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Breaking Up Is Hard to Do ("Bush Destroyed the Republican Party" -- Drudge Headline)
WSJ.com ^ | Jan 25, 2008 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 01/26/2008 5:57:27 AM PST by fightinJAG

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To: saganite
Yeah ... it’s becoming Democrat light - afraid of standing up for what is right, being intimidated and NO BACKBONE to educate folks on what is right.
51 posted on 01/26/2008 6:23:21 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: Bushbacker1

Peggy Noonan is jealous. She used to write speeches for Reagan and has not been employed by W. And her writings are not that logical anymore. Peggy Noonan is a sour grapes Republican.


52 posted on 01/26/2008 6:23:27 AM PST by abclily
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To: Non-Sequitur

Country Club Blue Bloods are destroying it (in their effort of marginalizing the conservative base). That is why we are left with RINOs ... and a pretty bleak outlook for the house and governor races this year as well.

The party is in shambles ... in dire need of $$$ and volunteers for 2008 ... the Country Club Blue Blood will show what they are good at ... ensuring the Republicans become a minority party again.


53 posted on 01/26/2008 6:24:53 AM PST by bluebeak
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To: cake_crumb

You bring up some legitimately good things, but let’s be honest- those tax cuts were a joke, and Bush never framed them as WAY too small. He never pushed for anything deeper either, nor did he suggest we cut spending- quite the contrary.


54 posted on 01/26/2008 6:25:00 AM PST by ovrtaxt (No Rudy McRombee for me! I'm voting for Ron Paul. The GOP can curl up and die.)
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To: fightinJAG

The pro Illegal immmigrant pro al queda RINO Peggy Noonan supports McAniac and Huckaphony.


55 posted on 01/26/2008 6:25:31 AM PST by johna61
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To: Rush4U

There is enough blame to go around. Certainly Bush did everything possible to ruin the GOP...as did his father but look at what we have in the House and Senate...fill in the blanks!
Absolutely no leadership!


56 posted on 01/26/2008 6:25:44 AM PST by rrrod
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To: nmh

Both Noonan and Limbaugh are correct. Noonan: George W. Bush fractured the party. Limbaugh: The election of McCain or Huckabee will split the conservatives from the Republicans and put an end to the Reagan Revolution once for all.


57 posted on 01/26/2008 6:26:03 AM PST by Melchior
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To: Past Your Eyes
Wasn’t Rush that had the ass problem? The drug problem? The multiple divorces? Can El Fatso fly a plane?( I like people that pilot, it seems to weed out idiots, like JFK, Jr. ) Even he admits other than the show, he’s been a failure all his life.
58 posted on 01/26/2008 6:26:07 AM PST by Leisler
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To: Rush4U
I get really disgusted by the lies I see people post on him. Outright lies. What they really do’t like is that he is a Mormon. I’m not thrilled about that but surprisingly he’s closest to Biblical PRINCILES than the humanist, Mike HUckabee. Mikes a humanist that preaches socialism.

I remember JFK, got in there and he was CATHOLIC! OH MY!!! I’m not Catholic, and we didn’t turn CATHOLIC. He didn’t preach at us to convert or else! Neither will Mitt.

News for Christians that are really BIGOTS:

Prayer works wonders. We’ll be praying for Mitt to become a Christian. I won’t post lies because he’s a Mormon. But I will pray he becomes a Christian - he’s a good man and has a wonderful family.

59 posted on 01/26/2008 6:27:16 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: Leisler
Can El Fatso fly a plane?( I like people that pilot, it seems to weed out idiots, like JFK, Jr. )

ouch! dude that's brutal! haha

60 posted on 01/26/2008 6:30:12 AM PST by ovrtaxt (No Rudy McRombee for me! I'm voting for Ron Paul. The GOP can curl up and die.)
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To: Melchior

It’s really not about Reagan.

It’s ALL ABOUT getting back to CORE REPUBLICAN IDEOLOGY.


61 posted on 01/26/2008 6:30:27 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: nmh

For me, he’sbetter than McCain or Rudy.


62 posted on 01/26/2008 6:30:42 AM PST by Rush4U
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To: nmh
Yeah ... it’s becoming Democrat light - afraid of standing up for what is right, being intimidated and NO BACKBONE to educate folks on what is right.

Much worse than that. It believes it IS right. The leadership believes it can cast off it's base and pick up the difference in the middle. All it has to do is get rid of those awful gun nuts and nasty Christians.

