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McCain's ACU Ratings
The American Thinker ^ | Jan. 29, 2008 | Randall Hoven

Posted on 01/29/2008 2:44:53 AM PST by JaneNC

McCain's ACU Ratings Randall Hoven

Senator John McCain's lifetime rating of 82.3% from the American Conservative Union is often cited as proof that he is conservative. Here is a closer look at that 82.3 rating.

First, a rating of 82.3 is not really that high. It puts Senator McCain in 39th place among senators serving in 2006, the latest year for which the ACU has its ratings posted online. For that most recent year in particular, McCain scored only 65, putting him in 47th place for that year. Ben Nelson (D-NE) and Chuck Hagel (R-NE), for example, scored 64 and 75, respectively, in 2006.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/mccains_acu_ratings.html

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1 posted on 01/29/2008 2:44:53 AM PST by JaneNC
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To: JaneNC

He’s like a .300 hitter who mostly gets singles with two outs, nobody on, and the game already in the bag.

His batting average with runners in scoring position is nowhere near as high.


2 posted on 01/29/2008 2:53:23 AM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (QMC(SW) USN........ CG21 DD988 FFG34 PC6 ARS53)
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To: JaneNC

ACU rating for 2006 of 65.
Ouch. That’s going to leave a mark.

I wonder how many Republicans would consider nominating Ben Nelson as the GOP candidate.
McCain is all media created Cult of Personality, no substance.


3 posted on 01/29/2008 2:54:00 AM PST by counterpunch (Mike Huckabee The Religious Wrong)
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To: counterpunch

Chuck Hagel has a higher rating. ROFL

He is the guy who said we were fighting the Viet Nam war all over again....Cut and run guy.

And I have heard this rating cited by people time and again. So much for the rating...it isn’t a good one.


4 posted on 01/29/2008 2:57:22 AM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

He is the guy who voted against the Bush tax cuts TWICE.
That cannot just be swept under the carpet.
His campaign methodology is CLINTONESQUE...LIE LIE LIE and hope the sheep believe you.

Off Ann Coulter’s page
BEST QUOTE ON MCCAIN: -

“McCain seems to believe his wartime heroism entitles him to an unlimited moral bank account that he can withdraw from whenever it’s in his self-interest to do something dishonest.”


5 posted on 01/29/2008 3:15:26 AM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: counterpunch
Joe Lieberman has an ACU ratining that is consistently in the single digits, and yet you've got plenty of Republicans who swear the guy is "conservative" . . . including that moron Podhoretz from the New York Post who swears Lieberman would be an ideal running mate for a GOP presidential candidate in 2008. LOL.
6 posted on 01/29/2008 3:23:05 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: JaneNC

McCain, if you want to be sold out for a day on TV.


7 posted on 01/29/2008 3:41:17 AM PST by bmwcyle (McCain Sucks!)
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To: JaneNC

It doesn’t seem to matter how many times McCain’s increasing liberalism is pointed out, there are those who simply refuse to acknowledge it.


8 posted on 01/29/2008 3:41:42 AM PST by gruna
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To: gruna

Is it the sympathy thing about being a P.O.W.?
That is not a reason for vote for a man.
Seriously....
He is not much different from Hillary...or Teddy


9 posted on 01/29/2008 3:43:14 AM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: counterpunch

I wonder how many Republicans would consider nominating Ben Nelson as the GOP candidate.

A choice between McCain and Nelson would be a tough choice in some ways. Actually I am shocked that Nelson received such a low score. I thought he would be in the low 70’s at least. It seems like he votes with Republicans a lot.


10 posted on 01/29/2008 3:45:51 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: JaneNC

“And I have heard this rating cited by people time and again. So much for the rating...it isn’t a good one.”

Michael Medved for one. I was extremely disapointed in his show defending McCain last week.


11 posted on 01/29/2008 3:47:34 AM PST by blueheron2 (Reagan's 11th Com - Speak no ill of fellow Republicans.)
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To: blueheron2

Oh I know. Michael has lost his mind.
There is no way one can defend McCain’s record as being conservative. I really do think governors make better Presidents. People inside Washington have too many bedfellows....

McCain just isn’t up to the job. He is a ranting hothead, too.


