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Mitt Romney: The Real Truth
Evangelicals for Mitt ^ | 11 January 2007 | David French

Posted on 01/25/2008 1:52:39 PM PST by Spiff

Mitt Romney: The Real Truth

David French

No American governor has faced more critical cultural issues than Mitt Romney, Massachusetts’ chief executive from 2003 to 2007. In the midst of Governor Romney’s efforts to rescue his state from a fiscal crisis and create lasting and innovative health care solutions, activist judges and a far-left legislature forced issues of same-sex “marriage,” abortion, religious liberty, stem cell research, and gay rights into the forefront. Each time he was challenged, the Governor not only made the conservative choice, but also did so with an optimistic, unifying message. In doing so, he became a national leader on these vital cultural issues without squandering his ability to govern the Commonwealth.

In four years, Governor Romney turned a deficit into a surplus without raising taxes, created a health coverage plan that is applauded by experts on both sides of the aisle and is designed to reduce costs while preserving personal choices, and effectively responded to the deadly collapse of one of the most expensive construction projects in American history. He did all these things in one of America’s most liberal states at the same time that he vetoed expansive stem cell legislation, vetoed the expansion of abortion rights in Massachusetts, defended the religious liberties of Catholic Charities from an assault by homosexual activists, and launched a multi-year (and multi-state) campaign to preserve traditional marriage after Massachusetts’ Supreme Judicial Court’s decision to legalize same-sex marriage.

In spite of this impressive conservative record, a group called “MassResistance” has been circulating a lengthy document called “The Mitt Romney Deception.” Combining old statements, half-truths, and some completely misreported stories, the document has gained some traction in the conservative community, with anti-Romney activists forwarding the document dozens of times (apparently without any independent verification of its facts). In much the way as urban legends gain traction through repeated e-mail “forwards,” the seriously-flawed MassResistance piece has led a few individuals to question the Governor’s commitment to conservative principles. MassResistance’s document, however, suffers from at least five fundamental errors. These errors are:

1. MassResistance fails to account for the Governor’s very real move to the prolife side of the abortion debate;

2. MassResistance indulges in an illogical reading of the Goodridge v. Department of Public Health same-sex marriage decision and thereby completely mischaracterizes the Governor’s response to the Massachusetts same-sex marriage crisis;

3. MassResistance fails to account for the Governor’s very real defense of religious liberty over the entitlement mentality of homosexual activists;

4. MassResistance falsely claims Governor Romney excluded the Boy Scouts from volunteering during the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics; and

5. MassResistance indulges in leftist-style identity politics by urging that Governor Romney (or any other Republican) participate in a search-and-destroy operation against any government-employed homosexuals.

The centerpiece of the MassResistance presentation is a series of quotes—taken primarily from Governor Romney’s 1994 Senate campaign against Ted Kennedy—and then the implication that these quotes (regarding abortion and “gay rights”) are indicative of his current political positions and his actions in office. Nothing could be further from the truth. A lot has happened since 1994, and as a result, the Governor has become firmly pro-life, opposes adding sexual orientation to federal employment nondiscrimination laws, and has been one of the nation’s foremost advocates for traditional marriage. To consider just a few events that led the Governor to change his mind: Nondiscrimination laws have been used to dramatically restrict fundamental First Amendment freedoms—including the ability of Christian student groups to meet on campus and religious adoption agencies to place disabled children with appropriate families; an activist state supreme court unilaterally redefined marriage; and the growth of embryonic stem cell research has led to the commodification of human life. Faced with these realities, the Governor has consistently made the right choices. MassResistance ignores these choices.

The following represents the real truth about Mitt Romney.

