Phony, ignorant Christians

WorldNetDaily ^ | January 25, 2008 | Joseph Farah

[Presbyterian Reporter]

Paul warned us about times like this and the way people – including those claiming to be professing Christians – would act. I strongly believe Paul had in mind the kind of people who run major Protestant denominations like the United Methodist Church.

Today, at an event in Fort Worth, Texas, leaders of the denomination, which boasts membership by President Bush and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, will consider divesting from all companies that do business with Israel.

To say that even considering such an action is hateful, unbiblical, anti-Christian and evil would be an understatement.

It's not even understandable except in the context of the kind of morally blind apostasy described by Paul.

The problem with these people is not that they don't understand the Middle East. It is simply that they are no longer able to tell right from wrong. They are no longer able to distinguish between good and evil. They are no longer able to see the difference between freedom and tyranny. They are no longer able to judge between criminal and victim.

They have, in short, completely lost their moral bearings.

This is no longer a church; it is an organization of misguided political activism. This is no longer a house of God; it is a mad house. This is no longer part of the bride of Christ; it is a whore to the world.

I know these are tough words, for which I am sure to be criticized by some of my Christian friends.

For those pastors leading Methodist churches who understand where your denomination is heading, it's time to pack up and divest yourself of links to the denomination.

It's separation time.

[Presbyterian Reporter]

Once again the mainline protestant churches show their bigotry towards Israel.

Get out while you can.

[wardaddy]

I agree...many denominations are apostate now.

exceptions:

PCA

SBC

most Charismatics

nearly all country style literalists and fundies (anything with primitive in the name is not likely to be just kumbaya)

Lutheran Missouri Synod

Texas/Tennessee Church of Christ (a far cry from UCC)

Some Southern Methodists

Some Anglican Rite

can’t comment on Eastern Orthodox or Catholic though I’m partial to the periwinkle and incense of the Slavs

[Nextrush]

“Religion is the opium of the people when they mainline it.”-Nextrush

[Mrs.Z]

Thus saith the Lord:

“... I will bless those who bless thee, and curse those who curse thee...”

Gen 12:3

Israel will be cared for in spite of the apostate church.

[Flintlock]

This is the end result of Churches letting in the draft dodgers of the 60’s and 70’s in the form of allowing deferments to seminarians. These moral cowards who joined then have now reached tht point where they actually RUN those churches.
My church-Anglican—was only the first to go, but the rest are not far behind and are fast catching up in their race to the bottom.
Yep. It’s actually LONG PAST time to get out—get out while you still can.

[PAR35]

You left a bunch off your list - OPC, ARP, RCUS, WELS, URCNA, RPCNA....

[savedbygrace]

IMO, you should indicate where you have snipped sections of the original to create your edited version. (Unless you are Joe Farrah.)

As it is, you’ve created an edited version, rather than an excerpt, without noting that fact.

I’m glad you posted this column, because it is a critically important issue, but the way you posted it is wrong, IMO.

[alicewonders]

This is no longer part of the bride of Christ; it is a whore to the world.

Unfortunately, this description is right on the money!

[Jabba the Nutt]

There are more ex-Methodists than Methodists. Methodists have been divesting from the Methodist elitists for decades. But they don’t learn.

[knarf]

I went and read the column with your comment in mind ... PR did no harm.

[TheBattman]

More you left off:

BMA
ABA

[TheBattman]

Errr...

I mean BMAA
and ABA

[jim35]

Yes, the UMC likes to brag that they’ve got open minds, open hearts and open doors.

Somebody needs to tell them they let the devil in.

[greatvikingone]

Israel is a country, not a holy entity.

[savedbygrace]

I agree that s/he stayed true to the intent of the column, but that point is irrelevant. The editing should have been noted in some way.

It’s a matter of journalistic ethics.

[MuttTheHoople]

Many United Methodist Churches in the South are quite conservative. It's those churches who are being used by the national UMC to fund their activities.

I grew up a United Methodist. When I accepted Christ as Savior when I was 19, I became a regular member of the UMC. I was vice-President of the Wesley Foundation at Mississippi State. I worked at Lake Junaluska Assembly (home of the United Methodist Church in the Southeast) one summer. I met my wife at Christ UMC in Jackson, got married there, raised my kids to go there, and was very active.

