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Carter Leads Moderate Baptist Meeting
Associated Press ^ | 1-30-08 | Associated Press

Posted on 01/30/2008 7:36:48 AM PST by WalterSkinner

Weary of Southern Baptists' dominance in American Protestantism, a new push is starting by other Baptist groups aimed at working on social justice issues, and showing their religious tradition is broader than the conservative SBC. Former President Jimmy Carter is leading the effort.[snip]

Yet the biggest Baptist names at the event are prominent Democrats. Along with Carter, major speakers include former Vice President Al Gore and former President Bill Clinton, who has played a leading and provocative role in the presidential race of his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Republican Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa will also address the meeting. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, a Southern Baptist minister and GOP candidate for president, had agreed to participate, then canceled. Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina had been scheduled to speak, but instead will be campaigning with Republican presidential contender John McCain.

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..a liberal SBC conference and perhaps the birth of a new leftist denomination

The speaker's list is interesting--looks like Huck and some others were scared off--perhaps they were afraid the conservatives would find out...

1 posted on 01/30/2008 7:36:50 AM PST by WalterSkinner
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To: WalterSkinner
...Baptist groups aimed at working on social justice issues...

No Christianity here.

Just home-spun, down on the farm leftist papery!

2 posted on 01/30/2008 7:40:04 AM PST by fweingart (Give Hillary a chance. (She'll change your life.))
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To: WalterSkinner
...other Baptist groups aimed at working on social justice issues...

"Social Justice" is Newspeak for good ol' fashioned Socialism.
3 posted on 01/30/2008 7:40:55 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: WalterSkinner
I really think I missed the pyridine shift, its like I am in a Twilight Zone episode, I can remember the other universe but everyone else thinks this is all normal.

When did this big government, man made global warming born again Christian shift happen?

4 posted on 01/30/2008 7:41:50 AM PST by svcw (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: fweingart

..Carter never fails to amaze me at the lengths that he will go to, to feed his messiah complex...


5 posted on 01/30/2008 7:42:43 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: WalterSkinner
showing their religious tradition is broader than the conservative SBC.

Translation: "We don't buy into all that sin and redemption stuff."
6 posted on 01/30/2008 7:42:50 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

..someone once likened these kinds of religious groups and beliefs as “baptized Marxism”...


7 posted on 01/30/2008 7:44:10 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: WalterSkinner

What is Religion, governed by Politics? The Whore of Babylon, drunk on the blood of the saints.


8 posted on 01/30/2008 7:44:21 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Islam is a mental disorder)
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To: svcw
It has been brewing slowly for some time. The first whiff came in the late 1980s with some “progressive” churches. It grew when people started to really buy into the “If it feels good it MUST be okay” shtick.
9 posted on 01/30/2008 7:45:02 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: WalterSkinner

This is the Protestant version of Liberation Theology. A vain attempt by man to create G-d in a PC image. There was a time when it was called blasphemy.


10 posted on 01/30/2008 7:47:00 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: WalterSkinner
Isn't this little twitish twerp the most sickening thing you've seen in the last century?

Oops. Forgot Mr. and Mrs. Hillary Clinton.

11 posted on 01/30/2008 7:47:34 AM PST by fweingart (Give Hillary a chance. (She'll change your life.))
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To: svcw
..many of these folks would have left the SBC 25 years ago if there had not been a mindset to have a "big tent"--if they all leave, that is a good thing

The Republican party can learn a lesson from this--or die...

12 posted on 01/30/2008 7:47:55 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: Army Air Corps
“...”Social Justice” is Newspeak for good ol’ fashioned Socialism...”

Yep and I’ve always noticed that when churches reach to become relevant in a trendy sort of way they spin their wheels doing things like building habitat houses for those who drive $40,000 SUVs, push economics that make the real poor poorer, and push other empty-suit messages.

What the people of Central America really hunger for is the Gospel and what they get from Libs is condescending pablum. Food is not the problem in Central America. Honest upright Christians battling corruption and practicing real brotherhood and sisterhood are always in demand.

13 posted on 01/30/2008 7:49:34 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Army Air Corps

..Liberation Theology—exactly!


14 posted on 01/30/2008 7:50:26 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: WalterSkinner

Only the crAP calls Liberals, Moderates.


