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What were Clintons thinking? (GREELEY ALERT)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | January 30, 2008 | ANDREW GREELEY

Posted on 01/30/2008 5:45:33 PM PST by Chi-townChief

Did the Clintons know what they were doing? I believe that they were unaware what they're doing to themselves by their vicious negative campaign against Sen. Barack Obama. They and their colleagues set out to destroy him by innuendo, distortion and smear. His brilliant victory in South Carolina over the weekend was too late. There is not enough time for him before next Tuesday to erase the images they have created -- a teller of fairy tales, a racial candidate, a friend of crooks. Sen. Hillary Clinton shouted him down in the debates, the former president exploded in temper tantrums.

Obama never really had a chance to fall back on his wit, his only possible defense to their waves of attack. What does a candidate say when the former president compares him to the Rev. Jesse Jackson?

Can anyone tell me why they resorted to an attack strategy? Why, in an election in which the public has made clear that they are fed up with partisan negativity, did they strive to wipe out Obama at the very beginning by treating him like they were Republicans? Did no one on their staff warn them that their tactics would only emphasize the old charges that Hillary Clinton is a polarizer?

How did they think that those who supported Obama because he offered a new kind of politics would react if their candidate was destroyed by the old politics? How did they think African-American voters, without whom they cannot hope to win an election, would feel after they had watched an African-American candidate ripped apart? How did they think the young people who had rallied to Obama (half of the white males under 30 in South Carolina) would vote in the presidential election? Were they not aware that the public might not be able endure another Clinton White House?

The attacks on Obama might have destroyed the Democratic coalition on which the Clintons are counting for an election victory. Did not they perceive that such a strategy was not only something that will defeat Obama next Tuesday, but also, to use President Clinton's phrase, "a roll of the dice"?

Hillary Clinton has repeatedly said that Democrats will rally around the winner of the primaries, no matter how rough the campaigns may have been. Democrats will kiss and make up. Maybe, but that is really a roll of the dice, a whistle in the dark as they walk by the cemetery in which they have buried the Democrats' hopes.

Why take the chance? Most states were solid for Hillary Clinton and probably still are. Why not be nice in the primaries?

Hillary Clinton's tears (authentic, I believe) in New Hampshire give us a hint. She was sad because, as she said, she feared the loss of 30 years of work. She and her husband were not only heirs of the Democratic legacy, they were the only heirs, the only ones who could save it.

Obama's victory in Iowa and the media babble about "a historic event" scared them. He had to be stopped because Hillary Clinton had a right to the nomination. Obama ought to have known better. He had to go.

If Hillary Clinton is nominated (as I still think is very likely), Sen. John McCain will be sitting pretty. Every straw poll matching him against Hillary Clinton shows him winning, even before this self-destructive primary. The Republicans will regain congressional control.

There will be eight more years of Republican misrule, and the war will continue. The Clintons will have snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory.

agreel@aol.com


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: billary; clinton; greeley; obama2008; religiousleft; sc2008
Looks like the religious left is starting to turn on Hillary and Ol' Slick. Let's hope those last few sentences come true.
1 posted on 01/30/2008 5:45:35 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief
Can anyone tell me why they resorted to an attack strategy?

as soon as i figure out why a snake drags its belly.

2 posted on 01/30/2008 5:50:06 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (what would the founders do?)
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To: Chi-townChief
Well, looks like Andrew Greely is on a heavy controlled substance trip.

Why are so many people just shocked that the Clintons are every bit as tawdry, cheap jack dishonest hucksters with absolutely no ethical or moral foundation, just like we have been screaming at them for so many years?

What the hell kind of mushrooms have they been eating anyway?

3 posted on 01/30/2008 5:50:33 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Chi-townChief

As we in the VRWC know full well, the Clintons are actually tools of Karl Rove, acting under his orders to destroy the Democrat party - and make Greeley’s head explode.


4 posted on 01/30/2008 5:51:00 PM PST by karnage
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To: Chi-townChief

No matter how I look at it, this screed is confused.


5 posted on 01/30/2008 5:51:07 PM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Chi-townChief

They think?


6 posted on 01/30/2008 5:52:09 PM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

I don’t think he is off the mark. Hillary is a shoo in, there was no need to do what they did in SC.

But they should not worry. The pubs will shoot themselves in the foot in a collosal temper fit over McCain. And Hill will be the next president. If what I hear on FR is indicative of how the single issue base will do.

Disgusting,,us and them.


7 posted on 01/30/2008 5:52:17 PM PST by cajungirl
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To: Chi-townChief

Well, the Clintons did get the teller of fairy tales part right.


