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Ashamed to have ever believed in Duncan Hunter
Excellence In America ^ | 1/23/2008 at 9:17 PM EST | Jason Bradley

Posted on 01/23/2008 6:19:25 PM PST by ExcellenceInAmericacom

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To: GinaLolaB
Why? Duncan Hunter is GOOD. Maybe he knows something that you do not.

If he knows something we don't and if his endorsement is to mean anything then he needs to spill the beans about what we don't know. This is meaningless until he can provide some details to his decision process.

101 posted on 01/23/2008 7:39:32 PM PST by torchthemummy (Go Mitt! I Know He Has Alot To Prove But I Believe He Will Exceed Expectations)
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To: eyedigress

I hope Florida goes Romney... I REALLY hope so. I hope he wins in all. Florida would be huge at this stage to make a clear front runner going into super 2s.


102 posted on 01/23/2008 7:39:40 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: editor-surveyor

Thank you for pointing out that Tancredo endorsed Romney. I don’t remember FReepers having a cow when that happened. But Hunter endorsing Huckabee - now that’s worth having a cow over! Sheeesh already.


103 posted on 01/23/2008 7:40:36 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (Romney Rocks!!!)
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To: 11th_VA

Freerepublic.com majority would’ve supported Goldwater over that uppity Reagan.


104 posted on 01/23/2008 7:41:11 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: avenir
Have some more of that good ole' Huc-Kool-Aid.

It is unconscionable for a man who describes himself...prides himself as a "Conservative..." excuse me, "the Conservative," to endorse someone as patently socialist as Mike Huckabee. Huckabee is a Liberal, not even a moderate, but a Liberal.

He favors a big-brother type of government which helps all his fellow travelers. He makes President Bush's "compassionate conservatism" look like John Birch propaganda.

You can stick all the "R's" on that jackass you want, but it won't make him an elephant.
105 posted on 01/23/2008 7:43:40 PM PST by Sudetenland (Mike Huckabee=Bill Clinton. Can we afford another Clinton in the White House...from either party?)
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To: sam_paine
Freerepublic.com majority would’ve supported Goldwater over that uppity Reagan.

Virtually everyone associated with RR has been branded a "RINO" here. We use that term with about as much precision as liberals use the term "racist."

106 posted on 01/23/2008 7:45:09 PM PST by outofstyle (My Ride's Here)
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To: sam_paine

Goldwater and Reagan never ran against each other.


107 posted on 01/23/2008 7:46:25 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: Sola Veritas

” Also, I find it as scary how quickly this group endorses Romney. Absolutely unbelievable and just plain damnable foolishness.”

I will never understand how conservatives on FR could support a liberal slimeball like Flip. It turns my stomach to think that he may very well be the republican nominee. The amount of ignorance I’ve seen displayed here from the fliparoos is mind boggling. WIll Rogers summed it up well when he said, “When ignorance gets started it knows no bounds”. The fliparoos have certainly proven that to be true.


108 posted on 01/23/2008 7:49:27 PM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense? Don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: sam_paine
"Freerepublic.com majority would’ve supported Goldwater over that uppity Reagan."

Reagan was Goldwater's keynote speaker at the '64 convention.

109 posted on 01/23/2008 7:49:27 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: Sudetenland
Huckabee is a Liberal, not even a moderate, but a Liberal.

Yeah, like Reagan was when he ran:

Reagan, With Eye to '80 Nomination, Woos GOP Moderates on Capital Hill

The Washington Post|Jan 23, 1979|By Bill Peterson

Ronald Reagan, sounding like a prospective bridegroom, about ready to pop the big question, yesterday launched an intense three-day courtship of the Republican congressional establishment, taking special pains to seek the favor of party moderates.

He's probably rolling over in his grave after reading threads like this one ...

110 posted on 01/23/2008 7:50:26 PM PST by 11th_VA
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To: Sola Veritas
Be honest with this forum. You were already a Romney supporter, and that is why you call his reasons BS.

If I wanted to be dishonest I wouldn't have added a tagline endorsement - yesterday - and would pretend complete objectivity. I used to have a tagline that read "A Presidential endorsement here forfeits any claim of objectivity" because I think that is a fair presumption. It doesn't mean I, or others, can't be objective just that it is fair to question our motivation. Fine.