12 posted on 01/29/2008 3:52:11 AM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: napscoordinator
A choice between McCain and Nelson would be a tough choice in some ways. Actually I am shocked that Nelson received such a low score. I thought he would be in the low 70’s at least. It seems like he votes with Republicans a lot.
More than McCain does.
Just as McCain votes with Democrats a lot.

BTW, has Ben Nelson ever co-sponsored a bill will Ted Kennedy or Russ Feingold?
 
13 posted on 01/29/2008 3:52:13 AM PST by counterpunch (Mike Huckabee The Religious Wrong)
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To: gruna
“It doesn’t seem to matter how many times McCain’s increasing liberalism is pointed out, there are those who simply refuse to acknowledge it.”

I am no big fan of McCain, but his celebrity comes from being a “maverick”.

I think that about 1/3 of the voters are GOP, 1/3 are Democratic and the other 1/3 are third party, or independent.

That independent streak turns a lot of people on. They just don’t pay attention to the other details, i.e., his voting record.

14 posted on 01/29/2008 4:04:44 AM PST by Preachin' (I stand with many voters who will never vote for a pro abortion candidate.)
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To: JaneNC
McCain just isn’t up to the job. He is a ranting hothead, too.

Senator McNasty is my favorite nickname.

15 posted on 01/29/2008 4:17:34 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds ("You ask, 'What is our aim?' I can answer in one word: VICTORY - victory - at all costs...")
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To: JaneNC

Sympathy for McCain must be the reason for his support. Or ignorance.


16 posted on 01/29/2008 4:20:50 AM PST by gruna
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To: Preachin'

It’s the third that are GOP that are troublesome.


17 posted on 01/29/2008 4:23:24 AM PST by gruna
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To: blueheron2

Medved is a moron.


18 posted on 01/29/2008 4:25:21 AM PST by sauropod (Fred Reed: "Without men, civilization would last until the oil needed changing.")
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To: gruna

“Troublesome” is a kinder word than I would have chosen.


19 posted on 01/29/2008 4:28:07 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: sauropod

And an open borders advocate to boot.


20 posted on 01/29/2008 4:34:29 AM PST by stratboy
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To: JaneNC

I don’t like McCain but why do the polls show him to be the only one who can defeat The Hildebeast or Obama?

Unfortunately, I don’t care for Romney either but it looks like we’re going to be stuck with one of those two.

I think I’m depressed............


21 posted on 01/29/2008 4:39:02 AM PST by no dems (If we can't beat Hillary or Obama in '08, the GOP has become a sorry lot..)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

I almost used a more insulting word.


22 posted on 01/29/2008 4:39:15 AM PST by gruna
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To: gruna
“It doesn’t seem to matter how many times McCain’s increasing liberalism is pointed out, there are those who simply refuse to acknowledge it.”

It’s worse than that. I’ve got posters insinuating I’m a traitor for not voting for one.

Reasons for supporting McCain:

1. War hero status. (wasn’t a very good pilot) 2. Only Repub who can beat the Dim candidate. (not) 3. Straight talker (also not) (how about convenience liar?)

23 posted on 01/29/2008 4:46:35 AM PST by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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To: no dems

The polls also showed Dole would beat Clinton. LOL

McCain could not and will not beat Hillary.

People are waking up to the guy...


24 posted on 01/29/2008 4:49:04 AM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: no dems
Romney will be a better manager and not a hot head. McCain will be McCain and we will all be stuck if he is president.

You can predict a lot of bad things with McCain because of his record. He's a classic deal cutter. It doesn't matter what the deal is, he's in. How else do you explain him pairing with the socialist loon from Cheesconsin for CFR?

25 posted on 01/29/2008 4:49:05 AM PST by Thebaddog (Is there a more perfect animal than a dog?)
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To: wolfcreek

4. The surge


26 posted on 01/29/2008 4:51:39 AM PST by Homer1
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To: JaneNC

Not only did he vote against them, he is lying now about why. He claims now it’s because there were not enough spending cuts to “pay for them” (never mind the implicit rejection of supply side economics). But at the time he echoed the Democrat talking points, claiming the cuts were too much geared “towards the rich”, and not enough to the poor and middle class (again, never mind that the poor don’t pay any income tax). McCain is simply lying about his record, and lying about his opponents records. The man is not to be trusted.


27 posted on 01/29/2008 4:53:11 AM PST by Hugin (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: wolfcreek

Some people are easily fooled, obviously.

