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In Matters Big and Small, Crossing Giuliani Had Price (Rudy Hits Low and Hard)
The New York Times ^ | January 22, 2008 | MICHAEL POWELL and RUSS BUETTNER

Posted on 01/22/2008 6:05:07 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o

Rudolph W. Giuliani likens himself to a boxer who never takes a punch without swinging back. As mayor, he made the vengeful roundhouse an instrument of government, clipping anyone who crossed him.

In August 1997, James Schillaci, a rough-hewn chauffeur from the Bronx, dialed Mayor Giuliani’s radio program on WABC-AM to complain about a red-light sting run by the police near the Bronx Zoo. ...That morning, police officers appeared on Mr. Schillaci’s doorstep. What are you going to do, Mr. Schillaci asked, arrest me? He was joking, but the officers were not.

They slapped on handcuffs and took him to court on a 13-year-old traffic warrant....A police spokeswoman later read Mr. Schillaci’s decades-old criminal rap sheet to a reporter for The Daily News, a move of questionable legality because the state restricts how such information is released. She said, falsely, that he had been convicted of sodomy.

Then Mr. Giuliani took up the cudgel.

“Mr. Schillaci was posing as an altruistic whistle-blower,” the mayor told reporters at the time. “Maybe he’s dishonest enough to lie about police officers.”

Mr. Schillaci suffered an emotional breakdown, was briefly hospitalized and later received a $290,000 legal settlement from the city. “It really damaged me,” said Mr. Schillaci, now 60, massaging his face with thick hands. “I thought I was doing something good for once, my civic duty and all. Then he steps on me.”

Mr. Giuliani was a pugilist in a city of political brawlers. But far more than his predecessors, historians and politicians say, his toughness edged toward ruthlessnessand became a defining aspect of his mayoralty. One result: New York City spent at least $7 million in settling civil rights lawsuits and paying retaliatory damages during the Giuliani years.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: autocrat; elections; giuliani; giulianitruthfile; mafia; revenge; rudyisamutt; whistleblowers
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Better we know now. This guy needs to be stopped.
1 posted on 01/22/2008 6:05:09 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Very Clintonian.


2 posted on 01/22/2008 6:07:05 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Gently alluding to the indisputably obvious is not gloating." ~Richard John Neuhaus)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

sorry = its the NYTimes and there would be much more to offer with a Billary expose


3 posted on 01/22/2008 6:12:25 AM PST by spanalot (*)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
After AIDS activists with Housing Works loudly challenged the mayor, city officials sabotaged the group’s application for a federal housing grant.

Good for Rudy!

4 posted on 01/22/2008 6:16:30 AM PST by what's up
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To: StatenIsland; Kuksool; TitansAFC; Liz; 2ndDivisionVet; GraniteStateConservative; dinoparty; TBBT; ..

If you think this is interesting, ping it around. If you want to refute it, refute away. But myself, I’m inclined to agree with Tax-chick: Rudy looks very Clintonian.


5 posted on 01/22/2008 6:18:40 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Sorry: Tag-line presently at the dry cleaners. Please find suitable bumper-sticker instead.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Better he should look “Clintonian” than look like another hick from the hills of Arkansas, or an insane old liberal from Arizona...


6 posted on 01/22/2008 6:21:05 AM PST by Redbob (WWJBD: "What would Jack Bauer do?")
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To: Mrs. Don-o; spanalot
it's the NYTimes,

I suppose it's theoretically possible that the entire piece is fiction. However, that's true of any journalism, and if we make that assumption on a regular basis, we might as well read nothing but the Latin classics and Jane Austen.

and there would be much more to offer with a Billary expose

Irrelevant.

7 posted on 01/22/2008 6:22:26 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Gently alluding to the indisputably obvious is not gloating." ~Richard John Neuhaus)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
What??? Benito Giuliani, aka Rudolph Mussolini, wasn't a warm and fuzzy mayor, I’m shocked!

And I thought he only seized property of INNOCENT people and trampled all over the Constitution and Bill of Rights on bad advice of underlings. Or went ape-sh*t nutz only when Ferrets were mentioned, oh well.

Seems to me that Rooty is mentally ill with a God Complex and is the LAST person in the world who should be near the Nuclear Football and have the launch codes (the wacko would prolly nuke Wyoming, just for spite)

8 posted on 01/22/2008 6:22:54 AM PST by Condor51 (I wouldn't vote for Rooty under any circumstance -- even if Waterboarded!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Liberal elitists at the NYT do NOT LIKE RUDY!

Wonder why?