63 posted on 01/26/2008 6:30:52 AM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more. Keyes '08)
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To: nmh

I’m sure he’s a good guy and all, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s a MASS LIBERAL big government believer who made a fortune off of dealing with Communist China.


64 posted on 01/26/2008 6:32:21 AM PST by ovrtaxt (No Rudy McRombee for me! I'm voting for Ron Paul. The GOP can curl up and die.)
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To: saganite

yep ... and Bush should get much of the blame ... creating another expensive entitlement program (Medicare Rx) to go along with the other programs that will drain on the economy when the bulk of baby boomers are collecting, trying to push amnesty for illegal aliens, runwaway spending, getting the fed govt. more involved in education, campgain finance reform that has strengthen the power of incumbents and special interest groupos, and not pushing to produce more of our own energy (Bush folded and gave up on that ... just like entitlement reform) ... all to appease democrats ... look what we got ... a govt. that has spent like democrats (even though the republicans could have stopped it/fought it)

Bush turned out to be more Country Club Blue Blood Republican than Conservative Republican. And now our candidates left in 2008 appear to be more RINO than Bush (if we thought possible).


65 posted on 01/26/2008 6:32:25 AM PST by bluebeak
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To: David Isaac
Hamilton was a big government guy. Lincoln too, and Teddy Roosevelt. Hoover started many programs picked up by FDR. Wilkie was a democrat until 4 months before his nomination. Eisenhower was a democrat. Nixon kept all of LBJ’s big society programs. Then of course there was Voodoo Economics HW, and now Compassionate Conservative GW Bush.

So, Reagan and Calvin Coolidge where it.

66 posted on 01/26/2008 6:32:40 AM PST by Leisler
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To: nmh

I don’t know the figures, but isn’t it true that Mormons rarely convert to other denominations? Mormons are known in particular to gain former Baptists uneducated in the faith.


67 posted on 01/26/2008 6:32:43 AM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: fightinJAG

I wonder in my moments of lucidity, just what the Devil President Bush is up to. It would be interesting to know how much the Federal government has expanded during his term of office. It would also be interesting to know the number of pages which were added to the Federal regulations during his tour of duty.


68 posted on 01/26/2008 6:33:09 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (Swift as the wind; Calmly majestic as a forest; Steady as the mountains.)
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To: Theodore R.
"Good point, apparently some of the Reagan advisors convinced him he needed a “moderate” Republican (GHWB) to hold the liberal Republican segment of the party —"

I recall watching the convention and the buzz was that Reagan's short list had boiled down to Bush I or Rumsfeld. Think how that decision changed history. I can't imagine Rummy ever losing to BJ eight years later.

69 posted on 01/26/2008 6:33:30 AM PST by Reo
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To: nmh
It’s really not about Reagan.

Stone dead wrong. It is ALL about Reagan. Without Reagan Conservatism, Republicanism is dead and gone.

70 posted on 01/26/2008 6:33:36 AM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more. Keyes '08)
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To: Leisler

Congratulations: Yours is the very quintessence of the ad hominem argument.


71 posted on 01/26/2008 6:33:45 AM PST by Melchior
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To: Leisler

Oddly, Reagan said that he voted for FDR four times and HST once, and Coolidge is the only one to have defeated FDR in an election (as Harding’s VP candidate).

Cleveland was said to have been more conservative than Arthur or Harrison.


72 posted on 01/26/2008 6:34:05 AM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: ovrtaxt
Duncan Hunter certainly doesn’t think so.

Snort. Hunter endorsed the Huckster.

Nuff said.

73 posted on 01/26/2008 6:34:59 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: fightinJAG; All

If you ‘buy in’ to Noonan’s assessment of President Bush, et al, then you must also ‘buy’ her assessment of President Reagan:

“THE BATTLE FOR THE MIND OF RONALD REAGAN WAS LIKE THE TRENCH WARFARE OF WORLD WAR I: NEVER HAVE SO MANY FOUGHT SO HARD FOR SUCH BARREN TERRAIN”

I suppose GWB should consider himself lucky that Noonan merely accuses him of destroying the Republican Party — unlike, of course, the conservative elitists/propagandists who insist that Ronald Reagan was a “conservative” purist, (when he was actually a REPUBLICAN pragmatist) for the express purpose of destroying ALL current Republicans, including President Bush.


74 posted on 01/26/2008 6:35:00 AM PST by DrDeb
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To: Leisler

Interesting way you have of measuring success. BTW, I have discovered that your fag loving blowhard Rush wannabe has 2 Os in his name. Boo.


