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Two European Deaths Thought to Be Associated with HPV Vaccine
LifeSiteNews ^ | 1/28/08 | Hilary White

Posted on 01/28/2008 4:41:18 PM PST by wagglebee

January 28, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Two women have died shortly after receiving the new vaccine for human papilloma virus (HPV) that is being used in massive vaccination programmes in Europe. The European Medicines Agency (EMEA) did not disclose the women's names, but has reported that the deaths occurred in Austria and Germany.

The agency, which acts as the European Union drug overseer, maintains that "benefits of Gardasil continue to outweigh its risks and that no changes to its product information are necessary." An estimated 1.5 million women have already been vaccinated with the drug in Europe, the agency said.

"No causal relationship has been established between the deaths of the young women and the administration of Gardasil," the EMEA statement said.

The drug that will be distributed in mandatory public health programmes in Britain has been implicated in the deaths of three women in the US. Marketed by the pharmaceutical giant Merck Frosst, Gardasil is a vaccine against HPV, the sexually transmitted infection that is known to cause most cases of cervical cancer.

Gardasil's approval by the US Food and Drug Administration was based on the testing of only a few thousand patients, only a small portion of whom (1200) were young girls, aged 9-13 years. This age, group, however, is now being specifically targeted for mandatory vaccination programmes, including one by the province of Ontario.

The group Judicial Watch reported last year on the deaths of three US women related to the vaccine. One physician's assistant reported that a female patient "died of a blood clot three hours after getting the Gardasil vaccine." Two other reports, on girls 12 and 19, reported deaths relating to heart problems and/or blood clotting.

In the US, the company dropped its lobbying efforts to have the drug used in nation-wide immunization programmes after opposition grew from medical groups.

Side effects published by Merck & Co. warn the public about potential pain, fever, nausea, dizziness and itching after receiving the vaccine. Other more serious side effects reported include paralysis, Bells Palsy, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, and seizures.

The US National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) warned last year that "Merck and the FDA have not been completely honest with the people about the pre-licensure clinical trials."

NVIC president Barbara Loe Fisher said in February 2007, "Merck's pre and post-licensure marketing strategy has positioned mass use of this vaccine by pre-teens as a morality play in order to avoid talking about the flawed science they used to get it licensed. This is not just about teenagers having sex, it is also about whether Gardasil has been proven safe and effective for little girls."

Read related LifeSiteNews.com coverage:

Judicial Watch Uncovers Three Deaths Relating to HPV Vaccine
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/may/07052501.html

Merck Drug Company Drops Campaign for Mandatory HPV Vaccine
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/feb/07022109.html

Support for HPV Vaccine Gardasil Helps Planned Parenthood Says LDI President
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/oct/07101807.html



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hpv; hpvvaccine; moralabsolutes
And there is still not a bit of data about what will happen in a decade when these girls start trying to have children.
1 posted on 01/28/2008 4:41:20 PM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 01/28/2008 4:41:39 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Gabz

Ping


3 posted on 01/28/2008 4:42:03 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

So true. Thanks for posting. I have an acquaintance at my son’s gym that will fall for any of this junk...the pill, RU486, HPV vacc....I’ll be taking this to her.


4 posted on 01/28/2008 4:54:24 PM PST by kimmie7 (this year i will turn ffff....ffo........foooort.........i can't say it. i'll just be 20. twice.)
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To: kimmie7

Just look at past “wonder drugs” like thalidomide, Vioxx and Phen-fen.


5 posted on 01/28/2008 4:58:55 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Every vaccine has deaths associated with it. Some people are alergic to the medium. Some people are fatally alergic to other things as well, so allergies are not something that are limiited to vaccines. I suspect that these particular women were not alergic, however, because it states that the deaths cannot be causally tied to the vaccine.


6 posted on 01/28/2008 5:00:28 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

Then perhaps it would be wise to figure out which groups of people a vaccine WILL KILL so they can be exempted when it is made mandatory.


7 posted on 01/28/2008 5:01:59 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

It shouldn’t be mandatory. It should be voluntary. But I can see why they would want to encourage people to get it. HPV is also a serious health problem, and it is nearly ubiquitous. You don’t even have to have sex to get it.


8 posted on 01/28/2008 5:11:58 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

Can you post a link that demonstrates that HPV can be transmitted non-sexually?


9 posted on 01/28/2008 5:14:43 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Probably, but I don’t know of one. I heard it on TV on the Health Channel.


