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Rick Majerus standing by his beliefs
New York Daily News ^ | Friday, January 25th 2008 | Dick Weiss

Posted on 01/27/2008 1:10:58 PM PST by presidio9

St. Louis basketball coach Rick Majerus had no intention of creating such a firestorm when he made an appearance at a Hillary Clinton rally last Saturday night in St. Louis and answered questions regarding his pro-choice, pro-embryonic stem-cell research beliefs for a local TV affiliate.

Three days later, Archbishop Raymond Burke of the St. Louis diocese, who is very active in the pro-life movement and recently attended the March for Life conference in Washington, D.C., drew a line in the sand in response. Burke said St. Louis University, which is a university operated by the Jesuit fathers, should discipline Majerus for his comments. He then threatened to deny Majerus, a practicing Catholic, Holy Communion if the coach did not change his positions.

This is the same Raymond Burke who also threatened Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry over the same issue in 2004 and told Catholics not to attend a fund-raiser thrown by Bob Costas because Sheryl Crow, an advocate for stem-cell research, was performing.

And we thought the Inquisition ended in the 15th century.

No one has denied Burke his right - or anyone's right - to express his opinion on Roe v. Wade or stem cell research or any issue. But Burke seemed to overstep his spiritual boundaries when he threatened the First Amendment rights of a private individual in this supposedly free country and the free exchange of ideas in a university community.

Majerus, a highly intellectual person, has different philosophies, which have evolved from his life experiences and education that took place in the gyms around the country and the classrooms of Marquette High and University and in the home of his parents in Milwaukee, an equally devout Catholic city. Those philosophies are as well-researched as any opponent he has played.

"These are my personal views," Majerus said from St. Louis last night. "I'm respectful of the archbishop's position, but it's not going to change my mind. We're given free will and the right to vote for changes. I think religion should be inclusive. I would hope that all people would feel welcome inside a church, and that the church would serve to bring people together, even if they happen to disagree on certain things."

Majerus, 59, always has had a keen interest in politics. This could be in tribute to the work of his late father Ray and his 81-year-old mother Alyce, a daily communicant who was concerned her son might be excommunicated after this incident.

Although Ray did not have the benefit of being educated by the Jesuits like his son, there is no doubt he lived a life by the tenet they encourage - being a man for others. Ray Majerus became a union organizer in Milwaukee and later the secretary-treasurer of the UAW. He was not afraid to expose Rick to the picket lines for the famous Koehler, Wis., factory strike at the tender age of 7. Nor were his parents concerned when they let young Rick march in the deep South in places like Selma, Ala., with the Rev. James Groppi and Jesse Jackson when the civil rights movement was just starting to take root during the 1960s. His parents were even tear-gassed on one occasion. He campaigned with his father outside factory gates with Jimmy Carter and Walter Mondale in 1976, campaigned for Kerry in three states in 2004 and plans to fly to Utah, where he is a registered Democrat, to vote in November. He also has participated in death penalty protests outside prisons, building a liberal philosophy that is ingrained in him.

Majerus is not pro-abortion, but he is pro-choice and believes a woman should have the right to choose what to do with her body, and can imagine the many facets of that anguished decision.

Majerus has yet to hear from Burke or St. Louis president Rev.Lawrence Biondi. "I understand the school can't say anything," Majerus said. "I didn't represent the school when I made those comments. At the same time, when I took this job, I didn't check my heart at the door. I understand discretion is the better part of valor, but I think I have a responsibility to speak out on something I believe in."

You may not agree with him, but Majerus has a right to be heard on important topics that affect our society, just like the rest of us. Rick Majerus is a man for all seasons, much like the martyr St.Thomas More, and feels strongly enough to resign over this if asked.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: abortion; archbishopburke; collegebasketball; deathculture; freespeech; inquisitionref; majerus; rickmajerus

1 posted on 01/27/2008 1:10:59 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

From what I know of Jesuits today, his resignation won’t be requested. I was educated by Jesuits, but that was many years ago and things were very different. They always stood a bit apart in some ways, but today they seem to stand not just apart but openly against the Church.