15 posted on 01/30/2008 7:51:11 AM PST by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: The South Texan

..he really fooled many in the conservative faith community in '76

16 posted on 01/30/2008 7:54:58 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: Monterrosa-24

No headlines in doing things like fighting corruption though Monerrosa, these folks are so foolish and short sighted, they abandon the Gospel in favor of chasing politically shifting winds.

In places like Canada this has led to the destruction of entire parrishes and the watering down of Christianity.

These are the sort of folks Paul was speaking about.


17 posted on 01/30/2008 7:55:41 AM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3)
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To: fweingart

> ...Baptist groups aimed at working on social justice
> issues...

“Social Justice” is a euphemism for taking money by threat of force from one group of people to give to another group of people.

Jesus NEVER taught that the problems of the poor should be addressed in this manner.

The Bible says that God loves a cheerful giver.

There are no cheerful givers among those who are forced to give under duress or by confiscation.

These people don’t read their Bibles.

“Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty!”

“The letter [of the law] killeth, but the spirit giveth life!”


18 posted on 01/30/2008 7:56:58 AM PST by Westbrook
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To: padre35

Old Jimmy Carter and old Jesse Helms are both from the same denomination in the South but...what a difference in performance. Helms is the Rock of Gilbralter while Carter is the laughting stock of ineptitude.

The Liberation Theology subversion among Catholics and Protestants boils down to the same problem.


19 posted on 01/30/2008 8:02:59 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Monterrosa-24

..socialistic utopianism is no substitute for God’s kingdom program...


20 posted on 01/30/2008 8:10:58 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: fweingart
Communist goals have always been to subvert institutions from within. They have and are succeeding. I'm no expert but to me it seems the fundamental message of Christianity is based on how the individual should lead their lives. While the progressive "christians" eliminate individual responsibility and put it squarely on the state and government. I don't know but to me it sure seems that collectivism is the antithesis of Christianity making the term "A left wing Christian" a contradiction. This is one of the games the left plays, they take an abstract concept that has no real basis or truth and reifies it through language into what they claim is a concrete, a truth. Its one of the reasons you often hear the left claim "words have meaning" because to them truth created through language and not something that can discovered through rationality .
21 posted on 01/30/2008 8:11:33 AM PST by Archon of the East (Universal Executive Power of the Law of Nature)
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To: Westbrook
It bothers me how they interpret Luke 4:18. They see it as Jesus commissioning his followers to feed the poor, free the prisoners, etc., when that is to be done by sharing Christ, who then gives peace and freedom through His eternal hope. Several article mention Luke 4:18 being their "textual theme" for the meeting. http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0130/p01s02-ussc.html http://www.ethicsdaily.com/static.cfm?mode=curricula_the_agenda

If you really want to feel nauseous, click on today's home page for ethicsdaily.com. Ethicsdaily is supported/funded by the CBF (Cooperative Baptist Fellowship), though they feel the need to keep their name secret.
22 posted on 01/30/2008 8:14:17 AM PST by too much time (For there are certain men crept in unawares.....Jude 1:4)
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To: WalterSkinner
Weary of Southern Baptists' dominance in American Protestantism, ...

Jimmy Carter is forming this baptist group to dominate in the area of American Protestantism.

23 posted on 01/30/2008 8:17:29 AM PST by VRWCmember (Romney 2008 - The most palatable RINO left in the race)
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To: WalterSkinner
The CBF (cooperative baptist fellowship) started less than 20 years ago, but their numbers are fake. They change existing SBC denominations by having the local church join both groups, and then send the majority of the funds to cbf (or split the funds between both groups), without telling the congregation. They then count those members in the SBC as their members. http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=23779
I almost had a stroke when I realized 50% of my tithe was given to the liberals at the CBF.

They operate very covertly. Wonder why?

24 posted on 01/30/2008 8:20:43 AM PST by too much time (For there are certain men crept in unawares.....Jude 1:4)
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To: WalterSkinner

Actually, as a Baptist, I can tell you that there are substantive differences between the SBC and Cooperative Baptists. One of which involves women in ministry. The Baptist faith & message statement prohibits (or at least heavily discourages)women in ministry or deacon roles. That’s one reason my church became more moderate, plus we wanted autonomy in where our missions dollars were spent - not dictated by the SBC.


25 posted on 01/30/2008 8:20:59 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg
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To: WalterSkinner

Step One: Form a Praise Band. Preferably with torn jeans and sandals.
Step Two: Stop talking about sin and judgement.
Step Three: Start talking about Social Justice.
Step Four: Get female clergy.
Step Five: Get gay clergy.

