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Final flight for famous 'Gimli Glider'
Financial Post via National Post ^ | 2008-01-24 | Scott Deveau

Posted on 01/24/2008 8:10:35 AM PST by Clive

Air Canada employees will gather today in Montreal to bid farewell to the infamous Gimli Glider as it embarks on its final journey to the Mojave desert.

It is a graceful end for the storied Boeing 767 that could easily have become the subject of one of the worst aviation disasters in Canadian history were it not for the cool composure of the pilot, Captain Robert Pearson, and his First Officer, Maurice Quintal, 25 years ago. Both will be at the send-off today.

The story of the Gimli Glider began on July 23, 1983, when maintenance crews for Air Canada Flight 143 discovered that a shoddy soldering job had knocked out the computer that calculates how much fuel is needed to get the plane from Montreal to Edmonton, with a brief stopover in Ottawa.

Instead of cancelling the flight, the ground crews decided to do the calculations manually -- triple checking their work to ensure its accuracy. As it turns out, none of the ground crew had ever been trained to do this, but when the aircraft arrived safely in Ottawa, they felt assured of their work.

It was not until a warning signal began beeping at 41,000 feet somewhere over Red Lake, Ont., that the flight crew realized their error -- they had used imperial measurements to calculate how much fuel was needed rather than metric.

The first warning signal indicating that fuel had run out on one engine was followed by a "sharp bong," indicating both engines were out of steam. Because the electrical system was run off the engines, the power was soon knocked out in the cockpit, save for the manual controls, and the plane began plunging at 2,000 feet per minute.

Capt. Pearson was a trained glider pilot and immediately had his first officer begin calculating for the optimum gliding speed for an 80-tonne jumbo jet. After determining they would not make it to Winnipeg, First Officer Quintal suggested taking the plane down at a nearby Air Force base in Gimli, Man., where he once served.

Unbeknownst to the first officer, however, was that one of the airstrips -- where the plane would eventually land -- had become a drag-racing strip. On that day, crowds of campers had collected along the runway to watch go-cart races.

The plane's nose gear eventually came to a stop just 100 feet from where the group had collected, after its front landing gear collapsed on landing.

What could have been a major disaster turned into a miraculous story. The so-called Gimli Glider, having sustained only minor damages, entered back into service just two days later and has continued to fly since. That is until today when it makes its final journey to the so-called "boneyards" of the Mojave desert.


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: aerospace; gimli; gimliglider
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1 posted on 01/24/2008 8:10:37 AM PST by Clive
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To: Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; Cannoneer No. 4; ...

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2 posted on 01/24/2008 8:11:04 AM PST by Clive
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To: Paleo Conservative

Ping


3 posted on 01/24/2008 8:13:11 AM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Checkmate Cruiser")
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To: Clive

4 posted on 01/24/2008 8:14:35 AM PST by grjr21
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To: Aeronaut

aeroping!


5 posted on 01/24/2008 8:14:40 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

That ship belongs in a museum ...


6 posted on 01/24/2008 8:16:05 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos; Paleo Conservative

I’ve always wanted a glider. Wonder what kind of vehicle you’d need to get it aloft?


7 posted on 01/24/2008 8:20:31 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: ArrogantBustard
It is rather impressive!
8 posted on 01/24/2008 8:20:51 AM PST by null and void (We're tired of being sucked up to once every 4 years and stabbed in the back the rest of the time.)
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To: null and void

The Smithsonaian Udvar-Hazy Center does not have a B767 in its collection ...


9 posted on 01/24/2008 8:22:33 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
That ship belongs in a museum ...

or maybe a museum belongs in that ship...

10 posted on 01/24/2008 8:23:07 AM PST by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on...)
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To: null and void

Just...WOW!


11 posted on 01/24/2008 8:23:27 AM PST by freepertoo
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To: Nailbiter

ping


12 posted on 01/24/2008 8:24:24 AM PST by IncPen (Elect Barack and it's an Obama-Nation !!)
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To: Larry Lucido
I’ve always wanted a glider. Wonder what kind of vehicle you’d need to get it aloft?

