Skip to comments.(Gov. Rick) Perry vs. Romney (on Boy Scouts vs. homosexual activist groups)
Posted on 01/26/2008 10:36:22 AM PST by AFA-Michigan
Texas Gov. Rick Perry, a Republican, has written a book about the Boy Scouts, and he includes a less-than-flattering story about Mitt Romney, suggesting that the Republican presidential hopeful bowed to the homosexual rights lobby during the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City.
Here is a portion of what Mr. Perry had to say about Mr. Romney in the new book...
"In 2000 (Romney) put out a published call for volunteers ... The Great Salt Lake Council of the BSA, the largest in the nation, with some 80,000 Scouts and 35,000 adult leaders, answered Romney's call for volunteers."
"Some time that fall, however, the Scouts were advised that they were no longer welcome to participate. Chief Scout Executive for the Council, Marty Latimer said, 'We don't understand what's wrong. They just don't want us and won't talk to us.' He said that Romney had not returned calls from several Scout executives seeking an explanation."
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
And it's clear which side Romney is on.
Gov. Perry’s account is corroborated in detail in a 2002 commentary by investigative journalist David Bresnahan, author of “911: Terror in America,” former columnist for World Net Daily, and the 1986 USA Men’s Gymnastics Coach.
Bresnahan is also a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and a Salt Lake City area Boy Scout leader who remarkably — in light of the scathing tone of his report on Romney (excerpted below) — now actually supports Romney’s candidacy for president.
Romney: The cover-the-road politician
Will conservatives support his stands on
abortion and homosexual Scout leaders?
By David M. Bresnahan
...Romney believes that “all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation.”
That is a view which is in direct opposition to his church and to the BSA national policy. Romney showed his colors during the Olympics when he made it clear that the Boy Scouts would not be a part of the Olympics as they had traditionally been throughout modern Olympic history. There would be no Scouts in uniform for the public or press to see. Romney wanted no complaints from the homosexual community or the world press.
Every past Olympics, regardless of host country, the local Scouts participated in some way — in uniform. In fact, some of the past Olympics even used Scouts in uniform to present the awards to the Olympians.
However, Romney had no problem with including homosexuals as part of the Olympic Games. In fact, he went out of his way to include them in a way that would gain him significant support from that constituency.
Remember, Romney knew three years ago that he would return to Massachusetts after the Olympics. He knew that the majority of Massachusetts voters oppose the BSA ban on homosexual leaders, are mostly pro-choice, and support gay rights issues.
Romney was very careful to eliminate the Boy Scouts from view. He appeased them by permitting Scouts to perform litter clean up of Olympic sites before the Games began, and to help with putting up and taking down of security fences. All out of view of the public and the media. He also very cleverly made sure the homosexual activist community were invited to participate in the Olympics in a meaningful way that they would brag about.
The homosexual website Gay.com from the United Kingdom did that very thing on January 30, just before the games began. An article read by homosexuals all over the world proclaimed: “Winter Olympics First To Welcome Gays.”
“The Winter Games in Salt Lake City, Utah, next month will be the first to open its arms to the gay community. Organisers of the 2002 Winter Olympics have actively gone out to get the gay community involved. The Salt Lake Olympic Organising Committee (SLOC) invited two members of the community, Michael Marriott and Laura Milliken Gray to the group’s Volunteer Work Group, to get gays involved, the article reported.
The story went on to quote homosexual Olympic volunteers about what a very positive experience they were having, and the involvement of the homosexual community.
“Gay men and lesbians are volunteering their time at the games, opening their homes for the families and partners of Olympic athletes, and are serving on a SLOC committee. Our community has arrived and has taken its place at the table,” Marriott told the website reporter.
Full Bresnahan story:
1994: Romney opposed Boy Scouts national policy banning homosexuals
During his 1994 candidacy for the U.S. Senate, Romney opposed the Boy Scouts of America’s universal nationwide policy prohibiting participation in Scouting by adult leaders or boys who are known or openly identify themselves to be involved in homosexual activity.
VIDEO: U.S. Senatorial campaign debate
Romney: “I feel that all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation.”
The Boy Scouts of America responded to Romney’s statement with an extremely rare public rebuke:
October 27, 1994
Kennedy, Romney continue
trading charges over facts
by Peter G. Gosselin, Globe Staff
...Romney came in for some fire of his own, not from the Kennedy camp but from an organization on whose executive board he sits — the Boy Scouts of America.
A Boy Scout spokesman said the Republican candidate may have run afoul of the group’s strict rule that board members support Boy Scout policies, including its ban on homosexuals.
