PM PST by neverdem

KERINGET, Kenya — At first the violence seemed as spontaneous as it was shocking, with machete-wielding mobs hacking people to death and burning women and children alive in a country that was celebrated as one of Africa’s most stable.

But a closer look at what has unfolded in the past three weeks, since a deeply flawed election plunged Kenya into chaos, shows that some of the bloodletting that has left more than 650 people dead may have been premeditated and organized.

Leaflets calling for ethnic killings mysteriously appeared before the voting. Politicians with both the government and opposition parties gave speeches that stoked long-standing hatred among ethnic groups. And local tribal chiefs held meetings to plot attacks on rivals, according to some of them and their followers.

As soon as the election results were announced, handing a suspiciously thin margin of victory to Kenya’s president, Mwai Kibaki — whose policies of favoring his own ethnic group have marginalized about half the country — all the elements lined up for the violence to explode.

Thousands of young men swept the countryside, burning homes and attacking members of rival ethnic groups. The killings go on. On Friday, six bodies arrived at a morgue in the town of Narok, northwest of Nairobi, some with deep spear wounds. On a strip of white medical tape affixed to the victims’ foreheads was written their names, dates of death and the cause: “Post-elections violence.”

“It wasn’t like people just woke up and started fighting each other,” said Dan..

--snip--

A few villages away and a couple of hours later, Kikuyu farmers scanned the hilltops with a pair of old field glasses that never seemed quite in focus. They carried homemade guns built of wood, water pipes and umbrella springs, highly illegal but highly necessary, they said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: africa; banglist; ethniccleansing; islamisasislamdoes; kalenjin; kenya; obama
Religion doesn't seem to be part of the problem in this part of Kenya.

Muslims are relatively few in number among the Kalenjin.


The New York Times

Christophe Calais for The New York Times
Mud-smeared Kalenjin men, one with a cellphone tucked in his belt, wielding clubs, knives and other weapons near the small town of Keringet in the Rift Valley.

1 posted on 01/21/2008 9:26:12 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I’m sorry but wasn’t Obama fixing this in his spare time? I’m just going to go back to ignoring this until the Magic Negro announces that he has brought peace to his distant homeland.


2 posted on 01/21/2008 9:29:15 PM PST by bpjam (I'll crawl over broken glass to vote against McCain (or the Huck))
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To: bpjam
Your post is despicable.

I have relatives that are missionaries in Kenya. They have told us that more people have been killed than what has been reported.

3 posted on 01/21/2008 9:46:14 PM PST by Witter
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To: bpjam
Yes. raila odinga is supposedly his cousin and obama campaigned for him while in kenya. odinga had supposedly, secretly, promised muslims that he would institute sharia law if elected.

Of course obama, being born a muslim and raised as one for a time, shouldn't give us any cause for concern.

4 posted on 01/21/2008 9:53:55 PM PST by Eagles6
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To: neverdem; bpjam; Witter

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/01/barack-obama-backs-taliban-supporter-in.html


5 posted on 01/21/2008 10:07:59 PM PST by Eagles6
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To: Eagles6; Fred Nerks; Candor7; forkinsocket; Beckwith

Raila Odinga, the Kenyan opposition leader, believes he is a cousin of Barack Obama....

He said Mr. Obama had taken time out from campaigning for the New Hampshire primary to call him...

twice...


6 posted on 01/21/2008 10:42:59 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Witter

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1949514/replies?c=15

http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm


7 posted on 01/21/2008 11:20:22 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: george76; Candor7; Beckwith; USF; jan in Colorado; forkinsocket
...So, when a man like Raila Odinga is linked with Abdulkader al Bakri, you are not making a minor connection, but one directly into al Qaeda. Such are the vagaries of making political bedfellows in other Nations.

link.

8 posted on 01/21/2008 11:29:39 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: neverdem; All

Interesting. Thanks to all posters linkers/researchers/factfinders.


