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Poor Haitians Resort to Eating Dirt (A must read)
AP ^ | 1/29/2008 | JONATHAN M. KATZ

Posted on 01/30/2008 5:22:41 AM PST by Red in Blue PA

PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti - It was lunchtime in one of Haiti's worst slums, and Charlene Dumas was eating mud. With food prices rising, Haiti's poorest can't afford even a daily plate of rice, and some take desperate measures to fill their bellies. Charlene, 16 with a 1-month-old son, has come to rely on a traditional Haitian remedy for hunger pangs: cookies made of dried yellow dirt from the country's central plateau.

The mud has long been prized by pregnant women and children here as an antacid and source of calcium. But in places like Cite Soleil, the oceanside slum where Charlene shares a two-room house with her baby, five siblings and two unemployed parents, cookies made of dirt, salt and vegetable shortening have become a regular meal.

"When my mother does not cook anything, I have to eat them three times a day," Charlene said. Her baby, named Woodson, lay still across her lap, looking even thinner than the slim 6 pounds 3 ounces he weighed at birth.

(Excerpt) Read more at mcall.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dirt; dirtcookie; foodcrisis; foodinsecurity; haiti; hunger; mud; mudpie; pica; poverty; starvation
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1 posted on 01/30/2008 5:22:44 AM PST by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA
Does this mean that the old saying about ... "eat all your food Johnny, people in China are starving" ... is passe?
2 posted on 01/30/2008 5:33:30 AM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Should I care?


3 posted on 01/30/2008 5:34:25 AM PST by toddlintown (Building More Highways For Children---Huckleberry Talking Point)
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To: toddlintown

Only if you care at all about your fellow man.

These people are not terrorists, and do not deserve to be eating dirt. If you cannot see that and actually need that to be pointed out to you, then I cannot help you.


4 posted on 01/30/2008 5:35:48 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: toddlintown

One more thing.

The USA gives hundreds of mills to the PA which overtly supports terrorism, which innocent people in OUR OWN HEMISPHERE are eating dirt.

Something is seriously wrong with that picture.


5 posted on 01/30/2008 5:37:10 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I read about it yesterday. They eat dirt along with shortening and sugar in a regular cookie. It probably has more to do with ignorance than being poor.


6 posted on 01/30/2008 5:38:26 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Is this a lefty paper or more centrist?


7 posted on 01/30/2008 5:38:46 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Red in Blue PA

The end results of big government nanny state socialism.

These liberals are so dependent on the governmet, they can’t even feed themselves without the food being handed to them.

I guess the government didn’t give her a condom either.

Hillarys utopia.


8 posted on 01/30/2008 5:38:57 AM PST by Ron in Acreage (Romney/Watts 2008)
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To: Red in Blue PA; MacDorcha

Not sure what your angle is... are you saying the US should be buying them food? If so, I disagree, just as I disagree with a lot of the aid we give foreign countries. If you’re approacing it from a humanitarian / charity (read: NON-gov’t) then I couldn’t agree more.


9 posted on 01/30/2008 5:39:25 AM PST by EarthBound (Ex Deo,gratia. Ex astris,scientia (Time to get behind Mitt. RIP Tancredo, Hunter, and Thompson))
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To: Moonman62

Actually, read the article.

It has to do with economics. Nobody CHOOSES to eat dirt.


10 posted on 01/30/2008 5:39:47 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Thank you Bill Clinton for the Haitian misery.


11 posted on 01/30/2008 5:40:40 AM PST by meandog (Please pray for future President McCain--day minus 336 and counting! <b>Vote Mitt=Get Billary!))
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To: Ron in Acreage

Re: The end results of big government nanny state socialism.

Huh?

Haiti has no social security, nor welfare, nor unemployment benefits.

Do you have any idea at all what you are talking about?


12 posted on 01/30/2008 5:40:41 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: toddlintown
Should I care?

How conservative of you, sir...you must REALLY be a Mitt Romney fan!

13 posted on 01/30/2008 5:41:32 AM PST by meandog (Please pray for future President McCain--day minus 336 and counting! <b>Vote Mitt=Get Billary!))
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To: EarthBound

No angle at all.

But if you think people eating dirt is perfectly acceptable, that speaks volumes about yourself.


14 posted on 01/30/2008 5:42:07 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: toddlintown

It’s heart wrenching. That, and the fact that North Koreans are eating grass.

It’s all because of politics - corrupt, selfish, power-hungry leaders in those backward Hell-holes, and apathy on the part of the rest of the world’s politicians.

Apparently Paris Hilton is more important, according to the “news” media.

One day this world will be run right. Come, Lord Jesus!


15 posted on 01/30/2008 5:42:11 AM PST by RoadTest (Free Compean and Ramos now! Then exonerate them. Then shame their persecutors! DO IT!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I don’t want to see anyone hungry but Haiti is a hodge podge of corruption ineptness and thuggery.
Billions have been dropped on the country in the form of international aid to no avail.
This basket case is a lost cause as is Africa. Doesn’t matter how much aid is given it is wasted or stolen.
I’ve lost any hope for Haiti.
Also I have met several Haitians from the higher class there and they are hard working good folks but the vast majority are woefully ignorant and uneducated and pathetic.