It has happened in most of the the mainstream denominations, following the same template. I’m suprised the Baptists held out this long.


26 posted on 01/30/2008 8:27:37 AM PST by horse_doc (Visualize a world where a tactical nuke went off at Max Yasgur's farm in 1969.)
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To: WalterSkinner
The CBF, as with most liberal groups, cannot stop the move leftward. Here is an article (yes it is probably biased because it was published by the sbc, but can be confirmed, elsewhere). It is about the CBF women singing praises to Mother God at a conference in Atlanta a few years back.
http://www.baptistpress.com/bpnews.asp?ID=11243
27 posted on 01/30/2008 8:27:53 AM PST by too much time (For there are certain men crept in unawares.....Jude 1:4)
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..Carter never fails to amaze me at the lengths that he will go to, to feed his messiah complex...

Well, he is convinced that he is G-d. A socialist, bitter, and anti-semitic one.
28 posted on 01/30/2008 8:31:28 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: horse_doc
Step One: Form a Praise Band. Preferably with torn jeans and sandals.
Step Two: Stop talking about sin and judgement.
Step Three: Start talking about Social Justice.
Step Four: Get female clergy.
Step Five: Get gay clergy.

Steps 2, 4, and 5 are outlined beautifully in Wayne Grudem's book "Evangelical Feminism and Biblical Truth." It is a predictable pattern. As we let man decide the answers, rather than God's word, we make up more and more, and use the Bible less, and less. Great book. It explained to me perfectly why the CBF'ers in my church were so desperately trying to push female deacons and ministers. And I mean "push." No kindness, 'peace,' or 'tolerance' involved in the process.
http://www.amazon.com/Evangelical-Feminism-Biblical-Truth-Questions/dp/157673840X

29 posted on 01/30/2008 8:33:30 AM PST by too much time (For there are certain men crept in unawares.....Jude 1:4)
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To: Monterrosa-24
Honest upright Christians battling corruption and practicing real brotherhood and sisterhood are always in demand.

AMEN!
30 posted on 01/30/2008 8:34:05 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: too much time
Thanks for the book reference - I'll pick it up.

I'm sorry that he missed step one, though. It really is important, in initially blurring the lines between the sacred and the profane.

I'm sure people will howl at me for saying it, but steps 2-5 follow step one every, single time, over the course of a few decades.
31 posted on 01/30/2008 8:38:24 AM PST by horse_doc (Visualize a world where a tactical nuke went off at Max Yasgur's farm in 1969.)
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To: padre35
they abandon the Gospel in favor of chasing politically shifting winds.

I recall an admonition against building one's house on shifting sands.
32 posted on 01/30/2008 8:39:12 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: WalterSkinner
Carter Leads LIBERAL Baptist Meeting

There, fixed it.

33 posted on 01/30/2008 8:42:23 AM PST by Jmouse007
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To: horse_doc

Our CBF preacher’s favorite topics are peace (and we “pass the peace” in our Baptist church), peace, tolerance, peace, diversity, and peace. He is still in a coat and tie, though - it is all a guise. He is still fooling some of the little old ladies. I don’t know how the WWII vets sit there as he quotes Bonhoffer and retells the WWI Christmas Eve story where the sweet German troops sang Holy Night with the british troops. He also likes to tell us how racist the world is and how shameful slavery was. I think he must have been racist in the past and now feels guilt from it.


34 posted on 01/30/2008 8:44:03 AM PST by too much time (For there are certain men crept in unawares.....Jude 1:4)
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To: horse_doc

..I agree with the late Harold Lindsell’s assessment in “The Battle for the Bible” and Francis Schaeffer’s “The Great Evangelical Disaster”—departure from embracing plenary Divine inspiration of and authority of the Bible leads to this...


35 posted on 01/30/2008 8:44:13 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: Army Air Corps

Or being able to tell what the weather will be without recognizing the signs of the time...


36 posted on 01/30/2008 8:47:23 AM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ Isaiah 3.3)
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To: WalterSkinner
And aren't liberals always yelling "SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!" All of these politicians - speaking as 'Baptists' - two days before Super Tuesday.
37 posted on 01/30/2008 8:47:29 AM PST by too much time (For there are certain men crept in unawares.....Jude 1:4)
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To: svcw
When did this big government, man made global warming born again Christian shift happen?