8 posted on 01/30/2008 5:52:30 PM PST by squidly
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To: Chi-townChief
His brilliant victory in South Carolina over the weekend was too late.

Brilliant? LOL. He is Black (well mostly), he got 84% of the black vote, that is termed a "brilliant" strategy?

9 posted on 01/30/2008 5:52:44 PM PST by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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To: the invisib1e hand
as soon as i figure out why a snake drags its belly.

ROFL-L-L-L.

10 posted on 01/30/2008 5:53:21 PM PST by vox_freedom
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To: Chi-townChief

It’s bizarre how the left overestimates McPain’s strength. They’re completely clueless as to how much the conservative base dislikes him and won’t turn out for him in November.


11 posted on 01/30/2008 5:53:45 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: Chi-townChief
He’s actually asking why the Clintons resorted to an attack strategy??? This is what they do. They are sleazy, underhanded, corrupt, scum of the earth less than humans. They have ALWAYS behaved this way, Andrew! I’m just glad that the Dems are seeing this being foisted on one of their own for a change. That being said, I’m sure Hillary! is right that the Dems will forgive and forget the Clinton’s disgusting tactics and will rally for Hillary! in November. They’re Democrats. They have no conscience, no soul and no expectation of either in the future.
12 posted on 01/30/2008 5:54:01 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Chi-townChief
MR. Greeley (I dare not call him Father) is a dying breed of liberal Roman Catholic priests.
Thank God.
13 posted on 01/30/2008 5:56:09 PM PST by vox_freedom
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To: Chi-townChief
a whistle in the dark as they walk by the cemetery in which they have buried the Democrats' hopes.

Hey, as long as it's a Chicago cemetary, what's the big problem here?

14 posted on 01/30/2008 5:56:34 PM PST by NorCoGOP
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To: cajungirl

Do you know why he wont shake hillarys hand she has a poison ring that will shot him up with some crazy poison


15 posted on 01/30/2008 5:56:49 PM PST by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: irishjuggler

You may be underestimating the disgust and contempt for Hillary Clinton that is palpable, even among the Independents and Reagan Democrats. If anyone can get a disappointed true conservative off the couch to vote for a RINO like John McCain, it is Hillary Clinton. She will be blown away outside of the Northeast and California.


16 posted on 01/30/2008 5:59:07 PM PST by Zebra
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To: Chi-townChief
Did the Clintons know what they were doing?...They and their colleagues set out to destroy him by innuendo, distortion and smear...Can anyone tell me why they resorted to an attack strategy?...Why, in an election in which the public has made clear that they are fed up with partisan negativity...Hillary Clinton's tears (authentic, I believe)

Greeley is a leftist which means he has never actually completed a thought. I never thought he was retarded...until now.

17 posted on 01/30/2008 6:07:59 PM PST by stevem
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To: Chi-townChief
Did the Clintons know what they were doing?...They and their colleagues set out to destroy him by innuendo, distortion and smear...Can anyone tell me why they resorted to an attack strategy?...Why, in an election in which the public has made clear that they are fed up with partisan negativity...Hillary Clinton's tears (authentic, I believe)

Greeley is a leftist which means he has never actually completed a thought. I never thought he was retarded...until now.

18 posted on 01/30/2008 6:08:29 PM PST by stevem
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To: Chi-townChief
...a whistle in the dark as they walk by the cemetery in which they have buried the Democrats' hopes.

No, the cemetery is where the Democrats come to life on election day.

19 posted on 01/30/2008 6:10:22 PM PST by Nachoman (My guns and my ammo, they comfort me.)
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To: Chi-townChief
I had an interesting discussion with one of my colleagues today regarding the Clintons.

She has been a supporter of both of them for years.

She was stunned at how they have been acting towards Obama, and was quite angry at them.

I told her that I have seen that side of the Clintons for years.

Her response was hysterical,"Yes but it is okay when they attack you guys, it's not right to go after one of our own like that."

20 posted on 01/30/2008 6:13:02 PM PST by mware (Americans in arm chairs doing the work of the media.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine
Why are so many people just shocked that the Clintons are every bit as tawdry, cheap jack dishonest hucksters with absolutely no ethical or moral foundation, just like we have been screaming at them for so many years?

It's pretty damn funny, actually, if it weren't that the public seems to be already set up for a Barak vs. McCain election next November.