ABORTION

Mitt Romney is pro-life, and his actions in office were consistently pro-life. MassResistance is correct when it notes that Governor Romney made many statements in 1994 that were supportive of abortion rights, but the Governor, by his own admission, was wrong when he made those comments. In the December 14, 2006, edition of National Review Online, Governor Romney said the following to NRO editor Kathryn Jean Lopez:

I believe people will see that as governor, when I had to examine and grapple with this difficult issue, I came down on the side of life. I know in the four years I have served as governor I have learned and grown from the exposure to the thousands of good-hearted people who are working to change the culture in our country. I’m committed to promoting the culture of life. Like Ronald Reagan, and Henry Hyde, and others who became pro-life, I had this issue wrong in the past.

The Governor is correct that his actual record as governor is solidly pro-life. Governor Romney vetoed a bill that would have provided access to the so-called “morning after pill,” a “medication” that terminates living children after their conception. Moreover, the Governor vetoed expansive stem cell legislation—legislation that provided for the creation and destruction of human embryos at the whim of a researcher. In fact, it was this very debate that led to the Governor’s conversion on the life issue. As he told NRO’s Lopez:

My position has changed and I have acknowledged that. How that came about is that several years ago, in the course of the stem-cell-research debate I met with a pair of experts from Harvard. At one point the experts pointed out that embryonic-stem-cell research should not be a moral issue because the embryos were destroyed at 14 days. After the meeting I looked over at Beth Myers, my chief of staff, and we both had exactly the same reaction—it just hit us hard just how much the sanctity of life had been cheapened by virtue of the Roe v. Wade mentality.

As advocates for life, social conservatives should welcome changes like this, and we must recognize that some of the best advocates for life can be those—like Ronald Reagan and Henry Hyde—who were wrong in the past. MassResistance does its readers no service by placing more emphasis on quotes more than a decade old than it does on the Governor’s actual record in office.

SAME-SEX “MARRIAGE”

From the moment the activist judges in the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court handed down their breathtakingly arrogant decision in Goodridge v. Department of Public Health, the Governor took strong and consistent actions to defend marriage. He also took decisive action to make sure his state would not grant marriage licenses to outof- state couples, thereby guaranteeing that Massachusetts would not become the “Las Vegas of gay marriage” (as he called it) and trigger a constitutional crisis as couples returned to their home states with Massachusetts licenses. He also initiated and led an effort to amend the Massachusetts constitution by referendum and has gone so far as to file suit against the Commonwealth’s own legislature after it took action to prevent the people of Massachusetts from voting on that amendment—a suit that resulted in the legislature complying with its constitutional responsibilities and sending the marriage amendment on to the next stage of the ratification process.

Critically, he has become a leading national advocate for marriage, with his optimistic and uplifting message dominating the public debate. Rather than casting the debate as one over adult rights, the Governor has made the best possible case for marriage, noting what we all should know but too often forget (at great cultural cost): Marriage does not exist for the convenience and enjoyment of adults, but as the best possible way of raising and nurturing children. The credible defenders of marriage in Massachusetts all agree, and through their own statement they have recently and emphatically made their feelings clear: Mitt Romney has been an invaluable supporter and advocate.

Yet despite this record, MassResistance claims that Mitt Romney actually enabled gay marriage by not defying the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts—in other words, by not breaking the law. In a truly baffling bit of legal reasoning, MassResistance argues that the court ruling “simply advised the Legislature to pass legislation codifying its opinion on changing the marriage statutes” and that Governor Romney was therefore “not bound to enforce same-sex marriage prior to legislative action.”

This is simply an incorrect reading of the decision. Here is what the Supreme Judicial Court actually said: “We construe civil marriage to mean the voluntary union of two persons as spouses, to the exclusion of all others.” In other words, the court itself changed the definition of marriage. The reference to legislative action in the opinion merely gave the legislature a chance to amend the law to state what the court already said it meant. This was not advising the legislature; it was changing the law. Any governor who defied this decision risked contempt of court. Rather than becoming what the media would undoubtedly call the “George Wallace of gay marriage” by standing in the courthouse door and barring couples from receiving marriage licenses, the Governor chose legal means to resist the court’s decision.

