Posted on 01/27/2008 2:54:43 PM PST by Zhang Fei
This would suggest McCain hasn't learned any lessons from the spring other than Americans aren't where he is — though they should be and he'd sign his bill from the spring so many of us opposed if he were president and it passed:
RUSSERT: "If the Senate passed your bill, S.1433, the McCain/Kennedy immigration bill, would you as president sign it?
SEN. MCCAIN: "Yeah. But look, the lesson is, it isn't – one, it isn't going to come. It isn't going to come."
Not going to happen.
You mean like Campaign Finance Reform?
I wonder how McCain would react if a group of Conservative Senators got together to filibuster his Supreme Court nominees.
The video:
http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=19426
Republicans must rise up to defeat McCain as they did to defeat the McCain-Kennedy Amnesty bill.
Remember McCain-Kennedy as you pull the lever for Governor Romney.
I “Will” sit this one out if McLame wins. First since my first vote, for Nixon.
This country must get back to it’s roots. Sorry, Oprah.
I felt like I was on the edge of a cliff with President Bush in office, ready to sign that damned bill if it reached his desk.
That’s all we need, is President McMainiac, ready to sign his favorite amnesty bill if it reaches his desk.
I don’t want to be in a position ever again to have that kind of risk hanging over our country.
My fear is that with the notorious short memory of the American Public.....McCain might sneak past the electorate.
I will personally campaign against him with phone calls and emails to all friends and relatives....
McCain is a classic example of a RINO!!!!
Thats what you get if Florida votes and gives McAmnesty a win. And FLip ROmney can’t be trusted either. Our best hope is the candidate that signed the no amnesty pledge. Huckabee or Ron Paul.
Well at this moment I don’t think McCain will get the nomination....we have several other RINO’s to worry about as it is.....
If for no other reasons I would strongly support a real third party conservative movement....but can you get enough of us to agree on who and what to support....
In all my years as a republican I have never seen such fragmentation within the party....and thats almost frightening to behold
The part of this I find most troubling is that McCain is actually running as a Republican.
all illegals are supporting juan mccain!!!
LOU DOBBS, LOU DOBBS: This is your curtain call. Where are you?
“If McCain is the nominee, I believe we’ll see a massive third-party effort, focused on the immigration issue.”
There isn’t time to get on the ballot in many states, nor money to support such an effort.
It's because the GOP big-wigs have become so enamored with power, they forgot how they got the power they hold. Big-government Republicanism has hurt the party by alienating much of the grassroots.
People talk about the three main Republican groups: national security conservatives, social conservatives and economic conservatives. But they have forgotten about the fourth: leave-me-alone conservatives. Leaving them out of the equation will continue to hurt the party until someone in the mainstream wakes up and starts talking about limited government again.
Just remember that both Senator Ted Kennedy and Senator John Kerry were also among many Democrats from the Massachusetts state legislature who were at the signing of the “RomneyCare Health Care Plan” of Massachusetts. Mitt has his own problems with many conservatives on many issues, and Mitt’s health care plan for Massachusetts is one such problem. I’m still for Mitt despite this, but it’s because he’s my third choice after by first and second choices, Duncan Hunter and Fred Thompson, dropped out of the race.
Or as I write in a real conservative candidate wondering what in the hell happened to my party.
So, if I understand, the “lesson” McCain learned was NOT that his immigration bill is wrong, but that he has to sneak it past the American people because they won’t support it.
Moving the primaries up has opened up a big hole for third-party or independent candidates.
Who will not sign that bill?
Might as well write in Hillary, because that’s who you’ll get if you do that.
“Immigration & McCain (if elected, McCain would sign the amnesty bill he co-sponsored)”
Cannot think of a better reason NOT to nominate or EVER vote for this POS.
I could actually overlook just about all the maddening things McCain has said and done (McCain-Fiengold, aversion to tax cuts, etc.) and vote for him if he won the nomination. But, I can NOT overlook his pro-amnesty agenda. That kills it. I’d never vote for him under any circumstance. It would be the very first time in my life I would withhold my vote from a Republican nominee.
