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America's Most Miserable Cities - (Detroit is Finally #1)
Forbes ^ | 1/31/08 | Kurt Badenhausen

Posted on 01/30/2008 6:20:16 AM PST by cowtowney

Imagine living in a city with the country's highest rate for violent crime and the second-highest unemployment rate. As an added kicker you need more Superfund dollars allocated to your city to clean up contaminated toxic waste sites than just about any other metro.

Unfortunately, this nightmare is a reality for the residents of Detroit. The Motor City grabs the top spot on Forbes' inaugural list of America's Most Miserable Cities.

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: detroit; forbes; miserable; onepartyrule; socialism; workersparadise
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1 posted on 01/30/2008 6:20:18 AM PST by cowtowney
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To: cowtowney
And Detroit was rated as America’s #1 most liberal city - hmmmmm, is there a connection?
2 posted on 01/30/2008 6:21:32 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana

I live here and there is definately a connection. Our liberal, (but beautiful) governor has also given us a one state recession in Michigan. And today, our mayor is going to come out of seclusion to tell us about his sexcapades and lying under oath. Where else but in his church.


3 posted on 01/30/2008 6:24:21 AM PST by kempster
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To: cowtowney

It took the communists about seven decades to destroy Eastern Europe. It took the communist unions about the same amount of time to destroy places like Detroit and Cleveland.

The irony is that even when the auto industry was making lots of money a decade ago and auto workers were earning paychecks that would be considered upper-middle class by almost any standards, the leftism of Detroit still made it undesirable.


4 posted on 01/30/2008 6:27:06 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 2banana
Doesn’t Detroit have one of the highest Muslim population densities in the US? Coincidence?
5 posted on 01/30/2008 6:27:27 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: cowtowney

I found it interesting that two of the top 10 cities were in California’s Central Valley.

Considering that I’ve heard some stories about how bad Fresno is leads me to ask “Is the Central Valley really that much of a hell hole?”

Anyone?


6 posted on 01/30/2008 6:27:38 AM PST by MplsSteve
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To: cowtowney

Poor Bloomberg: NYC came in fourth most miserable (taxes and long commutes).


7 posted on 01/30/2008 6:27:58 AM PST by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: econjack

The Muslims are in Dearborn, next to Detroit, and arguably saved it from Detroit’s fate. So, no, not a coincidence.


8 posted on 01/30/2008 6:28:54 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: kempster
And today, our mayor is going to come out of seclusion to tell us about his sexcapades and lying under oath.

Sounds familiar, somehow.

9 posted on 01/30/2008 6:29:46 AM PST by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: kempster
Wife and I sailed up the Rouge on an Interlake steamer some years ago. When the cabby arrived to drive us to the airport, he was wearing a long, Philippine bolo knife strapped to his leg.
"Why the big knife?" I asked...
"The cops took my gun permit," was his reply.
10 posted on 01/30/2008 6:29:53 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: cowtowney
Charlotte? Charlotte? That's nutty.

Atlanta is much worse than Charlotte.

11 posted on 01/30/2008 6:30:08 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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12 posted on 01/30/2008 6:30:49 AM PST by grellis (Is this the best we've got??!)
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To: cowtowney
I couldn’t get the article,how about listing all 10 cities?
13 posted on 01/30/2008 6:32:08 AM PST by Ditter
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To: MplsSteve
Considering that I’ve heard some stories about how bad Fresno is leads me to ask “Is the Central Valley really that much of a hell hole?”

I never lived there, but there's not much professional work, lots of illegals, and a huge upswing in gang activity and crystal meth culture over the last 10-15 years.

Some Central Valley cities have become very dangerous places to live. Other, more rural areas don't differ much from the Midwest. Depends where you go.

14 posted on 01/30/2008 6:33:55 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: kempster
Our liberal, (but beautiful) governor

www.pearlevision.com
15 posted on 01/30/2008 6:34:52 AM PST by absolootezer0 (white male christian hetero married gun toting SUV driving motorcycle riding conservative smoker)
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To: 1rudeboy

doesn’t hamtramk have their prayer chants blasted over loudspeakers too?


16 posted on 01/30/2008 6:36:18 AM PST by absolootezer0 (white male christian hetero married gun toting SUV driving motorcycle riding conservative smoker)
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To: cowtowney

The article says they looked at 150 cities, but only provide rankings — in a series of slideshow pictures, no less, in stead of a list — for ten. Where does one find the rankings for the other 140 cities?


17 posted on 01/30/2008 6:36:41 AM PST by King of Florida (A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Cleveland didn’t make the top 10?


18 posted on 01/30/2008 6:37:25 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: absolootezer0

Ow, that hurts. You may get to see more of her in the future. I’m hearing that there is a special place for her in a Hillary administration. Something to do with Economic Advisor.