9 posted on 01/22/2008 6:23:07 AM PST by what's up
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It’s going to take someone with ruthless, killer instincts to go up against the clintons in Nov. The truth is, though, there is no one more ruthless than the clintons, which is why they will destroy all their opponents.


10 posted on 01/22/2008 6:23:49 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Redbob; Mrs. Don-o
hick from the hills of Arkansas
insane old liberal from Arizona
Tony Soprano in control of the FBI and IRS

Ah, such good choices!

11 posted on 01/22/2008 6:24:39 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Gently alluding to the indisputably obvious is not gloating." ~Richard John Neuhaus)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Dems are likely to retain control of both houses of Congress in 2008. This article describes qualities a Republican president would require.


12 posted on 01/22/2008 6:27:52 AM PST by tlb
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
"It’s going to take someone with ruthless, killer instincts to go up against the clintons in Nov."

Oh, I don't know. He's got a mansionful of skeletons which would be paraded out, bone by bone, if he were to get the Elephantine nomination; and if, GOP forbid, he were to become President--- pro-abortion, pro-gay,/ SanctuaryCity USA --- can't you just hear it being chanted? From Left point of view, tsk tsk, he's got his warts, but still there's so-o-o much to like.

13 posted on 01/22/2008 6:37:29 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Sorry: Tag-line presently at the dry cleaners. Please find suitable bumper-sticker instead.)
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To: Redbob

Given your flair for words like “hick” and “insane” and “Clintonian,” in speaking of Republicans, I do believe there’s a seat with your name on it in the putred Dem corner — can we help you pack?


14 posted on 01/22/2008 6:39:37 AM PST by awakened (Remember -- There are no dead atheists.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Giuliani is about my last choice in the field.

But considering that only this week the NYT made up a whole front-page story that said that Iraq War vets were psycho-killers on the homefront, I wouldn't put much stock in any of this.
15 posted on 01/22/2008 6:39:46 AM PST by horse_doc (Visualize a world where a tactical nuke went off at Max Yasgur's farm in 1969.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The guy plays hardball! After eight years of illegal amnesty and no child left behind maybe a barracuda would be nice for a change. What have we got to lose.


16 posted on 01/22/2008 6:42:24 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You can’t be a NY politician without at least some of this.

You think Mario and Andrew Cuomo are “nice guys” who should respect for their opposition. You think the Spitzer family doesn’t play vengence-filled hardball? Charlie Rangel?

However, it says something that none of these nasty vengence-filled NY RAT politicians guys would EVER cross the Clintons!!!


17 posted on 01/22/2008 6:42:35 AM PST by rod1 (uestion)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Once again, people here are joining arms with the Left on Giuliani.

Enjoy what it’s gotten you, guys.


18 posted on 01/22/2008 6:43:11 AM PST by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Seeing as how President Bush has been stabbed in the back at every turn by career bureaucrats in the CIA, State Dept. and elsewhere perhaps a candidate who knows how to clean house is what we need.


19 posted on 01/22/2008 6:44:53 AM PST by joebuck
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Rudolph W. Giuliani likens himself to a boxer who never takes a punch without swinging back. As mayor, he made the vengeful roundhouse an instrument of government, clipping anyone who crossed him.


I love it. The GOP needs a brawler, not a bawler, to take the fight to our enemies foreign and domestic. No other candidate on the GOP side has this kind of tenacity.


20 posted on 01/22/2008 6:47:59 AM PST by Senator Goldwater
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Anybody here a bit envious of China’s anti-porn laws?

I am. We could use a touch of Rudy.


21 posted on 01/22/2008 6:49:07 AM PST by littlehouse36 (Why be Europe?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I’m feeling at this point like the Buzzard”I’m ready to go out and kill something”. At least with Rudy I know what I’m getting.


22 posted on 01/22/2008 6:51:12 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: joebuck

Although Rudy is not my pick, I’d still offer a loud applause to your comment. President Bush has played Mr. Nice Guy far too long and hesitated in too many areas trying to be “politically correct” (imho Iraq should have been turned into a parking lot a long time ago) so perhaps a Rudy who plays hardball to get the job done would be a welcome relief.


23 posted on 01/22/2008 6:51:22 AM PST by awakened (Remember -- There are no dead atheists.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"...He puts one of yours in the hospital, you put one of his in the morgue."

I'll take it.

24 posted on 01/22/2008 6:58:19 AM PST by TonyInOhio (FDR got this right, at least: The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

“It’s going to take someone with ruthless, killer instincts to go up against the clintons in Nov. The truth is, though, there is no one more ruthless than the clintons, which is why they will destroy all their opponents.”