I just checked Romney’s site, and there are a lot of FredHeads on there now who are openly supporting Mitt, and are being welcomed with open arms.


28 posted on 01/29/2008 4:58:55 AM PST by gruna
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To: JaneNC

I’m surprised that Chuck Hagel had as high a score as he did for 2006 (I bet the number for ‘07 is lower when it comes out). The fact that McAmnesty is lower than that speaks volumes.


29 posted on 01/29/2008 4:59:31 AM PST by Pablo64 (What is popular is not always right. What is right is not always popular.)
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To: JaneNC

“The polls also showed Dole would beat Clinton. LOL”

_______________________________________________________

I must say that I don’t remember that happening. I know that right after the GOP Convention, Dole closed to within 4 percentage points. That lasted about three days.


30 posted on 01/29/2008 5:01:10 AM PST by no dems (If we can't beat Hillary or Obama in '08, the GOP has become a sorry lot..)
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To: Thebaddog; All

McCain is not perfect but he is the least likely to engage or approve of PorkBarrel Spending. He has consistantly been for the War even though he did not agree with the Bush Administration about the prosecution of the war in IRAQ until the Surge was implemented. He is a far better choice than any Democratic candidate this year. He can win while MITT may not be able to. The Democrats have the edge due to the facts that
1. 8 consecutive years of the GOP in the White House
2. GWB 43 has become a liability for the GOP. I like Bush. However many voters in 2008 do not and that fact will influence many of them as they go into the voting booth and cast a vote.
After Thompson dropped out I realized that my Ideal Candidate for POTUS can not win. I am willing to support the one who emerges from the RNC Convention with the nomination in hand. If it is McCain, I will support him and Vote. I will also encourage others to vote for him rather than let any Democrat win this year.


31 posted on 01/29/2008 5:08:35 AM PST by wmileo (I miss Ronald Wilson Reagan. POTUS #40)
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To: Homer1

He supported the surge, he didn’t create it.


32 posted on 01/29/2008 5:09:12 AM PST by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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To: napscoordinator

If the Dems got smart and ran someone like Ben Nelson I think they would easily win the presidency. Problem is a “moderate” could never get nominated.


33 posted on 01/29/2008 5:16:09 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: JaneNC
a rating of 82.3 is not really that high.

It would seem that McCain racked up high ACU points prior to 1999 ... and has been heading downhill every since.

Also, some of these 'ratings' outfits are deceiving... because they include procedural votes, committee votes, and rollcall-type votes.

If ACU just gave ONE point for each issue, I bet McCain would score MUCH lower on the conservative scale.

34 posted on 01/29/2008 5:20:49 AM PST by Edit35
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
Notice that his scores started to go down n 1998 when he was contemplating running for President. Then when he lost to GW his scores went lower.

He is still bitter about losing to President Bush and his votes are more against him than anything else (my opinion).

Hence, his "maverick", media-loving status.

Bottom line, he has thrown away his principles and I will not vote for him - ever...

35 posted on 01/29/2008 5:22:38 AM PST by gramho12
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To: wmileo
Here are the Senators who voted against the Cornyn amendment , which would have established a permanent bar for gang members, terrorists, and other criminals looking to snag a shamnesty visa. Republicans underlined:

Never forget McCain not only pushed the amnesty bill, he refused to allow exclusions for the worst of the lot. And he unloaded his infamous temper on his mild- mannered senate colleague for having the audacity to introduce this amendment.

Apologies to any who feel I am spamming this message on campaign threads, but it is an important message on a key vote which needs to get out.

36 posted on 01/29/2008 5:26:11 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: gruna

All the Fredheads I know have gone over to Mitt. Every one of them.

Fred is NOT in favor of closing GITMO
McCain is in favor of closing GITMO
Huck is in favor of closing GITMO

Fred is for securing our borders
McCain and Huck are very very weak on border security


37 posted on 01/29/2008 6:04:26 AM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: JaneNC

The FredHeads are coming around, and woe to McCainiacs, Huckleberries, and liberals of all stripes.


38 posted on 01/29/2008 6:08:42 AM PST by gruna
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To: bmwcyle

Stealing tagline material


39 posted on 01/29/2008 7:27:11 AM PST by zeugma (McCain, if you want to be sold out for a day on TV.)
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To: zeugma

It is all yours. Wear it well. Remember were is can from.