9 posted on 01/22/2008 1:31:06 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Witter

I have a relative who trained for a long while to be a missionary in the Philipines.

Soon after he arrived a friendly villager warned him that the islamic terrorists would take his head if he stayed one more day.

I do not know if Obama is guilty, but he has been reported to support the real bad guys over there. If the races were reversed Obama would be crucified in the liberal media.

The Christians in Kenya should be heavily trained and armed so they can defend themselves.


10 posted on 01/22/2008 3:07:52 AM PST by 2ndClassCitizen
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To: 2ndClassCitizen
EVERYONE The Christians in Kenya should be heavily trained and armed so they can defend themselves.
11 posted on 01/22/2008 4:02:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: neverdem

More than 15 years ago I visited Mombassa Kenya on liberty. It was a nice place for a couple of days. There were no problems or warnings out of the ordinary about violence or anything then. My how things seem to have changed there...

Seems like the only stable country in the eastern part of Africa anymore is Ethiopia...


12 posted on 01/22/2008 4:42:37 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Witter

Welcome to Africa. I will guarantee you that it is FAR, FAR worse than anything reported in the media. And far more gruesome. Before the Islamists started slaughtering people in (pick one: Kenya, Sudan, etc,), it was tribal aggression swinging the machetes.

You might want to direct your outrage at US politicians who glibly negotiate ‘peace’ in places where genocide is seen as an effective means of creating converts to Islam. You want a real villian? Go to the UN building and listen for the diploweenie who yells loudest when the US recommends sending in peacekeeping troops to fight the machete wielding gangs. I’ll bet your loudest yeller will have a French or a Chinese accent.

As for bonafides, my own mother has done missionairy work in Kenya. And Tanzania. And Benin. I’ve worked with Christians who were in Kenya full-time and I can give you some great tips on how to hide your valuables in the care packages you send there to avoid having the customs agents steal them before they get to the aid workers. This isn’t new territory for me.

Apparently it is new territory for Obama and he is working for ‘peace’ through a guy who is on the side of the machete wielders. Obama ought to talk to the christian churches in Midland, TX who have been trying for the last 7 years to put pressure on the UN and the Sudanese government to stop backing the muslim gangs who have been killing hundreds of thousands of christians. All of their work and good intentions are wasted because the French are on the UN Security Council and won’t allow anything forceful to be done.

Not exactly something you can solve in your spare time while you are running for President. Not that it is unusual for liberals to believe that all of the worlds problems could be solved if only a liberal was in the White House so that all the other countries in the UN and all these murderous dictators and thugocracies would sense our compassion or good intentions and simply capitulate to our demands. John Kerry believed that the French would back us in Iraq if HE was in the WH. Hillary thinks that OPEC will cut oil prices if SHE asks them. Carter though the USSR would stop building weapons if HE asked them to. And Obama apparently believes that muslim fanatics will stop killing christians if HE asks them.

You might want to advise your family that regardless of how much the non-muslims in Kenya need help from well intentioned Christians, they might want to seriously considering getting the hell out of that country before they are in mortal threat themselves. We’ve had at least two wars started in the last century over American christian missionairies who were killed or held hostage in places which were a lot like Kenya. Missionairies never take geopolitics into account when they choose places to go and they rarely heed the State Department warnings to their own detriment.


13 posted on 01/22/2008 8:03:04 AM PST by bpjam (I'll crawl over broken glass to vote against McCain (or the Huck))
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To: Witter

Is it the messenger, or the message, that is despicable? Once again, those who claim the mantle of “caring” for such peoples’ plight are nowhere to be seen when aid is most dearly needed. Yes, his post is tasteless ... but only because it reflects a reality far worse.


14 posted on 01/22/2008 8:06:14 AM PST by ctdonath2 (GWB wept for those who suffer. HRC wept for herself.)
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To: Witter; bpjam
...and what's the latest news item on Kenya? Kenya is joining China's war against plastic bags.
15 posted on 01/22/2008 8:12:17 AM PST by ctdonath2 (GWB wept for those who suffer. HRC wept for herself.)
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To: neverdem
Wesley Ngetich, Marathon winner and success story in US Marathons killed by an arrow to the chest and he was trying to get out of Kenya to run in Marathons in the US but could not get a plane out. This is very tragic.

