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Unreal ID (Illegal immigrants will always drive says lib-Balt-Sun)
Baltimore Sun ^ | January 22, 2008 | sun editorial

Posted on 01/22/2008 7:34:58 AM PST by sickoflibs

It appears Maryland will sit out the state rebellion against the federal Real ID program. Gov. Martin O'Malley's announcement last week that the Motor Vehicle Administration will comply with the costly and controversial program is unfortunate but not entirely unexpected.

As recently as last month, MVA officials had been floating the idea of a two-tiered approach to driver's licenses that would create one that met federal security standards and one that didn't require so-called proof of legal presence. But no doubt the negative reaction given New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer's similar proposal (from which he eventually backed down) had something to do with it.

So here's the consequence: By 2010, current and future driver's license holders will have to provide far more elaborate proof of identity and residency. For most people, that means original birth certificates and Social Security cards (not just numbers or copies) and waiting in long lines at local MVA offices, which will be swamped.

Illegal immigrants won't necessarily stop driving, but they likely won't be licensed, trained or have car insurance - bad news for the rest of us. Their lives, as members of the country's 11 million undocumented underclass, are just going to get a little worse.

Such a sacrifice might seem acceptable if it ensured the nation's safety, but it doesn't. Surely any terrorist capable of sneaking into the country is equally adept at forging a birth certificate from one of the 6,000 agencies that produce them. And, of course, the next Timothy McVeigh will suffer no particular hardship.

Some states have objected to this program - seven have refused to comply, and 17 have passed legislation condemning it.

Perhaps the program may yet be undone by the White House's next occupant. Maryland will just have to watch from the sidelines.

(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: aliens; driverslicense; illegal; immigrantlist; immigration; realid
"Perhaps the program may yet be undone by the White House's next occupant,"

You never hear libs claiming drunk drivers or men than stop child support payments will drive anyway when their licenses are taken.

1 posted on 01/22/2008 7:34:59 AM PST by sickoflibs
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To: sickoflibs

QUISLING: a synonym for traitor, someone who collaborates with the invaders of his country.

U.S. Constitution, Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"


Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.

2 posted on 01/22/2008 7:38:03 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: sickoflibs
Unreal ID (Illegal immigrants will always drive says lib-Balt-Sun)

And, murderers will always murder.So, do we make murder legal? God, I HATE liberals.

3 posted on 01/22/2008 7:38:52 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage
Their lives, as members of the country's 11 million undocumented underclass, are just going to get a little worse.

Tough crap!

4 posted on 01/22/2008 7:40:02 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: sickoflibs

“Illegal immigrants won’t necessarily stop driving, but they likely won’t be licensed, trained or have car insurance”.....Thank you, Jorge, Thank you! and how the hell can anyone vote for John McAmnesty!!??


5 posted on 01/22/2008 7:43:38 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Puppage
Their lives, as members of the country's 11 million undocumented underclass, are just going to get a little worse.

But obviously their lives will be better than being part of the documented underclass in Mexico, otherwise they'd go back there.

6 posted on 01/22/2008 7:47:04 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: sickoflibs
But no doubt the negative reaction given New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer's similar proposal (from which he eventually backed down) had something to do with it.

Close, but the truth is it would shine to much light on Hillary and the Dems and MSM are providing as much cover for her derria$$ as possible.

7 posted on 01/22/2008 7:47:37 AM PST by sr4402
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To: sickoflibs

***Their lives, as members of the country’s 11 million undocumented underclass, are just going to get a little worse.***

Multiply that by at least 2, safe bet would be multiply by 3, and at the extreme high end, multiply by 4.


8 posted on 01/22/2008 7:48:44 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Illegal alien, illegal drivers license, illegal to stay.
Deport and adios. Only manipulative politicians seeking the pandering votes will allow such a travesty to continue.


9 posted on 01/22/2008 7:49:25 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: sickoflibs

There is a big sign in Longview TX advertising the sale of car insurance to illegals. It says (in Spanish, of course) “No license? No problem.” Now that’s a true entrepeneur.


10 posted on 01/22/2008 7:49:51 AM PST by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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To: sickoflibs
Can someone please explain or clarify to me how Maryland is currently a state that doesn't require proof of US citizenship or legal residency for obtaining a driver's license?

When I began the process to get a Maryland driver's license, I was expected to present my original birth certificate. I found out later that a US passport was also acceptable. For foreigners, a valid foreign passport plus certain INS documents are required.

Where does it state that Maryland would give a license to someone who doesn't have such documentation?

