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Mitt Romney:
Champion of Big Government
The Center for Small Government ^
| Carla Howell
Posted on 01/27/2008 4:48:03 PM PST by Tigen
Carla Howell is President of the Center For Small Government and heads the 2008 Massachusetts ballot initiative to END the Income Tax.
Is Mitt Romney the "economic conservative" he claims to be? Especially when it comes to tax and spend policies?
Now that he's running for president, let's compare his words with his deeds.
Taxes
Romney claims to be anti-tax. He even "took" a "no new taxes" pledge when he ran for Governor of Massachusetts in 2002. "Took" is in quotes because he refused to sign that pledge. His signature wasn't necessary, he claimed. He assured us that he's a man of his word.
But Mitt Romney has been a champion of new taxes. Government Spending
Mitt Romney claims to have cut the Massachusetts budget by "$2 billion." Sometimes he claims he cut it "$3 billion." The media gives him free advertising by parroting this myth repeatedly. They repeat it so often that even some libertarians assume it must be true.
But these "cuts" were merely budget games. Spending cuts in one area were simply moved into another area of the budget.
The Romney-Kennedy Alliance
But his grande finale was the worst of all: RomneyCare, Mitt Romney's version of socialized medicine.
By his own admission, he didn't plan his socialized medicine scheme until after the 2002 election.
During Romney's governor campaign, he convinced voters that his Democrat rival would be worse because she would saddle us with socialist tax and spend policies, he said.
But soon after he was elected, Romney started the drumbeat for socialized medicine. Three years later, he signed RomneyCare into law.
Much more there to read!!! Government Spending The Romney-Kennedy Alliance Romney's Words Versus Romney's Deeds
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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; biggovernment; election; elections; mitt; romney; ronpaul
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posted on
01/27/2008 4:48:05 PM PST
by
Tigen
To: Tigen
Carla is a bit of Libertarian/greenie type Moonbat IMHO.
2
posted on
01/27/2008 4:53:53 PM PST
by
acapesket
(never had a vote count in all my years here)
To: acapesket
Romney is a RINO.
McAmnesty is a RINO.
Huckster is a RINO.
Giuliani is a RINO.
Let’s destroy all the GOP candidates and let Hillary become Queen...Shall We?
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posted on
01/27/2008 4:58:00 PM PST
by
DWar
(The perfect is the enemy of the excellent!!)
To: Tigen
Hello to the new boss...same as the old boss.
How are we to escape from this? By the time we figure out how will there be enough of the America most of us grew up in to bother? Financial slave to China, intimidated by Islamic lunatics and punked by Mexico...this is NOT what the United States should be!
To: Tigen
Romney is still the best man for the job when you consider who is left.
5
posted on
01/27/2008 4:59:27 PM PST
by
RC2
To: Tigen
I don't trust any of the remaining Republican candidates to cut taxes, keep the country free of socialized health care, and continue to fight terror. The sole exception being Ron Paul, and he is an isolationist. What's left strikes me as a bunch of RINO's.
I call it the Benedict Ahnuld Shwartzen-liar-afication of the Republican party.
6
posted on
01/27/2008 5:00:20 PM PST
by
Nachum
To: Tigen
7
posted on
01/27/2008 5:00:25 PM PST
by
Lily4Jesus
( Jesus Saves)
To: Tigen
To: Tigen
Hucksters are busy people. Hucks problem isn’t Romney.
It is Huckabee.
9
posted on
01/27/2008 5:03:08 PM PST
by
indylindy
(Don't even ask me to vote for McCain, Rudy, or Huckster.)
To: Lily4Jesus
This thread is probably from the McQueeg campaign.
To: Tigen
11
posted on
01/27/2008 5:04:24 PM PST
by
rlmorel
(Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
To: Tigen
Your man Huck has tanked. Notice how he hasn’t gotten ANY ink - negative OR positive - over the last week.
The MSM done loved him and leaved him.
12
posted on
01/27/2008 5:04:27 PM PST
by
txflake
(Yes there were WMDs /Romney '08 / Yes you will vote against Clinton)
To: Tigen
Must it always be attacks and criticisms of our own candidates???
That’s so ... Clinton.
To: acapesket
Carla A. Howell (born 1955) is an American Libertarian politician.