The members of the The Mafia Commission were a pretty ruthless bunch also. Rudy helped put them away.
Willard has got nothing on Anthony Salerno (Boss of the Genovese family) he died he died in 92 he was a guest of the federal government at the time.


25 posted on 01/22/2008 7:00:52 AM PST by Valin
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To: awakened; Jim Robinson
FTA: "A caseworker who spoke of missteps in the death of a child was fired. After unidentified city workers complained of pressure to hand contracts to Giuliani-favored organizations, investigators examined not the charges but the identity of the leakers."

You say "perhaps a Rudy who plays hardball to get the job done would be a welcome relief." But he's not playing hardball "to get the job done." He was punishing people who are trying to protect abused children who are wards of the court, interfering in the awarding of city contracts so his campaign contributors will get their payoff, destroying the careers of ordinary citizens who criticized any aspect of his administration.

Naturally as conservatives we hoot and high-five when the Left's bull is gored. But this stuff has much wider, deeper, and dirtier ramifications. It's an arrogant mailed-fist reflex that could maul you, me, or anybody if Rudy had the power of the Presidency.

I would fully expect conservative organizations that crossed him to face retaliation once Rudy had a firm grip on the Federal Government's multiplex mechanisms of revenge. FReeper Rudy fans might be shouting Hallelujah for 3 minutes, but ALL of us be guarding our words and watching our backs for the next 3 1/2 years.

26 posted on 01/22/2008 7:22:38 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Sorry: Tag-line presently at the dry cleaners. Please find suitable bumper-sticker instead.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

If Giuliani is such a fighter, then why did he take steps to avoid the Vietnam Draft? Giuliani is just a self-serving crook.


27 posted on 01/22/2008 7:30:11 AM PST by Kuksool (Giuliani avoided the early primaries in the same manner that he avoided Vietnam service)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Yep — which is why I said “perhaps *A* Rudy who plays hardball TO GET THE JOB DONE” would be a welcome relief. (I did NOT say “Rudy who played hardball for his own purposes...” Fred Thompson would have (will?) played hardball to get the job done. Playing hardball is definitely called for. Getting the job done is definitely called for. I never said Rudy’s actions were admirable and in fact made it clear I would not vote for him.


28 posted on 01/22/2008 7:37:09 AM PST by awakened (Remember -- There are no dead atheists.)
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To: awakened

OK. —Sorry if I misconstrued you. Now I catch your distinction. Thanks for the correction.


29 posted on 01/22/2008 7:56:21 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (What's Rudy but Ah-nold in a dress?)
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To: FreeInWV; 383rr; abishai; Afronaut; airborne; Alberta's Child; Alice in Wonderland; Antonious; ...
The “Stop Rudy” ping list!

E-mail/ping me if you want on/off the list! SPREAD THE WORD!!!

More examples of how Rudy abused authority and power in NYC. I fear for Freepers if this guy seizes power in Washington D.C.

Rudy must be stopped NOW - starting in Florida.

30 posted on 01/22/2008 7:57:18 AM PST by TitansAFC ("My 80% enemy is not my 20% friend" -- Common Sense)
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To: Condor51
" Seems to me that Rooty is mentally ill with a God Complex and is the LAST person in the world who should be near the Nuclear Football and have the launch codes (the wacko would prolly nuke Wyoming, just for spite)"

I think it's a toss-up between McCain and Rudy who has the larger ego, holds a grudge more, and is the most mentally ill. I don't want either one of them in charge of anything in gov't. that has any control over me.

31 posted on 01/22/2008 8:02:02 AM PST by penowa
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To: Mrs. Don-o

This article almost makes me want to send Rudy a contribution.

Anybody but McCain.


32 posted on 01/22/2008 8:12:08 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Jimmy Carter gave away a canal. John McCain gave away the 1st Amendment.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
But this stuff has much wider, deeper, and dirtier ramifications. It's an arrogant mailed-fist reflex that could maul you, me, or anybody if Rudy had the power of the Presidency.

I have no problem at all imaging President Giuliani using the FBI and the IRS in the same way he used local law enforcement during his mayoralty.

For example the assumption that "ant-terrorism" laws are not threat to the freedoms of average citizen's rests on the assumption that they will be reasonably enforced - at least Giuliani's minions had to dig up decade old traffic warrants to arrest his critics, under anti-terrorism laws they would not even need that, they could act entirely on the basis of any sort of nebulous association with "subversive" individuals they chose.