40 posted on 01/29/2008 7:29:09 AM PST by bmwcyle (McCain Sucks!)
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To: bmwcyle
It is all yours. Wear it well. Remember were is can from.

LOL. Thanks!

 

41 posted on 01/29/2008 8:21:21 AM PST by zeugma (McCain, if you want to be sold out for a day on TV.)
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To: wmileo

Were you an amnesty fan?


42 posted on 01/29/2008 8:26:28 AM PST by Sybeck1 (McCain/Huckabee 08! Let's make Mississippi, Texas, and Utah swing states!)
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To: JaneNC

82.3% for McCain.. and Fred who was the supposedly “conservative” choice, had an 86% lifetime, with a much shorter amount of time spent in congress.

So if 82.3% is not that good, please explain to me why Thompson was embraced and touted by folks as “the conservatives conservative” when his lifetime was only a few points higher?

Can’t have it both ways folks.


43 posted on 01/29/2008 8:29:09 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: JaneNC
McCain has a "0" rating on amnesty for illegal aliens...
44 posted on 01/29/2008 8:40:18 AM PST by Gritty (For GOPers opposing illegal immigration, the father of amnesty is not worth voting for-Bob Lonsberry)
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To: wmileo
I'm troubled by McCain's closeness to the insiders and his endorsement by all the leading democrats. Why on earth should they care? Except to create mischief.

Furthermore, after the Gang of 14 episode and CFR and Amnesty, how can you say that he will be predictable as a conservative in future issues? To me its too easy to see what you want to see in a candidate and not to intellectualize the pros and cons. I hate to say it, but I voted for W for reasons other than how he governed. I don't want to do that again and McCain is a real problem to me.

Now I think that Romney will be a more predictable president as a manager of the economy and as a prosecutor of the War on Terror. Those are my main two points of interest and I think that he will do better than McCain on those points and others.

45 posted on 01/29/2008 9:50:16 AM PST by Thebaddog (Is there a more perfect animal than a dog?)
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To: JaneNC

If you threw out the 1980’s his rating would be lower.

If you threw out the 1980’s and the first half of the 90’s it would be lower.

The trend is disconcerting.


46 posted on 01/29/2008 9:53:09 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Mitt Romney 2008. Stop McCain-Kennedy-Lieberman-Graham-Feingold.)
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To: HamiltonJay

During the time Thompson was getting his 86%, McCain’s average is lower than 82%

If we look at the last 7 years, McCain’s number is about 72%.

Fred did NOT show himself as a solid conservative when he was a Senator. He voted for McCain/Feingold, for example. But he was better than McCain. Fred did have a thing for opposing tort reform, which hurt him in the ratings. He even had a few bad gun votes.

But most everything THompson ever did wrong was swept away by his supporters, because in order to nitpick Romney’s record, they had to pretend their candidate was perfect. If they had to admit their own candidate had flipped on major issues like McCain/Feingold, the “flip/flop” argument would carry less weight.

So when in 1994 Thompson was “pro-life”, but only after viability, and didn’t really think it was an important thing to him, they had to instead insist that he was 100% pro-life from birth.


47 posted on 01/29/2008 10:39:15 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

What about the Pubbie endorsements?
Not conservative.....

That being said, I am taken aback that he gets the votes he does. Of course, he will not fare so well in closed primaries.


48 posted on 01/29/2008 11:16:31 AM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: JaneNC
First, a rating of 82.3 is not really that high.

Ya mean Fred Thompson was a closet Commie?

Lifetime ACU rating for John McCain - 83
Lifetime ACU rating for Thompson - 86

49 posted on 01/29/2008 11:27:07 AM PST by Polybius
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To: Alberta's Child

“Joe Lieberman has an ACU ratining that is consistently in the single digits, and yet you’ve got plenty of Republicans who swear the guy is “conservative” . . . including that moron Podhoretz from the New York Post who swears Lieberman would be an ideal running mate for a GOP presidential candidate in 2008. LOL.”

yeah no kidding
i respect Lieberman for bucking his former party in regards to the war but he is a domestic liberal
always was
always will be
he would add NOTHING to a McCain ticket
if McCain got the nod he would be better served getting a Southern Governor with better conservative credentials


50 posted on 01/29/2008 11:32:16 AM PST by DM1
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