3 posted on 01/27/2008 1:19:38 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: presidio9

Denial of communion: OK, that’s the church’s perogative. Efforts to get him disciplined: not OK; he was hired as a coach and was expressing a personal opinion and not speaking for the university or the church.


4 posted on 01/27/2008 1:21:27 PM PST by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: presidio9
Re: "Rick Majerus had no intention of creating such a firestorm when he made an appearance at a Hillary Clinton"

Hmmm... actions often have consequences.

5 posted on 01/27/2008 1:22:09 PM PST by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: presidio9

Maybe it’s me getting cynical as I age, but is there anyone besides myself that thinks Mr. Majerus planned it all out in advance as a kickoff to running for office himself?

Under the Dem flag, presumably.

Hey, maybe Hillary will let him give the convention speech...


6 posted on 01/27/2008 1:24:40 PM PST by sinanju
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To: presidio9

He’s been basketball coach at St Louis since April 30, 2007.


7 posted on 01/27/2008 1:29:25 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: presidio9

Have another burrito, Rick.


8 posted on 01/27/2008 1:30:01 PM PST by Senator Goldwater
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To: presidio9
So he says, "At the same time, when I took this job, I didn't check my heart at the door."

No one said anything about the fat guy's bloated & cholesterol filled heart. As an employee of a Catholic university he should publicly and privately adhere to the morals and values of the Faith he purports to represent. If not, he should get out!

9 posted on 01/27/2008 1:33:11 PM PST by vox_freedom
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To: John Jorsett

Not sure where you’ve been employed in your life, but I have had to sign media disclosure documents wherever I’ve worked and at both of the private clubs that I belong to.

Nobody is interested in what Rick Majerus has to say because they think he’s some brilliant constitutional law expert. They want to hear what he has to say specifically because of where he works and has worked. Period.

Putting that aside for a second, I will take Weiss at his word: That Majerus is speaking as a “devout” and “practicing” Catholic. Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI have been very clear on the fact that you can not be “pro-choice” and be practicing Catholicism. Final decisions on Catholic doctrine are not “inclusive,” as Majerus wants them to be. Therefore, what Majerus really is is a Protestant who attends Catholic services. We welcome him to do so, and hope that he ends up seeing the light. Nevertheless, it is insulting when we see someone like him speaking on our behalf for someone like Hillary Clinton.


10 posted on 01/27/2008 1:34:13 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

Shut up and coach, Rick! If you want to use your semi-celebrity status for a soapbox, get a job coaching at a public university. Maybe Colorado at Boulder, for example.


11 posted on 01/27/2008 1:37:46 PM PST by mconley22
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To: John Jorsett
Efforts to get him disciplined: not OK; he was hired as a coach and was expressing a personal opinion and not speaking for the university or the church.

Of course it's OK.He works for a Catholic university.

12 posted on 01/27/2008 1:57:28 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Wanna see how bad it can get? Elect Hillary and find out.)
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To: presidio9; Emmett McCarthy; John Jorsett; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
Canon lawyer, Dr. Edward Peters, weighs in on the discussion.


Does Coach Majerus really think he can out play Abp. Burke?

I'm not making this up.

Jesuit-run St. Louis University's basketball coach Rick Majerus (yes, a basketball coach) is telling St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke (yes, the canonist archbishop), to mind his own business regarding Majerus' outspoken support for (get ready for it) abortion and experimentation on embryonic humans! If it weren't that expressing support for such deeply offensive conduct is so deadly serious, I'd be laughing.

Majerus boasts a long career in lefty politics going back to the 1960s, so maybe that's why he apparently never noticed that the Second Vatican Council, in its only display of anger, denounced abortion as an "unspeakable crime" (GS 51). An unspeakable crime, folks, for which Catholics are liable to excommunication (1983 CIC 1398), which St. Louis University official Rick Majerus publically and repeatedly supports.

Majerus' claim that the "First Amendment right to free speech supersedes anything that the archbishop would order me to do" rated (sorry, I couldn't help it) an 8.5 on the laugh-out-loud scale. SLU's basketball coach should walk across the quad to SLU's law school and ask any second year student to explain the notion of "state action" before he asserts any more grandiloquently wrong theories about the law of Church and state.