A really fast submarine.

13 posted on 01/24/2008 8:24:29 AM PST by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God is, and (2) God is good?)
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To: freepertoo

Those doggone Imperial gallons again...


14 posted on 01/24/2008 8:25:46 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: Clive

I vaguely remember that story. How much time did they have to get the car racers off the landing strip?
REally an amazing story


15 posted on 01/24/2008 8:26:51 AM PST by mel
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To: Clive
I remember reading the story in Readers Digest several years ago.
16 posted on 01/24/2008 8:27:37 AM PST by painter
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To: Clive

17 posted on 01/24/2008 8:27:42 AM PST by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: Clive

I see now it said 100 feet. these monitors are hard to read. especially with bad eyes.


18 posted on 01/24/2008 8:27:53 AM PST by mel
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To: Clive

“The plane’s nose gear eventually came to a stop just 100 feet from where the group had collected, after its front landing gear collapsed on landing.”

Reminds me of this classic: “Hwy 405: The Movie.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ-hG6vV16o


19 posted on 01/24/2008 8:27:57 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Clive
The Canucks seem to have those. What was the one incident where the crew misread a fuel leak in an A330 over the Atlantic, ran out of gas, and had to glide something like a 1000 miles to the Azores? Lucky for them they had the altitude to do it, plus a re-routing of their flight path south of the original line, which put the Azores in reach.
20 posted on 01/24/2008 8:29:31 AM PST by chimera
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To: Clive

My brother will probably be involved in dismantling this jet.


21 posted on 01/24/2008 8:30:37 AM PST by GoforBroke
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To: Clive

I had heard of this incident but it sounded like an urban legend. I’m glad to see it was a real story after all.


22 posted on 01/24/2008 8:38:52 AM PST by Kevmo (We need to get rid of the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. ~Duncan Hunter)
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To: ArrogantBustard; Larry Lucido

I think the pilots were given medals and fired on the same day.


23 posted on 01/24/2008 8:39:07 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
Story Here

Air Canada Aircraft #604 was repaired sufficiently to be flown out of Gimli two days later. After approximately $1M in repairs, consisting primarily of nose gear replacement, skin repairs and replacement of a wiring harness it re-entered the Air Canada fleet. To this day Aircraft #604 is known to insiders as "The Gimli Glider." The avoidance of disaster was credited to Capt. Pearson's "Knowledge of gliding which he applied in an emergency situation to the landing of one of the most sophisticated aircraft ever built." Captain Pearson strongly credits Quintal for his cockpit management of "Everything but the actual flight controls," including his recommendation of Gimli as an landing spot. Captains Pearson and Quintal spoke at the 1991 SSA Convention in Albuquerque about their experiences. Pearson was, at the time, still employed and flying for Air Canada, and occasionally flying his Blanik L-13 sailplane on the weekends; he has since retired to raise horses. Maurice Quintal is now an A-320 Pilot for Air Canada,and will soon be captaining 767's; including Aircraft #604. Copyright 1997 WHN

24 posted on 01/24/2008 8:42:48 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Clive

Named after a Tolkein dwarf?


25 posted on 01/24/2008 8:44:29 AM PST by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Clive
It was not until a warning signal began beeping at 41,000 feet somewhere over Red Lake, Ont., that the flight crew realized their error -- they had used imperial measurements to calculate how much fuel was needed rather than metric. The first warning signal indicating that fuel had run out on one engine was followed by a "sharp bong," indicating both engines were out of steam.

Don't they have fuel gauges?!

26 posted on 01/24/2008 8:45:26 AM PST by Sloth (I feel real bad for deaf people, cause they have no way of knowing when microwave popcorn is done.)
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To: grjr21

Amazing.

I’m far from a landlubber Yank but I’d never heard of this incident.