And his decision was correct. It is now clear that the Goodridge decision represented not the beginning of the end of traditional marriage but what may well be the high-water mark of the same-sex marriage movement. Since that decision, homosexual marriage activists have been on the defensive virtually everywhere, losing referenda and losing court decisions. Had Governor Romney not offered a principled and effective defense of marriage, the outcome may very well have been quite different.

“GAY RIGHTS”

The Governor believes all people should be treated equally in the eyes of the law, but that no additional legal protections for sexual orientation should be added. Since his race against Ted Kennedy in 1994, sexual orientation nondiscrimination laws have become commonplace across the country, and it is easy to see and understand their effects. Since 1994, these laws have been used as pretexts for ejecting Christian student groups from college campuses, for closing religious-based adoptive services, for silencing people of faith as they seek to debate issues of sexual morality, and for transforming marriage laws (see the New Jersey Supreme Court’s recent decision). The Governor stated his position well on NRO:

Lopez: And what about the 1994 letter to the Log Cabin Republicans where you indicated you would support the Federal Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) and seemed open to changing the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy in the military? Are those your positions today?

Gov. Romney: No. I don’t see the need for new or special legislation. My experience over the past several years as governor has convinced me that ENDA would be an overly broad law that would open a litigation floodgate and unfairly penalize employers at the hands of activist judges.

As for military policy and the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, I trust the counsel of those in uniform who have set these policies over a dozen years ago. I agree with President Bush’s decision to maintain this policy and I would do the same.

The Governor’s words are supported by solid and convincing actions. In 2006, he strongly defended the right of Catholic Charities to refuse to place adoptive children in homes with homosexual couples. In taking this stand, he opposed virtually the entire Massachusetts political establishment, but he was defending the fundamental freedom of people of faith to live out their values. Once again, Governor Romney made the right choice.

THE BOY SCOUTS

The Governor has long been a strong supporter of the Boy Scouts, even sitting on its national board of directors. He has never taken any action to limit their activities. Any statement to the contrary is false. Particularly hurtful has been MassResistance’s claim that Governor Romney prevented the Boy Scouts from serving in the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics because of their stand on homosexual scoutmasters. Leading conservative attorney Jay Sekulow has thoroughly and completely debunked this claim: Brian Camenker’s [of MassResistance] claim…that “Romney Barred Boy Scouts from public participation in the 2002 Olympics” is entirely false. There are several articles that directly contradict Camenker’s conclusion. NewsMax.com, Camenker’s source, did not even claim that Romney made the decision to bar the Scouts. In fact, Romney, at least at that time, sat on the Boy Scout’s executive board. The Boy Scouts said that the NewsMax article was false. Even NewsMax admitted that the Olympic Committee said that there was an age restriction of 18 years old and up to be a volunteer. There are also inconsistencies in the two NewsMax articles, only one of which is cited by Camenker.…Since no major media source ran anything about this story, and the local media directly contradicted it, it appears that Camenker’s claim is false.

LEFTIST IDENTITY POLITICS

Mitt Romney does not play the game of leftist identity politics—which means he hires people on the basis of their abilities and qualifications, not on the basis of their identity.

As a result, he has hired some well-qualified homosexual individuals to several positions in his administration. These people were hired because they were good at their jobs (and in the case of judges, tough on crime and faithful to the law as written), not because they identify as “gay.” It is the left that all too often hires and fires, includes and excludes on the basis of identity (for example, witness the profound disadvantages faced by whites and Asians in the college admissions process created by misguided racial quotas). Conservatives believe in hiring and firing on the basis of ability and qualifications.

MassResistance would lead conservatives to believe they should adopt leftist goals and tactics by excluding any self-described gay person from government—on the basis of self-described identity alone. Such a “search and destroy” effort is not only absurd and impractical, it is also immoral—and unsupported by any leading national conservative. Ironically, it is the very tactic of excluding on the basis of sexual orientation that would make the outcry for including sexual orientation in federal nondiscrimination laws irresistible.