16 posted on 01/30/2008 5:42:47 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Moonman62
They eat dirt along with shortening and sugar in a regular cookie.


17 posted on 01/30/2008 5:43:05 AM PST by freedomson (Tagline comment removed by moderator)
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To: toddlintown

THAT’S cold


18 posted on 01/30/2008 5:43:29 AM PST by keeper53 ((I still like Fred))
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To: Joe Boucher

Re: the vast majority are woefully ignorant and uneducated and pathetic.

One could say the same about the corrupt ruling class of that country.


19 posted on 01/30/2008 5:43:48 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Charlene shares a two-room house with her baby, five siblings and two unemployed parents

No mention of father,or birth control maybe a shipment of condoms would be better?


20 posted on 01/30/2008 5:44:04 AM PST by bikerman (_ _ . /_ _ _ /_ . . / / . . . . / . / . _ . . / . _ _ . / / . . _ / . . . //)
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To: Joe Boucher

Exactly. Sending them food will not alleviate the hunger. It will just rot in warehouses while the people starve


21 posted on 01/30/2008 5:44:10 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: meandog

What does that cold comment have to do with Mitt Romney?


22 posted on 01/30/2008 5:44:21 AM PST by keeper53 ((I still like Fred))
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To: RoadTest

Thank God someone sees how wrong this is.


23 posted on 01/30/2008 5:44:29 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Red in Blue PA; MacDorcha

Again, that depends on what the solution is. You are essentially trying to guilt me into caring by suggesting I must be a horrible person if I don’t. That kind of tactic will always backfire on people like me.


24 posted on 01/30/2008 5:44:58 AM PST by EarthBound (Ex Deo,gratia. Ex astris,scientia (Time to get behind Mitt. RIP Tancredo, Hunter, and Thompson))
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To: Red in Blue PA
They do choose to eat dirt. The cookies that use it aren't cheaper than any of the other food they eat. The dirt has to be hauled in from a special area, mixed with other ingredients and baked in the sun, which adds costs. If they ate dirt just because they were poor they would bend over and grab a scoop.

They eat dirt because they are ignorant. That also explains why they are poor, why 16 year olds and younger have children when the family is already starving, and why AIDS is a big problem down there.

25 posted on 01/30/2008 5:45:14 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
It has to do with economics. Nobody CHOOSES to eat dirt.

Actually in the US, they do. Clay Eating

26 posted on 01/30/2008 5:45:14 AM PST by SC DOC
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To: Red in Blue PA

amen to that.


27 posted on 01/30/2008 5:45:18 AM PST by keeper53 ((I still like Fred))
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To: Red in Blue PA
Can I assume that you spend your time and money feeding and caring for the homeless in your town/city/state?

I mean as you "care for your fellow man", and all that.

Or do you expect the thieves in government to play Robin Hood by stealing from the haves & giving it to the havenots?

28 posted on 01/30/2008 5:46:46 AM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: EarthBound

If you read this article and maintain that bc Haiti is corrupt (as it is) and therefore the people must starve, then yes, I am making a judgement about you.

The USA sends BILLIONS every years to countries which overtly support terrorism, and yet truly innocent people are eating dirt. At the very LEAST, I would advocate moving every dollar of aid from the PA to Haiti.


29 posted on 01/30/2008 5:46:48 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Red in Blue PA

What do you suggest we do about it?


30 posted on 01/30/2008 5:48:33 AM PST by Young Scholar
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To: G.Mason

Whenever I travel to third-world countries on trips, I always take a third suitcase of medicines which cannot be gotten there. I am not saying this to brag, but since you called into question my motives, this must be shared.

Just bc the situation looks beyond hope does not mean we should not try to help.


31 posted on 01/30/2008 5:48:40 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: SC DOC

If I recall, a segment of black pregnant women seem to have a thing about eating corn starch. I read this years ago, don’t remember the reasoning behind it, but it always stuck with me.


32 posted on 01/30/2008 5:49:14 AM PST by toddlintown (Building More Highways For Children---Huckleberry Talking Point)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I’ve worked with a few of the educated rich ruling class from Haiti and they were very good folk.


33 posted on 01/30/2008 5:49:36 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: keeper53
What does that cold comment have to do with Mitt Romney?

Touche', okay it was out of line...but the "why should I care about poor people eating dirt" seems to mesh in with a lot of the posted philosophy of his supporters here on FR lately.

34 posted on 01/30/2008 5:50:01 AM PST by meandog (Please pray for future President McCain--day minus 336 and counting! <b>Vote Mitt=Get Billary!))
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To: Red in Blue PA

Did you post this just so you could criticise people’s responses?


35 posted on 01/30/2008 5:50:21 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.)
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To: toddlintown
Should I care?

Ask John Donne, and if you don't understand that, read a book.

36 posted on 01/30/2008 5:50:47 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Red in Blue PA

I thought Bill Clinton solved this by removing the military junta. What happened?