If I were the pilot I would flinch every time I heard a sound similar to that warning!


27 posted on 01/24/2008 8:46:49 AM PST by relictele
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To: Travis McGee
Wikipedia (hah, hah) has the following.

It has been reported that, following Air Canada's internal investigation, Captain Pearson was demoted for six months, and First Officer Quintal was suspended for two weeks. Three maintenance workers were also suspended.[9] However, both pilots continued to work for Air Canada, and in 1985 were awarded the first ever Fédération Aéronautique Internationale Diploma for Outstanding Airmanship.[10]

And here's the "final flight":


28 posted on 01/24/2008 8:46:51 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Clive

There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but damned few old, bold pilots.
Anon.


29 posted on 01/24/2008 8:53:56 AM PST by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: Clive
It was not until a warning signal began beeping at 41,000 feet somewhere over Red Lake, Ont., that the flight crew realized their error ...

Sooooo.....

Does this mean they didn't have the kind of simple fuel gauge that any Cessna would have?


30 posted on 01/24/2008 8:54:00 AM PST by Dr._Joseph_Warren
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To: icwhatudo

Excellent!


31 posted on 01/24/2008 8:56:27 AM PST by bmwcyle (McCain Sucks!)
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To: relictele

Learned “unit cancellation” at an early age. Would have prevented this problem. Guess they stopped teaching it.


32 posted on 01/24/2008 8:58:54 AM PST by catman67
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To: chimera

“Air Transat Flight 236”


33 posted on 01/24/2008 9:08:53 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: Dr._Joseph_Warren
Does this mean they didn't have the kind of simple fuel gauge that any Cessna would have?

IIRC (and its a convoluted story), there was a redundant fuel management system that was disabled by a series of maintenance errors.

The plane was so new that there were no set procedures to deal with this, and it had become common practice to defer to the opinion of the maintenance staff.

They were probably right that using the "dipstick" method to calculate the fuel load (which was then fed into the fuel management computer to override the lack of real-time inputs) would work, but since they calculated the fuel load wrong (both initially, and again at a layover) it became a disasterous decision. This was the first plane in the fleet to use the metric system.

Google Gimli Glider and there are a few decent accounts on the web. Could have ended very badly for everyone on board.
34 posted on 01/24/2008 9:11:59 AM PST by chrisser (I thought Ron Paul was a kook, until I actually read his position papers. Now I'm not so sure.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Don’t they put fuel gauges in these things?I mean really-so what if they didn’t put enough fuel in the tanks,wouldn’t the flight engineer get a clue long before the plane ran dry?


35 posted on 01/24/2008 9:14:32 AM PST by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: catman67

“unit cancellation”

We called it “Dimensional Analysis”, but if you don’t know the difference between metric and imperial tons, it won’t help you.


36 posted on 01/24/2008 9:15:27 AM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: Clive

I remember flipping through the book about this.

A number of people were seriously hurt because the crew was so panicked on landing that they were shoving people out the after slides, which, as you can see from the photo, pointed straight down due to the nose wheel’s having collapsed.


37 posted on 01/24/2008 9:23:45 AM PST by sinanju
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To: Clive

Boy, I remember this incident. Everything that can go wrong went wrong and the plane became the world’s largest and heaviest glider. Instead of acknowledging the pilot and crew as heroes, Air Canada decided to suspend them and claim “pilot error” or “human error” or other such nonsense. It wasn’t until much later that they were cleared and recognized for the heroes they were.

Glad to see the old bird is still around but sad she has to spend the rest of her days in the Boneyard. She should be in a museum but she’s too darn big.


38 posted on 01/24/2008 9:25:34 AM PST by Edward Watson (Fanatics with guns beat liberals with ideas)
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To: Clive

I remember this incident; it was the few times I have ever seen the entire press corps at a news conference give anyone a standing ovation. Here’s the tie in to today: The only other time I saw such adulation from the press corps was George Romney’s final press conference as governor of Michigan.