Finally, MassResistance spends pages describing in lurid details the actions of low-level bureaucrats within the Romney administration (for example, citing support for certain “gay pride” parades and events by state education officials). Yet MassResistance fails to explain how the Governor condoned or even knew about these efforts. While a chief executive is responsible for the actions of its administration, in the real world, the chief executive of any state (much less a state with an entrenched liberal bureaucracy like Massachusetts) cannot and should not waste his time, effort, and limited political capital cleansing the expression and actions of minor state officials. Changes in bureaucracies occur only after time and only with legislative cooperation—two instruments the Governor did not have.

CONCLUSION

MassResistance would have conservatives believe that Mitt Romney’s words from twelve years ago are more relevant than his actions as Governor of Massachusetts. For the first time in many years, conservatives have a presidential candidate who not only shares their core political and moral values but can also communicate those values in a persuasive, compelling, and—yes—unifying way. We should not permit distortions, leftist-style scare tactics, and identity politics to obscure the truth about Mitt Romney—a man of principle who is and will be the best conservative standard-bearer in 2008.

David French is a co-founder of Evangelicals for Mitt (www.evangelicalsformitt.org), an independent website dedicated to spreading awareness about Governor Mitt Romney among Christian conservatives. David holds a J.D. from Harvard Law School and is a leading constitutional attorney. He lives outside Nashville with his family and worships at Zion Presbyterian Church, a congregation of the Presbyterian Church in America. E-mail: david@evangelicalsformitt.org




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1 posted on 01/25/2008 1:52:41 PM PST by Spiff
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To: Abbeville Conservative; ajay_kumar; americanophile; Austin1; bethtopaz; BlueAngel; ...

• Send FReep Mail to Unmarked Package to get [ON] or [OFF] the Mitt Romney Ping List


2 posted on 01/25/2008 1:53:05 PM PST by Spiff
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To: Spiff

The only “real choice” so far.


3 posted on 01/25/2008 1:53:41 PM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Spiff

Distortions.


5 posted on 01/25/2008 1:56:11 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: squireofgothos
Why do you feel compelled to go there? Can’t you post something worthwhile?
6 posted on 01/25/2008 1:58:00 PM PST by GOP_Lady (I'm a MITTen!)
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To: Spiff
I am book marking this thread for later as I do not have the time to read it all carefully right now.

After a cursory look at it though, it appears to me to be accurate.

7 posted on 01/25/2008 1:58:06 PM PST by Radix (If your outgo exceeds your income, your upkeep will be your downfall.)
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To: Spiff

I admit, when I saw the words “Romney” and “truth” in the
same headline, you made me look...

Then I realized it was just another puff piece article to
try to insulate Mitt from Truth.

Has he actually had a Truth Inoculation? It doesn’t seem
to stick to him anymore...


8 posted on 01/25/2008 1:58:43 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Spiff
As advocates for life, social conservatives should welcome changes like this, and we must recognize that some of the best advocates for life can be those—like Ronald Reagan and Henry Hyde—who were wrong in the past.

AMEN!

Changing the hearts and minds is much more effective than changing the law, and we should eagerly embrace those who "see the light!"

9 posted on 01/25/2008 1:59:50 PM PST by jan in Colorado ("It's easier to believe a lie one hears 1,000 times than to believe a fact that one has never heard)
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To: Spiff

This belongs in the Romney “Truthfiles”. LOL


10 posted on 01/25/2008 2:00:09 PM PST by Romneyfor President2008 (I'm a Mitt Man who loves the Mittens!)
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To: Spiff

Amazing how Romney’s record has been distorted by the left and on the right by his political enemies. He will still win, in my opinion, as the truth overwhelms the lies.


11 posted on 01/25/2008 2:01:35 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Don Corleone
“The only “real choice” so far.”