37 posted on 01/30/2008 5:51:04 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Democrat, a synonym for Traitor)
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To: Joe Boucher

This quote is not always applicable, but it certainly is in the case of Haiti IMO:

“Behind every great fortune lies a great crime” -Balzac


38 posted on 01/30/2008 5:51:11 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Actually no. I thought people would have a much different response.

One cannot profess to be Christian and then say “should I care?” when confronted with fellow men being forced to eat dirt. Period.


39 posted on 01/30/2008 5:52:25 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: meandog

I guess I just don’t see that, except when it has to do with illegals in our country. Then, things get emotional!


40 posted on 01/30/2008 5:52:59 AM PST by keeper53 ((I still like Fred))
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To: Red in Blue PA

“Haiti has no social security, nor welfare, nor unemployment benefits”

Sure they do. For the rulers and their military who protect them.

The food is hoarded and controlled by those in power.
It’s rationed out.

Our welfare system works the same way. Foods stamps are rationed/capped.

Their situation as just an extreme example when that type of system fails.
No incentive to work.
No incentive to feed yourself.
When the government takes and takes and takes, as Hillary wants to do, to provide womb to tomb coverage for your every waking need, pretty soon there will be no need to be self supportive.

Then you end up like Haiti. Government controlled everything.


41 posted on 01/30/2008 5:53:55 AM PST by Ron in Acreage (Romney/Watts 2008)
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To: Red in Blue PA
And again, I didn't say people deserved to starve anywhere. I'm not happy people will starve, but they most certainly will.

Don't use the "we send billions in aid" crap with me, I told you in a previous post that I don't approve of that either. This situation can be handled through donations of people, time, money, and education.

Judge that however you wish.

42 posted on 01/30/2008 5:55:20 AM PST by EarthBound (Ex Deo,gratia. Ex astris,scientia (Time to get behind Mitt. RIP Tancredo, Hunter, and Thompson))
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To: toddlintown
Should I care?

_______________________________________

Nope, it's only starving babies, don't give it a second thought, someone might think you're a Christian or something.

43 posted on 01/30/2008 5:57:16 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Red in Blue PA

Something I need to point out to you is that when the Haitians took over their half of the island, it was a propserous sugar growing area and was also producing other crops.

Please note that South Africa was also once wealthy, that Rhodesia was a land of well tended farms with a food surplus and a stable economy.

Around the world, not one black country has ever succeeded.

Could this be because not one black country has adopted the American government system(pre-socialist phase, that is) and thus reaped the benefits we have?

Haiti has worked long and hard to sink into the hopeless pit of cultural and social degradation which it diligently worked for generations to create.

Hongkong is a mere rocky bit of land, and has a population which makes Haiti seem empty by comparison. Yet Hongkong is wealthy.

In closing, the American black community has also been severely damaged by the abandonment of American values in the welfare era which LBJ created (the “Great Society”).

That socialist wet dream turned out to be neither ‘great” not supportive of anything resembling a “society”.

hat it produced was a population of thugs, druggies, thieves, and a plethora of unpaid prostitutes usually called “welfare mothers”.

Lest you think the “Great Society” negatively impacted only blacks, consider that before the administration of LBJ, black bastardy level was about 25%. Now, it is some 80%.

PS Thanks to LBJ, white bastardy is up to 25%.


44 posted on 01/30/2008 5:57:51 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: Red in Blue PA
I assume that includes parts of Newark, N.J., L.A., Chicago, Detroit, etc. etc.?


By all means help away, if you think you must.

I just wouldn't be too quick in chastising others for an opposing view. You know, one born out of the belief in self-reliance?

45 posted on 01/30/2008 5:58:05 AM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Read an article years ago about Haiti. The thesis was that their economic woes stem mainly from a poor tradition of supporting property rights. Their neighbor, the Dominican Republic has better support for property rights and a sounder economy.


46 posted on 01/30/2008 5:58:49 AM PST by NoCountryForLiberals
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To: Red in Blue PA
Not the article I was looking for but it will doThe solution in Haiti: Try Freedom
47 posted on 01/30/2008 6:00:22 AM PST by NoCountryForLiberals
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To: GladesGuru

Re: Around the world, not one black country has ever succeeded.

Wow. So if they had the fortune of being born somewhere else by chance) say Saudi Arabia or other oil producing countries, then they would have “succeeded”?

If this is your measure of whether a people succeed or not, I think you need to reevaluate your logic.


48 posted on 01/30/2008 6:00:31 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Economics is a function of, and the net result of, the society in which it exists. It is also a useful measure of that society.

Haiti, for all practical purposes, has no real social system.

Thugs and thieves do not a government make.


49 posted on 01/30/2008 6:01:24 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I’m sorry but if I have resorted to feeding my family dirt just to survive I have shirked my duty do kick the living crap out of some leaders. I’d rather be a bullet ridden corpse than beg for food while I give my kid anothe dirt cookie. Wtf is wrong with these people?

Same goes for starving north koreans. Its hard to feel bad for folks who aren’t creative enough to stand up and fight. Dead is better than destitute.


50 posted on 01/30/2008 6:01:43 AM PST by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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