Here's a link to the MVA website regarding obtaining a driver's license.

11 posted on 01/22/2008 7:55:48 AM PST by pnh102
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To: pnh102

RE “Can someone please explain or clarify to me how Maryland is currently a state that doesn’t require proof of US citizenship or legal residency for obtaining a driver’s license?”

Been through this before

Example :

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938822/posts?page=51#51

Full List:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938822/posts?page=49#49


12 posted on 01/22/2008 8:02:55 AM PST by sickoflibs (Are libs really as dumb as they act??(maybe they just assume we are that dumb))
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To: sickoflibs

People are just going to shoplift anyway, so why have laws against theft?


13 posted on 01/22/2008 8:04:55 AM PST by oblomov
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To: wastedyears

One upside of the housing bust is that there will be much less incentive for the “undocumented” to stay here. Although housing construction has hit a brick wall, official employment (payrolls) haven’t dropped much, and even constructiuion sector employment hasn’t dropped in a way that would be consistent with the obvious recession in that sector. The job cuts have mostly been in unofficial employment, so far at least.


14 posted on 01/22/2008 8:10:22 AM PST by oblomov
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To: sickoflibs
Been through this before

I'm reading the links you supplied and they seem to match the list I linked to at the MVA. I know this sounds irritating, but I am genuinely not seeing it. I suppose someone could present a valid foreign passport and valid foreign driver's license. Is this how an illegal could get a Maryland driver's license?

I suppose an MVA employee could be in on a scam and let an illegal with fake documents have a driver's license, but of course that is not the proper procedure.

15 posted on 01/22/2008 8:18:17 AM PST by pnh102
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To: Travis McGee; hellinahandcart; Lil'freeper; big'ol_freeper; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

You should have a picture of Our Boy Governor there. He certainly fits the bill!


16 posted on 01/22/2008 8:22:28 AM PST by sauropod (Fred Reed: "Without men, civilization would last until the oil needed changing.")
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To: pnh102
It's all here for the illegals.

http://www.mvamaryland.com/Resources/DL-197.pdf

• Utility, telephone bill or cable/satellite TV bill*

Residential rental contract (apartment lease or other rental of real property)*

• Major credit card bill

Residential service contract (refers to services performed at the address of residence; for example, TV repair, lawn service, exterminator contract, cable or satellite television)

• Court Order of Probation, Order of Parole or Order of Mandatory Release

• Canceled check with imprinted name and address*

That penultimate one about probation is pretty funny. Bank of America and Chevy Chase Bank are in on most of the rest.

17 posted on 01/22/2008 8:22:51 AM PST by VanShuyten ("The pilgrims had opened with their Winchesters, and were simply squirting lead into that bush")
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To: sickoflibs

“Illegal immigrants won’t necessarily stop driving, but they likely won’t be licensed, trained or have car insurance - bad news for the rest of us. Their lives, as members of the country’s 11 million undocumented underclass, are just going to get a little worse.”

If you’re caught driving w/o a license, you should be arrested. If you’re arrested and found to be in this country illegally, you should be deported.

Problem solved.


18 posted on 01/22/2008 8:30:11 AM PST by walford (http://the-big-pic.org)
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To: VanShuyten
I like how there is a "Register to Vote" image on the bottom of the "out of country" driver's license application. :/

Ok, so you bring a foreign driver's license and a foreign passport to satisfy the "Primary Sources" requirement. So... my guess is right, if you use the foreign driver's license and foreign passport, you would not need any INS documents to back those up.

For the "proof of residency" you can then bring any rental contract, credit card bill or utility bill. As these proofs of residency can be easily had by an illegal, that would be how they'd get in. I think I am understanding it now.

FYI - I'm not an illegal. :)

19 posted on 01/22/2008 8:33:40 AM PST by pnh102
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To: pnh102

Just consider Maryland as a third world country when it comes to the United States. We zig when everyone else zags, always been that way.


20 posted on 01/22/2008 8:42:42 AM PST by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: sickoflibs
What complete and utter balderdash.

So here's the consequence: By 2010, current and future driver's license holders will have to provide far more elaborate proof of identity and residency. For most people, that means original birth certificates and Social Security cards (not just numbers or copies) and waiting in long lines at local MVA offices, which will be swamped.

So we shouldn't do it since it unfairly burdens citizens?

… And, of course, the next Timothy McVeigh will suffer no particular hardship.

Unless they're citizens who are scary domestic terrorists of course, presumably they'll have their own line. Give me strength.