Oh...it has been around for a long time.

It has just been recently re-introduced and made popular, again, through the Purpose Driven Life (Rick Warren, Bill Hybels, etc.) and also the emergent church (Brian McLaren, Tony Campolo, Jim Wallis and etc.).

38 posted on 01/30/2008 8:47:39 AM PST by pby
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To: GeorgiaDawg
..the BFM is very carefully stated (especially the newer one) and supplies the Biblical justification for every doctrinal position

The CBF always complains that it is about autonomy and political power within the SBC, but when you boil it down to gravy, it's about the authority of the Bible and its clear teachings--women in the clergy is one of many departures from orthodoxy...

39 posted on 01/30/2008 8:53:26 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: WalterSkinner

Sounds like Jimmah Carter and friends wants to turn the Southern Baptists into United Methodists. As an evangelical Christian the United Methodist appear to have transformed themselves from a part of the body of Christ and into a PC social club. It would be tragic if the PC crowd takes captive the Southern Baptists, too.


40 posted on 01/30/2008 8:53:51 AM PST by Irish Queen (Nevada Gal)
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To: horse_doc

8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying:

“ Whom shall I send,
And who will go for Us?”

Then I said, “Here am I! Send me.”
9 And He said, “Go, and tell this people:

‘ Keep on hearing, but do not understand;
Keep on seeing, but do not perceive.’
10 “ Make the heart of this people dull,
And their ears heavy,
And shut their eyes;
Lest they see with their eyes,
And hear with their ears,
And understand with their heart,
And return and be healed.”


41 posted on 01/30/2008 8:54:14 AM PST by Rodm (Seest thou a man diligent in his business? He shall stand before kings)
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To: svcw
When did this big government, man made global warming born again Christian shift happen?

We should have expected it:
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 2Timothy 4:3

lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them. 2Timothy 3:4,5

I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. Acts 20:29,30

42 posted on 01/30/2008 8:58:37 AM PST by too much time (For there are certain men crept in unawares.....Jude 1:4)
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To: WalterSkinner
Jimmah Carter wants to force me to tithe at his church of Paganism.

He thinks he can earn his way to be with his lord; the Evil One


43 posted on 01/30/2008 9:00:56 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: WalterSkinner

We may just have to agree to disagree, but you can make doctrinal arguments for slavery and lots of other things as well. I can tell you first hand, we had some serious differences with SBC on autonomy - not just complaints, but real differences on where our missions dollars were spent. I know first hand.


44 posted on 01/30/2008 10:22:56 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg
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To: too much time

Christ Himself said the ‘sign’ of His return would be ‘deception’..... Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21....


45 posted on 01/30/2008 10:25:21 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: WalterSkinner
Weary of Southern Baptists' dominance in American Protestantism a biblical world view, a new push is starting by other worldly Baptist groups aimed at working on social justice issues pandering to the left, and showing their religious tradition is broader than the conservative SBC walking in the flesh.

There. . .fixed it.

46 posted on 01/30/2008 10:29:58 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: WalterSkinner

They’re not “moderates”....they’re liberals.


47 posted on 01/30/2008 10:35:57 AM PST by DesScorp
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To: Just mythoughts

And we are to be “in” the world, not “of” it. The liberal “christians” have a strong desire to please the world, for some reason. I think it is a combination of guilt (maybe for past racism/having trust funds/etc.) and a strong need for acceptance from the world.


48 posted on 01/30/2008 10:36:03 AM PST by too much time (For there are certain men crept in unawares.....Jude 1:4)
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To: WalterSkinner

Let them form their own liberal Baptist group. They’re just committing suicide. Every single major denomination that has turned liberal...every single one...has declined, while more conservative churches have flourished. After JPII took over the Catholic Church, that faith grew as well.


49 posted on 01/30/2008 10:39:19 AM PST by DesScorp
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To: DesScorp
Every single major denomination that has turned liberal...every single one...has declined, while more conservative churches have flourished.

Reminds me of another good book "Exodus: Why Americans are Fleeing LIberal Churches for conservative Christianity" by David Shiflett.
http://www.amazon.com/Exodus-Americans-Churches-Conservative-Christianity/dp/1595230076

50 posted on 01/30/2008 10:47:03 AM PST by too much time (For there are certain men crept in unawares.....Jude 1:4)
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