That being admitted, Hunter stated before his endorsement of Huckabee that he wouldn't support Romney because of a company's action in regards to military sales to China of which Romney had no role. The company in question was already resurrected when this decision was made absent Romney. That was when I seriously questioned Hunter's "integrity" and this endorsement only adds to my suspicion of his anti-Romney attitude.

111 posted on 01/23/2008 7:50:38 PM PST by torchthemummy (Go Mitt! I Know He Has Alot To Prove But I Believe He Will Exceed Expectations)
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To: ExcellenceInAmericacom; All

“I got to know Governor Huckabee well on the campaign trail,” said Hunter. “Of the remaining candidates I feel that he is strongly committed to strengthening national defense....and meeting the challenge of China’s emergence as a military superpower that is taking large portions of America’s industrial base.”

Folks, I am openly a Mike Huckabee supporter. Have been since last December when I finally decided on him. Also, if you read my profile you will know that I’m also strongly and firstly a moral conservative.

However, you should also know that professionally I literally eat, live, and breath national defense. My current employment and side employment deal with national defense. I’m not in military intelligence, so my analyses are not those of a MI analyst, but based upon my amateur assessment of the way things are unfolding in this world right now.....China is the BIGGEST threat to the U.S. Much greater even than the Islamists that we will eventually stomp out. China is beating us economically and using the money they gain to build a military that we will probably have to face within 2 decades, if they don’t destroy us economically first. I’m an old “cold-warrior” and China scares me more than the USSR ever did.

Hunter (and apparently Huckabee) understand this. You need to listen. There are many loose cannons in the Mideast and SW Asia that are serious problems (Iran), but the biggest long term threat to future generations is Red China.


112 posted on 01/23/2008 7:52:47 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: ExcellenceInAmericacom

Ah yes, Duncan Hunter, the “real” conservative...the one now backing the GOP’s very own version of Jimmah Carter. And to think we endured months of grief from Hunter supporters that accused other Freepers of betraying conservatism because they wouldn’t fall in behind “Hunter’s Rangers”.


113 posted on 01/23/2008 7:53:22 PM PST by DesScorp
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To: fideist

“The problem is not with him. It is with those who do not know him.

What a man. God bless him!”

Excuse me while I puke. What a sorry ass excuse.


114 posted on 01/23/2008 7:53:59 PM PST by toddlintown (Building More Highways For Children---Huckleberry Talking Point)
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To: eyedigress
More absurd than that...Reagan's speech..."The Speech"... was given at a campaign stop Ronaldus Magnus was making on behalf of Goldwater. He was a Goldwater supporter (as was I-even though I couldn't vote yet).

"The things that pass for knowledge, I can't understand." (Steely Dan, Reelin' in the Years)

Especially around here.
115 posted on 01/23/2008 7:54:47 PM PST by Sudetenland (Mike Huckabee=Bill Clinton. Can we afford another Clinton in the White House...from either party?)
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To: 11th_VA

Just what did the talking points of that courtship entail? It could have been Goldwater in ‘79 and he would have won.


116 posted on 01/23/2008 7:55:07 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: Sola Veritas
Also, I find it as scary how quickly this group endorses Romney. Absolutely unbelievable and just plain damnable foolishness.

I have taken a deep breath, I have renewed my search for the lesser of evils.

Everyone is neck and neck, in that department.

I am trying to find a candidate who has a histoy of supporting the RKBA, and it is pretty grim.

117 posted on 01/23/2008 7:56:36 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: GinaLolaB

“The RNC decided two years ago who they were going to have for their nominee.”

Yeah. Sure, like The Great Carnac.


118 posted on 01/23/2008 7:57:04 PM PST by toddlintown (Building More Highways For Children---Huckleberry Talking Point)
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To: Rock&RollRepublican
I think Duncan was giving the Republican base a little "pay back" for not getting behind his campaign.

Problem with your theory (and the system) is that every primary until now has been an open primary when socialists can walk into the polls and vote for a Republican nominee. Why in the hell would you exact "payback" when you KNOW this? Why would you endorse the WORST Republican just for some semblance of vengance? I was a supporter of Duncan Hunter, and I an extremely disappointed in him. I then supported Fred, but he entered late and really failed to campaign. We now have only one candidate left... Mitt Romney. He was not my first choice, but he is far better than any of the Dhimmicrats. To sit this one out is to vote for socialism, higher taxes, another Dhimmicratic appointment to the SCOTUS, and a weak national defense!