21 posted on 01/30/2008 6:17:44 PM PST by xJones
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To: cajungirl

By November, it’ll be obvious that the fracture between democrats is greater than that between republicans. Their SC fiasco left more than a bruise.
Republicans of all stripes (including white women, her strongest demographic, but especially, white men),many independents and some democrats are simply more determined to keep Mrs. Clinton out of the White House than a bitterly split democratic party is capable or even driven to keep a republican out. Republicans will grudgingly reconcile; Democrats are eating themselves.


22 posted on 01/30/2008 6:19:20 PM PST by BIV
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To: Zebra

“If anyone can get a disappointed true conservative off the couch to vote for a RINO like John McCain, it is Hillary Clinton.”

Which is precisely our best hope. I think we’d have more trouble with Obama than Hillary. She is absolutely toxic.


23 posted on 01/30/2008 6:20:45 PM PST by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .....)
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To: mware
One thing I have noted over 80 years of watching Political Antics, no matter who the Dems select as a standard bearer, they will all rally around that person. Not the Pubbies if they don’t get their person they want to take their ball and go home.
24 posted on 01/30/2008 6:21:39 PM PST by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy, other times I let her sleep/)
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To: Chi-townChief
They and their colleagues set out to destroy him by innuendo, distortion and smear.

Funny how all these lefties have gotten religion this year.

Where were they when the Clintons did the same thing to the Bush family, all of his female accusers and their Republican enemies in Congress?

25 posted on 01/30/2008 6:26:25 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: BIV

I hope you are right.


26 posted on 01/30/2008 6:35:09 PM PST by cajungirl
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To: BIV

I hope you are right.


27 posted on 01/30/2008 6:35:16 PM PST by cajungirl
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To: BooBoo1000
At the rate things are going, it could be a bit like 1860. Maybe the race will end in a photo-finish: 25% McCain, 25% Hillary, 20% Romney, 20% Obama, 5% Paul, 2% Kucinich, 2% Buchanan, and 1% Steven Colbert.

But I think it's more likely Hillary will manage to crush Obama, a lot of Democrats will be mad for a few weeks, and then they'll all come back to support her out of hatred for the Republican Party.

28 posted on 01/30/2008 6:42:14 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Zebra

Perhaps, but let’s not forget that the Clintons, as despicable as they are, have an uncanny knack at winning elections. By hook or crook, they haven’t lost one since 1980. They just might figure out a way to win this one, and McCain is probably their weakest possible adversary.


29 posted on 01/30/2008 6:43:12 PM PST by irishjuggler
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To: Chi-townChief
They are Grifters. It’s all they know.
30 posted on 01/30/2008 7:03:47 PM PST by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: vox_freedom

“They and their colleagues set out to destroy him by innuendo, distortion and smear.”
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Typical Clinton operating procedure....would be nice to see it backfired.


31 posted on 01/30/2008 7:05:07 PM PST by cowdog77 (Circle the Wagons)
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To: irishjuggler

Yes, but all the people that Bill has campaigned for since they left the White House have lost.
I think McCain will win in a landslide.


32 posted on 01/30/2008 7:19:01 PM PST by georgia peach (georgia peach)
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To: Chi-townChief
Why, in an election in which the public has made clear that they are fed up with partisan negativity, did they strive to wipe out Obama at the very beginning by treating him like they were Republicans?

Interesting sentence structure here. The Clintons invented and perfected the Politics of Personal Destruction - whether partisan or intra-party - they destroy anyone or anything in their way. Secondly, the Republicans have treated Obama with much more respect, so far, than the Clintons treat Obama. Is Greeley indicating that the Clintons were attacking Obama as if the Clintons were Republicans? Greeley's inhaling too much incense!

33 posted on 01/30/2008 7:34:50 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Chi-townChief

Is this the Roman Catholic priest who writes the trashy novels and lefty drivel?


34 posted on 01/30/2008 7:38:58 PM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: Chi-townChief
Can anyone tell me why they resorted to an attack strategy? Why, in an election in which the public has made clear that they are fed up with partisan negativity, did they strive to wipe out Obama at the very beginning by treating him like they were Republicans? Did no one on their staff warn them that their tactics would only emphasize the old charges that Hillary Clinton is a polarizer?

Hillary Clinton has repeatedly said that Democrats will rally around the winner of the primaries, no matter how rough the campaigns may have been. Democrats will kiss and make up. Maybe, but that is really a roll of the dice, a whistle in the dark as they walk by the cemetery in which they have buried the Democrats' hopes.

Bill could have gotten away with it - SHE CAN'T.