19 posted on 01/30/2008 6:38:58 AM PST by kempster
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To: kempster


on the plus side, it'd get her outta MI quicker..
20 posted on 01/30/2008 6:40:22 AM PST by absolootezer0 (white male christian hetero married gun toting SUV driving motorcycle riding conservative smoker)
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To: MplsSteve

I was in Fresno downtown recently. There were no white people anywhere in sight. It was all poor Mexicans everywhere. The stores on a traffic-free mall downtown are what you’d see in a place like Detroit or bad neighborhoods in the Bronx or Brooklyn. I could just as easily have been in Tijuana, except that it did seem reasonably “safe” at least downtown in the middle of the day. Fresno is in the middle of an rural area, where illegals have forever been coming into work the land.


21 posted on 01/30/2008 6:40:41 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: cowtowney

I ran into this site last night:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sweetjuniper/sets/72157603302647339/

The site shows pictures of the Detroit Public School Book Depository and books piled knee deep in an abandoned building. I can’t believe you would just leave these books there to rot, many of them new in their wrappers. Didn’t the kids need them? Couldn’t the school district sell them or give them to more needy districts if they weren’t going to use them? Why let them just sit there?

I’ll have to add it to my other ‘dying Detroit’ sites, such as ‘Forgotten Detroit.’ http://www.forgottendetroit.com/index.html. It’s sad.

radiohead, Michigander by marriage and UM ‘75 and ‘99.


22 posted on 01/30/2008 6:43:41 AM PST by radiohead (I stood up for Fred at the Iowa Caucus. Where were the rest of you so-called conservatives?)
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To: AnAmericanMother

So is Richmond. These cities aren’t going to get better because they don’t have the mindset to get better.

The last time my dad was in NYC, he walked through Central Park at night. A cop stopped him and said “Are you crazy? It’s full of criminals”. My dad asked “If it is full of criminals, why don’t you send the police in there and arrest them?”. The cop was stunned that anyone would think of something so outrageous. Crime is simply expected in urban areas.

We had a mission team come into town this week and they were telling us we need to go into the areas that we normally drive around instead of through. They didn’t understand that we don’t have those areas. There are no bad parts of town here. I can go anywhere I want without fear.


23 posted on 01/30/2008 6:43:49 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: absolootezer0

That would be a plus from the state standpoint but the damage would then be national. Hillary has eyes on her and Corzine of New Jersey for weekly economic roundtables. Don’t know how Corzine is doing but I can tell you that raising taxes when a state is in recession is not real popular here.


24 posted on 01/30/2008 6:44:12 AM PST by kempster
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To: cowtowney

WE’RE NUMBER 1....WE’RE NUMBER 1....


25 posted on 01/30/2008 6:45:59 AM PST by joe fonebone (When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout)
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To: kempster

don’t forget his lying under oath and firing of witnesses cost the city 9 million dollars in judgements...but that’s OK, when this trial was on, his mama ( a congresswoman ) said that she did not care how much public money was spent on this trial, her boy was innocent...


26 posted on 01/30/2008 6:47:55 AM PST by joe fonebone (When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout)
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To: AppyPappy
My husband is a Richmonder and his mom still lives there. But the family has always lived in Henrico and Goochland, not the city. Quite a difference.

Same way in Atlanta. The suburbs are fine, but the city proper is a mess. And as you say, it's because they don't WANT to get better. The politicians are "getting theirs" and that's all they care about.

27 posted on 01/30/2008 6:49:42 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: absolootezer0

yes they do...but some damn good polish food is still available in good ol’ hamtown


28 posted on 01/30/2008 6:49:49 AM PST by joe fonebone (When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout)
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To: cowtowney

Nary a Texas city on the list.

I was born in Michigan, grew up in Michigan, went to college in Michigan. Upon graduation, I decided the state would be a basket case for the next thirty years. I took a job in Texas.

I have lived in Texas since 1979. Never regretted leaving Michigan.


29 posted on 01/30/2008 6:50:07 AM PST by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: Ditter
Rank - Misery Measure - City
 1 - 696 - Detriot, Mich. 
 2 - 689 - Stockton, Calif.
 3 - 675 - Flint, Mich.
 4 - 668 - New York, N.Y.
 5 - 648 - Fhiladelphia, Pa.
 6 - 634 - Chicago, Ill.
 7 - 632 - Los Angeles, Calif.
 8 - 631 - Modesto, Calif.
 9 - 625 - Charlotte, N.C.
10 - 611 - Providence, R.I.

30 posted on 01/30/2008 6:51:30 AM PST by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

Thanks but what is going on with Stockton CA?


31 posted on 01/30/2008 6:55:40 AM PST by Ditter
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To: cowtowney

The ironic thing is that Unionism did prevent Communism from rearing its head in this country until recently. Now, what the Unions expected from Corporations, the people now expect from Government. And Corporations did a much better and efficient job at the giveaways, retaining profitability at the same time.