119 posted on 01/23/2008 7:57:27 PM PST by CurlyBill (Democrats: Trying hard to manufacture a loss in Iraq ... all for politics)
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To: CurlyBill

Your words are few and powerful.. :^)


120 posted on 01/23/2008 7:59:30 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: Rastus

“The way I figure it, Dunc figured he had to endorse *somebody*. The four remaining being equally horrible, he put the names in a hat and Huckabee’s what came up.”

That may not be too far from the truth. All these people castigating Hunter should ask themselves, just who did they expect him to endorse? Is there a candidate still in the race that I haven’t heard of yet?


121 posted on 01/23/2008 8:01:49 PM PST by eclecticEel (oh well, Hunter 2012 anyone?)
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To: outofstyle; eyedigress; editor-surveyor

From Reagan’s memoir, he certainly did attempt an initial run against Goldwater, but ceded and supported him and faithfully bided his time.

My point is that if Reagan himself were to run today, I suspect that the blogosphere, indeed even FR would beat the hell out of him for this single-issue or that single-issue, and he’d never be able to put together a “Reagan Coalition.”


122 posted on 01/23/2008 8:03:57 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Sudetenland; Jeff Chandler
Look out kid
They keep it all hid
123 posted on 01/23/2008 8:04:04 PM PST by Jim Noble (Trails of trouble, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: eclecticEel

Nader


124 posted on 01/23/2008 8:04:51 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: 11th_VA
Go back and listen to his speeches. He tried to make the party a party of the big tent, but he never compromised on his basic principles. Huckabee has flipped on his principles again and again as he has been confronted by his record, primarily because he has no principles.

One can "court moderates" without adopting their ideology. I can embrace anyone in the Republican Party without adopting their ideals. I welcome gays in the Party, as long as they don't ask me to endorse their life-style or compromise my ideals and basic beliefs. That is the essence of politics, courting your opponents without being seduced by their ideology.

Since Huckabee has no underlying principles beyond his basic Baptist Christianity, he is free to flip-flop like a freshly landed fish...which he does with alacrity.
125 posted on 01/23/2008 8:04:56 PM PST by Sudetenland (Mike Huckabee=Bill Clinton. Can we afford another Clinton in the White House...from either party?)
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To: ExcellenceInAmericacom
I have full faith and confidence in Congressman Hunter's judgement and urge you to join me in following his example.

Well, I guess that settles it General.
We all gettin' behind Huckabee now?
FReepers?

126 posted on 01/23/2008 8:05:23 PM PST by XR7
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To: Jim Noble

Pump don’t work cuz the vandals took the handle


127 posted on 01/23/2008 8:05:25 PM PST by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: eyedigress

Thanks!!!


128 posted on 01/23/2008 8:07:23 PM PST by CurlyBill (Democrats: Trying hard to manufacture a loss in Iraq ... all for politics)
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To: Sola Veritas

Looks like you’re the fool


129 posted on 01/23/2008 8:07:51 PM PST by NYC Republican (Romney/Barbour -the ONLY one to stop Huck, McCain, Rudy and Hillary!)
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To: eclecticEel

““The way I figure it, Dunc figured he had to endorse *somebody*. The four remaining being equally horrible, he put the names in a hat and Huckabee’s what came up.”

That may not be too far from the truth. All these people castigating Hunter should ask themselves, just who did they expect him to endorse? Is there a candidate still in the race that I haven’t heard of yet?”

You’re more than likely correct. I just wish we had known he respected Huckabee before this. I think that would have been helpful information for several reasons. A lot of freepers have met Huckabee, I’d like to hear what they say. “liking’ someone is just not how I usually pick a candidate. I prefer relying on a record.
But they’re all about the same there, except for McCain.
No way, no how.


130 posted on 01/23/2008 8:08:13 PM PST by AuntB (" DON'T LET THE PRESS PICK YOUR CANDIDATE!" Mrs. Duncan Hunter 1/5/08)
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To: La Enchiladita

Yeah, sorry about that. I thought you were talking about the pres. elections.