Asked about the policy in Tuesday’s debate, Romney said, “I support the right of the Boy Scouts of America to decide what it wants to do on that issue.” But he then added, “I feel that all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation.”
“From where I’m sitting, that doesn’t appear to be a consistent statement,” said Richard Walker, the Boy Scouts’ national spokesman. “His second statement seems to be inconsistent with our policy and as a member of the executive board he is expected to support our policy.” ...
* Text of original article available for purchase at:
* Former BSA spokesman Richard Walker is now senior vice president of the National Center for Policy Analysis:
2007: Romney still opposes Boy Scouts national policy banning homosexuals
When challenged by campaign rival Sen. Sam Brownback on his past opposition to the Boy Scouts’ universal nationwide policy prohibiting participation in Scouting by adult leaders or boys who are known or openly identify themselves to be involved in homosexual activity, Romney’s response made clear that he still opposes the BSA’s nationwide ban.
Romney instead (1) said that each local Scout council should be free to decide the issue, a clear departure from the current policy, and (2) let stand unamended his earlier statement that he believes “all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation.”
SIOUX CITY JOURNAL
Sioux City, Iowa
July 23, 2007
Brownback blasts Romney
for stance on gay Scouts
By Charlotte Eby, Lee Newspapers
DES MOINES — The campaign for Republican presidential candidate Sam Brownback is criticizing rival Mitt Romney, saying he supported the idea of allowing gay men to serve as Boy Scout leaders.
Romney’s openness to gay scout leaders conflicts with the Scout Oath, which requires Scouts to be morally straight, a statement from Brownbacks campaign said.
The Brownback campaign pointed to Romneys answer during a debate in 1994 when he ran for the U.S. Senate.
I support the right of the Boy Scouts of America to decide what it wants to do on that issue. I feel that all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation, Romney said during a debate clip posted on the Web site YouTube.com.
The Romney campaign pushed back at the allegations, saying Romney is a supporter of the Boy Scouts and believes local councils should decide their scouting policies. Romney at one time served on the Boy Scouts of America board of directors. ...
Wow, the McCainiacs are out in number today!
The President of the United States has historically served as Honorary National Chairman of the Boy Scouts of America, a position from which Romney’s personal belief that “all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation” would place significant additional pressure on the BSA to amend its common sense policy protecting young boys from exposure to adults and other boys who engage in homosexual behavior.
I don’t take seriously anything coming out of the mouth of our stupid Gov Rick Perry. Perry supports open borders. He endorsed Rudy and will probably support McCain.
A person gave us a lot of... Romney’s money!
This one I’d like to hear the backstory on. From Mitt himself.
The more time goes on, the more Richard Nixon seems kinda’ like a Mitt Romney wannabe.
This is true. This is one of the major reasons I don’t want a Romney Presidency. I don’t want our society further morphed to match the perverted goals of gay activists. They can live their lives privately without threat but when they want to reshaped the whole of society I consider that a threat to civilized society and traditional families. I think we need to be careful in supporting any of the remaining candidates. Romney, McCain, Huckabee, and Rudy are all critically flawed from a conservative standpoint. What our goal should be is to split the vote so none of them come out with the delegates to win. I hope Rudy wins Florida. It will deny both Romney and McCain the wins they need and it won’t give Rudy enough momentum to win enough delegates but it will further split the race. We need a contested nomination.
He is? You’re the first person that I’ve heard that from— which is neither here nor there, of course.
And that makes Mike Huckabee is a Spiro Agnew wanna be.
Was Romney passing out birth control pills to Texas teenagers (like Perry did recently-I believe there was some story in the news about that lately-having to do with cirvical cancer).
Rick Perry backed the wrong horse.
“The more time goes on, the more Richard Nixon seems kinda like a Mitt Romney wannabe.”
Read the full Bresnahan story in post 2, in which he describes the LDS Church official as publicly disavowing Romney’s suggested media manipulation techniques.
A disgusting attempt to discredit Romney days before an important crucial election. Using the homosexual card again. Romney is not pro gay agenda. Look at his record. There is no doubt sound reasoning around his decision. I do not know the details. But I do know that the LDS Church charters and sponsors more Boy Scout troops and packs than any other organization in the world.
This just stinks and probably Huckabee or McCain, or both, are behind it - in cahoots with the liberal media which all hate Romney’s guts and are out to get him.
I have faith in my candidate and am proud to support him. Go, Mitt!
He supported pro gay legislation in Ma. That’s enough.
Is that the best you can come up with?
What is YOUR opinion of Romney’s pro-gay, anti-Boy Scout remarks?
Romney has tried very hard to be on both sides of this issue. He is a man I cannot vote for no matter what. I’ve said that for months and I’m sticking by it. If Republicans pick him that’s their choice. I won’t be voting for him.