She was the Massachusetts Libertarian Party candidate in the race for U.S. Senate in 2000
She ran for Governor of Massachusetts in 2002. In the race won by Mitt Romney, Howell finished 4th with 23,044 votes for 1.05% of the total vote.
Carla Howell is a great-granddaughter of the Honorable William Eustis Russell, a Democrat elected Governor of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and a granddaughter of 1950s Boston socialite Margaret Russell Howell.
14
posted on
01/27/2008 5:06:16 PM PST
by
kcvl
To: RC2
I agree he is a moderate conservative. The other three are liberal conservative ... possibly just plain liberals. If we are going to vote conservative, there is only one in this field. Otherwise go ahead and vote for Hillary ... and never complain again!
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posted on
01/27/2008 5:07:49 PM PST
by
K-oneTexas
(I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
To: DWar
Romney is a RINO.
McAmnesty is a RINO.
Huckster is a RINO.
Giuliani is a RINO.
Lets destroy all the GOP candidates and let Hillary become Queen...Shall We?
I was just thinkin’ to myself earlier that maybe the GOP deserves to burn down. Maybe, just maybe, by 2012 we’ll find someone that will remember what the constitution is all about.
Not holding my breath, though!
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posted on
01/27/2008 5:07:56 PM PST
by
jamndad5
("I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.")
To: Tigen
I gave a serious look at Carla Howell when she ran here for Governor several years ago.
The lady is flat out crazy.
On the other hand, the health care plan mandated by the State, and approved by Mitt Romney is also crazy.
I wish that he never signed that Bill, but he did.
Lucky for him that the other viable candidates are simply more awful in many more ways.
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posted on
01/27/2008 5:08:55 PM PST
by
Radix
(If your outgo exceeds your income, your upkeep will be your downfall.)
To: RC2
Romney is still the best man for the job when you consider who is left.
Not much of a reason to vote for someone.
To: Tigen
Carla Howell
On the issues
Neither subsidize nor penalize; neither condemn nor condone. (Sep 2000)
Death penalty OK morally; but dont trust govt to do it. (Oct 2000)
Drug prohibition makes crime profitable. (Jan 2000)
Shes the Peace candidate in the War on Drugs. (Apr 2000)
Be scared of the Drug War more than scared of drugs. (Jan 2000)
No federal money for education, and no federal rules. (Sep 2000)
Interventionist foreign policy IS the problem. (Sep 2000)
Let goods cross borders freely and troops wont have to. (Sep 2000)
Allow open trade with China. (Jan 2000)
Military intervention makes things worse. (Sep 2000)
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posted on
01/27/2008 5:11:25 PM PST
by
kcvl
To: Tigen
Romney could never, ever be the big government advocate Clinton and Obama are, even if he worked at it 24/7.
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posted on
01/27/2008 5:12:27 PM PST
by
popdonnelly
(Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
To: jamndad5
I was just thinkin to myself earlier that maybe the GOP deserves to burn down. Maybe, just maybe, by 2012 well find someone that will remember what the constitution is all about That is EXACTLY what I heard from some Repubicans when Klinton was running for his first term.
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posted on
01/27/2008 5:13:30 PM PST
by
Nachum
To: DWar
“Lets destroy all the GOP candidates and let Hillary become Queen...Shall We?”
Uh, No.
Let’s go with the least Rinoey of the RINO’s. Romney.
Try to get him to see the light, he has hinted about Fred Thompson as VP. That is a damn good sign.
And far far preferrable to McPain.
We must NEVER give up ground to the backstab the troops democrats.
Look, I am not thrilled either ok?
But this is the path. Like it or not.
To: DWar
If allowed, that is exactly what these fools are going to do.
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posted on
01/27/2008 5:14:49 PM PST
by
Gator113
(Romney - 2008)
To: Nachum
Speak Up!
Now is the time to sort things out.
By Mark R. Levin
As I understand Victor Davis Hansons position, those of us who believe John McCain will cause severe damage to the conservative movement and the Republican party should hush up, or at least calm down, for this electoral juggernaut, who has managed to get 33 percent of the vote in South Carolina (despite backing by most of the establishment there) and is strong on the war in Iraq. And if we continue to bring attention to those issues that concern us which are not insignificant to anyone who has worked in conservative circles for nearly 40 years then we will destroy the party and Hillary Clinton will win, thereby losing the war on terror. VDH is neither the first nor will he be the last to make this case.