131 posted on 01/23/2008 8:08:57 PM PST by upsdriver (Thank you, Duncan Hunter! ! Like Ronald Reagan, you make me proud to be an American!)
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To: sam_paine

That coalition started with the first run in 75 and had the moderate democrats looking. After the Dems took the hit for taking back the wealth of America, they didn’t have a chance.


132 posted on 01/23/2008 8:09:02 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: torchthemummy

“That was when I seriously questioned Hunter’s “integrity” and this endorsement only adds to my suspicion of his anti-Romney attitude.”

Well pardon this biased & bigoted Southern Baptist, but having an anti-Romney attitude is just plain common sense to me - on many levels.


133 posted on 01/23/2008 8:12:31 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: eyedigress
Just what did the talking points of that courtship entail?

I don't know the details, but there was probably less talk about 'purity' than one tends to read on the threads around here.

From a 'development of social movements' point of view, I understand totally what's going on. 2nd generation followers often want to 'purge' the movements from undersirable elements they believe have prevented the 'full establishment' of the original intent.

History is repleat with examples - Martin Luther never wanted to start a 'new church,' he only wanted to reform the exsisting church.

But after his death, the reformers saw no way to go forward without breaking away from the 'Mother Church.'

In a similar way, I understand MANY of the concerns conservatives have in 'compromises' other conservatives have had to make. They see it as the proverbial 'Camel under the tent' in many cases, and fear the LIBs will use minor changes in policy/laws to push forward with they're agenda.

I tend to be a little less fearful, and willing to compromise - guess that makes me a liberal ...

134 posted on 01/23/2008 8:13:26 PM PST by 11th_VA
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To: AuntB
That may not be too far from the truth. All these people castigating Hunter should ask themselves, just who did they expect him to endorse? Is there a candidate still in the race that I haven’t heard of yet?”

Are you kidding??? There was no bigger Duncan Hunter supporter than I was. He could not have endorsed a candidate farther from his core beliefs than he did. Can you honestly say that Huckabee and Hunter were politically compatible??? This is FREAKIN' NUTS!!!

135 posted on 01/23/2008 8:14:46 PM PST by CurlyBill (Democrats: Trying hard to manufacture a loss in Iraq ... all for politics)
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To: ExcellenceInAmericacom

I’m not ashamed I believed in him, but this endorsement is really illogical.


136 posted on 01/23/2008 8:17:03 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator ('Anokhi HaShem 'Eloqeykha 'asher hotze'tikha me'Eretz Mitzrayim, mibeit `avadim . . .)
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To: ExcellenceInAmericacom

One thing I finally learned in politics is to never become too attached to any politician because he’ll eventually disappoint you. Just accept the fact, if you support ANY politician long enough he WILL disappoint you, perhaps greatly, sooner or later.


137 posted on 01/23/2008 8:17:39 PM PST by LiveFree99
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To: 11th_VA
It doesn't at all. You are edumacated. The world flows with money. period. It's Biblical. Our perserverance for freedom of this, for our citizens, has made us the most powerful and richest nation on earth.

Remove that freedom and you lose that power.

138 posted on 01/23/2008 8:22:10 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: CurlyBill

Exactly. I didnt’t even get behind Fred until two months ago, aghast as I was at the sorry bunch presented us in our most perilous time in our nation’s history!

They call the hold-outs wishy-washy? Just the opposite. We knew all there was for us was this process of elimination.

Mitt has my vote, but I ain’t wearin’ his bumper sticker.


139 posted on 01/23/2008 8:22:29 PM PST by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs /Some RINO/Some other RINO '08 / Yes you'll vote against Clinton)
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To: Sola Veritas

Well, rather than tell us how probably it was an informed decision on Hunter’s part, why don’t you educate us and post Hunter’s reasons for this decision?


140 posted on 01/23/2008 8:23:17 PM PST by spyone
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To: ExcellenceInAmericacom

Well, I’m not a Huckabee fan, and, no, I can’t really understand why Hunter would pick him. But come on, some people here are totally overreacting. I’d still vote for Hunter again in a heartbeat. He is an excellent Congressman and I am definitely still proud to have supported him. And I will probably do it again, the next time he runs.

As for who I’m going to vote for now, I’m not sure. I’ve decided that I’m not just going to throw my vote away by on a candidate who’s dropped out, but I don’t particularly like any of the remaining contenders, either. This won’t be easy.