21 posted on 01/22/2008 8:43:29 AM PST by Flashman_at_the_charge (A proud member of the self-preservation society)
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To: pnh102
RE : but I am genuinely not seeing it. “

There is no requirement that the foreign documentation show that the person is here legally. The foreign passport or birth certificate says nothing about the person being here legally.
Democrat Gov O”Malley proved it when he proposed parallel drivers licenses this month. If MD was not purposefully giving licenses to illegals he would not have proposed special illegal licenses so they could continue driving. Have you been following this issue at all???

Example :

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938822/posts?page=51#51

1) Primary :

Foreign/Out-of-Country documents may be used as a primary/secondary source of identification if translated into English by a
Maryland District Court interpreter/translator, an MVA approved interpreter/translator, or the Embassy of the country where issued

22 posted on 01/22/2008 8:47:28 AM PST by sickoflibs (Are libs really as dumb as they act??(maybe they just assume we are that dumb))
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To: pnh102
It isn't about the driver's license.

The unstated issue is expanding the right to vote to illegals. The MSM and democrats want that big-time. Auto-Fraudo (motor voter) requires the states' dmv's to offer every applicant the opportunity to register to vote. At the same time, they are forbidden to ask if the potential applicant is qualified or to inform of the requirements.

Licensing illegals is all about diluting republican votes. (dems know that as law-breakers, illegals are likely democrat party members)

23 posted on 01/22/2008 8:49:27 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: sickoflibs

Just to cheer people up, here is a run down of why and how the Baltimore Sun is circling the drain: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1956676/posts


24 posted on 01/22/2008 8:54:25 AM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: sickoflibs
"Perhaps the program may yet be undone by the White House's next occupant..."

Uh, huh, displaying a total lack of knowledge of how laws are passed in this country and the power of the executive to "undo" law. But I do think we ought to ask all those vying for the White House what they plan to do.

25 posted on 01/22/2008 9:00:04 AM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: Sgt_Schultze
The unstated issue is expanding the right to vote to illegals.

Exactly. Someone else mentioned it this way, but it describes the situation perfectly... a driver's license for any illegal is basically amnesty at the state level. Once you have one, you're legit.

26 posted on 01/22/2008 10:49:25 AM PST by pnh102
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To: sickoflibs; VanShuyten

Thanks for the explanation.


27 posted on 01/22/2008 10:50:34 AM PST by pnh102
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To: sickoflibs

bump


28 posted on 01/22/2008 10:56:06 AM PST by VOA
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


29 posted on 01/22/2008 11:27:27 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: sickoflibs; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; cindy-true-supporter; ...
Their lives, as members of the country's 11 million undocumented underclass, are just going to get a little worse.

Good. Maybe they'll leave and stop sucking on my recently-increased taxes.

Maryland "Freak State" PING!

30 posted on 01/22/2008 12:15:16 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I resolve to remember to write "08" on my checks.)
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To: Puppage

Personally, I try not to hate liberals. I would end up hating most people in this state, as well as some of my friends. But it’s hard, I know.


31 posted on 01/22/2008 12:16:47 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I resolve to remember to write "08" on my checks.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

And if the Frederalist drops out (for understandable reasons), we’ll have the choice of Mitt-wit, Health Nut Huckabee, McKook, Rooty, and RuPaul. Wheeeeeeeee!


32 posted on 01/22/2008 12:19:01 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I resolve to remember to write "08" on my checks.)
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To: ANGGAPO

Actually, we zig roughly when Kalifornia zigs. California commits to reducing GHGs by 80 percent, Moron O’Malice ups the ante with a goal of 90 percent. Schwarzedoofus signs microstamping legislation. Moron O’Malice, any time to be, I predict.


33 posted on 01/22/2008 12:28:36 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I resolve to remember to write "08" on my checks.)
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To: sickoflibs
Listen to this propaganda from the NYT

Hiding in Waukegan

Julia Preston reports on how illegal immigrants and their families have retreated from community life following immigration raids and local clampdown measures

34 posted on 01/22/2008 1:37:54 PM PST by restornu (Understanding that Grace and Mercy is what one receives after all they can do!)
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To: restornu

Thanks. It goes well with the BS lib editorial.


35 posted on 01/23/2008 5:04:31 AM PST by sickoflibs (Are libs really as dumb as they act??(maybe they just assume we are that dumb))
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To: sickoflibs

why can’t these people use their REAL ID? Mexican licenses are perfectly legal in the US.


36 posted on 01/23/2008 9:46:54 AM PST by Republicus2001
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