One of the main reasons I initially gravitated to the Republican party during my youth was its strong law-and-order stance. The discovery of so many open-borders types within the Party, willfully ignoring the law, and allowing the country to be overrun by illegals, has been an intensely disturbing thing to me. I don’t mind admitting it.
PS: Lord only knows what Mitt Romney would really do.
I early voted today against the Manchurian candidate.
McCain is doing his very best to down play the McCain-Kennedy Amnesty bill. He never mentions it and does his best when questioned to say it’s wrong to deport an illegal mother of a son fighting in Iraq. The problem is, is that the questioner never follows up with the next question: Senator, who would you deport? The McCain-Kennedy bill would have allowed illegal crimminals and felons to stay and have a path to citizenship.
The media is doing everything possible to keep McCain in the race. These people are lap dogs for his candidancy.
The bottom line: McShame is a disaster waiting to happen for this country! Next to Obama and the bitch, he is just as dangerous.
What’s really strange is that both sides have deep dissatisfactions with their candidates, and the bases of both sides are not happy that “centrists” (ie RINOs and DINOs—in the opinion of the left, mind you) are what we’ve ended up with.
I’m wondering if they got together on some level and decided to see if they-either side-could win while losing their bases. Kind of a test case, to see if they can finally be rid of the need to be accountable to the bases of the respective parties. Because if they find that they can easily win elections without worrying about their bases, it makes things a lot smoother for them. Most of them aren’t about principle over power anyway, and if it works for them this year, they’ll consider themselves forever free of having to be accountable for taking any actual stand on issues. Like immigration-both sides have their reasons for wanting amnesty to go through. I think they got really frustrated when Americans across the board rose up and just howled in protest about that. I think that they’re testing the waters to see if they can run and win without the most active and vocal parts of their respective constituencies, because if they can, it’ll be smooth sailing for them.
I don’t think that they fear a third party, either. I’d like to see them proven wrong about that, but they’re probably right. And at any rate, their far left is so divided on issues from our far right (true conservatives), that they feel safe from any threat on that front.
I think they’ve resented for a while being at all, in however small but important a measure, being beholden to true conservatives (on the right) and the so-called progressives (on the left). I think they see a chance to shed of us on both sides.
Then what do we do, if they’re right?
..sadly "no woman is illegal" Hilda wouldn't stop at amnesty...SCOTUS (probably two nominees)...more Ginsberg's, Health care screwed up to no end, $8 dollar a gallon gas, remember 21% interests rates under carter?....don't even want to think about jihadist and the depletion of our military, and most likely the introduction of the draft because of the mass retirements and discharged....hubby did that with out even trying, cut the military in half...TAXES?...there is so much more to consider and people who don't vote against her ARE HANDING IT TO HER
That’s what I swore I’d do if McCain, Giuliani, or Huckabee wound up being our nominee. But the closer it gets to the nut-crunch, the more I can’t abide the idea of Hillary or Obama in the White House. I hate it with a passion, because if I do what I will have to keep them out-hold my nose and vote for the RINO—they’ll know from then on out that they can take us for granted. We can forget ever having a real voice in the Republican Party again. But I also can’t see-God Forbid-HRC or BO appointing Supreme Court justices. We’re getting amnesty no matter who’s there. The best we can do is hold onto what’s left of protection for the unborn, and protection of the Second Amendment.
I think this was planned.
Romney will not sell us out!
After Fred bailed, I said I’d hold my nose and vote McCain.
Sorry...can’t do it.
This is probably why I would never vote for McCain. I used to dislike the guy, but could probably STILL hold my nose and vote for him against Hillary, but his support for amnesty is the straw that broke the camel’s back.
Now that FRed is gone, I feel generally the same about the rest of the Republican candidates for one reason or another.
Good question. McCain certainly would sign it. Oddly, I'm not sure whether Hillary would, because she needs the support of the labor unions, and they hate it.