True ...

Or you could vote for the phony Christian - Huckabee.
He preaches humanism and finances it by socialism. He’s NO Christian but those itching ears want to believe that when he sprinkles Scripture in his speeches.

I see more Christian principles in Mitt, that Mike. It’s sad ... Mormonism isn’t Christian but those claiming to be “Christian” don’t reflect it in their policies at all. Leave it to a ?Mormon” to show more Biblical principles in his politics than the others - go figure!

Maybe this will stop some of the “Evangelicals” from incessantly LYING about Mitt and his record. Or maybe they’re just imitating, their liar in chief - Mike. Mike lies like a rug. He is such an embarrassment to Christianity.

12 posted on 01/25/2008 2:03:07 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: squireofgothos
It’s ridiculous replies like your that continue to embarrass the GOP and Evangelical community. It’s so childish ... Time to GROW UP!

Mitt doesn’t wear “magical undies”.

14 posted on 01/25/2008 2:05:04 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: Spiff
Very succinct article. I’m sure there will be those who will come on this thread & tell us how French was bought off, or how he’s sold his soul. A shame really. This article should really put into perspective the angle that these anti-Mitt’s are coming from & from whence their info by in large comes from.

Mitt is a conservative. Period. He may not have always been the conservative that he is now, but then again, Reagan wasn’t always the conservative he ended up being either. Will Mitt follow through w/ what he says he’s going to do? Whether you like his past or not, one thing is very consistent, he follows through w/ what he says he’s going to do. If he does, we’ll have a fine conservative in the White House & someone that espouses our beliefs as a whole.

Really, if he follows through, does anything else matter?

15 posted on 01/25/2008 2:06:55 PM PST by Reno232
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To: GOP_Lady
Maybe he needs to go read Captain Underpants. Many young boys like THAT book. We don’t allow it in our house but hey, maybe this would help him work out his underwear fetish. Sick, sick, sick ... .
16 posted on 01/25/2008 2:09:40 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: GOP_Lady

Catholics believe that wine actually turns into the blood of Jesus during communion.
Lutherans believe in infant baptism.
Baptists believe in immersion baptism.
Holiness Churches believe in Sanctification after which humans don’t sin.
Pentecostals believe in speaking in tongues.

Every group has its irrational beliefs. It’s called faith.

Leave it for a religion thread not a political one. If a man’s fait leads him to conduct a clean, moral life that’s good enough for consideration as a political leader.


17 posted on 01/25/2008 2:10:25 PM PST by DWar (The perfect is the enemy of the excellent!!)
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To: DWar
Leave it for a religion thread not a political one. If a man’s fait leads him to conduct a clean, moral life that’s good enough for consideration as a political leader.

Thank you.

18 posted on 01/25/2008 2:11:25 PM PST by Spiff
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To: nmh

Well Said!


19 posted on 01/25/2008 2:12:29 PM PST by DWar (The perfect is the enemy of the excellent!!)
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To: Romneyfor President2008

Moms for Mitt


20 posted on 01/25/2008 2:13:22 PM PST by JFC (I am now a MITTEN)
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To: Spiff

What a load of spin.

Lie after lie after lie........


21 posted on 01/25/2008 2:13:24 PM PST by JRochelle (John Thune in 2012.)
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To: GOP_Lady; squireofgothos

I think it’s a worthwhile post. Most people find that an interesting tidbit about the candidate, and they also find it extremely odd.


22 posted on 01/25/2008 2:14:12 PM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
Distortions Indeed.

This would also come as news to most Christians. We must have missed the “Yes h311 has frozen over” memo.

More likely most are praying about now, for the future of our country, no matter who gets elected. Romney is not even on our radar, in my family.

