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Berlin Dig Finds City Older Than Thought
Yahoo News - AP ^ | 1-30-2008 | David Risin

Posted on 01/31/2008 6:45:24 AM PST by blam

Berlin dig finds city older than thought

By DAVID RISING, Associated Press Writer
Wed Jan 30, 1:59 PM ET

BERLIN - An archaeological dig in downtown Berlin has uncovered evidence that the German capital is at least 45 years older than had previously been established, authorities said Wednesday.

During excavation work last week in the Mitte district, archaeologists uncovered a wooden beam from an ancient earthen cellar, said Karin Wagner of the city-state's office for historical preservation.

It was in exceptionally good condition, having lain under the water table for centuries, and scientists were able to determine from a sample taken that it had been cut down in 1192.

That means it dates to 45 years before the official date of Berlin's birth, 1237 — the year in which documents first mention the settlement, referring to the priest of the Petrikirche church, which stood not far from the site of the new dig.

Wagner said the best guess is that the cellar — measuring about 10 by 13 feet — was built around the time the tree was cut.

"The archaeologists know it was felled in 1192. What it doesn't prove is that it was built in 1192, but it probably was at least within a year or two," she said.

The dig has been going on since last 2007 in Berlin's Petriplatz, an area near the Spree river where the settlement was originally known as "Coelln," with Berlin being on the other side of the banks.

In addition to being home to the Petrikirche — which was badly damaged in World War II and was eventually removed entirely in 1960 by East Berlin's communist authorities to build a parking lot — it also housed an early City Hall and a Latin school, Wagner said.

The cellar where the wood beam was found would have belonged to a building that predated the Latin school, but on the same site, Wagner said.

Even with the find, Berlin remains young compared with other European capitals such as Paris and London, which predate it by hundreds of years.

But it adds a new chapter to the city's history,

"We had hoped with the excavation to be able to show the people of Berlin a piece of their history," dig leader Claudia Melisch told Die Zeit weekly. "And now we have really found the cradle of Berlin here by the Spree."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: berlin; dig; older

1 posted on 01/31/2008 6:45:24 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 01/31/2008 6:45:42 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

No beer stains?............


3 posted on 01/31/2008 6:48:52 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: blam
Older than thought?

For me, I guess it was somewhere around 1952 or 3 when I first started to think.

This is news ?


/8^)

4 posted on 01/31/2008 6:52:33 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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"Can you dig it?"

5 posted on 01/31/2008 6:58:48 AM PST by Enterprise (Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!)
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To: Red Badger

LOL. Wood from old US breweries, cypress for the most part, is quite valued, both for the look and properties.


6 posted on 01/31/2008 7:30:47 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: blam
And what if the beam is "reclaimed" wood? The most obvious example I can think of is the barn in the UK built with wood from The Mayflower.

And back then, I'm sure recycling was more economically viable by necessity...

But, as the article states, it's not like knocking a few decades off the "founding" of Berlin is really going to put them in the "old boys club" of cities.

7 posted on 01/31/2008 7:31:06 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke

Maybe this “old cellar” was a rathskeller!?..........


8 posted on 01/31/2008 7:33:58 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Red Badger
Hehe. Could be. Back then, before the welfare state, bars and taverns could only make it in viable places.

And it did turn out to be quite an interesting place to start a city.

Of course, it's lacking the panache of a "Romulus and Remus" myth, but still...

9 posted on 01/31/2008 7:53:08 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: blam

Super! Now my 750 Jahre Gerz Berlin comemerative beer stein has become an antique?


10 posted on 01/31/2008 7:58:10 AM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: Enterprise

"Can you dig it?"

11 posted on 01/31/2008 8:00:07 AM PST by dfwgator (11+7+15=3 Heismans)
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To: blam
"The archaeologists know it was felled in 1192. What it doesn't prove is that it was built in 1192, but it probably was at least within a year or two," she said.

I call BS.

No possible way can any form of dating nail anything that precisely.

12 posted on 01/31/2008 8:13:28 AM PST by JOAT
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“Come out to play-ee-yay...”


13 posted on 01/31/2008 8:21:08 AM PST by SpinnerWebb (Islam ... If you can't join them, beat them.)
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To: blam
They discovered varicose veins.
14 posted on 01/31/2008 8:35:24 AM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: knarf

Human beings have been thinking ever since they have been human, but Berlin predates thought. I guess the point is they wouldn’t have put a city there if they’d been thinking.


15 posted on 01/31/2008 9:23:21 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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