Huckabee and Romney MIGHT sign it, or might not, if they thought it was really unpopular.
But it's tough to be sure, because it is supported by the media, the bleeding heart liberals, many Mexicans and Mexican Americans, and on the other side the Chamber of Commerce, Wall Street, and a lot of big businesses.
The thing is, McCain just loves to poke people in the eye, and he also loves it when something is supported by exactly those groups: the media and the moneyed interests.
It might be the best thing to ever happen to the USA.
I saw John McCain today at the town hall meeting in Florida.
John needs to go home and rest, that is if he can defeat Hillary and turn the Country over to a Young Conservative.
What are we looking at in this up coming election.
Which man can defeat Hillary? McCain or Romney?
I hate to say it but, Romney has less chances of defeating Hillary and that leaves the republicans little choice.
Flame me! McCain is getting on in age!! Long in the tooth !!
WIN, MITT, WIN!
>Romney will not sell us out!
That may be a dream. - Listen to him clearly speak on this audio clip about the McCain/Kennedy bill
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/03/16/romneys_words_grow_hard_on_immigration/
This is a live recording of his statements supporting McCain and calling the bill “reasonable.”
Also there is a later audio clip after he decided to run for POTUS where he goes anti McCain.
Sorry, in the absence of any non flipping on the issue, I do not trust him not to stab us right in the back and revert to his original stance.
He has done this on several conservative core issues, every one important.
McCain-fiengold.kennedy.liberman
enough with compromise
I trust Romney...Fred should become his VP!
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I believe you are correct. McCain disdains us.
Excuse me, but Mitt totally came out in support of McCain/Kennedy and said so right on Television.
He even called it “reasonable.” - And you trust that?
Do you want to hear him live or is your mind already closed?
Of course he has recently changed his stance on that...
He signed the first forced health care payment plan and the state forces you to buy it, or the State takes your money from you. - and you trust that?
He supports strong gun control laws and said so on tape and in public. - And you trust that?
He even said that any gay should be allowed to join the Boy Scouts and said that in a public debate. - You trust that?
He strongly supported abortion - not an issue for me - and then after he prepared for a run, reversed his stance on that. Can I trust that?
Don’t get me wrong, were Fred to be on any ticket I would be less unhappy (note I did not say happy) but trust Mitt?
Can’t do it. - and I do not support any of the current crop running for POTUS. - They all suck, to be blunt about it.
Mitt would be a major, nose holding, compromise for me.
BTW, thank you for your reply! - Bill
I feel your pain...however, I do believe that rommney is sincere and best able to beat back the Clinton Machine...Huck can’t do it, mcCain is a RINO who just wants to appeal to the masses, without his resolve to support the Republican platform of Reagan...he has been planning for 2008 as long as Hillery...and sought to get his ticket punced by the left...
Mitt and Gulliani is the best ticket...I just believe he will not betray the conservative principle he is commiting to in this Race for the Republican Party...
I initially was anti morman, because of my Protestant beliefs, his speech on Faith confirmed to me he is a man to be trusted!
Mitt/Rudy??? Oh my God!
I can think of no other combination to totally turn off an entire mass of Southern voters than TWO NE liberals.
Seriously, any GOP platform has to have one person from the South. - Where the demographics are all headed. - and the Electoral votes are.
Heck, by Fl state count, Florida is more populated than NY, although that will not add to the 27 vote count until after the US census.
Now, Mitt/Fred would turn a few heads... although I do not see any attempt to unify the party base as of yet.
Of course that would have to wait a bit :)
Again, thanks and good luck to you. - Bill
Learn Spanish.
Rove himself said that: “The Conservatives will fall in line.”
And although we did not follow orders on their pet immigration bill - which would have pretty much disenfranchised us, no? - the statement does support your thinking on the matter.
Do I think that both sides got together to collude in this matter? No.
But the direction of recent events points that way.
And it up to us to divert that trend, or we are going to become meaningless.
McCain seems to be on a mission to destroy this country.
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