With all due respect, this is absurd on many levels. If John McCain is nominated and loses, it is because he doesnt appeal to enough Americans, including the base that he has repeatedly betrayed (as Thomas Sowell puts it) over a long period of time. The suggestion that McCain and McCain alone is capable of fighting this war, given his experience, seems to be the core of the concern. Let me suggest that VDH and others who make this claim are wrong.
McCain never treated Bill Cohen, Clintons defense secretary, with the kind of personal animus he showed Donald Rumsfeld. McCain often confuses policy with personality affronts. He was social friends with Cohen so he didnt admonish him about his hollowing out of the military. His attacks on Rumsfeld started before his disagreement over the surge. Their personalities clashed. And as before, McCain wanted to get even. The fact that he was right on the surge, which has now evolved into mythical proportions with the help of his campaign and supporters, goes high on the credit side of the ledger.
You ask, in essence, that we ignore McCains leadership in the amnesty debate and his course reversal of recent months as he seeks votes. What does this tell us about the man? The bill he co-authored with Ted Kennedy (and which was foolishly supported by the current president) would have caused enormous economic and cultural dislocations. (VDH doesnt need lectures from me on the subject, since hes written eloquently on it.)
As the Heritage Foundation and many others pointed out at the time, the McCain-led effort would have resulted in tens of millions of new illegal aliens coming to the country with the likelihood of eventually receiving citizenship; the expedited bankruptcy of major entitlement programs, including Social Security; and the imposition of massive new costs on state and private enterprises, from schools and hospitals to law enforcement.
McCains bill would have made it impossible for the already hapless federal government to properly conduct criminal background checks before issuing probationary Z-visas to 12-20 million illegal aliens already in the country. And every effort to amend his bill to prevent gang members, terrorists, and others from receiving these visas was opposed by McCain. He also voted for the Specter amendment, which provided that the government of Mexico, among others, would have to be consulted before building physical barriers along the southern border. Six months later, McCain says he was wrong.
He gets it now. Secure the border first. I dont believe him. And as others have pointed out here and elsewhere, he still supports amnesty despite claiming otherwise. The American people said hell no! It wasnt that long ago that he suggested they were motivated by racial animus rather than good thinking. No, VDH, if McCain loses its because of his own failings.
It bothers me to no end that those who write so eloquently about national security ask that we downplay McCains record on border security, given that 9/11 hijackers used our still-broken immigration policies and unsecured borders to attack us. But they would also have us all but ignore McCains zealous attack against our homeland-security measures.
Joining with the most irresponsible voices in and out of government, McCain spent weeks, if not months, condemning the detention of alien unlawful combatants (a.k.a. terrorists) at Guantanamo Bay. Of course, the reason they are detained overseas and not within the United States goes back to the 1950 Supreme Court decision Johnson v. Eisentrager. Justice Robert Jackson, writing for the Court, wrote, in part:
We are cited to no instance where a court in this or any other country where the writ [of habeas corpus] is known, has issued it on behalf of an alien enemy who, at no relevant time and in no stage of his capacity, has been within its territorial jurisdiction.
Since 2004, the Supreme Court has been irresponsibly chipping away at Eisentrager, but it still has some teeth. If a president were to bring the detainees to the United States our ability to interrogate them would be severely hampered as they would like be afforded the full array of due process rights that were never intended to apply to terrorists at a time of war. This is stunningly irresponsible.
Moreover, failing in his campaign to close Guantanamo Bay, McCain has led the effort to confer constitutional and international rights on the enemy where they now sit. And his muddled thinking as applies to interrogations comparing water-boarding to torture (a rarely used technique that has, in fact, saved American lives according to our nations top intelligence official) makes it difficult for any interrogator to do his job without concern for his career and financial well-being, given the litigation and congressional hearings that are the favorite tactics of the antiwar Left.
How can it be said, therefore, that John McCain is the best of the lot to lead this war against terrorism when he appears to have no clue how to fight this enemy on home territory? And yet, that is precisely one of the reasons this enemy is different from past enemies.
There are other reasons to speak out now, and loudly, against a McCain candidacy before it is too late for the movement and the party. Do we conservatives believe in the Constitution or not? Do we believe in as much open political speech as possible or not? The McCain supporters rightly point out that free speech has never been a pure principle.
