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Secondhand Smoke Debate Continues
Madistan.com ^ | January 28, 2008 | Samara Kalk Derby

Posted on 01/28/2008 5:43:52 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin

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To: Diana in Wisconsin

“Smoking related death hit close to home for Casanova two months ago when his 75-year-old sister died from throat cancer that was preventable, he said. She had smoked for 50 years, and as a nurse, she should’ve known better, Casanova said. “But she couldn’t quite quit.””

Um...isn’t 75 past the age where we would consider someone to die “young?”

I’d say this just proves the point that smoking won’t always cut your life short. I know many non smokers who didn’t make it to 75 years old!

so basically...your going to die anyway...why not do what you WANT?


21 posted on 01/28/2008 8:08:56 PM PST by annelizly
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To: MrPiper; Gabz

“You can smoke cigerettes for 20 yrs and still walk away!”


55 years smoking and here I am.

You want filth,check out the black,disgusting snowbanks all over Massachusetts-—and this is what they don’t mind us breathing.

It has nothing to do with health-—smoking just BOTHERS some people,so they ban it.


22 posted on 01/28/2008 8:14:58 PM PST by Mears
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Does the Wisconsin Bill mandate RADON testing of every workplace, restaurant, hotel, bar and rental lodging {long or short term}?

Is there money to inform Tourist and truckers, etc., of counties to AVOID overnighting in?

23 posted on 01/28/2008 9:14:45 PM PST by PizzaDriver (an heinleinian/libertarian)
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To: annelizly
Now see! This is why people don’t take this shit seriously!! this statement is absolutely false! No one has EVER BEEN ABLE TO PROVE to ANY degree that second hand smoke causes SIDS! not even close.

You don't understand statistical homeopathy. If someone who spends 16 hours a day in a poorly-ventilated room with a dozen smokers gets lung cancer, that suggests that cigarette smoke is somewhat hazardous; if someone who once has sat once within thirty feet of a smoker, but has no other exposure to smoke whatsoever, gets lung cancer, that shows that cigarette smoke is extremely dangerous (so much so that even that tiny exposure could cause cancer).

24 posted on 01/28/2008 9:28:58 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Bull and I’m not a smoker


25 posted on 01/28/2008 9:32:56 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

“Smoking related death hit close to home for Casanova two months ago when his 75-year-old sister died from throat cancer that was preventable, he said. She had smoked for 50 years, and as a nurse, she should’ve known better, Casanova said. “But she couldn’t quite quit.”

Considering that the average life expectancy for a female born in 1930 was 63.5 years, and for a female born in 1935 was 65 years, and that his sister was born in 1932, I would say that smoking added 10 years of life to her.

There, how’s that? Do I qualify for a government grant to study the subject?


26 posted on 01/29/2008 7:18:29 AM PST by CSM ("Dogs and beer. Proof that God loves us.- Al Gator (8/24/2007))
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I’ve never gone to a funeral for anyone who died of “second-hand smoke”. I do not believe I know anyone who has ever been to the funeral of someone who died from “second-hand smoke”.

I have, however, been to the funeral of a non-smoker/non second-hand smoker who was hit by a car while taking her daily jog. Maybe second-hand smoke was in the driver’s eyes...


27 posted on 01/29/2008 7:30:56 AM PST by itsamelman (Announcing your plans is a good way to hear God laugh. - - Al Swearengen)
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To: mamelukesabre

You probably can, but if the food and drink gets to be the major revenue item, they say you’re a restaurant and your exemption is revoked. Also, believe it or not, some municipalities even ban smoking in tobacco related businesses.


28 posted on 01/29/2008 7:35:16 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Since they are making up numbers, let's just say that secondhand smoke kills 4 million a year.

I don't enjoy sports. I want sports banned because sports bore me. Sports are a dangerously addictive product marketed to children. Approximately 3 million children and adolescents ages 14 and under get hurt annually playing sports or participating in recreational activities.

Now see, that's a real number, not made up. Who's with me in banning sports? If you aren't, you want to hurt or kill children.
29 posted on 01/29/2008 7:36:11 AM PST by mysterio
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To: TASMANIANRED

I say bull and I’m an EX smoker (those are the worst about telling everyone else to quit - though I’ve never ventured into quitters’ evangelism myself.)


30 posted on 01/29/2008 7:38:38 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Lokibob

The concern is that someone, somewhere will die prematurely, a point in one’s life without a clear distinction; for him to use his 75 yr old sister makes me wonder how long he thinks she should have lived.


31 posted on 01/29/2008 7:54:32 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: annelizly

SIDS simply means an unexpected death from no discernible cause; from emedicehealth.com:

“Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) Overview

Sudden infant death syndrome (also known as SIDS) is defined as the sudden death of an infant younger than 1 year. If the child’s death remains unexplained after a formal investigation into the circumstances of the death (including performance of a complete autopsy, examination of the death scene, and review of the clinical history), the death is then attributed to SIDS. Sudden infant death is a tragic event for any parent or caregiver.

SIDS is suspected when a previously healthy infant, usually younger than 6 months, is found dead in bed. In most cases, no sign of distress is identifiable. The baby typically feeds normally prior to being placed in bed to sleep. The infant is then discovered lifeless, without pulse or respiration. Cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) may be initiated at the scene, but evidence shows a lack of beneficial effect from CPR. The cause of death remains unknown despite a careful review of the medical history, scene investigation, x-rays, and autopsy.

SIDS is rare during the first month of life. Risk peaks in infants aged 2-4 months, and then declines.

About 90% of SIDS deaths occur in infants younger than 6 months.

Even though the specific cause (or causes) of SIDS remains unknown, scientific efforts have eliminated various misleading theories. We now know the following about SIDS:

Apnea (cessation of breathing) of prematurity or apnea of infancy are felt to be clinical conditions that are distinct from SIDS. Infants with apnea may be managed with electronic monitors prescribed by doctors that track heart rate and respiratory activity. Apnea monitors will not prevent SIDS.

SIDS is not predictable or preventable.

Infants may experience episodes termed apparent life-threatening events (ALTEs). These are clinical events in which young infants may experience abrupt changes in breathing, color, or muscle tone. Common causes of ALTEs include respiratory infection, gastroesophageal reflux disease, or seizure. However, no definite scientific evidence links ALTEs as events that may lead to SIDS.

SIDS is not caused by immunizations or bad parenting.

SIDS is not contagious or hereditary.

SIDS is not anyone’s fault.”


32 posted on 01/29/2008 8:02:44 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer

emedicinehealth.com


33 posted on 01/29/2008 8:05:40 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
"It hasn't gotten enough respect," Casanova said. "People think, 'Oh yeah, it's probably bad.' But when you read the statistics it blows you away."

Yo Cassanova!
Ya wanna blow sumtin' away?

34 posted on 01/29/2008 8:10:17 AM PST by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. In fact, I'm enjoying every minute of it.)
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To: MrB

Me neither....


35 posted on 01/29/2008 10:00:00 AM PST by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: jtal

>>If smokers voted in a block they would probably control every local election. This totally puzzles me why they don’t do this and simply quietly accept this.

Most people have internalized the demonisation of smokers, including smokers. Many, many agree with the leper status they have in America, and now, increasingly in Europe. And I don’t anyone expected the draconian bans, including nightclubs and bars. After all, restaurants had banned it and bars were the only place left.

I haven’t met many bartenders who like it, but some have.

>>get everyone on the same playing field

Ah, yes, once one town bans, the others use this argument.


36 posted on 01/31/2008 1:12:30 PM PST by swarthyguy (Osama Freedom Day: 2686 or so since September 11 2001!)
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