Kenyans have told me before that often the problems there are due to tribal violence and disagreements and this appears to be the case here. Such stories indicate it must be pretty bad over there presently.

Rest in Peace Wesley Ngetich.

Some marathons started separating financial awards between international runners and American runners. This is fair but now we also see the kind of world these others come from as well.

16 posted on 01/22/2008 8:16:26 AM PST by RGPII
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To: RGPII

“the problems there are due to tribal violence” .......... as is the case for much of the undeveloped world.


17 posted on 01/22/2008 8:38:22 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft
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To: ctdonath2

I think it’s tasteless to call anyone a “Magic Negro”. But maybe I’m just sensitive about stuff like that.

I’m not sure how bad it has to get before our family members have to leave. I do know that a lot of corruption is taking place and has always. Missionaries have a different mind set than the average person. They will come back when they feel like they should or the church headquarters says they should.


18 posted on 01/22/2008 8:52:29 AM PST by Witter
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To: Witter

Your relatives are to be admired and you are correct in your post. I’ll pray for everyone in this situation.

http://www.nationmedia.com/dailynation/nmgindex.asp

This is one website I check ever so often for news; though the BBC probably has better news coverage.

I keep tabs on what is happening because I have known a few of the runners and others. Kenya is a rather important country in the Horn of Africa.


19 posted on 01/22/2008 8:57:38 AM PST by RGPII
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To: beer
"Kenya? Knarly dude! I'm on it."

20 posted on 01/22/2008 9:02:05 AM PST by evets (beer)
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To: RGPII

Thanks!


21 posted on 01/22/2008 9:25:19 AM PST by Witter
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To: Witter

The sensitivity is warranted - but that does not diminish the message.

Unfortunately, when things get “bad enough” it’s usually too late. People are remarkably good at creating normalicy out of any situation, toughing things out instead of getting out. I have missionary friends in Darfur; that he risked his own neck serving there when single was fine, but taking subsequent wife & kids there seems ill-advised ... yet the fact that they’re still breathing indicates how a way will be found even in the harshest conditions.

We do see things there thru the microscope of news: mundane existence may be the norm, but it’s the few freak events that dominate our perception thereof.


22 posted on 01/22/2008 10:12:04 AM PST by ctdonath2 (GWB wept for those who suffer. HRC wept for herself.)
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To: neverdem

Interesting that wherever in the world you find war, killing and cruelty there you find Islam.


23 posted on 01/22/2008 10:15:51 AM PST by joebuck
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To: neverdem

A interesting article about “The Kenyan Jihad”.

And plenty of “to the contrary” comments posted below at that site.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/433766/the-kenyan-jihad.thtml


24 posted on 01/22/2008 10:52:05 AM PST by VOA
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To: joebuck

You can’t blame it all on Islam. Africa is a violent place. Anywhere you find tribal social structures, you find violence.


25 posted on 01/22/2008 11:02:37 AM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: Pining_4_TX

And talk of Uganda troops in Kenya: it’s a loaded situation...and that Idi Amin fellow was Moslem.

African problems can clearly be tribal, poverty-crime and of course, religious as Nigeria has had plenty of.

Curious trials in Liberia right now, with that oddly named individual.


26 posted on 01/22/2008 12:02:27 PM PST by RGPII
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To: ctdonath2

Sensitivity is warranted but perhaps Obama himself bills himself in certain ways, I don’t know. But if he is taking sides back there, it was good we found out after all. Tonight at home, I will have to go through all of the Kenya threads for the past 2 months.