75 posted on 01/26/2008 6:35:03 AM PST by Past Your Eyes (Bill Clinton: Life Member of the Liars' Club.)
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To: fightinJAG

I am disappointed in some ways with W but to place the blame on him is to excuse the R’s in congress. The McCain’s, Graham’s...etc. He not only has had to deal with a hostile press...he has to deal with a hostile group within his own party.


76 posted on 01/26/2008 6:35:04 AM PST by txlurker
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To: fightinJAG
This is absurd. George W. Bush destroyed the Republican Party, by which I mean he sundered it, broke its constituent pieces apart and set them against each other.

Read my lips, Margaret, no new news here. Reagan had conservative heads exploding when he, among other things, raised taxes, increased the deficit and gave amnesty to millions of illegals. He is the standard bearer of conservatives today. It's a little early to be writing an obituary for the Republicans.

77 posted on 01/26/2008 6:35:13 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: ovrtaxt
He's been pushing like hell to get them PERMANENT and to have the death tax repealed. Non support in his OWN party ensured he does not have the political capital to get those things done before he leaves office, and you're whining he didn't get push hard enough for further tax cuts??

Do you not see the essential dichotomy? We we refuse to support the GOOD ideas because of the occasional perceived BAD ideas, WE have destroyed the Republican party.

78 posted on 01/26/2008 6:35:30 AM PST by cake_crumb (Even if you're unable to FIGHT to save your country, you CAN vote to save it.)
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To: roamer_1

Yes, and that strategy yields 39-40 percent like GHWB in 1992.


79 posted on 01/26/2008 6:35:55 AM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: Reo
"I can't imagine Rummy ever losing to BJ eight years later."

Make that 12 years.....and a second cup of coffee, please......

80 posted on 01/26/2008 6:36:49 AM PST by Reo
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To: mewzilla

I know. See tagline.


81 posted on 01/26/2008 6:37:26 AM PST by ovrtaxt (No Rudy McRombee for me! I'm voting for Ron Paul. The GOP can curl up and die.)
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To: Theodore R.

I’m not up on how, but somehow the party gave Taft the boot for Wilkie.


82 posted on 01/26/2008 6:37:37 AM PST by Leisler
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To: roamer_1

Alan Keyes is nonexistent this cycle. After getting what, 25 percent, against the popular Obama in liberal IL, no one takes him seriously with his reparations for slavery.


83 posted on 01/26/2008 6:38:29 AM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: fightinJAG

I AGREE WITH PEGGY. While I think G.W. did some good things (appointing Roberts and Alito to the SCOTUS)he has basically been a disaster this second term.

Big Government, big spending, open borders, etc., etc., etc. I just wish there was some way he could do “DAMAGE CONTROL” in his State of the Union Speech Monday night.

Probably won’t happen.


84 posted on 01/26/2008 6:38:39 AM PST by no dems (If we can't beat Hillary or Obama in '08, the GOP has become a sorry lot..)
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To: abclily

I couldn’t agree more. Ms. Noonan’s own sense of self-importance has clouded her judgement and allowed her to believe she speaks for all conservatives.

The idea that George Bush has singlehandedly “destroyed” the Republican party is nonsense. True, many of us would love to see another Reagan appear today and restore clarity and vision to our party. But to blame Bush for not being Reagan is unfair. Even Reagan the President was not “Reagan the Icon” at the time.


85 posted on 01/26/2008 6:39:01 AM PST by G.Love (Romney '08)
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To: Melchior

True.


86 posted on 01/26/2008 6:39:09 AM PST by Leisler
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To: nmh

“Rush is right. McCain or Huckabee will drive the Republican party further to the left. McCain is a social liberal and a fiscal liberal. Mike is a humanist that loves to ues socialism to make his utopia come true. The differences between the Demoncrats and Republicans will be hardly worth mentioning.
I’m voting for Mitt, the “Mormon”.”

Ditto. I see Romney as my next best choice.


87 posted on 01/26/2008 6:39:37 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: Leisler

It was Willkie of IN and NYC. His supporters got into the Philadelphia convention with passes and overwhelmed the galleries. They stunned the weak-kneed delegates who actually nominated him on a pro-FDR foreign policy and minor revisions of the New Deal. He did have quite a bit of the support of younger voters, like Obama today. Dewey and Taft deadlocked each other.