But wild swings of change, aimed at empowering the federal government (or more particularly, incumbent politicians) against citizen activism prior to an election, is exceedingly imprudent. And prudence is a hallmark of conservative thought, or at least used to be. McCain-Feingold is without question the greatest assault on free political speech since Buckley v. Valeo, and is far more draconian.
And, once again, McCains rhetoric as its leading advocate was dishonest. He repeatedly used the word corruption to describe those forces who aligned against his effort. As with Rumsfeld, he targeted a member of the Federal Election Commission, Bradley Smith, for disdain and worse. McCain filed a brief in the Supreme Court with several Democrats against the Wisconsin Right to Life organization challenging its right to run informative ads prior to an election. Wisconsin Right to Life won.
Ironically, as best I can tell, this is the most aggressive action he has taken in all his years in Washington on the right-to-life issue, which probably explains why the vast majority of these groups have endorsed other candidates. The point is that McCains easy disregard of first principles, in this case political speech, runs deep with many conservatives and is not easily downplayed. (And the fact that President Bush signed the bill is no justification.)
Much has been written about the three legs of the conservative movement and how Mike Huckabees campaign has resonated with the family-values folks. Well, he doesnt appear to have won over a majority of those voters. But Ill leave that for another day. Much has been written about the national-security leg of the movement, including by VDH (albeit with its selective attention to aspects of the McCain record). But not enough attention is given to the economic leg, which has much to be concerned about in McCain. Some define McCains as a spending hawk for his efforts in ending earmarks and opposition to certain spending programs. But the McCain record is much more than that.
As mentioned earlier, the McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill was among the most irresponsible and reckless budgetary and economic legislative efforts of all time. Moreover, McCain has repeatedly demanded that federal power be used to tame perfectly legitimate private enterprises, from energy and pharmaceutical companies, to media companies and anything else he considers corrupt or the enemy or what have you. And as I first noted here, McCains claim during recent debates that he opposed the 2001/2003 Bush tax cuts because Congress refused to cut spending is highly misleading. Time and again McCain resorted to class warfare propaganda, asserting that he opposed the tax cuts because they favored the rich.
He has embraced the same approach in the McCain-Kennedy-Edwards bill, a phony patients bill of rights that would essentially empower further the trial bar to sue insurance companies and other businesses involved in the provision of health care, including employers. And his re-importation of drugs position, which he claims will reduce the cost of prescriptions in our country, comes straight from Hillary Clintons heath-care task force. He would drive much needed research and development from those American companies that are inventing and producing most of the worlds life-saving and life-extending drugs.
McCains position on the environment is every bit as radical as any of the most liberal Democrats in the Senate. He would empower the federal government to regulate and tax the private sector in ways that it has never before. He is convinced that man is responsible for global warming, such as it is, and consequently the federal government must act to control man. McCain has proposed everything from a massive database of carbon emitters, capping carbon emissions, trading carbon emissions, taxing carbon emissions, and so forth.
Of course, like most big-government politicians, little concern is paid to the Constitution or economic outcomes, including forcing more smoke-stack industries and their jobs offshore. Respecting the all important issue of the federal judicial: For those who are interested Andy McCarthy and I wrote about McCains role in perpetrating the judicial filibusters at some length Friday.
John McCain fancies himself a modern Theodore Roosevelt. Hes more like a modern-day Franklin Roosevelt. He knows most of his record is unappealing to conservatives, so he goes from state to state, stressing that which he thinks will help him with a particular electorate. He emphasized global warming in New Hampshire, changed course on illegal immigration in New Hampshire, Michigan, and South Carolina, and, of course, spoke of his support for the war in all places, which is important to all Republicans.
No, now is not the time to be quiet. Now is the time to sort things out. Now is the time for fellow conservatives to speak out. And if John McCain loses, my good Professor Hanson, it will be precisely because of his record, not because his record is known.
One last thing: Why is it assumed that Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, or Fred Thompson would be inferior commanders-in-chief? McCain heroically led a squadron, but he was never in military leadership. Thats not to put him down in this regard, but to make clear the limits of McCains non-POW/non-fighter pilot experience. McCains activism for a surge has been underscored as evidence of his leadership and judgment on national-security matters. (I have pointed to other issues that provided, I believe, a broader view). But weve had great leaders whove had little military experience, the most obvious being Abraham Lincoln.