27 posted on 01/22/2008 12:04:16 PM PST by RGPII
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To: RGPII

Google “obama kenya”. A whole lot becomes very clear very quickly:
- His father is Kenyan.
- He recently made a 4-country trip in Africa, with Kenya the centerpiece.
- Other actions show he intended Kenya a key rhetorical point in his campaign.
As one wag put it: “Obama can’t vote ‘present’ on Kenya.”
Sounds like Rwanda redux is starting there. If he wants to be leader of the free world, now’s the time to show it.


28 posted on 01/22/2008 12:17:44 PM PST by ctdonath2 (GWB wept for those who suffer. HRC wept for herself.)
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To: bpjam

If he can ‘end climate change’ he can fix Kenya too.


29 posted on 01/22/2008 2:58:17 PM PST by rfp1234 (Phodopus campbelli: household ruler since July 2007.)
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To: Witter
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story?coll=la-opinion-center

It's the libs who came up with the term.

30 posted on 01/22/2008 4:50:00 PM PST by Eagles6
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To: Eagles6
Your right Eagles6.

My husband and I have been googling the Internet almost everyday for news of Kenya. The articles on this thread have been very interesting.

In our correspondance with our relatives, we have not heard one word about Obama from them. Instead we just have heard about the bloodshed and the displaced peoples (refugees). They’re work is in Nairobi and the area of the Kibera slums. I don’t think Obama has a big influence there. Instead they talk to us about their thankfulness of the international bodies that are exerting pressure on the Kenya goverment to resolve the conflicts. Hopefully, things will be resolved. It just amazes me how this conflict has not been reported on like it should be!

31 posted on 01/22/2008 10:12:46 PM PST by Witter
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To: evets
You might like this book that has come out, this Swiss woman married a tribesman from the bush in Kenya and got married to him and lived out there with him.

It's been made into a movie.


32 posted on 01/24/2008 9:56:57 PM PST by RGPII
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To: neverdem; bpjam; Witter; Eagles6; Fred Nerks; Candor7; forkinsocket; Beckwith; 2ndClassCitizen

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7206995.stm

The two opposition leaders met: things already happened at a boiling point but some places take a lot of that kind of trouble.


33 posted on 01/24/2008 10:04:12 PM PST by RGPII
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To: neverdem
It is marxism among thugs representing one tribe, upset that they lost their bid to take power. If they can't have the government they will wreck the country. That is all.

Flawed or not, nobody deserves this, and we should be supporting the government against these goons. All out.

34 posted on 01/24/2008 10:07:35 PM PST by JasonC
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To: RGPII

Can you imagine the spectacle of an American president being intimately involved with a mess like this?


35 posted on 01/25/2008 3:19:23 AM PST by forkinsocket
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To: Pining_4_TX; Fred Nerks; Beckwith; george76; forkinsocket
Anywhere you find tribal social structures, you find violence.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Scotland?

Alba Go Bragh!!!!!

LOL.

Seriously though, Obama is partly to blame for fanning the flames of tribal violence. He went into a tribal tinder box, and tried out his Western , Huey Newton black nationalist neocolonial schtick on the Kenyan "savages" and surprise , surprise, look what happened.

What kind of president WOULD Obama make?

I 'd say he'd have us in wars on 3 fronts by his third year.

And none of them righteous.

36 posted on 01/25/2008 3:36:48 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing.)
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To: RGPII; Candor7; george76; forkinsocket
Kenya’s feuding leaders meet.LINK.

Western Kenya continues to be hit by sporadic violence and the government has accused the opposition of fomenting unrest. In a report on Thursday, Human Rights Watch said some attacks on members of the president’s Kikuyu ethnic group in Rift Valley province had been organised by opposition officials and local elders.

Odinga's intent is to undermine the government, and institute sharia law - and with Kofi Anan's help, the situation can only become more dire.

OBAMA-ODINGA-AL QAIDA

So, when a man like Raila Odinga is linked with Abdulkader al Bakri, you are not making a minor connection, but one directly into al Qaeda. Such are the vagaries of making political bedfellows in other Nations.

37 posted on 01/25/2008 4:10:21 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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