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(1/23) If it's McCain vs Hillary in the general, how do you vote?
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Posted on 01/29/2008 6:50:41 PM PST by Jim Robinson

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To: Arkinsaw

“Lets face it, most of the people of this country are more concerned about what features their next cell phone will have or what Britney is doing more than what is going on and what the troops are doing. And they, and their sacrifices, are primarily being used as political fodder by the other party.”

So true! I was watching Fox & Friends the other day when Montel Williams was a guest promoting his new book. Say what you will about him...he blew a gasket when the ‘anchors’ wanted only to discuss, yet again, the death of Heath. He refused and arguing, he gave them the number of soldiers who had died the same day in Iraq...then asked them if they could name just one of them!! When they argued back with him, he must have walked off the set during commercial because he did not return as planned for the next segment! His book never got promoted, but he really put them in their place.


401 posted on 01/30/2008 12:30:59 AM PST by Kimberly GG (God Bless our true conservative patriots..... Duncan Hunter & Family!!)
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To: End Times Crusader
John McCain is the savior of the GOP and the nail in the coffin of the Democrat Party. No longer will Republican presidents have to squeak by to a win in the general election. With the new coalition McCain is building, Republicans will be in power for years. It’s the Dims who better start worrying about their future. Be a part of it.

Hahahahahahahaaha. Sorry I just don't feel it. There's no 'there' there. What does McCain stand for again? Forget it. Third party all the way. F him. I've seen his smug laugh in interviews. He's an a-hole on a personal level. He thinks he's a god. He doesn't need me.

402 posted on 01/30/2008 12:39:40 AM PST by Swordfished
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To: AmericaUnited
I want some of you to explain the American Conservative Ratings of McCain vs The Evil With.
McCain 83, The Evil Witch 9.

Please select one of the following:

1) The ACU is a RAT front organization.
2) The ACU is freaking nuts.
3) The ACU has been taken over by commies.
4) None of the above. I’m an irrational MOONBAT and that’s why I’m claiming there is no difference between the two.

5) I'd say you don't know what you're talking about. The people who want to throw that ACU rating at us are intentionally or unintentionally deceiving people.

His LIFETIME ACU rating is high because McCain was a solid conservative for most of the 1980s and early 1990s. At some point late in the Clinton years, McCain decided he could get more mileage out of being a "maverick" and stabbing his party in the back while being CNN's butt boy. In the most recent (2006) ACU ratings, for example, McCain scored a 65 -squarely in the RINO wing of the party.

Now, you may still say "65 is still better than 8" but what's going to happen when McCain is no longer beholden to his party and decides he's just going to continue to do what his masters at CNN want him to do? And how often will real conservatives be told to go along with the next McCain-Feingold or McCain-Kennedy in the interests of "party unity"?

Republicans really are "The Stupid Party" when they think electing the guy who has stabbed them in the back repeatedly for the last eight years - on tax cuts, on judges, on the War on Terror, etc. - is going to do anything but play right into hands of the Democrats who will eat McCain alive the second he actually wins the nomination.

That's why I will not vote for McCain. Not in the primaries. Not in the general election. Not anytime. You're wasting your breath trying to change my mind because I simply won't do it.

403 posted on 01/30/2008 1:06:42 AM PST by Tall_Texan (No Third Term For Bill Clinton!)
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To: GB
The problem is, he’s been wrong on some very specific and very crucial issues that are dear to a lot of folks here, plus there’s his general demeanor and attitude.

Oh I know that, having not been in a coma or cave the last few years, but don't ever try to tell me their is no difference between The Evil Witch and McInsane.

Hey cheer up everyone! At least those annoying dictator countries will get nuked every couple of months under President McCain.

404 posted on 01/30/2008 2:53:01 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: End Times Crusader
Most Freepers will come to their senses come November and do the right thing. The few turncoats who do not will simply be forgotten. John McCain can pull in plenty enough independents and sensible democrats (yes, they do still exist)to offset any loss of extremist voters.

It's time to forge a new Republican coalition.

I agree with you.

405 posted on 01/30/2008 4:07:24 AM PST by billva
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To: EagleandLiberty
that's your opinion. You are nuts if you think you can compare the two. read the Clinton history that we post about relentlessly here. If she gets elected we can tink people like YOU.
406 posted on 01/30/2008 5:01:25 AM PST by RDTF
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To: Hot Tabasco
I am going on record here and now stating that I will not ever consider being anyone's vice president no matter how they/you beg......

I hope you're proud!!! There goes my peaceful plan for world domination. Onto to plan "B" now. lol

407 posted on 01/30/2008 6:12:11 AM PST by processing please hold (Where's the Cosmic Singularity?)
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To: All
Can you spot the difference in this picture?