While there have been some rhetorical missteps on the campaign trail, Romney, Giuliani, and Thompson have been quite clear about their intentions of taking a hard line in dealing with terrorism and prosecuting a global war. Im not saying any are Lincoln. I am saying that even when criticizing certain aspects of the war (as McCain has), nothing suggests theyd be weak leaders. (Huckabee is another story.)
Hes right, you know.
Mr. McCain is undoubtedly a war hero, but he is no conservative. He is barely a Republican.
Mr. McCain has been an obstructionist of the conservative cause throughout his career in the Senate.
And his nomination would spell the end of the Reagan coalition and probably of the GOP.
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posted on
01/27/2008 5:16:38 PM PST
by
factmart
To: Tigen
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posted on
01/27/2008 5:18:02 PM PST
by
Libloather
(January is Liberal Awareness Month.)
To: Tigen
I will support whoever wins but I’m having trouble feeling all warm and fuzzy with anyone now that Fred is gone. I know I don’t want McCain, {how many times has he cut our throat, I lost count}
To: Tigen
You all know we have access to the Internet and we can research this for ourselves, right?
It is the Dems who you can feed any old lie you like and expect them to accept it.
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posted on
01/27/2008 5:19:15 PM PST
by
elizabetty
("Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm." .Ralph Waldo Emerson)
To: Tigen
Well, at least Huckabee’s gone.
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posted on
01/27/2008 5:20:41 PM PST
by
Rudder
To: elizabetty
This gal doesn’t have one foot in reality.
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posted on
01/27/2008 5:20:52 PM PST
by
stocksthatgoup
(Number1FredHeadSwitch2Mitt)
To: DWar
All RINO's, agreed.
With that said,
Shamnesty will become law,
the southern border will remain wide open,
we will not pay down the debt nor balance the budget,
we will continue the march towards Socialism,
taxes will go up
and pot smokers and the like supplies will remain constant.
The NWO folk have set it up just for that.
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posted on
01/27/2008 5:21:28 PM PST
by
RSmithOpt
(Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
To: DWar; jamndad5; NewRomeTacitus; Nachum
Lets destroy all the GOP candidates and let Hillary become Queen...Shall We?They destroyed themselves.
To: factmart
I appreciate the words, but posting them all here is kind of spamming because they aren’t directly related to the thread. I’m sure that was posted, so maybe a link to the original post, and your favorite quotes.
I’m not the thought police, this is just a suggestion for the future.
To: Names Ash Housewares
I agree. I should have ended that post with /s
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posted on
01/27/2008 5:36:07 PM PST
by
DWar
(The perfect is the enemy of the excellent!!)
To: Nachum
“That is EXACTLY what I heard from some Repubicans when Klinton was running for his first term”.
Then along came 1994. Where is THAT desire that the GOP had when we kicked the snot outta Billy Jeff. We seem to be back to the SNL scene with Will Ferrell, and the other cast member who’s name escapes me. It was right after Gingrich was ran out, and he’s at the bar with the other Republican, and they’re asking each other over the booze. “What the hell happened”?
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posted on
01/27/2008 5:41:40 PM PST
by
jamndad5
("I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.")
To: K-oneTexas
Exactly. I think the problem with Republicans is that they’re always looking for someone who is ideologically pure with a one hundred percent conservative bent on every issue. That’s impossible. We need to stop whining about how Fred Thompson or another conservative is not in the field, and deal with what we have.
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posted on
01/27/2008 6:05:58 PM PST
by
dowcaet
To: DWar
“I agree. I should have ended that post with /s”
Looking back, yeah I jumped the gun.
getting hard to tell around here sometimes.
But your point is taken well.
There are people that actually want Hillary to win as “punishment” for republican sins against conservatism.
This of course is irrational, and not how we move the party back towards conservatism.
To: Lijahsbubbe; DWar; jamndad5; NewRomeTacitus; Nachum
"Lets destroy all the GOP candidates and let Hillary become Queen...Shall We?" They destroyed themselves.
Hey, DWar, let's keep the Republican ship sailing on the course that got us into this shoals in the first place (I was a full participant and I take responsibility for all the RINOs I bended over for in past elections) so that when the ship finally founders as it surely will on its present course, the GOP gets the blame and as an added bonus, completely cuts off its future supply of new Republicans who want a real alternative to Liberalism and the RINOs we keep electing year after year after year after year after year after year after year who have made it no alternative at all.