10 posted on 01/28/2008 5:25:39 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

I know that women without HPV get cervical cancer (which the vaccine DOES NOT PREVENT), but I am unaware of HPV being anything other than sexually transmitted. And I certainly don’t expect the Health Channel to be an unbiased source.


11 posted on 01/28/2008 5:28:35 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Brilliant

Everything I’ve seen says sexually transmitted:
http://www.cdc.gov/std/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm
http://www.ashastd.org/hpv/hpv_learn_fastfacts.cfm
http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/healthscience/healthtopics/human_papillomavirus/transmission.htm
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/hpv.html
http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/hpv-genital-warts/default.htm


12 posted on 01/28/2008 5:31:02 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

It’s definitely sexually transmitted. However, this TV show discussed the disease in detail, and the expert who was interviewed made a statement to the effect that, “In fact, you don’t even have to have sex to get it.”

She stated that physical contact short of sex could do it.


13 posted on 01/28/2008 5:35:10 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant
She stated that physical contact short of sex could do it.

Got it, they're using the BJ Klintoon definition of sex.

14 posted on 01/28/2008 5:36:45 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
I know I posted this before but my 12 year old’s Pediatrician wanted to give her this shot. I fired her.
15 posted on 01/28/2008 5:40:39 PM PST by angcat (“we don’t need Bill Clinton running around the White House with nothing to do”.)
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To: wagglebee

Possibly so.


16 posted on 01/28/2008 5:40:51 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: wagglebee; grellis; xsmommy; tioga; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; SoftballMominVA; Amelia; metmom; ...

MOM ping..........

They ban things in the US that have less potential harm than this drug, yet they are mandating it for our daughters????


17 posted on 01/28/2008 5:46:45 PM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Gabz

“They ban things in the US that have less potential harm than this drug, yet they are mandating it for our daughters?”

Yep. Like Secondhand Smoke. (I just pinged ya to another thread.)


18 posted on 01/28/2008 5:48:50 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Gabz
They ban things in the US that have less potential harm than this drug, yet they are mandating it for our daughters?

Yeah, isn't that funny? Not mandated here, fortunately, even for public school students. My doctor mentioned it when I had one of the girls in for a camp physical, and I said, "No, thanks." She knows I don't go for shots that aren't for big stuff like meningitis. I haven't even gotten the two little boys chicken pox shots, since we don't have a younger baby to worry about.

19 posted on 01/28/2008 5:49:39 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Gently alluding to the indisputably obvious is not gloating." ~Richard John Neuhaus)
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To: Brilliant

This is correct. People have been diagnosed with HPV in their mouths, throat, eyes, etc. I would also point out the sad fact that many women were victims of sexual abuse and assault during childhood/teen years. If only consensual sex were the only problems our children were faced with. :(


20 posted on 01/28/2008 5:50:38 PM PST by TNdandelion
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To: Brilliant; wagglebee

IOW, it is NOT casually transmitted. What is the incidence of transmission through nonsexual contact?

The problem with this whole thing is that cervical cancer is not that common to begin with. Only a portion of cervical cancer is believed to be connected to certain strains of HPV. While it appears that the vaccine is capable of immunizing against those specific strains, it is not yet shown that it does indeed prevent cervical cancer from developing. It is inferred that the vaccine should help reduce the incidence of HPV *caused* cancers, but since cervical cancer takes so long to develop, there’s no evidence that it actually does what it’s intended to do. The vaccine has not been around long enough.

Not to mention that cervical cancer can be picked up easily with a simple, quick routine PAP smear.

One of the problems with this vaccine is that it is going to give women a false sense of security. This will not prevent the spread of other sexually transmitted diseases and will not eliminate the need for PAP tests to detect the other types of cervical cancer. Lest you think that that kind of mindset is not going to happen, it already has as evidenced by a female politician who had her daughter vaccinated and proudly proclaimed that now she doesn’t have to worry about her daughter dying from cervical cancer.
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Pol has plan to nix cervical cancer
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1782347/posts

“”This is a revolutionary opportunity to eradicate a disease that kills many, many women. As a mom, I’m grateful my daughter will not have to fear having cervical cancer,” said Paulin, whose 18-year-old daughter just received her first shot.”
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The other issue is that this vaccine is supposed to prevent unnecessary deaths from cervical cancer. Every unnecessary death from the vaccine nullifies one death from the cancer.

This disease can have serious consequences no doubt, BUT it is not an epidemic that is easily transmitted and so requires, or justifies,the drastic steps taken so far in implementing the vaccine.