And if Majerus thinks that the Post-Dispatch is on his side, he should think again. News reporter Bernie Miklasz opined "If Burke is expecting an apology or silence from Majerus, it won't happen" and "If Burke hopes Majerus will fall in line with the Roman Catholic church's official positions on these two issues, it won't happen." That's not reporting news, that's fanning the flames of conflict. The secular press loves to play "Let's you and him fight", especially when the 'him' is a faithful Catholic bishop. Majerus is walking right into it.

I'm going to assume that Majerus knows even less about canon law than he apparently does about Church teaching, constitutional law, and media management, and offer the following thoughts.

Update: Culling a variety of sources, it appears that Abp. Burke has said that he is prepared to withhold Communion from Majerus. Denial of Communion is not a sign that the archbishop doesn't like Majerus or that he disagrees with his political views. Rather, it would be a determination by a highly-educated, deeply-dedicated successor to the apostles of Jesus Christ that the coach's conduct is tantamount to obstinate perseverance in manifest grave sin per 1983 CIC 915. Such a serious situation would require immediate attention.

Moreover, Majerus had better not provoke Abp. Burke into ordering him by penal precept (1983 CIC 1319) to retract his public support for experimenting on and killing pre-born human beings. Should Majerus receive and refuse such a precept, sanctions up to and including formal excommunication are possible against the St. Louis University official. A busload of First Amendment citations won't protect Majerus against that kind of canonical sanction.

For that matter, Abp. Burke doesn't even need to resort to a penal precept if he doesn't want to, because Majerus' public advocacy of gravely immoral behavior and his use of the press to reiterate his horrible views have already placed him at risk for sanctions under 1983 CIC 1369.

Majerus still has time to get out of this mess, but probably not much time. Abp. Burke has considerably more experience defending Church teaching and enforcing ecclesiastical discipline than Majerus has experience dealing with principled stands by conscientious bishops. The last thing a SLU basketball coach should want is a certified letter from a determined archbishop whose office is just six blocks west of SLU's campus.

So I wonder, how far will things have to go before Majerus admits that maybe, just maybe, a 2,000-year-old Church founded by Jesus Christ knows more about the dignity of innocent human life than does Hillary Clinton?

How far? Only Majerus knows.

Edward Peters
SLU Class of 1979

13 posted on 01/27/2008 2:01:30 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Of course it's OK.He works for a Catholic university.

So because he gets a paycheck they own him? My employer doesn't tell me what I can or can't say here on FR or anywhere else.

14 posted on 01/27/2008 2:17:25 PM PST by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: John Jorsett

I disagree. The Catholic Church, as a PRIVATE employer, is free to discipline Majerus for publicly taking a position antithetical to the Church’s teachings. He has no First Amendment rights in that regard [no government action]. They should fire him. But then again, they should excommunicate the Kennedys, Cuomos, Pelosis, and Majerus.


15 posted on 01/27/2008 2:19:25 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: presidio9; FatherofFive
You may not agree with him, but Majerus has a right to be heard on important topics that affect our society, just like the rest of us. Rick Majerus is a man for all seasons, much like the martyr St.Thomas More, and feels strongly enough to resign over this if asked.

And as the local Ordinary Archbishop Burke has the right to declare him excommunicate and have sacraments with held from him in his diocese.

And the School has the right to suspend him and refuse to renew his contract.

Lets hope that the coach is smart enough to realize his soul and his lively hood are both in danger.

16 posted on 01/27/2008 2:22:47 PM PST by verga (I'm not an apologist I just play one on TV)
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To: John Jorsett
Efforts to get him disciplined: not OK; he was hired as a coach and was expressing a personal opinion and not speaking for the university or the church.

Usually when one accepts a job at a religion-based institution it is customary to sign a doctrinal statement as well as a public behavior agreement. This is done for a number of reasons, almost all in order to protect the institution's reputation as a whole.

I have no idea if Majerus signed any such agreement. But his behavior demonstrates why institutions require it.

