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Nice (Russian navy) cruise - pity about the propaganda
Ria Novosti,Russia ^ | 30/ 01/ 2008 | Nikita Petrov

Posted on 01/31/2008 7:04:42 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

Nice cruise - pity about the propaganda

16:39 | 30/ 01/ 2008

MOSCOW. (Nikita Petrov for RIA Novosti) - A combined naval strike group from the Northern and Black Sea fleets, headed by Russia's only aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, is currently completing exercises in the Atlantic and the Mediterranean.

The Black Sea Fleet's flagship, the missile cruiser Moskva commanded by Capt. Igor Smolyak, will shortly set a course for its home base - Sevastopol. But first it will call at Portugal's capital Lisbon, where the crew will take a well-earned rest and tour the city, before brief joint tactical maneuvers in the Bay of Biscay with a Portuguese ship.

The grand finale of the Atlantic exercise will be a coordinated maneuver between the naval strike group and long-range aviation. In the last days of January and early days of February more than 40 Russian aircraft will converge over the ocean.

They will include Tu-160 (Blackjack) and Tu-95MS strategic missile aircraft, Tu-22M3 long-range bombers, MiG-31 (Foxhound) and Su-33 fighters, Il-78 (Midas) refuellers, and A-50 early warning aircraft. The aircraft will practice reconnaissance, attacks on a dummy enemy with missiles and bombs, and aerial combat.

The Admiral Kuznetsov, with the anti-submarine ships Admiral Chabanenko and Admiral Levchenko, and the supply ships Sergei Osipov and Ivan Bubnov, will then head towards Severomorsk, the base of the Northern Fleet.

The Russian vessels will again skirt Europe's western coast, escorted by planes of Russia's long-range aviation squadrons, and ships and aircraft from NATO countries.

In early February, the strike group will return home. They will have covered some 12,000 nautical miles.

The Russian navy has acquitted itself well on this cruise, putting on a performance worthy of its country and the St. Andrew's Flag. All types of missile and artillery weapons were fired.

The maneuvers included live firing of all the full armory of missile and artillery systems, including the Bazalt anti-ship attack system; the Fort medium-range system; the Osa-M close range surface-to-air system; as well as AK-130 130mm artillery and six-barrelled AK-630M 30 mm cannons.

The missiles and shells successfully hit their targets - as was extensively reported on Russian TV.

Fighter pilots and helicopter crews from the Admiral Kuznetsov and the Admiral Chabanenko confirmed the hits. American and German sailors who watched the exercise can also vouch for the results.

This was a performance by the sailors and pilots to be proud of. If only the same could be said for the TV crews.

Television reports waxed lyrical about "the revival of the Russian navy," and were liberally peppered with phrases like "our ships have nearly ousted the 6th U.S. Fleet from the Mediterranean" and "the St. Andrew's Flag is back in the ocean expanses."

Wishful thinking was always the undeclared principle of Soviet party propaganda. And somehow this principle has grown and expanded on television, especially with regard to the army and navy.

It is not very gentlemanly to compare our only, gas turbine propelled, aircraft carrier accompanied by three warships, with the U.S. 6th Fleet. Neither in make-up, nor in combat capability.

The Kuznetsov, for example, has about 50 aircraft. The nine nuclear-powered Nimitz-class carriers of the United States navy each carry 80. They also carry four E-2C early warning aircraft, which can spot targets hundreds of kilometers from the ship. Our ship has no such planes. There is no need to continue.

The revival of the navy is also too early to discuss.

The Admiral Kuznetsov was laid down at Nikolayev (now in Ukraine) in 1982 and entered service in the 1990s. Russia has no other aircraft carriers either sailing or under construction. No production facilities yet exist for their production.

The Admiral Levchenko was built in 1988. Its cousin Admiral Chabanenko was laid down in 1990 and commissioned in 1999, while the Moskva was completed in 1983. Its first name was Slava.

Russia does not yet build new cruisers or Chabanenko-class anti-submarine destroyers. It is now looking forward to a new class of ships - frigates. How they will fare is a big question. So it is too soon to lavish praise on the navy.

Especially since its Main Command plans to move from Moscow to the Admiralty building in St. Petersburg, while the Institute of Naval Engineering, which is currently occupies the building, is to be relocated to Pushkin, a suburb of St. Petersburg.

All this will call for huge effort and expense. The top brass will probably have no time left to deal with the construction of new cruisers, frigates or corvettes. Let alone to revive the navy.

It cannot be ruled out that the television campaign about the "revival of the Russian navy," has been deliberate: to turn public attention away from the big scandal over the move to St. Petersburg, and, above all, to divert the attention of naval veterans, who are protesting against the move and have even sent an open letter to President Putin.

Advertising campaigns always have a hidden agenda.

The opinions expressed in this article are the author's and do not necessarily represent those of RIA Novosti.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aircraftcarrier; navair; navy; russia; russiannavy
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Russian aircraft carrier-The Admiral Kuznetsov

1 posted on 01/31/2008 7:04:43 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Big target to a submarine.