23 posted on 01/25/2008 2:14:14 PM PST by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican! GoHunter.08)
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To: Reno232
Yeah, Reagan was a Demoncrat and then changed into a Republican, a conservative. For some reason that’s okay. Go figure!
25 posted on 01/25/2008 2:15:16 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: jan in Colorado

The new Florida poll shows that Romney has the highest support (30%) of any Republican candidate among Pro-Life voters. Huck was second at 15%.


26 posted on 01/25/2008 2:16:14 PM PST by icwhatudo (Romney...because...well.....Hunter and Fred dropped out and a third party means clinton wins.)
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To: Spiff; nmh

Myself, like a lot of Americans am simply amazed that the candidates we have before us are all we’re going to get. This is it? You must be joking... I keep waiting for the real guy to run out from behind the curtains. He is there, isn’t he? Behind the curtains? Hello?

Mitt has a lot going for him. He’s not muslim, and he hasn’t killed anyone lately. I like my candidates to be “not visibly insane”, so as far as I know, he hits that mark. Good for him. No really, there is someone else, isn’t there? Fred is coming back isn’t he? He’s beat the cancer and now he’s going to run for real right? We must be patient... Fred will be back...


27 posted on 01/25/2008 2:18:47 PM PST by squireofgothos
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To: Spiff
I thought MassResistance was outed a long time ago as related to another candidate.. I’ll have to go back and check..
28 posted on 01/25/2008 2:21:40 PM PST by mnehrling
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I admit, when I saw the words “Romney” and “truth” in the
same headline, you made me look...

Then I realized it was just another puff piece article to
try to insulate Mitt from Truth.

Has he actually had a Truth Inoculation? It doesn’t seem
to stick to him anymore...
_____________________________________________________

What do you mean ??????


29 posted on 01/25/2008 2:24:03 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Spiff

Finally, a comprehensive and sensible response to the Romney haters on FR .... although I doubt any of them will bother to read it.

Thanks for the post.


30 posted on 01/25/2008 2:24:06 PM PST by Edit35
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To: DWar
And Hindu’s believe in reincarnation.
It is just a matter of faith.

Every religion has beliefs which can not be corroborated.
That is why it is called “faith”.

31 posted on 01/25/2008 2:24:59 PM PST by ajay_kumar (United we win, divided democrats win. How difficult is that to understand?)
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To: Secret Agent Man
“Okay, here is the scoop:

If Mitt is a devout Mormon, he does wear only Mormon underwear with the various symbols stitched into it.

Those symbols do mean spiritual things to Mormons.

Many Mormons do believe that Mormon underwear gives them a certain kind of real protection, physical and/or spiritual protection. Whether Mitt does or not is not clear.

Putting your faith in ANY relic or icon to give you supernatural protection no matter what you are doing is testing the Lord, something we are warned against doing. For some they start believing the protection is in the relic/icon, and forget it really is God who always protects us.

I don’t think Mitt would turn down a bulletproof vest because he’s got Mormon underwear because he thinks “he’s covered’ because he has Mormon underwear on.”

Let me make it PERFECTLY CLEAR:

I don’t want to discuss YOUR underwear or anyone else’s underwear.

Got it?

GROW UP!

Stop being an embarrassment. You sound like a LIBERAL. No one is putting their "faith" in their underwear. Their underwear is NOT "magical" - only an idiot would believe THAT. Any IDIOT would also repeat that trash.

32 posted on 01/25/2008 2:25:54 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: squireofgothos
“No really, there is someone else, isn’t there? Fred is coming back isn’t he? He’s beat the cancer and now he’s going to run for real right? We must be patient... Fred will be back...”

Friend, Fred withdrew from the election.

Be careful ... stop whatever you are on ... you’re not making allot of sense ... call 911 before it’s too late ... .

33 posted on 01/25/2008 2:27:45 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: Don Corleone

Romney haters can start practicing so they will be prepared:

Say “President Clinton”.

Say “President McCain”.


34 posted on 01/25/2008 2:28:06 PM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: Spiff

I agree, if people want to bring religion into the political arena, they should also ask the Democrats about it.