17 posted on 01/27/2008 2:23:02 PM PST by fideist (Proud Father of a U.S. Marine.)
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To: John Jorsett
So because he gets a paycheck they own him? My employer doesn't tell me what I can or can't say here on FR or anywhere else.

Try going out and making very public statements that run directly counter to your employer's interests. I work for a pharma company; how long do you think I should keep my job if I appeared in a Michael Moore documentary?

18 posted on 01/27/2008 2:23:25 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: John Jorsett
So because he gets a paycheck they own him?

Certainly not.But they do get to evaluate,on a continuing basis,his fitness to retain the position that they granted him.

My employer doesn't tell me what I can or can't say here on FR or anywhere else.

Try getting a job at DNC Headquarters and then publicly endorse Romney and see how fast your employment prospects change.

19 posted on 01/27/2008 2:27:33 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Wanna see how bad it can get? Elect Hillary and find out.)
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To: NYer

Thank you for that very thorough insight into the Archbishop’s history and positions. I do regard him highly for his adherence to the truth. My question would be: Does his authority allow him to order the Jesuits to fire Majerus? And, if so, would the Jesuits comply? I graduated from Wheeling College (now known as Wheeling Jesuit University) back in ‘71 and before that from a Jesuit high school in D.C., but, as I said, Jesuits are differnt now - and not in good ways.


20 posted on 01/27/2008 2:28:41 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: presidio9
And we thought the Inquisition ended in the 15th century.

How stupid. Rick Majerus is a world-class creep and should not be drawing a pay-check from a Catholic university.

This is the equivalent of a holocaust denier working at Yeshiva. In such a case, does anyone really think the NY Post would be defending the cretin and comparing his opponents to the Sanhedrin?
21 posted on 01/27/2008 2:29:39 PM PST by Antoninus ("Make all the promises you have to." -Mitt Romney)
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To: presidio9

Shut up and coach...your team stinks right now.


22 posted on 01/27/2008 2:30:41 PM PST by demsux
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To: John Jorsett
So because he gets a paycheck they own him? My employer doesn't tell me what I can or can't say here on FR or anywhere else.

Why are Catholics (and Christians in general) the only ones who have to put up with people who hate them working for their institutions?
23 posted on 01/27/2008 2:31:34 PM PST by Antoninus ("Make all the promises you have to." -Mitt Romney)
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To: presidio9

Of course, if the media hates you, would they still characterize you as “standing by your beliefs?”

I think not.


24 posted on 01/27/2008 2:32:16 PM PST by Tall_Texan (No Third Term For Bill Clinton!)
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To: NYer; kstewskis
Well said.

Majerus's comments, about the church needing to be inclusive, completely disregards the stance the church continues to take on the unborn, and stem cell research.

I guess Rick is completely comfortable with the killing of the unborn.

How civilized.

Burke is trying to save souls; Majerus is comfortable destroying them.

25 posted on 01/27/2008 2:34:26 PM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: mconley22
Shut up and coach, Rick! If you want to use your semi-celebrity status for a soapbox, get a job coaching at a public university. Maybe Colorado at Boulder, for example.

Right On! Also don't represet yourself as a Catholic. You're a CINO. We don't need your kind in the church.

26 posted on 01/27/2008 2:39:09 PM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: Emmett McCarthy

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27 posted on 01/27/2008 2:40:29 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Hunter's endorsement makes Huckabee the last credible candidate on FR)
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To: presidio9

Psalms 94 speaks about those who “condemn the innocent to death”.

The narcissistic baby-boomer controlled era of liberalism is coming to a close.

Roe v. Wade will be changed in 5-10 years, I believe.


28 posted on 01/27/2008 2:43:55 PM PST by Finalapproach29er (Dems will impeach Bush in 2008, they have nothing else. Mark my words.)
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To: Northern Yankee
the church needing to be inclusive
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How can a church stand for something and simultaneously “be inclusive”?