I'm willing to risk letting Hillary become Queen because I think the odds are HUGE that she will be a hated and despised queen QUICKLY, be battled by fellow Democrats and Republicans alike in her every move or proposal, and make people hate the Democrat party and all it stands for. As an added bonus, that risk could pay off well in helping the GOP Elites face the fact that I and many others learned something from Arnold Schwarzenegger. I fell all the more sheepish for the ire I wrongly directed at folks who voted for Idiot Ross Perot -- Clinton didn't get in because of them, he got in because the GOP Elites nominated Bob Dole.
It's not my fault if you haven't figured that out -- hell, it took me year. I am choosing to jump this foundering ship because I am thoroughly convinced that the odds, as bad as they may be, are better elsewhere.
More precisely, the ONLY THING I CAN DO to try to make the ship change course, is to "jump ship" by refraining completely from supporting ANY of the current contenders, Romney included. B.S. (Before Schwarzenegger), I would likely have voted for him holding my nose. But this is A.S. for me.
Like Lija said, the GOP will have destroyed itself. DWar, when you say "Let's destroy ..." I say, "Speak for yourself, pal."
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posted on
01/27/2008 6:26:46 PM PST
by
Finny
(FOX News: "We report only what we like. You decide based on what we decide.")
To: Finny
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posted on
01/27/2008 6:29:40 PM PST
by
Rome2000
(Peace is not an option)
To: Finny
Exactly. BTW, I feel no obligation or loyalty to the Republican party.
They are supposed to do for us. Not us do for them. We put them in their plum positions.
I have loyalty to my country and family, not the GOP.
And with the GOP’s support of illegals, shipping out jobs, and taking more of me and my family’s money, they have shown me that they are not for me and my country, but against me, and for themselves.
To: Finny
When the GOP gets back to being conservative, then I will vote for their candidates.
Unlike ALL Of the Congressional Republicans who have endorsed MYTH, I don't work for the GOP, I don't get a pension from Congress, and I get no perks from the Federal Bureaucracy
They could give a damn about conservatives and MYTH is the worst of the RINOS because he will say or do anything to get elected and is totally untrustworthy, no one knows what his position on any issue will be in the next 12-24 months.
Screw that.
Let the socialists take the blame for nationalized health care, tax increases, an assault weapons ban, surrender in the WOT.
We would get the same from MYTH
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posted on
01/27/2008 6:37:43 PM PST
by
Rome2000
(Peace is not an option)
To: Tigen
**Mitt Romney: Champion of Big Government**
And Champion of flip-flops. So many of them that he wins the gold.
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posted on
01/27/2008 6:38:42 PM PST
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: Names Ash Housewares
No, not "punishment." That's YOUR interpretation of it, rather like the pet who thinks he's being "punished" when his owners go on a trip without him. "Punishment" has nothing to do with it. It's our sole remaining option to get the party to change course before it's too late and the line between Democrat and Republican is so blurred that the Republican party will disappear completely -- and with it, American freedom ....
.... like the freedom Romney wants to remove with regard to health care choices, the freedom Romney has fought where individuals and employers might discriminate against the homosexual lifestyle if we please, our freedom Romney would soundly stomp and extinguish to reject or support the "global warming" hoax as we see fit with our own choices in cars, food, energy consumption, light bulbs -- rather than have it forced on us by a benevolent we-know-what's-best-for-you government.
You are in denial if you think that Romney or any of the other contenders aren't equal to Hillary in disrespect for freedom. I will not be part of electing Romney as a Republican president. I will try to be part of preventing it.
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posted on
01/27/2008 6:40:37 PM PST
by
Finny
(FOX News: "We report only what we like. You decide based on what we decide.")
To: dowcaet; Finny
I think the problem with Republicans is that theyre always looking for someone who is ideologically pure with a one hundred percent conservative bent on every issue. Thats impossible. We need to stop whining about how Fred Thompson or another conservative is not in the field, and deal with what we have.
Oh c'mon "dowcaet-since-1-20-2008"" we're doin' good to find a 45 percent conservative.
BTW, I'm really getting tired of you cheap-butt people coming on FR to shill for your candidate. Take out an ad instead of riding on the backs of people who have supported FR for years.
To: Rome2000
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posted on
01/27/2008 6:41:18 PM PST
by
Finny
(FOX News: "We report only what we like. You decide based on what we decide.")