These religious threads should be moved to the religion area.

The only person that has sought to use religion, based on his idea, is Huckabee, I can say that because I am a Christian , and thank the Mormons who have voted for Christians in the past, even though the nominee was not a Morman.


35 posted on 01/25/2008 2:28:14 PM PST by indylindy (Don't even ask me to vote for McCain, Rudy, or Huckster.)
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To: icwhatudo
I hope that is accurate. A poll I saw on Fox this morning showed McCain and Romney in a tie.

In the last set of questions last night in the debate,it was interesting to see how Romney was baited, disrespected and hammered,as was Rudy, yet Huckabee got a softball religious question and McCain wasn't asked about amnesty,silencing free speech, the gang of 14 etc.

Oh, news flash...The New York times has endorsed McCain so I guess it's been decided!

36 posted on 01/25/2008 2:28:18 PM PST by jan in Colorado ("It's easier to believe a lie one hears 1,000 times than to believe a fact that one has never heard)
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To: nmh

maybe this would help him work out his underwear fetish. Sick, sick, sick ... .


I understand that many married people wear a magic golden ring on their finger. Sick, sick, sick...


37 posted on 01/25/2008 2:28:55 PM PST by broncobilly
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To: EarthBound

O rly?

Seems Mitt has some life to him after all. I still think since Thompson and Hunter dropped, our best bet is Mitt/Huck ticket. Maybe Mitt/Newt.

Sure makes it easier when we only have as many running candidates as the dems do.

If it comes down to a battle of principles, I’m thinking we’re looking at Mitt vs Obama for our final matchup.

Mitt seems to have something. I’m hoping. I’d hate to be rooting for McCain/Rudy in two weeks.

Obama just strikes me as the most “in tune” democrat. He’s got very little experience to renig on, and has been polar in all politics to conservatism. He may be wrong, but he doesn’t change much.


38 posted on 01/25/2008 2:29:26 PM PST by MacDorcha (Do you feel that you can place full trust in your obsevations of the physical world?)
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To: mnehrling

Same-Sex Marriage Advocates are NOT on the decline. They have moved on to getting the Gay Agenda into the schools. If it were not for MassResistance no one would know about the BAGLY Prom at City Hall where Gay teens as young as 14 and “their allies” (these are adult Gay men in Drag) dance the night away behind the closed doors of Boston City Hall. No cops, no Press and absolutely no parents are allowed inside.


39 posted on 01/25/2008 2:29:56 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: nmh
There are some here that hate Romney because of his religion. But I firmly believe that there are some here that pose as conservatives but are actually plants from the other side just so they can stir the pot & sew the seeds of contention & discord.

They’re pretty easy to spot really. I normally ignore them as not worth my time. They’re not here for reasoned discussion but rather to disrupt. Nothing will change their minds b/c their thoughts & principles really weren’t conservative in the first place.

40 posted on 01/25/2008 2:30:20 PM PST by Reno232
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To: nmh
(Huckabee) is such an embarrassment to Christianity.

As an avid Romney supporter, my take on Mike Huckabee is much different.

I believe him to be absolutely sincere in his Christian faith, and I believe him to be an upstanding person.

In my mind, however, Huckabee is running for President in order to PROMOTE his Christian faith.... and the idea of improving America is an afterthought.

People like George W. Bush ran for office in order to improve and protect America ... yet remain very proud and respectful of their Christian faith.

There is a BIG difference between the two.

"Bible-thumping" Christians like myself are scared that Huckabee would create a Theocracy in the White House, which would antagonize secular Republicans, Democrats, and most of the free world.

There is a reason the founders put the Establishment Clause in the US Constitution... and Huckabee has already violated that clause in spirit several times already --

And he's not even President, and hopefully never will be.

41 posted on 01/25/2008 2:31:15 PM PST by Edit35
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To: Spiff

Given the clear record, it’s a shame that we have to waste any time on debunking this stuff again and again.