29 posted on 01/27/2008 2:46:29 PM PST by Finalapproach29er (Dems will impeach Bush in 2008, they have nothing else. Mark my words.)
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To: presidio9; Saint Athanasius

OK, correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t this guy supposed to have some gravitas in the world of college basketball? But, if that’s the case, then why is he working at a basketball -er- “powerhouse” like SLU? Which leads me to one of these conclusions:
A) I am wrong and he actually does NOT have gravitas in college basketball,
B) Knowing Burke’s reputation, he has actually picked this fight to give himself gravitas within the rat party for a future in politics
C) A and B


30 posted on 01/27/2008 2:53:38 PM PST by rhinohunter (Welcome back to the GOP "glory" days of Gerald Ford and Bob Michel)
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To: John Jorsett
Of course it's OK.He works for a Catholic university.

So because he gets a paycheck they own him? My employer doesn't tell me what I can or can't say here on FR or anywhere else.

Employees of the Coca Cola corporation have been disciplined for drinking Pepsi on their private lunch break. Dana Jacobsen of ESPN got a week off for a drunken anti-Christian rant at a nonwork event. What planet do you live on where you can embarrass your employer at will and expect them to keep employing you?

31 posted on 01/27/2008 2:54:53 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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32 posted on 01/27/2008 2:59:35 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Trajan88
Re: "Rick Majerus had no intention of creating such a firestorm when he made an appearance at a Hillary Clinton

Right. The guy has been an ignorant leftwing stooge his whole worthless life. Trying to play the innocent now is just rubbish.

33 posted on 01/27/2008 3:02:56 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: John Jorsett; Antoninus

The Catholic Church, via his bishop, is his employer. The Catholic Church, via the Bishop, should exercise its duty to correct any representative within its employ. If the employee refuses to conform to his employer’s directives, the Catholic Church should express its free speech and employer rights and say: “You’re fired.”


34 posted on 01/27/2008 3:42:20 PM PST by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: presidio9
Majerus, a highly intellectual person...

Who on earth makes THAT claim? Majerus is obviously a complete moron.

35 posted on 01/27/2008 3:44:16 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: John Jorsett

You want to work for me, respect me and my views.


36 posted on 01/27/2008 3:45:35 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Finalapproach29er

Yep... I think Majerus doesn’t quite understand what he is saying these days.


37 posted on 01/27/2008 4:53:16 PM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: NYer
Good post.

Can we imagine, if a coach at a government school showed up at a Republican rally and stated that abortion and embryonic stem cell research are murder and that homosexual acts are intrinsically evil?

Does anyone think that he would have a job the next day?

38 posted on 01/27/2008 6:41:31 PM PST by Eagles6
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To: presidio9
Ex Corde Ecclesiae - On Catholic Universities - John Paul II
 
Ex Corde Ecclesiae - An Application to the United States
 
The Jesuits have lost it years ago.  At St. Peter's College  (e-mail) in NJ, Jesuit priest,  Fr. Robert Kennedy, S.J., professor of theology,  became a zen-buddhist & roshi master while supposedly teaching impressionable young  adults Catholic theology courses.  To this day, the bishops have done nothing to stop this priest.   Parents are paying upwards of $40,000 per year for their children to get a Catholic education and this is what they get for their money?  It's no wonder that so many students who attend liberal Jesuit and other liberal Catholic universities leave the faith.
 
Fr. Robert Kennedy, S.J., (former  Theology Professor of St. Peter's College) is a zen buddhist roshi master
 
Kennedy Roshi 
 
Jesuit-Vagina Monologues on the FR
 
Jesuit-abortion-college on the FR
 
Jesuit-Planned Parenthood on the FR

39 posted on 01/27/2008 7:05:00 PM PST by Coleus (Abortion and Euthanasia, Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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To: Eagles6
Can we imagine, if a coach at a government school showed up at a Republican rally and stated that abortion and embryonic stem cell research are murder and that homosexual acts are intrinsically evil?

I can imagine that. At a government school, a coach will not have to agree to a set of beliefs. I think there would be an immediate push for the coach to be fired. I think the government school would have less grounds to stand on in the firing.

40 posted on 01/27/2008 7:10:16 PM PST by the808bass
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To: sinanju
Maybe it’s me getting cynical as I age, but is there anyone besides myself that thinks Mr. Majerus planned it all out in advance as a kickoff to running for office himself?