141 posted on 01/23/2008 8:23:51 PM PST by Zeon Cowboy (Pardon Ramos and Compean NOW! // Duncan Hunter '12?)
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To: torchthemummy
With 10 months to go until the election, and in one simple sentence, you have declared that your opinion has nothing to bring to the conversation but pessimism and an attitude of defeat. Ain't buying what you've got to sell, thank-you very much.

Actually, I am an optimist. My reasoning has everything to do with the fact that whoever the nominee is, large numbers of normally Republican voters will not turn out to support the candidate. If Hillary is the nominee, we have a chance only because of hatred for her and Democrats having little problem identifying themselves with the Republican nominee.

142 posted on 01/23/2008 8:24:02 PM PST by upsdriver (Thank you, Duncan Hunter! ! Like Ronald Reagan, you make me proud to be an American!)
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To: editor-surveyor

No, the 1964 keynoter was the Rockefeller choice, then Governor and later Senator Mark O. Hatfield of liberal OR.


143 posted on 01/23/2008 8:26:35 PM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: sam_paine

No, he considered an initial run against Nixon in 1968, not Goldwater in 1964. Goldwater in 1976 acquired Nancy Reagan’s eternal wrath when he endorsed G. Ford.


144 posted on 01/23/2008 8:28:08 PM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: txflake
Don't feel bad. I could have stayed away from the whole thing but I really liked the thought of FRed being in charge.

I will support Mitt FRomney now. If I have to listen to that cackle from billary for 4 years I won't make it.

145 posted on 01/23/2008 8:32:09 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: ExcellenceInAmericacom; Ronin; eyedigress; Sola Veritas; NordP; torchthemummy; 11th_VA; ...
Duncan Hunter Endorses Mike Huckabee
THIS IS NOT A SURPRISE.

Huckabee and Hunter where on the same page in every debate they where in together. Huckabee and Hunter come from the same conservative philosophical mold with the same foundational beliefs.

Duncan Video: Hunter/Huckabee stand up to Clinton/Corrupt News Network plant/Romney flip-flops on gays in military

Video Huckabee: There is nothing funny about President Hillary Clinton/We cannot be soft we must be strong and defeat Islamic fascism


HUCKABEE only mentioned one person for Secretary of Defense, DUNCAN HUNTER:
‘‘What you do,’’ he [Huckabee]explained, 'is surround yourself with the best possible advice.’ The only name he [Huckabee] mentioned was Representative Duncan Hunter of California. ‘Duncan is extraordinarily well qualified to be secretary of Defense,’ he [Huckabee] said.


Hunter undoubtedly had a closer look at Huckabee than conservative media commentators who have never met Huckabee or people commenting on a forum who have never bothered to research original sources or take a close look at what Huckabee actually says rather than what others are saying about him.


146 posted on 01/23/2008 8:32:49 PM PST by FreedomProtector
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To: CurlyBill

Those aren’t my words. They were quoted and requoted.


147 posted on 01/23/2008 8:33:07 PM PST by AuntB (" DON'T LET THE PRESS PICK YOUR CANDIDATE!" Mrs. Duncan Hunter 1/5/08)
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To: cripplecreek

Good article. And it gibes with a Duncan Hunter video I saw on trade. Hunter presented that other countries subsidize exports from their nations, while penalizing US imports, and that China devalues its currency to encourage exports. Economic theory concludes that they are hurting themselves by denying themselves better value US goods, in the first case, and reducing individual purchasing power (in dollars and other currencies), in the second case. Theory also says they are hurting us. Economic theory is logical and true. A dumb action hurts everyone. So how to respond? First, state that this is a problem, as Duncan Hunter has done. Then one might threaten a response. Negotiations are tough. Reagan on negotiating with the Soviets said that after negotiating with the Warner brothers, the Russians weren’t so bad.


148 posted on 01/23/2008 8:35:28 PM PST by ChessExpert (This enemy is more dangerous than any threat we faced in the 20th century, LTG Sanchez.)
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To: FreedomProtector

Is it the water of Hope,AR. ?


149 posted on 01/23/2008 8:37:12 PM PST by eyedigress
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To: FreedomProtector

Thanks.


150 posted on 01/23/2008 8:38:56 PM PST by spyone
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