The one thing I am forced to agree with Michael Moore about, is that GM did abandon Flint first. I don’t think that even Michael Moore realized the real reason-to move all the operations to the Detroit Area to lessen and slow the impact on the more politically powerful Detroit, by an auto industry in decline. It was easy for the Detroit Media to then pretend that Detroit was somehow superior to Flint when in fact the two were virtually the same.


32 posted on 01/30/2008 7:11:47 AM PST by LongTimeMILurker
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To: LongTimeMILurker

flint was a hotbed of militant unionism...that is why flint was abandoned, while at the same time lansing got a new plant and lots of new product..the lansing unions were willing to work with the company, while the unions in flint took a more militant attitude...look at the current crop of plant closings..all of them refused to alter and/or amend the work rules in the national contract, and the ones that did work with the company have been spared...


33 posted on 01/30/2008 7:22:23 AM PST by joe fonebone (When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout)
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To: kempster
"Our liberal, (but beautiful) governor..."

Waal, , IMHO, she's shure purtier than RINO Ricky Goodhair here in Texas...

...and only slightly more liberal... :-(

34 posted on 01/30/2008 7:22:26 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: TXnMA

Extra commas come at no charge this morning...


35 posted on 01/30/2008 7:24:54 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Ditter
From the article re Stockton:
The population of the Stockton metro area soared 28% over the past 10 years as people looked for affordable options to the pricey Bay Area. The population flow helped home prices jump 158% between 2000 and 2005, but they have fallen the past two years, as Stockton has one of the highest foreclosure rates in the country.

36 posted on 01/30/2008 7:27:40 AM PST by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: cowtowney
Detroit in the top spot, with its sister city Flint ranked third

Yea baby! Two out of the top three.....that's almost a grand slam!

Since we're also going to have to add Kwami Kilpatrick as one of the most, if not the most, disgusting mayors in this country, can we consider this a grand slam then?

37 posted on 01/30/2008 7:28:06 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: MplsSteve
"...Considering that I’ve heard some stories about how bad Fresno is leads me to ask “Is the Central Valley really that much of a hell hole?”...

Well, there's a ton of Mexicans there, and I don't mean Americans of hispanic descent, but rather recently arrived folks.

38 posted on 01/30/2008 7:30:59 AM PST by -=SoylentSquirrel=-
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To: joe fonebone
Folks on my dad’s side left Detroit many decades ago. Even the good jobs at Ford couldn’t keep them.
39 posted on 01/30/2008 7:31:24 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: WashingtonSource
a traffic-free mall downtown are what you’d see in a place like Detroit

Believe it or not but the city of Detroit does not have one single mall.....they're all in the suburbs...

40 posted on 01/30/2008 7:32:00 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: Ditter

Wasn’t that the town on “The Big Valley”?


41 posted on 01/30/2008 7:33:31 AM PST by stayathomemom
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To: TXnMA

Yep, but that is sure one empty suit.


42 posted on 01/30/2008 7:37:13 AM PST by kempster
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To: stayathomemom

I wonder why Stockton California is on this list ?


43 posted on 01/30/2008 7:38:02 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: kempster

it wouldn’t be bad to hire here and listen to every economic idea she has.. and do the opposite :)


44 posted on 01/30/2008 7:40:23 AM PST by absolootezer0 (white male christian hetero married gun toting SUV driving motorcycle riding conservative smoker)
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To: joe fonebone

There has been the perception that Flint was a hotbed of Unionism, but I can’t see that it is any different. Maybe in 1937, but not recently. Lansing has state government and a big college population-a hotbed of Liberalism. And a lot of those plants in Lansing have shut down also, and the Oldsmobile Brand is GONE.

It’s good to see that New York City and Chicago and others are on the list. They have such PR machines, but the truth is still getting out there.

Somehow, all cities have a serious downside. And what about Las Vegas, a town whose economy depends on activity that is illegal in other areas? How can you keep that going forever? They did have a steep decline in real estate values.


45 posted on 01/30/2008 7:43:50 AM PST by LongTimeMILurker
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To: AnAmericanMother
I was surprised to see Charlotte on there too. I have friends there that I visit and my impression of Charlotte is that it is pretty nice. Of course I probably only got to see the “nice” parts. They moved there from Boca which the husband hated.
46 posted on 01/30/2008 7:52:39 AM PST by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam.)
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To: No Truce With Kings

Shhhhhh, don’t tell anyone how nice Fort Worth is.


47 posted on 01/30/2008 7:56:09 AM PST by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam.)
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To: Ditter
Thanks but what is going on with Stockton CA?

perhaps because of the high foreclosure rate? Otherwise Fresno is lots more dank than Stockton.

48 posted on 01/30/2008 7:57:57 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: cowtowney

What Pontiac and his Indian allies couldn’t do the people of Detroit have done it themselves.


49 posted on 01/30/2008 7:59:47 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Only infidel blood can quench Muslim thirst-- Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri)
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To: cowtowney

Ya gotta love those Tigers though!


50 posted on 01/30/2008 8:01:10 AM PST by be-baw (still seeking)
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