Rick has had multiple bypass surgeries and heart attacks. So no.

41 posted on 01/27/2008 11:30:22 PM PST by GOP_Raider (Fred couldn't you have waited until the day after my birthday to drop out?)
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To: John Jorsett

If your personal life causes scandal to your place of employment, they can certainly fire you.


42 posted on 01/28/2008 5:46:06 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: presidio9

“Majerus is not pro-abortion, but he is pro-choice and believes a woman should have the right to choose what to do with her body, and can imagine the many facets of that anguished decision. “

Majerus IS pro-abortion or pro-death if you choose. But pro-choice is not an option because pro-choice in this context means pro-abortion. Can’t have it both ways.


43 posted on 01/28/2008 10:13:01 AM PST by Eternally-Optimistic (anything is possible)
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To: presidio9
"I think religion should be inclusive. I would hope that all people would feel welcome inside a church, and that the church would serve to bring people together, even if they happen to disagree on certain things."

You got it, Coach Majerkski! People should have the right to stand up in church and advocate the joys of adultery, prostitution, incest, wife-swapping, gambling, porn, torturing pets for fun, "intergenerational sex," armed robbery, rape, cons and swindles, polygamy and anything else their little hearts desire, and the church should just shut up and be "tolerant" and "inclusive"!!

If church leaders try to deny these people equal time, they're guilty of not being a "welcoming church".

And oh yeah, I almost forgot. If those sanctimonious religious types try to argue with our wisdom and brilliance, we'll just shut them down by misquoting for the hundred trillionth time the verse about Jesus and the adulterous woman and the stoners, delusionally assuming that this Bible passage has anything at all to do with the right of a church to enforce what its leaders say in public about what is right and what is wrong.

44 posted on 02/01/2008 1:20:19 AM PST by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
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To: Eternally-Optimistic
But pro-choice is not an option because pro-choice in this context means pro-abortion. Can’t have it both ways.

And just what is wrong with having your cake and eating it too?

Who says you can't take any issue that makes you uncomfortable to publicly support, and instead of saying you're for it, just refuse to discuss the actual issue itself, but insist on only talking on and on and on about how you're just supporting "choice" on this issue, and in reality you're actually "personally against" the thing itself?

Who says you can't play games with your conscience?

I'm not saying to stomp your conscience into the dirt with your heel. Rather, a slow poisoning of it is far preferable.

The rhetoric of the "pro-choice on abortion" crowd is truly inspirational. So inspiring that I am moved into taking their logic to heart; to apply their same logic to another issue. After all, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, right?

I'm getting together with a bunch of my buddies to start a new political organization advancing the cause of Men's Reproductive Rights, with our main goal being to decriminalize rape.

Our official motto: "Keep rape safe, legal and rare". Men are all rapists anyway, according to top feminists, so they're going to rape no matter what. Thus the best course of action is to strive to eliminate the unsafe, unsanitary "Back Alley Rapes" that are happening now.

Our official bumper sticker: "Don't like rape? Then don't have one!"

To join our organization, each man must pay $50 to buy a 24-carat gold plated halo, which must be worn at all official events. Around the outside of each halo will be inscribed: "Personally Against Rape". Once we get the law changed, if any raped women rush up to scream at us, we'll just point to the words on our halos and say, "Ah! Ah! Ah! Read it and weep! You can't pin any blame on me. I'm personally against it, just the same as you."

Have no illusions, men. The entrenched opposition will refuse to have a respectful, well reasoned debate with us. Instead, they'll try to drag this whole debate down into the mud, constantly trying to demonize us using hot-button, incendiary, trigger words like "rape". But we refuse to be dragged down into the mud with them, and will keep our side of the debate on a high and lofty level, refusing to even use The R-Word. Really, the debate has nothing to do with rape anyway. It's all about Choice - about our freedoms and liberties as Americans.

Once we get a few male Hollywood stars on our side, the mainstream media will soon follow along and adopt our nomenclature and our arguments. Then everyone will realize that being Pro Choice on Rape is entirely unrelated to being Pro Rape. And we will gradually reframe the words used to define the debate. We'll start with "Pro Choice on Rape" and then move on to just "Pro Choice" period. If they ask us which choice we're referring to, the preferred answer will be "Men's Reproductive Rights". Then we'll lobby for "Nonconsensual Love" or even better, "Not-Necessarily-Consensual Love".