88 posted on 01/26/2008 6:40:21 AM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
The GOP is a lot stronger than a single person. What it needs is leadership, which is currently lacking

This is true the problem is Media every time some substantive stands up as a front runner for the Republican party they are either ignored or portrayed as a Nazi ! while the Darlings of the media and the media itself is held in high regard as the Saviour's of the land and all it's peoples....

89 posted on 01/26/2008 6:40:44 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (Global Warming : A perpetuation of Lies Levied onto sheep to give up their Fleece)
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To: cake_crumb

If any of the current candidates had half the balls of GW they might not have so much trouble getting elected. Maybe then if there was a someone who could be a real leader they would find the Republican Party would not be in such a state. The divisions were always there but without a good potential shepherd the sheep are getting a litle nervous.

Mel


90 posted on 01/26/2008 6:41:03 AM PST by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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To: G.Love

Don’t attack messenger “Noonan”. Look at her ideas. I am surprised that someone from the WSJ would be this forthcoming.


91 posted on 01/26/2008 6:41:20 AM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: cake_crumb

Yeah, that’s great.

He should be talking about the inherently Marxist idea of taxing income in the first place, the abuses of power that the IRS commonly visit on otherwise free citizens, and the Keynesian monetary and budgetary policies that have led us to economic crisis.

If he did that, we wouldn’t be debating about making the cuts permanent, we would actually have a national dialogue about the morality of our entire economy.

Instead, he allows the line of scrimmage to be positioned way over on the left, and we argue with the statists about minutiae.


92 posted on 01/26/2008 6:42:10 AM PST by ovrtaxt (No Rudy McRombee for me! I'm voting for Ron Paul. The GOP can curl up and die.)
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To: Bushbacker1
She has, to my knowledge, never had a good thing to say about W.

That's not true. She was a avid supporter in the 2000 and 2004 Election. Do a Google search of her writings during that time.
93 posted on 01/26/2008 6:42:20 AM PST by no dems (If we can't beat Hillary or Obama in '08, the GOP has become a sorry lot..)
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To: melsec
If any of the current candidates had half the balls of GW . . .

I don't follow this. And neither do former agents Ramos and Compean.

94 posted on 01/26/2008 6:42:28 AM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: Theodore R.

Both Bushes have been disasterous for the Republican Party and conservative movement. The two are probably responsible for about 80% of our 15 trillion dollar debt. Bush I was our “kinder, gentler president” and GWB has been our “compassionate conservative.” I, for one, want no more of it.


95 posted on 01/26/2008 6:43:55 AM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: G.Love
Other than Republican libertarians and conservatives, Reagan was thought of as a cray, out there ideas type that hoodwinked himself in against loser Democrats. Reagans basic conservative ideas had little support even with in his own administration.

So, considering the Tip O’Neil, Jim Wright, the media, the ignorant American population that had zero, no, none, nada idea what conservative was, and that people back then got their ‘news’ from ABC/CBS/NBS it was fantastic what Reagan did get done.

There is no excuse for ignorance now, especially within the GOP. I think now in the GOP it is about the money and power, Reagan be damned. There is just too much money in DC, and the political power can make and break any industry. Look at farmers and ethanol. Total taxpayer rape boondoggle.

96 posted on 01/26/2008 6:45:33 AM PST by Leisler
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To: DrDeb

Speaking of President Reagan, I remember VIVIDLY all the screaming about how he “expanded government and increased spending”...but never heard anyone whining that he single handedly destroyed the Republican party. No, we’re doing it all by ourselves. It’s always easier to blame someone else for our own wrongdoing.


97 posted on 01/26/2008 6:45:59 AM PST by cake_crumb (Even if you're unable to FIGHT to save your country, you CAN vote to save it.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

You are so right. This is typical of the left media. Say it long enough and loud enough and people will start believing you.


98 posted on 01/26/2008 6:46:16 AM PST by shiva
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To: Theodore R.

I used to enjoy looking at Ms. Noonan’s ideas. But I don’t consider her a “messenger.” That would imply that they are not her ideas - that she is merely the mouthpiece for somebody else. I’m no longer a big fan of hers, but I still give her credit for having ideas of her own.

I know a lot of people agree with her, but I don’t and that’s fine. I just resent her presuming to speak for all of us.


99 posted on 01/26/2008 6:47:00 AM PST by G.Love (Romney '08)
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To: Leisler; ovrtaxt

Yeah, it killed his wife and her sister, too. That’ll teach ‘em! haha. /s


100 posted on 01/26/2008 6:47:02 AM PST by BunkDetector
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