21 posted on 01/28/2008 5:57:20 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; Gabz
And if it were a dangerous epidemic, wouldn't it make sense to vaccinate males too? They're half the transmission vectors, even if they can't get cervical cancer.
22 posted on 01/28/2008 6:00:00 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Gently alluding to the indisputably obvious is not gloating." ~Richard John Neuhaus)
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To: Tax-chick

It’s mandated here, but I do have to give Gov Eyebrow some credit, as much as that galls me, in that he amended it so the opt-out is much easier than the REPUBLICANS attached to it.

Needless to say, Jax won’t be getting it in the summer of ‘09 heading into 6th grade.


23 posted on 01/28/2008 6:03:05 PM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: metmom

Pol has plan to nix cervical cancer
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1782347/posts

“”This is a revolutionary opportunity to eradicate a disease that kills many, many women. As a mom, I’m grateful my daughter will not have to fear having cervical cancer,” said Paulin, whose 18-year-old daughter just received her first shot.”
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This lady is wrong on so many counts that it’s not funny. It’s not going to eradicate any disease if only half the population is getting it, and likely the ones most likely to need the vaccine (the promiscuous) are going to be least likely to get it.

Her daughter still does have to fear getting cervical cancer as the vaccine doesn’t cover all the causes; it’s not an *anti-cancer* vaccine as it’s touted to be.

The other thing that’s alarming is that people that ignorant of what’s going on are the ones making the laws requiring US (the unwashed masses) to get the vaccine. I don’t want someone that out of touch making my health care decisions for me, thank-you.


24 posted on 01/28/2008 6:04:31 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Gabz

Jeez, 6th grade. Sound of one hand clapping for your governor!

Jax should get a letter shortly, if she hasn’t already. I forget when I got it out the mailbox! We were huddling indoors for several days last week :-).


25 posted on 01/28/2008 6:04:48 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Gently alluding to the indisputably obvious is not gloating." ~Richard John Neuhaus)
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To: wagglebee

99.3% of all cervical cancer in women is caused directly by HPV infection. OB-Gyns are looking at dis-continuing the PAP smear screen if HPV is NOT present. Many low income healthcare clinics have already moved in that direction.

My daughters have had the vacine. It will save many lives.


26 posted on 01/28/2008 6:06:01 PM PST by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: Tax-chick

I’ve heard there’s kinds of cancers you don’t even want to know about that they can get from HPV, also.

So just why is everyone so hot to push this vaccine and use it on women? Why not men? Is there something the makers of the vaccine don’t want us to know about? Are they watching and waiting to see what side effects occur in the women first? Using them as guinea pigs, like they want to by mandating in for use on age groups that it wasn’t tested on?

Have you seen any black helicopters lately? :)


27 posted on 01/28/2008 6:08:14 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Tax-chick

Yup. 6th grade. Don’t get me wrong, I have nothing against the availability of this vaccine, I just don’t want it mandated, especially for age groups for which there has not been proper study.

She got the letter, and I have been on her that she has really fallen down on her side of the pen-pal issue :) (of course, mom has not exactly been up to snuff lately on correspondence, but she needs not know that :^)


28 posted on 01/28/2008 6:09:16 PM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Tax-chick
And if it were a dangerous epidemic, wouldn't it make sense to vaccinate males too? They're half the transmission vectors, even if they can't get cervical cancer.

Um...yes. Merck is working on exactly this angle as we speak. I don't suppose that will comfort you. It doesn't me.

29 posted on 01/28/2008 6:11:21 PM PST by the808bass
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To: metmom
So just why is everyone so hot to push this vaccine and use it on women? Why not men? Is there something the makers of the vaccine don’t want us to know about? Are they watching and waiting to see what side effects occur in the women first? Using them as guinea pigs, like they want to by mandating in for use on age groups that it wasn’t tested on?

It's just marketing. It's an easier sell for women with the immediacy of HPV for women. Have no fear, Merck will no doubt try to get an indication for males as well.

30 posted on 01/28/2008 6:12:22 PM PST by the808bass
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To: metmom

If you make it voluntary, no doubt a lot of people will get it. If they get it, then that will reduce the incidence of the disease in the population as a whole. I’m in favor of the vaccine, just not the idea of making it mandatory. I say let’s see what can be done first by simply making it available. Then if it turns out to be the godsend that some claim, we can decide whether it should be mandatory, like the polio vaccine was.