39 posted on 01/24/2008 9:29:14 AM PST by Ace's Dad ("but every now and then, the Dragon comes to call")
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To: Clive

The plane will probably stay in the desert until they can find another buyer, probably for operation in a third world country or possibly for conversion to a freighter.


40 posted on 01/24/2008 9:33:48 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: icwhatudo
LOL!

Just don't tell the elf.

41 posted on 01/24/2008 9:39:42 AM PST by Stonewall Jackson (The Hunt for FRed November. 11/04/08)
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To: Clive
Three Cheers for Captain Robert Pearson and First Officer Maurice Quintal!!
Ya Done Good Guys!

What a story.

42 posted on 01/24/2008 9:45:57 AM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: ArrogantBustard

Hey, he flew right over my house!


43 posted on 01/24/2008 9:48:13 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: Clive

Forgive my engineering ignorance but would the same kind of maneuver be equally possible in one of the new entirely fly-by-wire planes where the pilot’s controls are not connected by hydraulics to the engines and flaps and so forth? Same question with respect to the recent BA crash landing?


44 posted on 01/24/2008 9:54:46 AM PST by Stingray51
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To: Clive
...the flight crew realized their error -- they had used imperial measurements to calculate how much fuel was needed rather than metric.

Sounds like NASA contractors. What was the one Mars orbiter mission they blew calculating in miles rather than km (or vice versa)?

45 posted on 01/24/2008 9:57:26 AM PST by chimera
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To: Clive
From another article

“It’s unclear how long the jet will stay in the California desert. Aircraft maker Boeing Co., Mount Royal College in Calgary, engine maker Pratt & Whitney and the Canada Aviation Museum in Ottawa have expressed interest in acquiring the Gimli Glider, Mr. Pearson said."

So she may still end up in a museum.

46 posted on 01/24/2008 10:09:35 AM PST by Pylon (Remember boys, flies spread disease, so keep yours closed.)
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To: Travis McGee

I recall this happening, but what amazes me more is that they are already bone-yarding 767’s...

I know there are older airframes out there still doing certified commercial work in both pax and cargo on a regular schedule, and theyse 767’s are way less than half their age...

Makes you wonder about the durability of these newer designs...


47 posted on 01/24/2008 10:12:25 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: stevie_d_64

Good point. I guess it involves a lot of complicated engineering, accounting and tax questions.


48 posted on 01/24/2008 10:14:04 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Sloth

The article garbled the story. The computer was fine but the fuel gauges were not functioning, so they manually entered the fuel load into the computer. Because the fuel load was miscalculated, the computer assumed that there was enough fuel for the flight. The fuel gauges were not on the MEL because there is a “critical fuel” warning device on a separate system that was still functioning, and the regs only require fuel indicators to be accurate at “E”.


49 posted on 01/24/2008 10:40:43 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: catman67
A litre of jet fuel weighs 0.803 kg, so the correct calculation was:

7682 litres x 0.803 = 6169 kg
22300 kg – 6169 kg = 16131 kg
16131 kg ÷ 0.803 = 20163 litres

Between the ground crew and flight crew, however, they arrived at an incorrect conversion factor of 1.77, the weight of a litre of fuel in pounds. This was the conversion factor provided on the refueller’s paperwork and which had always been used for the rest of the airline’s imperial calibrated fleet. Their calculation produced:

7682 litres x 1.77 = 13597 ‘kg’
22300 kg – 13597 ‘kg’ = 8703 kg
8703 kg ÷ 1.77 = 4916 litres

Instead of 22,300 kg of fuel, they had 22,300 pounds on board — only a little over 10,000 kg, or less than half the amount required to reach their destination. Knowing the problems with the FQIS, the Captain double-checked their calculations but was given the same incorrect conversion factor. All he did was check their arithmetic, inevitably coming up with the same figures.

50 posted on 01/24/2008 10:40:54 AM PST by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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