2 posted on 01/31/2008 7:06:54 AM PST by bmwcyle (What is the American voter thinking?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Ski ramp flight decks seem to be all the rage on European carriers. I wonder if that’s done to cut costs, instead of building a longer ship?


3 posted on 01/31/2008 7:08:19 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Looks like it has rust on its side...


4 posted on 01/31/2008 7:09:18 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana

“Looks like it has rust on its side...”

Russia needs all the allies it can get.


5 posted on 01/31/2008 7:10:04 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: bmwcyle

That depnds on the the current state of Russky ASW capabilities. In theory, any surface ship is a target for a sub; the question is what is the state of Russian ASW.


6 posted on 01/31/2008 7:10:30 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Let’s see how it matches up to Red China’s carrier.

Oh that’s right. They don’t have a carrier unless you want to count the one they are using as a casino.


7 posted on 01/31/2008 7:11:16 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

The French don’t use it.


8 posted on 01/31/2008 7:12:45 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

There is a ton of pics of the carrier on this site. Looks like they were taken by a sailor on a passing cargo ship (Spanish site)

http://maquetas.mforos.com/353336/6654206-sorpresita-en-el-estrecho/


9 posted on 01/31/2008 7:15:20 AM PST by Mac94
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
“Looks like it has rust on its side...”
Russia needs all the allies it can get


LMAO

*POST OF THE DAY!*

That was excellent! ;)
10 posted on 01/31/2008 7:18:33 AM PST by mkjessup (GOP + FOX + National Review = The NEW "Axis of RINOs")
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To: Mac94

All the aircraft and the ship still have red stars on them???


11 posted on 01/31/2008 7:21:05 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: bmwcyle

Not quite as big as all the US super carriers though


12 posted on 01/31/2008 7:22:00 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: Army Air Corps

I was in the submarine force. Submarines rule the sea. The age of the carrier is over.


13 posted on 01/31/2008 7:23:03 AM PST by bmwcyle (What is the American voter thinking?)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

As I recall, originallythe ski-jumps were added after the ships were already built. Basically, they make for more efficiency in carrier operations by enabling planes to be loaded with more ordnance.


14 posted on 01/31/2008 7:23:47 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: Army Air Corps; Doohickey; SmithL

ASW?

Important targets.


15 posted on 01/31/2008 7:24:18 AM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

The ski-ramp does wonders for fuel/payload, apparently. However I believe it ties the carrier to use only by vectored thrust aircraft.


16 posted on 01/31/2008 7:24:32 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: bmwcyle

Only two types of vessels at sea - submarines, and TARGETS! :)


17 posted on 01/31/2008 7:25:06 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: bmwcyle
I was in the submarine force. Submarines rule the sea. The age of the carrier is over.

I thought it was attack subs that kept Carrier battle groups safe from other subs? No?

Regards

18 posted on 01/31/2008 7:25:54 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: agere_contra

Or I should say the ramp doesn’t do this, but the short length of a lot of smaller carriers e.g. Indian, UK ones - does. Don’t know really.


19 posted on 01/31/2008 7:27:39 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: 2banana

Yup, I think Russian Air and Naval forces still use the Red Star, they just also put the Russian Red, White and Blue flag. The star remains, the hammer and sickle are gone.


20 posted on 01/31/2008 7:27:49 AM PST by Mac94
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The De Gaulle can support catapaults. If the article is correct and it’s gas turbine then the Kuznetsov can’t.


21 posted on 01/31/2008 7:29:54 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Vanders9

Umm,nope.Most aircraft launched from a ski-jump cannot take off at maximum load,unless their max-weight is already low(like the Harrier),which has paltry endurance.So that reduces the range/payload you talk about.

Unlike a catapult launched aircraft.


22 posted on 01/31/2008 7:30:44 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

Yea, it’s like an aircraft carrier with training wheels...


23 posted on 01/31/2008 7:32:02 AM PST by Axenolith (Brother, Can you spare a tagline?)
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To: agere_contra

A Harrier can carry upto a ton of extra payload if launched via a ski-jump,which is why the Brits went ahead with that modification.


24 posted on 01/31/2008 7:33:05 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Non-Sequitur

All that I’ve read about the Kuznetsov says that it has steam turbines.First time,Im reading about gas turbines.


25 posted on 01/31/2008 7:33:56 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: ARE SOLE

Sometimes, when a sub fires all hell breaks loose. A sub can be in the path of a carrier group going 4 knots and no one knows it is there. You fire a shot and the crap flys from every submarine in the area.


26 posted on 01/31/2008 7:36:46 AM PST by bmwcyle (What is the American voter thinking?)
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To: Vroomfondel; SC Swamp Fox; Fred Hayek; NY Attitude; P3_Acoustic; Bean Counter; investigateworld; ...
SONOBUOY PING!

Real carriers aren't handicap accessible.

Click on pic for past Navair pings.

Post or FReepmail me if you wish to be enlisted in or discharged from the Navair Pinglist.
This is a medium to low volume pinglist.