31 posted on 01/28/2008 6:13:01 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: wagglebee
Some of the language in this report is a bit over-the-top. "Only 1200 patients" Come on. That's not a bad sized drug trial at all. I would wager there's hundreds of drugs with smaller trials that have been approved.

It does no good to overstate a good argument.

32 posted on 01/28/2008 6:13:47 PM PST by the808bass
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To: txzman; wagglebee

That doesn’t fit with information posted in links on other HPV vaccine threads.

So you have data to support your statement that that high of a percentage of cervical cancer is directly *caused* by HPV?

IIRC, it’s only certain strains that the vaccine works against.

Eliminating PAP smears is a mistake. They’ll find that out when the lawsuits start coming in.


33 posted on 01/28/2008 6:14:00 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: txzman

I think you have to be careful with numbers and Gardasil. First, it only protects against 4 strains of HPV, which are estimated to cause 70% of cervical cancer cases. While that is still quite a few, it is also important to note that there are only about 10,000 cases of cervical cancer per year in the U.S. Of course, if you or a loved one are affected, numbers don’t matter. But exposing millions to a relatively untested vaccine, just to avoid a small chance of cervical cancer seems a bit extreme. Luckily for me my daughter is young enough that there will be much more data available when I need to make this decision.


34 posted on 01/28/2008 6:16:21 PM PST by 3Lean
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To: metmom; Tax-chick

MM, you bring up some EXTREMELY pertinent questions, which no one seems to want to answer.

I realize we have different positions in regard to smoking, but it ticks me off to no end that the anti-smoker cartel continues to insist exposure to someone else’s tobacco smoke causes cervical cancer -— even though they know over 95% of cervical cancer is caused by HPV.


35 posted on 01/28/2008 6:17:49 PM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Gabz

I hadn’t heard that about the accusation about second hand smoke and cervical cancer, but that sure seems like a stretch to me.

I really doubt that second hand smoke has much more effect on people that the immediate one of causing asthma attacks and breathing problems in some people. But then, it isn’t just cigarette smoke that does that, any kind of smoke would do that to people who are smoke sensitive.


36 posted on 01/28/2008 6:25:23 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

I totally agree with you that it is a stretch, and I’ve been saying it for nearly 10 years.

I’m not trying to hi-jack this thread on that implausibility, but I was once actually told by an anti-smoker the reason smoking and SHS exposure causes cervical cancer is that people that hang out in smoke-filled places (i.e. bars) are generally promiscuous.

I have no problem with this vaccine being available, I just do not want it mandated in the same way that casual contact contagious disease vaccines are, such as polio and measles.


37 posted on 01/28/2008 6:44:51 PM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Gabz; metmom

Thanks for the pings, you two. :)


38 posted on 01/28/2008 6:55:34 PM PST by Politicalmom (I'm the aunt of a brand-new Naval Officer. I'm proud of you, Kristi.)
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To: Brilliant

The government has no right to “mandate” something that can’t be passed to someone else by sitting next to them in a classroom.

It also has no right “mandating” something that will severely injure and kill a percentage of those getting the shot.


39 posted on 01/28/2008 6:59:19 PM PST by Politicalmom (I'm the aunt of a brand-new Naval Officer. I'm proud of you, Kristi.)
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To: Gabz
....but I was once actually told by an anti-smoker the reason smoking and SHS exposure causes cervical cancer is that people that hang out in smoke-filled places (i.e. bars) are generally promiscuous.

I'm still trying to figure that one out.

It didn't perhaps occur to that person that it might have been the promiscuity and not the SHS? Matter of fact, I think that's what the person said whether or not he realized it.

Maybe.....

40 posted on 01/28/2008 7:17:45 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Politicalmom
It also has no right “mandating” something that will severely injure and kill a percentage of those getting the shot.

And yet it does it all the time. Lighter autos to guarantee better MPGs result in thousands of deaths every year. I'm guessing the case could also be made that some people who would survive car wrecks with their seat belts off die wearing them.

41 posted on 01/28/2008 7:28:33 PM PST by the808bass
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To: wagglebee

My 18 yo daughter’s doctor pushed hard for her to get this shot at her appt. last week. Doctor’s office even called her a few days later to push again. I told my daughter “no way, it’s too new and you will not be a guinea pig”. I send my daughter these threads so she can be warned.


42 posted on 01/28/2008 7:43:34 PM PST by CaliGirl-R (I miss my Hunter "pings")
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