To: Lijahsbubbe
Amen. It’s not about punishment or “teaching ‘em a lesson,” it’s about changing course if we can.
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posted on
01/27/2008 6:52:16 PM PST
by
Finny
(FOX News: "We report only what we like. You decide based on what we decide.")
To: Lijahsbubbe
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Top 10 RINOs (Republicans in Name Only)
Posted: 12/27/2005
Ranked by the editors of Human Events.
1. Sen. Lincoln Chafee (R.I.) Once approached by Democratic Leader Harry Reid to switch parties, Chafee has long supported liberal policies. He backs legal abortion, gay rights, federal-funded health care, strict environmental protections and a higher minimum wage. Opposes ANWR drilling. Also was the only Republican in Congress not to endorse the President’s reelection and one of three who tried to gut Bush’s tax cuts.
2. Sen. Olympia Snowe (Maine) A self-described “centrist,” Snowe scored a 100% pro-choice voting record as scored by NARAL and consistently votes with Democrats on social issues.
3. Sen. Arlen Specter (Pa.) “Snarlin’ Arlen” warned Bush not to nominate judges who might overturn Roe v. Wade, joined Chaffee reducing tax cuts and supported Democrats on the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, HMO and overtime regulation. Also opposed school choice in Washington, D.C.
4. Sen. Susan Collins (Maine) Voted with liberals on the 1999 tax cut, campaign finance reform and the partial-birth abortion ban. Also advocated “pay-as-you-go” tax cuts with spending increases in 2004, leading to a budget never agreed upon between the House and Senate.
5. Rep. Christopher Shays (Conn.) He led the House fight for McCain-Feingold campaign finance “reform.” He’s also prone to back environmental causes, gun control and abortion rights. He had no GOP challenger in 2004, but narrowly escaped defeat, 52% to 48%, by a Democratic opponent in the general election.
6. Gov. George Pataki (N.Y.) Helped unions raise pay and unionize Indian casinos. Has said, “I believe in a limited government, low taxes, a tough approach to crime. ... But I also believe in an activist government. I’m not one of those laissez-faire types.”
7. Rep. Sherwood Boehlert (N.Y.) Over the course of his 23-year career, he’s gained considerable power (chairman of the Science Committee), despite amassing one of the most liberal voting records of any House Republican. Fought back conservative challengers in 2000 and 2002 and could face a GOP challenge in ’06.
8. Gov. Mitt Romney (Mass.) Has said, “I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country.” Supports civil unions and stringent gun laws. After visiting Houston, he criticized the city’s aesthetics, saying, “This is what happens when you don’t have zoning.”
9. Rep. Michael Castle (Del.) As president of the moderate Republican Main Street Partnership and key player in the so-called Tuesday Group lunches, he is a ring-leader of RINOs. He’s teamed with Democrats to make federal funding of embryonic stem cell research one of his top priorities.
10. Rep. Jim Leach (Iowa) One of only six House Republicans to vote against the Iraq War resolution in 2002, he was also the only Republican to vote against President Bush’s 2003 tax cuts. His support for environmental causes and abortion rights has won him liberal fans.
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posted on
01/27/2008 6:53:55 PM PST
by
Rome2000
(Peace is not an option)
To: Tigen
You know the GOP is in shambles when anyone ever elected as governor of Massachusetts or Mayor of New York is considered by many likely voters to be a conservative.
I refuse to believe that. This party is going to get pasted in November if Romney is nominated.
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posted on
01/27/2008 6:57:02 PM PST
by
AlGone2001
(He's not a baby anymore...)
To: Rome2000
Pathetic. And there are many more.
Like I said, people have it backwards. I’m paying them, they’re not paying me.
To: popdonnelly
"Romney could never, ever be the big government advocate Clinton and Obama are, even if he worked at it 24/7." Wrong. He actually got socialized health care passed into law. That's the rub. He's very efficient at getting things done. Sometimes the wrong things.
49
posted on
01/27/2008 6:59:22 PM PST
by
CowboyJay
(Mittens... You lost me at 'man-dates'. Just say no to RiNO's.)
To: Rome2000
I noticed the geographic them of the list of RINOs.
There have been a few from the south, but they don’t come close to comparing to those on the list.
Zell Miller was way more conservative than all of them put together.
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posted on
01/27/2008 7:00:39 PM PST
by
AlGone2001
(He's not a baby anymore...)
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