27 posted on 01/31/2008 7:37:40 AM PST by magslinger (cranky right-winger)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
“Looks like it has rust on its side...”

sia needs all the allies it can get.

====================

Oh,brother! What a card...a regular joker!

28 posted on 01/31/2008 7:39:43 AM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: 2banana
Interesting though that the entire name says "Fleet Admiral of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov".


29 posted on 01/31/2008 7:47:48 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Benedict Arnold was against the Terrorist Surveillance Program)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
I wonder if that’s done to cut costs, instead of building a longer ship?

How are you Rb? Good to see you.

One thought on another possibility of the ski ramp: Perhaps it allows for launching of aircraft, in a safer manner, in the event of high waves?

30 posted on 01/31/2008 7:48:38 AM PST by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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To: bmwcyle
indeed they are...



(Picture taken by a class 212a u-boot during a large scale marine manouver - the US Navy strongly emphazised the need for a better protection against conventional subs afterwards)
31 posted on 01/31/2008 7:48:45 AM PST by Rummenigge (there are people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: AppyPappy; Jeff Head
Uh, no...the Red Chinese are doing a bit more with their carrier than using it as a casino.

Varyag Transformation

32 posted on 01/31/2008 7:49:54 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (“We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!” --Duncan Hunter)
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To: Rummenigge

We sank the French Carrier four times during war games in the Med. It really pissed them off. We had fun.


33 posted on 01/31/2008 7:51:01 AM PST by bmwcyle (What is the American voter thinking?)
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To: Michael.SF.

Good to see you too, Michael. Another poster PM’d me that the ramp is an alternative for not having a catapult launch system.


34 posted on 01/31/2008 7:51:21 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: Michael.SF.
One thought on another possibility of the ski ramp: Perhaps it allows for launching of aircraft, in a safer manner, in the event of high waves?

No, the sole purpose of the ski jump is to allow V/STOL aircraft to get airborne with a shorter takeoff run. It replaces the catapault.

35 posted on 01/31/2008 7:53:45 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: bmwcyle

conventional or SSN ?


36 posted on 01/31/2008 7:54:07 AM PST by Rummenigge (there are people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Rummenigge

ahh stupid question - you guys just run nuclear... forget it


37 posted on 01/31/2008 7:54:42 AM PST by Rummenigge (there are people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Mac94

Neat pics.....

Is it just me, or is that flight deck much closer to the waterline than our carriers?


38 posted on 01/31/2008 7:54:48 AM PST by rottndog (McCain....We don't need no stinkin' McCain....)
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To: Rummenigge

USS Glenard P. Lipscomb


39 posted on 01/31/2008 7:55:03 AM PST by bmwcyle (What is the American voter thinking?)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

It’s more a poor man’s alternative.


40 posted on 01/31/2008 7:56:52 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: bmwcyle

“Sometimes, when a sub fires all hell breaks loose. A sub can be in the path of a carrier group going 4 knots and no one knows it is there. You fire a shot and the crap flys from every submarine in the area.”

I presume you are talking about attack simulations.


41 posted on 01/31/2008 7:57:23 AM PST by Kirkwood
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To: rottndog

Sure looks like it, doesn’t it


42 posted on 01/31/2008 7:59:43 AM PST by Mac94
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To: bmwcyle

Interesting boat... and was it anything like Clancy described it - playing cat and mouse with the russian boomers ?


43 posted on 01/31/2008 8:04:13 AM PST by Rummenigge (there are people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Kirkwood

Simulation often tells you what will happen in real life.


44 posted on 01/31/2008 8:06:43 AM PST by bmwcyle (What is the American voter thinking?)
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To: 2banana
Looks like it has rust on its side...

Even ours' have rust on their sides after they've been to sea for a while. I got to see the Eisenhower from helicopter after we'd been to sea for 5 months of an 8 month cruise. The boat was orange! We later pulled in to Jebal Ali for a port call and they had contractors paint the entire exterior in three days. Quite impressive.

45 posted on 01/31/2008 8:14:46 AM PST by Drew68
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To: bmwcyle

The grand finale of the Atlantic exercise will be a coordinated maneuver between the naval strike group and long-range aviation. In the last days of January and early days of February more than 40 Russian aircraft will converge over the ocean.
Hopefully they will collide.


46 posted on 01/31/2008 8:22:06 AM PST by wingsof liberty
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To: wingsof liberty

Or drop out of the sky due to being old.


47 posted on 01/31/2008 8:24:31 AM PST by bmwcyle (What is the American voter thinking?)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

You be bad! Funny.


48 posted on 01/31/2008 8:24:44 AM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: 2banana

If you’re talking about the brownish area ahead of the hull number, that’s its name painted on the side.


49 posted on 01/31/2008 8:37:37 AM PST by Cheburashka (Liberalism: a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.)
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To: 2banana
The naval flag is the St. Andrew’s Cross, like it was under the Tzars. The aircraft roundel is still the red star.

Tad inconsistent, but hey...

50 posted on 01/31/2008 8:41:51 AM PST by Cheburashka (Liberalism: a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.)
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