408 posted on 01/30/2008 6:14:47 AM PST by McGruff (I am against McCain more than I am for Romney.)
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To: Bob the builder

I will have to force myself to vote if it’s McCain. Staying home or any other voting will put a Democrat in the WH


409 posted on 01/30/2008 7:59:34 AM PST by 12th_Monkey
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To: AmericaUnited
Oh I know. I don't care if I get flamed to cinders for saying this, but people that are equating McCain with Maxine Waters, saying there's no difference between him and Hillary, saying he's liable to pick Russ Feingold as VP, that's just sheer craziness and I sometimes wonder if those who are saying such things are even serious. With his record on abortion and the war in Iraq, does anyone REALLY think the Dems would let him within a light year of membership in their party?

I've long believed, and I have discussed this here before, that McCain tweaking the nose of conservatives, etc., has never been so much about him detesting us but has been about his personal animus toward President Bush, who you must admit was a darling here until it finally registered that he wasn't going to do anything toward advancing the conservative movement, toward Rush, toward others, etc., over the perceived wrongs he thought were done to him in 2000. Of course the fact that he can't get over something after eight years is a black mark against him to me as well, but again, if it's him vs. Hillary or Obama, there's no question what I will do. I'm not going to screw the country to make a point. And while McCain would not be the conservative movement president we want ... and I submit that there is no great outcry in this country for a conservative movement president and has not been in the past; we were lulled into thinking there was by Reagan's two victories and by 1994, when IMHO Reagan's victories stemmed more from his personal magnetism than anything else, and 1994 was from Clinton scaring everybody to death about health care, etc. ... I'm sorry, anyone who thinks there wouldn't be a dime's worth of difference between a McCain presidency and a Clinton or Obama presidency needs to go take a cold shower and then come back and rejoin the discussion.

I wasn't old enough to vote in 1972, but if I had been, and had been faced with Richard Nixon (who was no conservative, he actually governed to the left of Slick Clinton in some ways) vs. George McGovern, there is no question how I would have voted. Not because I'm a Republican. There's no party registration in my state, and if there were I'd register Independent. But because I want the best for my country. And sometimes the best you can get in a given situation is best.

410 posted on 01/30/2008 8:16:04 AM PST by GB
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To: ksen
Those who voted for Perot put Bill Clinton in the White House.

"No, those who voted for Clinton put Clinton in office.

Stop trying to browbeat people into voting for your candidate."

No. I will not.

My candidate is anyone who can defeat the Democrats.

And it is quite true that those who voted for Perot put Bill Clinton in the White House. Those who voted for Clinton could not have succeeded without the help of the Perot supporters!

Furthermore they damned the United States to one of the two worst President in U.S. history (Carter is the other) and paved the way for Hillary Clinton.

My observation is true--whether you like it or not.

411 posted on 01/30/2008 8:46:42 AM PST by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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To: camerakid400

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412 posted on 01/30/2008 10:47:03 AM PST by Pagey (Horrible Hillary Clinton is Bad For America, Bad For Business and Bad For MY Stomach!)
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To: Jim Robinson
If it's McCain vs Hillary in the general, how do you vote?

With my feet. Immigration is becoming thinkable.

413 posted on 01/30/2008 11:22:36 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Islam is a mental disorder)
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To: EagleandLiberty

“Not really, If Gerald Ford won in 1976, we wouldn’t have Ronald Wilson Reagan elected in 1980.”

How do you know that? It would have been Reagan vs. Carter or Ted Kennedy. Reagan would have mopped the floor with both of them.


414 posted on 01/30/2008 3:35:45 PM PST by Jaguarmike
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To: AmericaUnited
Please select one of the following:

5) The ACU primarily looks at votes, and it averages them over a career. There are other important factors in judging a candidate which the ACU does not adequately take into account.

For example, on how many occasions has McCain expressed as much enmity toward liberals as he routinely does toward conservatives. For that matter, when has he put forth any particular opposition to liberals beyond punching a 'yes' or 'no' vote?

If someone votes the right way sometimes, but does nothing else to demonstrate conservatism, what reason is there to believe the person will be conservative in a position that requires real action?

415 posted on 01/30/2008 9:53:11 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: supercat

You missed the whole point, i.e. don’t tell me there is zero difference between The Evil Witch and McCain.


416 posted on 01/31/2008 3:16:36 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
You missed the whole point, i.e. don’t tell me there is zero difference between The Evil Witch and McCain.

There are differences. I don't see them as particularly favoring McCain, though.

Actually, to the extent that Hillary's badness can be bounded, I would see McCain as worse. McCain's not going to put up any real resistance against the Democrats, and indeed will try to stop the rest of his party from doing so. He may start out by appointing a Judge Roberts, but when that gets voted down and Kennedy suggests Ginsburg II, I can't imagine McCain opposing that too strenuously.

McCain would be a liberal puppet who would push through about as much bad stuff as Hillary, but without the possibility of a conservative swing in 2012. Where's the advantage?

417 posted on 01/31/2008 6:50:14 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I wish it had a choice that said, “It depends on the VP candidate”


418 posted on 03/05/2008 7:43:33 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: jern

anyone change their mind?


419 posted on 10/17/2008 7:04:30 PM PDT by jern
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To: jern

Sarah changed my mind.


420 posted on 10/17/2008 7:36:54 PM PDT by 6323cd (Proud sister of Gloria, age 41, who happens to have Down's Syndrome)
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