A key to winning our debate will be to reveal to people just where these antiquated anti-rape laws originated - from the Christian's Bible!! Gag me with a spoon! Tell your liberal male friends who are wavering on this issue: "I DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF IGNORANT GOAT HERDERS WHO'VE BEEN DEAD FOR 4,000 YEARS TELLING ME WHAT TO DO WITH MY BODY!!!" Practice yelling this in front of a mirror so you can make your face look as angry as possible without it looking fake. Believe me, this argument will be a slam dunk with liberals. Also try, "IT'S **MY** BODY, DAMMIT!" or, "NO MORE COAT HANGER RAPES!"

Another good slogan is, "We're not doing this for us. We're doing it for our sons and our grandsons, so that their choices will not be taken away". Doing things "for the children" is always a great argument stopper. Who wants to look like they're against children? And never cease to emphasize that your major opponent is organized religion. Confront people with the burning question, "Which side will you stand with? With us for Male Reproductive Rights? Or will you stand with Pat Robertson and Jimmy Swaggart and Jim & Tammy Fay Baker and Ayatollah Khomeini?"

Refuse to be dragged along into totally irrelevant red-herring arguments such as, "Well, women should have rights, too!" This is patently false. WHERE is there any evidence that women are humans? Heck, where do women come from anyway? Let's take a closer look at this: A woman starts out as a one-celled fertilized egg. She divides into 2 cells. Then 4 cells. Then 8 cells. Like, big horky deal, man. So okay, she keeps dividing and dividing and getting bigger and bigger, but so what? She starts out as a small zygote and ends up as a big zygote, but she's still a zygote! Just a big mass of cells is all.

So okay, after 9 months this over-developed zygote moves through a birth canal, goes on to soil thousands of diapers, consumes huge quantites of food, clothes, Barbies and other expensive resources, gets braces, sucks the family bank account dry for a wedding, produces yet another generation of over-developed zygotes, and dies. Can you please tell me just exactly WHERE in this cycle the zygote instantly, magically became a human being? Huh? Can you? C'mon, I dare you. Point out the exact moment. I'm waiting. When and how did it happen? Did Pinocchio's fairy godmother show up and wave her wand, instantly turning the zygote into a human? Gimme a break! You're just propagating the exact same arguments used by the "Pro Life" crowd who try to attach the label "human being" to zygotes, and as everyone knows, the arguments of those Anti Choicers have been completely discredited.

We also need to marshall our troops with stirring chants that raise our morale and demoralize our enemies. For inspiration we look to the Pro Choice On Abortion movement. How many countless times now have we been stirred deep inside while listening in awe to the mesmerizing, brave chants of those brave souls who are bravely standing up to those all-powerful Popes in Rome (the very same tyrants who ran the Spanish Inquisition! Always, ALWAYS mention The Inquisition during arguments of this type) - standing in brave defiance regardless of any consequences that might happen to them for so bravely uttering these brave words of defiance:
    KEEP! YOUR! RO - SA - RIES!
    OFF! OUR! O - VA - RIES!

Oh, it just sends a shuddering thrill down my spine to even type in these brave words. And thus, we of the newly created "Men's Reproductive Rights" movement will use these same brave souls as our inspiration. We will thrust both of our middle fingers high in the air, holding them against each other to form a cross, and bravely shout defiance at that meddlesome Pope ---
    KEEP! YOUR! CRU - CI - FIX!
    OFF! OUR! EFF - IN' PR****!

So who will join with me in this Male Liberation movement?? Be the first to sign up!


Perhaps on September 11, 2011, we'll be hearing: I am "personally against" President Hillary's declaration of martial law and jailing of her political opponents in response to the terrorist nukes, but I support her right to choose to do it! I firmly take a stand for Liberty and Choice - her liberty to make this choice.

45 posted on 02/01/2008 2:31:20 AM PST by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
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