However, there was always that nagging feeling I had in the back of my mind...I felt that our church (a bible-believing, Conservative church) was simply put out there as a cash cow for the State Conference and the National Church. I had a bad taste when, growing up, I had heard that they opposed the war in Vietnam yet had no words for the millions slaughtered in the Killing Fields of SE Asia in the wake of our cutting and running. My bad feelings about this were affirmed when they came out against the liberation of the Iraqi people.

When we moved out of Jackson, MS, I decided to NOT transfer to a UMC. We tried a Baptist church for a while, but the Lord led us to a Congregational Methodist Church (Wesleyan teachings, but was congregational instead of hierarchial). My family is VERY happy there. Plus, the Lord has truly blessed us.

I don't condemn the UMC as the Church of Satan. There are many honest, sincere, bible-believing Christians still attending the UMC. Many are trying to change it from the inside. However, I have 4 kids and I don't have the luxury of trying to fight from the inside while my kids are subjected to lukewarm, leftist indoctrination.

Now that they've cursed Israel, I expect calamity to come upon the United Methodist Church.

[maine-iac7]

ADd to your pro-Israel list: 'The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" aka "Mormons"

They are one of the staunchest defenders of Israel = they take the Biblical admonition literally: "1. Genesis 12:3 "And I will bless them that bless thee and curse him that curseth thee; and in thee shall all nations of the earth be blessed."

They are close allies of the Jewish peoples

[maine-iac7]

This is the end result of Churches letting in the draft dodgers of the 60’s and 70’s in the form of allowing deferments to seminarians. These moral cowards

Deplorable as gore is now, think of what he'd be perpetrating on society if he had not flunked out of divinity college...

[knarf]

"It’s a matter of journalistic ethics."

OK ... gotta' run now an' listen to my preacher. (Independent Baptist)

[cowdog77]

Thus saith the Lord:

“... I will bless those who bless thee, and curse those who curse thee...”
_______________________

So be it.

[trek]

Perhaps the folks in the tents were right all along.

[Amos the Prophet]

Thank you for your testimony.
I was a UMC elder for 15 years. My ministry ended when my DS condemned me for having “a congregation of sheep who will follow you anywhere.” These were social outcasts, severely disabled, many mentally troubled people who the same DS said, “excluded the middle class.”
There was more, much more, said and done by ecclesiastical tyrants that convinced me that the church of my childhood and of my fathers no longer existed.
That was 20 years ago. The continued demise of the presence of Christ in the UMC has continued unabated. They have become a coven of worldly witches and warlocks bearing no resemblance to Christ.

[what's up]

You can't add Mormons to the list.

The Mormons differ from Orthodxx christianity in their beliefs about Christ.

[wardaddy]

i confess ignorance....i had to look some of those up

[wardaddy]

I’m learning.

[wardaddy]

They are close allies of the Jewish peoples

that's interesting.....I wonder how well that love is reciprocated?

[maine-iac7]

You can't add Mormons to the list. The Mormons differ from Orthodxx christianity in their beliefs about Christ

Oh, good grief. Not that old saw...

The Mormons worship Jesus as the Christ, the Redeemer, the Only Begotten Son of God -

I think GOD will decide if they are therefore Christians - not the stiff-necked amoung us who presume to speak for God...

CHRISTIAN:

1. of, pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings: a Christian faith.

2. of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ: Spain is a Christian country.

3. of or pertaining to Christians: many Christian deaths in the Crusades.

4. exhibiting a spirit proper to a follower of Jesus Christ; Christlike: She displayed true Christian charity.

5. decent; respectable: They gave him a good Christian burial.

6. human; not brutal; humane: Such behavior isn't Christian.

–noun 7. a person who believes in Jesus Christ; adherent of Christianity.

8. a person who exemplifies in his or her life the teachings of Christ: He died like a true Christian.

The Mormon's fit every above criteria - yet people still maintain they aren't Christian because they don't believe in the Trinity = which the earlier followers didn't either -

From the Church web site

http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=e419fb40e21cef00VgnVCM1000001f5e340aRCRD

[what's up]

Mormons believe that they will be gods one day. They do not believe that the Trinity has always been and always will be the only Deity .

Mormons are NOT Orthodox christians.

[angkor]

>>>>Mormons are NOT Orthodox christians.

They are what they are, but they are most certainly Christians.

Your point is made, now give it a rest.

[jmyrlefuller]

Israel is a land which refuses to acknowledge the Christ. It should be a CHRISTIAN nation, but instead the Christians have sold out to Zionist Jews.

[what's up]

They are what they are, but they are most certainly Christians.

Nonsense.

