Skip to comments.The Base is Wrong About the Gang of 14
Posted on 01/30/2008 7:19:07 AM PST by ECM
When conservatives lay out their long list of apostasies committed by John McCain, one of them is always his role in the Gang of 14, the 7 Democrats and 7 Republicans in the Senate who agreed to a judicial compromise in 2005. The deal that was struck eliminated the use of the "nuclear option" by the then-GOP-controlled Senate, and also limited the Democratic minority's ability to use the filibuster to block certain judicial nominees (at the time the deal was stuck, there were no pending Supreme Court nominations, only Appellate Court nominations were being held up).
To put it plainly, the critics of the deal are flat out wrong. Conservatives should thank John McCain and the other Senators who were part of the Gang of 14 for getting three Appeals Court nominees who had been held up, Janice Rogers Brown, William Pryor, and Priscilla Owen, approved quickly and Brett Kavanaugh approved a bit later, and for Samuel Alito making it onto the Supreme Court without a filibuster blocking his way. And they should thank John McCain for preserving for the Republican Party the use of the filibuster on judicial nominations that might be made by a Democratic President beginning in 2009 or later.
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Sorry, no sale.
I’ll vote third party or write-in before I vote for that treacherous Left-pandering creep.
Just another wrong opinion.
We’re down to four treacherous left wing creeps to choose from and they’re all about the same.
It appears that a lot of Thinkers are in the tank or on their knees for McCain.
And in doing so they stabbed the President in the back and took a pee on conservatives everywhere.
The same bunch of scum tried to push through Shamnesty for illegals...remember that thinker?
If you vote for McCain it will be on your head too.
Richard Baehr you ca go sell crazy some place else, we’re all stocked up here!
The Gang of 14 criticism of McCain would actually make sense if a negative result had actually occurred. It did not. It actually succeeded in getting two Supremes and several appeals court judges onto the bench without being filibustered. People on here and on talk radio were salivating at the prospect of a showdown over judges and using the nuclear option to force the Dems’ hand. The Gang of 14 allowed us to get what we wanted and not be responsible for breaking precedent by going nuclear. Bill Frist also deserves a ton of credit. His saber-rattling with the nuclear option made the moderate Dems more willing to go against the possibility of a filibuster that Reid and Schumer wanted to use.
Being critical of McCain over the Gang of 14 is much ado about nothing, in my opinion.
Sorry, I will never agree with his premise.
Filibustering is not tag team 20 minutes at a time. But we get JM who compromises yet again...and again...and again...siding with the dems.
Compromise is not leadership.
Have at it:)
How many unfilled openings are there right now on federal courts?!
Looks like me and the Maytag repair guy will be pretty lonely on November 4 as we both sit home with nothing to do.
The trouble is, next year Harry Reid and his apparatchiks will ram through majority votes on liberal activist judges blowing through filibusters set up by GOP. Make book This will take place next year in a Hillarita or Hussein kleptocracy. Won’t the GOP’s adherance to rules and form look pretty stupid?
I personally despise Jaun McCain for a whole host of reasons, but the “Gang of 14” is not one of them. If we get Hillary or Obama nominating Supreme Court Justices I think we will be glad we still have the fillibuster option. By the way. Is it just me or is Mitch McConnel doing a really good job as Sen, Minority Leader? Seems to me he gets the upper hand on American Gothic model Harry Reid just about every time. Way better than old Ironhair ever was IMHO.
As to the other of McCain's many sins, there are no excuses. He is a suck-up-to-the-media, suck-up-to-the-libs, anti-GOP, anti-Conservative charlatan on many, many counts.
I’m with you and so are all my conservative Republican associates. None of them like McCain and won’t vote for him. No sale here as well!!!!!!!!
I really like "expert" witnesses.
I mean I really, really like them.
“Ill vote third party or write-in before I vote for that treacherous Left-pandering creep.”
Agreed. Thought I’d write in Thompson’s name, but am thinking about voting Constitution Party.
Here comes the sell. Don’t trust your own eyes...suck it up and vote McCain...don’t waste your vote...he is too a conservative...(did I miss any??).
Apparently Mr. Baehr thinks the democrats in control of a new Senate alongside a democrat president will leave the rules intact. It’s a rule change the dems won’t think twice about making to take a filibuster from the hands of Republicans. Dems play hardball for keeps and they know their strongest allies in government are activists liberals in the judiciary.
Okay, so even if he isn’t to blame about the Gang of 14, that still doesn’t excuse the rather long laundry list of reasons why I’d never vote for the man. Are we really going to have to endure 10 months of apologists trying to erase 10 years of McCain’s attempts to undermine the party? That’s just sad.