Conservatives aren’t going to be elected to dogcatcher if we continue the habit of eating our own.


42 posted on 01/25/2008 2:32:48 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: nmh

I’m quite aware that Fred is out. And that is a real shame, because he seemed to be the most conservative of the bunch. Let’s go over my list shall we? We are left with—

Hillary— an evil communist who reminds me of Cruella DeVille from 101 Dalmations

Obama- A fascist black Muslim

McCain- An open-borders fellow with a lisp —He is “an odd man”

And Romney- anyone who knows ANYTHING about him, please get back to me. And he’s a Mormon, and now we’re supposed to love Mormonism. Hey isn’t that peachy! Let’s make him President.

And don’t worry about my previous post— it’s been deleted by the Mods, so it doesn’t have to offend you anymore! That bad old comment can’t scare you anymore! It’s gone! Thank goodness. Imagine what kind of world we’d have if people could speak their minds. I shudder to think. You’re okay now!


43 posted on 01/25/2008 2:33:49 PM PST by squireofgothos
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To: Spiff

He’s the only chance we have left.


44 posted on 01/25/2008 2:33:52 PM PST by fweingart (Give Hillary a chance. (She'll change your life.))
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To: nmh

First, you better read posts better. I never said their underwear was “magical.”

Second, whether you want to believe it or not, there are many Mormons who believe the underwear gives them protection. I have seen interviews with ex-members who believed that, and current members who feel that way. You can put your head in the sand and believe what you want.

Third, I did not level criticism of Mitt for wearing them or say he believes he’s protected by them.

Try some decaf.


45 posted on 01/25/2008 2:35:01 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Great point!


46 posted on 01/25/2008 2:35:39 PM PST by Reno232
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To: Spiff

Saving this for reference —


47 posted on 01/25/2008 2:39:14 PM PST by EverOnward
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To: Secret Agent Man
Putting your faith in ANY relic or icon to give you supernatural protection no matter what you are doing is testing the Lord...

Let's hear your diatribe against Catholics for their Rosary Beads, for having a statue of St. Mary on their dashboard to protect them from accidents.

Let's hear about Roman Catholic prayers to long-dead Saints who the Vatican says will help them ... find lost items.

How bout some hoo-rahs for those who must eat fish on Friday, because... well, I don't know why.

And how bout those virgin Priests taking confessions... where is that in the Bible?

And lest anyone think me crude (it wouldn't be the first time), I should state that I dearly LOVE MY CATHOLIC Brothers and Sisters in Christ.

They are salvation Christians better than or equal to any other denomination.

Heck, I married a Catholic and raised my kids as Catholics.

But let's get real here.

All religions do things which aren't found in the King James Version of the Holy Scriptures.

Even my own childhood raise denomination of Baptist, strict Baptist.

Mitt Romney is an upstanding moral man who should be judged on the content of his character, not the color of his Church.

48 posted on 01/25/2008 2:40:59 PM PST by Edit35
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To: Spiff

I’ll proudly hold my nose and vote for Mitt for President of the United States after we slap down Mr. MeCain from the Republican nomination and the “Maverick”, who in one last finger to Conservatives and Rush Limbaugh, formally joins the Democrat party as the Vice President selection of the Democrat challenger.


49 posted on 01/25/2008 2:45:32 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: MacDorcha
Mitt/Huck..

I like Mitt/Santorum .... even IF Rick didn't get re-elected in Pennsylvania.

Dozens of good and decent Republicans got the boot in 2006 --- because of the Foley demoralization....

because of the Iraq violence demoralization.....

Because (this was my pet peeve) President GWB screwed the Republican Party with his suicidal AMNESTY proposal .....

Anyway, Santorum would be great ... and perhaps it would put Pennsylvania in the Republican camp.

50 posted on 01/25/2008 2:46:21 PM PST by Edit35
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