You obviously didn't read, or don't want to address how Mormons depart from Orthodox belief.

[aimhigh]

Mormons believe that they will be gods one day.

The original temptation now mascarades as a Christian religion.

[XeniaSt]

Israel is a land which refuses to acknowledge the Christ. It should be a CHRISTIAN nation, but instead the Christians have sold out to Zionist Jews.

30 posted on 01/27/2008 9:24:03 AM MST by jmyrlefuller

Israel and Jerusalem belong to YHvH.

YHvH has given His Land to His Chosen People.

You would know that if you were familar with Elohim's Word.

I strongly urge you to read Paul's writings to the Romans.

Particularly chapters 9 - 11.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua

[joebuck]

"It is simply that they are no longer able to tell right from wrong. They are no longer able to distinguish between good and evil."

Satan is crafty and knows the greatest temtation is in man's pride. His greatest lie and temptation in the garden was that man could be like God and decide for himself what was right and wrong.

"For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

[angkor]

Yeesh, pointless to say anything else.

[what's up]

Yes, pointless because you know it's true.

Mormons do not believe in the tenets of Orthodox christianity.

[donna]

Excellent column.

[donna]

Yes, it’s good to use “(snip)” to indicate missing text.

[angkor]

>>>>>>>Yes, pointless because you know it’s true. Mormons do not believe in the tenets of Orthodox christianity.

No, pointless because it’s obsessive and irrelevant nitpicking in the greater scheme of things.

You want to debate it in church (by the way, why aren’t you there now), then go right ahead. That’s the appropriate place.

I refer you to Article VI of the Constitution, and if that’s too much for you then I’ll end with this: we are voting for the President Of The United States Of America, not for a theocratic leader or a Bishop Of America.

Take it where it belongs.

[schu]

Agree completely. In my brief study it seems like every significant evil of the world: fascism, socialism, communism, Islamism is the result of man thinking they are God. When you see this happen, turn and run as fast as you can ...

schu

[Natural Law]

"You can't add Mormons to the list."

With few exceptions I have found Mormons to be decent, honest Christians. As a Catholic I could easily lump many so-called Protestant denominations into that un-Christian category so many "orthodox" Christians assign to Mormons and for the same reasons. I refuse to do so. Whether Mormons, Lutherans, Methodists, Baptists, or Episcopalians are actually Christian will only be determined by God. We are not here to judge, but to be judged. In the end, God will look into our hearts and actions, not into which pew we sat in or which hymns we sang.

[Cvengr]

One of the most important was left off your list:

CHRISTIAN:

1. One who believes Jesus Christ is God through faith alone in Christ alone.
or
1. One who believes Christ is the Jewish, God-Man, King, Messiah,
or
1. One who through faith alone in Christ alone i.e. believes God alone provides salvation.

[what's up]

That’s the appropriate place

If you noticed, this is a thread about religion, on which you are also participating, you are also making a choice here not to debate just "in church".

And we are not debating here the Constitution or the President, despite your being the first to bring those up. The topic is true christianity.

Mormons do not ascribe to Orthodox christianity. They do not believe that Deity is found only in the Trinity.

In fact, they go so far as to believe they too will be gods some day. This is far from Orthodox belief.

[bmwcyle]

ping

[hinckley buzzard]

This is no longer a church; it is an organization of misguided political activism. This is no longer a house of God; it is a mad house

Pretty much describes the whole mainline.

[what's up]

Whether Mormons, Lutherans, Methodists, Baptists, or Episcopalians are actually Christian will only be determined by God

Many would extend that argument to include Muslims as well since they also "believe" in Christ.

Mormons deny the Deity of Christ and the Trinity in general. In fact, they go so far as to believe that Jesus was a brother of the Devil.

If you want to believe that's Orthodox christianity, that's up to you. But I would bet your Catholic authorities would not agree with your opinion.

[Mr. Mojo]

...will consider divesting from all companies that do business with Israel.

Why? Because Israelis have the nerve to defend themselves and to not willingly put their heads on the Islamic chopping block?

These types of people tolerate Jews only when they're defenseless and meek.

[XeniaSt]

If you want to believe that's Orthodox christianity, that's up to you. But I would bet your Catholic authorities would not agree with your opinion.

I wonder what YHvH thinks about the millions who worship the goddess of heaven.

b'SHEM Yah'shua

[what's up]

Not going there this time.

[safisoft]

Israel is a country, not a holy entity.

Read your Bible lately?