Filibustering Executive appointments is a misuse of Senate rules that result in a violation of the Constitutional requirement for the Senate to Advise & Consent.
Once again, McCain stood on the side of a violation of the Constitution.
I will never vote for him. Never.
That’s the one. LOL.
I’ve never quite figured out what the issue was with the ‘gang of 14’. Seemed like it accomplished some good to me. So what was the problem with it?
Lay down with dogs — get up with fleas.
“Mr. McCain bruised his standing with conservatives on the issue when in 2005 he became a key player in the so-called gang of 14, which derailed an effort to end Democratic filibusters of Bush judicial nominees. More recently, Mr. McCain has told conservatives he would be happy to appoint the likes of Chief Justice John Roberts to the Supreme Court. But he indicated he might draw the line on a Samuel Alito, because “he wore his conservatism on his sleeve.”
Republicans had the majority, they should have used the nuclear option early. To paraphrase from Mdm. Pilosi “that’s what happens when you win elections.”
Thank you very much, you provided my answer. I don't want to belong to any party /organization that think like you do! Which means, if you are a 'conservative,' then, I don't want to be one!
There is a principle here more important to me than any other: LOYALTY. I could never TRUST anyone who pretends to be one of ours, but in pratice is nothing else than a surrogate for the other side.
Glad to see them catching up with what I posted last December:
“Id also note Mccain didnt stop Bush from getting his judges. That was at a total impasse before Mccain and others acted to prevent the republicans from stupidly jumping off a cliff without a parachute by using the nuke option. Only after that did Bush nominees begin to again pass the senate. No Gang of 14, no Roberts and Alito.
Had the nuke option passed, the dems today would have nothing to prevent them from doing as they wished. The last year would have been very different.”
If the Republicans even look like they're thinking about using the filibuster (highly doubtful), the Democrats will nuke it without a moment's hesitation. All the Gang of 14 did was leave the option there for the Democrats, while holding up as many of Bush's appointees as humanly possible.
Huh? He wasn't saying vote for McCain, just saying to any who gripe about "gang of 14", they should scratch that one off the list. That is a bit different, isn't it?
“Were down to four treacherous left wing creeps to choose from and theyre all about the same.”
i dont think they are quite the same
if you use ACU rankings McCain gets a lifetime 82.6 and 2006 65
while Clinton gets a 9
big difference on those scores
IMO, it’s big-time toilet bowl time for our country, our futures, our security, and our freedoms as they are about to be flushed. Pathetically, our ancestors are turning in their graves at this disgraceful election. The duped American people have been brainwashed thanks to Liberals and the MSM. Unfortunately, it’s going to get very very bad before anyone wakes up. Pray for all of us, our children, and grandchildren. Hopefully, we can turn it around once the American people realize they’ve been brainwashed and lied to.
Sure as heck, that was Big John's intent from the very beginning......../sarc
If I could speak spanish I would tell you in spanish, NO I WONT! Now that McCain needs us, its our turn to show him how we can be mavericks.
He won’t get to the WH with my help.
McCain has been stabbing conservatives in the back for years. Now he wants our support? I can’t say what I’d like to say, in polite company here, but suffice to say all I can muster is one long stream of curse words - many of them new and original and which I have invented just for McLame.
Either of the lousy RINOS will accomplish more harm than the screeching Harpy.
How did the 'gang of 14' violate the constitution? I realize that you are saying fillibustering where Advise & Consent is supposed to take place was a violation (and I concur). But the 'gang of 14' was put together as a 'peaceful' way to stop the fillibustering from happening.
Maybe I'm missing something here, so please enlighten me.
“Either of the lousy RINOS will accomplish more harm than the screeching Harpy.”
good lord how do you figure that?
You can be certain that McCain did not do it to help the conservatives. He’s not a conservative.
Some of the nominees were appointed three years ago! Frist was going nuclear and the leftists were scared. Backstabbing McCain didn’t want conservative justices so he came to the leftists rescue. He threw Bush a bone, gave the conservatives the finger, and preserved the leftists obstruction. To date one third of the judgeships on the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals are VACANT! The credit is all due McCain!
Simple. The Gang of 14 stopped the Nuclear Option from being put in place, which in turn leaves the Executive appointments filibuster still in place as a Dim option.
And THAT is the unvarnished bottom line.
After about two months, the entire nation will grit their teeth every time the beast howls. She’ll get no where.
Frauds in elephant costumes will just cruise right along, installing universal health care/socialized medicine, granting amnesty to the invading hordes, all the good stuff.
And idiots will cheer them on.