The Catholic Church is pro-life. Does that fact make Ted Kennedy more worthy of support to you?
Which wi8ll all but guarantee a Democrat in the White House.
The myopia of you socons is truly frightening.
While he was re-elected out of a crowd of loosers I can't think of anyone I know who actually thinks Perry is a capable governor.
Around the Texan spread we call him mimbo.
The trash has been taken out.
I’m from Texas; am a Republican activist. Perry wrote this book, recently out, because he is a buddy of Giuliani, endorsed Rudy months ago, has been in Florida very recently, probably still there, to help Rudy in his campaign. Perry is finished in Texas and his only way up is to be Rudy’s VP and get Rudy the Texas electoral votes. Perry’s book is to promote himself, evidently dump on Romney, and help get Rudy elected so he (Perry) has a national job. Perry is a disappointment and he hurt the Texas Republican Party in a major way.
I have proof dems are out of their minds.
My sister ( a dem) thinks it is ok for a 19 y.o. homosexual male to take her 12 y.o. son and others on overnight hiking trips.
Messing with the boy scouts is one of the most disturbing things a government can do.
Yeah, and they're playing dirty by quoting Romney's own words.
Gov Perry is a big Rudy backer. He also is not too popular in TX right now.
First of all, you are slandering Governor Romney he is neither “pro-gay” not “anti-Boy Scouts”.
Second of all, I care a great deal more about other, more pressing issues, like illegal immigration.
Perhaps you would become anti-amnesty too if I told you those were GAY Mexicans sneaking across the border to join the Boy Scouts?
The latter, not the former. ; )
Saundra Duffy: “Romney is not pro gay agenda. Look at his record.”
Saundra, please come back to reality.
If Romney’s record was not pro-gay agenda, he wouldn’t have been endorsed twice, nearly a decade apart, by the homosexual activist group Log Cabin Republicans.
Romney in 1994 promised he’d be more effective than Kennedy at actually implementing the homosexual political agenda.
He pledged to cosponsor Kennedy’s federal “gay rights” legislation.
He endorsed full-fledged gays in the military (in a letter to Log Cabin seeking their endorsement).
He endorsed tax-financed spousal-type benefits for the homosexual partners of Mass state govt employees.
He endorsed legal recognition of homosexual “domestic partnerships.”
In 2002, he opposed a Marriage Protection Amendment to the state constitution.
Then, after the state Supreme Court’s ruling, he endorsed an amendment that banned homosexual “marriage” but constitutionally established homosexual “civil unions,” a difference in terminology only.
He signed legislation funding the pro-homosexual public school propaganda activities of the Gov’s Commission on Gay & Lesbian Youth.
His 2002 campaign distributed a flyer congratulating homosexual activists on their celebration of Pride Month.
In 2005, he appointed a board member of the Mass Lesbian & Gay Bar Association to a state judgeship.
There, I’ve looked at his pro-gay agenda record. Which if any of the factual historical statements above do you challenge?
** and he includes a less-than-flattering story about Mitt Romney, suggesting that the Republican presidential hopeful bowed to the homosexual rights lobby during the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City.**
**1994: Romney opposed Boy Scouts national policy banning homosexuals**
Boy Scout bump to the top!
His family seed did produce nothing but males...
“Perry wrote this book, recently out, because...”
All interesting irrelevancies.
Please provide any documented evidence you have that rebuts Perry’s account, or more tellingly, the far more detailed corroborating account written by a Romney SUPPORTER in post 2.
More socialist ideas from Romney. The government should determine the morals of private organizations.
Gay activists hate Mitt Romney’s guts almost as much as you and the liberal media do.
Your anti Romney rants do not make sense. Romney is against discrimination in all its ugly evil forms. That’s all. I suppose you do not think gay people should be able to go to school and hold down jobs.
I certainly regret my vote in re-electing him. There just wasn’t much of a slate to choose from.
What happened was a failure to communicate before Romney arrived of the scene.
Because of the severely ramped up security, the BSA kids had their job descriptions changed and they were no longer old enough or experianced to meet the new requirement for some of the jobs they had expected to do, like escorts, guides and the like. Romney did allow them to participate. That was never the issue. The issue was that some of the expected duties changed as a result of 9/11. They now required security clearances, training and anti-terror responsibilties to be working inside the facilities.. If you recal, they feared a terrorist attack at the games, and a big one.
The LDS church is one of the Boy Scouts largest participants and supporters. Nearly every church has a troop and packs of cubs. Romney is a Scouting supporter and always has been.
This issue was settled at the time, and regurgitating this BS is nothing but crap politics.
LOL! I'm dying here. :)