33 posted on 01/22/2008 8:19:24 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas (Opinion based on research by an eyewear firm, which surveyed 100 members of a speed dating club.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
What is the point in stopping him if the alternatives -- McCain and Romney -- are equally as bad? Giuliani, McCain and Romney all must be stopped or we are headed for a Hillary Clinton Presidency or a replay of Arnold Schwarzenegger governorship on a national scale.
34 posted on 01/22/2008 8:31:51 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Dunno. Can we resuscitate Fred?


35 posted on 01/22/2008 8:40:08 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (What's Rudy but Ah-nold in a dress?)
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To: what's up
After AIDS activists with Housing Works loudly challenged the mayor, city officials sabotaged the group’s application for a federal housing grant.

Good for Rudy!

If this were a charity whose goals you agreed with, would you be saying the same thing?

36 posted on 01/22/2008 8:48:22 AM PST by jmc813 (Don't screw this up, vote for Thompson.)
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To: littlehouse36
Anybody here a bit envious of China’s anti-porn laws?

I am. We could use a touch of Rudy.

OK, what in the hell is going on here on FR?!? Rumors of Fred dropping out start to surface and all of the Rudy fascist freepers come out of the framework the next day?

37 posted on 01/22/2008 8:54:42 AM PST by jmc813 (Don't screw this up, vote for Thompson.)
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To: Senator Goldwater

Rudy did sucker punch Pataki in 1994 but George survived. I don’t want Rudy around next year to stick his knife in every conservative group that crosses him, so it’s a good thing that this turd is circling the bowl and is about to disappear.


38 posted on 01/22/2008 9:06:04 AM PST by LiveFree99
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Mr. Schillaci suffered an emotional breakdown, was briefly hospitalized ...

Long enough to cash in

39 posted on 01/22/2008 9:12:47 AM PST by wideminded
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To: wideminded
The police spokeswoman falsely told the press he had been convicted of sodomy. I guess he could have just sued her, personally. But you gotta admit--- on the Willie Sutton principle --- suing the city pays better.

BTW: you can be "convicted" of sodomy? Who knew?

40 posted on 01/22/2008 9:27:35 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Just for the record.)
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To: ontap

Rudy is a woman.


41 posted on 01/22/2008 10:01:40 AM PST by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: ontap
At least with Rudy I know what I’m getting.

Yeah, a pervert.

42 posted on 01/22/2008 10:03:38 AM PST by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: ontap
"...After eight years of illegal amnesty..."

Yeah, we need a change of pace with Señor Sanctuary City Nuevo York! ¡Híjole, cabrón!

43 posted on 01/22/2008 10:34:50 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Just for the record.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
At least, the guy was compensated. How many times have the Clintons had to pay anyone for the misery they leave.
44 posted on 01/22/2008 10:37:11 AM PST by kcvl
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To: Mrs. Don-o

He wasn’t any worse than what we have. At least he says he has changed his mind. Who do you think is going to do anything?


45 posted on 01/22/2008 10:38:06 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Schillaci had brought along a videotape camera and recorded the officers as they issued ticket after ticket to people who shot through the red light just as he had. With evidence in hand, he called the Civilian Complaint Review Board. They referred him to the chief of department. That office passed him to the police transportation division. From there, he was directed to the Traffic Investigation Unit. Those officers referred him to the Internal Affairs Division. But that unit said it was a matter for the Bronx Borough Command.

Schillaci brought his videotape to public advocate Mark Green, an eternal nemesis of Giuliani. In short order, Green delivered Schillaci to the Daily News. The story of the “traffic signal switcheroo” ended up on page one of the August 26, 1997, paper.


46 posted on 01/22/2008 10:40:47 AM PST by kcvl
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To: what's up

well it sure isn’t because he’s a CONSERVATIVE. it is because he is a REPUBLICAN and liberals don’t like republicans, no matter how liberal they are.


47 posted on 01/22/2008 10:42:12 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: awakened

A welcome relief indeed, a ruthless cunning SOB in the WH, battling the NYT and the Dims.

Na, the vaunted GOP base have spoken, and its McCain or Huck!

LOL, too funny, if not so sad.


48 posted on 01/22/2008 10:46:43 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: ontap

Fred. Can we resuscitate Fred?


49 posted on 01/22/2008 10:46:43 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Just for the record.)
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To: xsmommy
it is because he is a REPUBLICAN

Don't think it's just that. I haven't seen any screeds like this vs. McCain for instance from the NYT...nor Romney.

50 posted on 01/22/2008 10:55:32 AM PST by what's up
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