Bill is a liar, a serial abuser and a backstabber, and always has been. But his aw-shucks personality and charisma made sheeple overlook his obvious faults. Everyone knew he did it with Monica in the oral office, but he bit his lip, he stuck out his thumb, and gave the ladies that crooked grin while he lied though his teeth, and they bought it!

That "halo" effect doesn't translate to other people. While one person's bad behavior makes him a "likable rogue", the same antics from his shrill harpy of a wife don't get the same reviews.

That's my explanation of how you can use the same campaign staff, the same plan, and the same methods and get nowhere near the same reaction from the public.

35 posted on 01/30/2008 8:31:18 PM PST by ZOOKER ( Support global warming ... we midwesterners need a coastline too!)
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To: Chi-townChief

Below is an excerpt from a previous Greeley article reviewing Hillary’s book “Living History”.

My how Andy has turned on this “woman of deep religious faith”.

“Hence it would seem that the success of Sen. Clinton’s book is continued evidence that people are still fascinated and even charmed by the Clintons despite the ill will of the critics. They are not put off by a man whom the media dislike because he’s ‘’poor white trash’’ and is too smart for his own good, or by his wife, who is also too smart and should have stayed home to make cookies.

The biggest surprise of all for me when I began to read the book is that it is a love story and a story of religious faith. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton loves her husband. She has always loved him and still loves him. He retains his ability, as she says, to make her laugh. She has often been furious at him and with good reason. Yet she still loves him and still is ready to forgive him. The begrudgers of both genders who do not like that or scoff at it are not the majority—not the kind of women and men who rushed out to buy the book and collect her signature. Moreover, she is a woman of deep religious faith, an example of the socially concerned Methodism that has accomplished so much good in our country. “


36 posted on 01/30/2008 9:37:43 PM PST by saluki
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To: Chi-townChief

This is the same Greeley who once wrote the following about this “deeply religious woman” in an article reviewing her book “Living History”:

“The biggest surprise of all for me when I began to read the book is that it is a love story and a story of religious faith. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton loves her husband. She has always loved him and still loves him. He retains his ability, as she says, to make her laugh. She has often been furious at him and with good reason. Yet she still loves him and still is ready to forgive him. The begrudgers of both genders who do not like that or scoff at it are not the majority—not the kind of women and men who rushed out to buy the book and collect her signature. Moreover, she is a woman of deep religious faith, an example of the socially concerned Methodism that has accomplished so much good in our country. “


37 posted on 01/30/2008 9:37:55 PM PST by saluki
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Why, in an election in which the public has made clear that they are fed up with partisan negativity, did they strive to wipe out Obama at the very beginning by treating him like they were Republicans?

Nice try, sonny. In fact, they were treating Obama as if he were a Republican. They've done it before and nobody turned a hair.

38 posted on 01/30/2008 9:42:15 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Chi-townChief

Chicago’s pornographer-priest displays all the insight of a sea cucumber. Something about selling out to the peckerwoods from Arkinsaw that snuffs out meaningful thought.


39 posted on 01/30/2008 10:21:09 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Chi-townChief

The Clintons know winning is the name of the game, not how you played.

Countering the conventional wisdom, Hillary will sign Obama on as V-P to bring the Obama supporters back into the fold, and the Dem sheep will follow because they want to win.


40 posted on 01/31/2008 7:42:55 AM PST by wildbill
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To: hinckley buzzard

Sea cucumbers - now there’s a nasty “vegetable” !!!


41 posted on 01/31/2008 7:44:55 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: kalee

Yes, this is the novelist. I once heard a Catholic priest comment of Andrew Greeley, “no thought left unpublished.”


42 posted on 01/31/2008 8:23:40 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Chi-townChief
Can anyone tell me why they resorted to an attack strategy? Why, in an election in which the public has made clear that they are fed up with partisan negativity, did they strive to wipe out Obama at the very beginning by treating him like they were Republicans? Did no one on their staff warn them that their tactics would only emphasize the old charges that Hillary Clinton is a polarizer?

This is a joke right?

What's in the Barrett Report, Greeley?

43 posted on 01/31/2008 8:28:54 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Chi-townChief

I haven’t heard much out of Billary since Big Teddy’s announcement. They must be layin’ low and readin’ them polls.


44 posted on 01/31/2008 8:30:35 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Uh, excuse me, you Liberals out there?

I don't know how to break this to you, after the eight years of rapes, fondles, gropes, lies and flying ashtrays, but these people are unprincipled animals who will lie about anything for fun. Why the heck would you expect to be treated better by the Clintons than any of the Republicans they have smeared and utterly destroyed?

45 posted on 01/31/2008 8:37:42 AM PST by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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