Posted on 02/01/2008 9:33:23 AM PST by FR_addict
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/
Ted Sampley, a Vietnam Veteran and former Green Beret, issued a CHALLENGE to John McCain "If you can show us that the information presented in our mailer is untruthful . . . we will Stand Down" This CHALLENGE was issued during an interview with INSIDE EDITION on January 17, 2008.
John, family members of Vietnam POW/MIA(s) have been waiting for more then 14 years for you to have the courage to face them eye to eye in front of the American Public - Here is your opportunity for some "STRAIGHT TALK." Stop hiding behind your fabricated "War Hero" persona. You know we can prove your collaborations with declassified government documents . . . It is time for the American people to get to know the REAL John McCain - the John McCain that the POW/MIA families witnessed during the 1991-93 US Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs .
Bring It On John! HERE IS OUR NUMBER 252-527-0442
Is it legitimate?
just watch the videos
yes it does look legit - Sampley is the same guy with Vietnam Vets against Kerry
Yes, I believe it all had to do with a brother-in-law’s extensive business interests in Vietnam.
I think this will backfire. The guy was in the Hanoi Hilton for Pete’s sake. I don’t think his heroism is questionable. There are plenty of questions about his conservatism to take up the slack.
“Stop hiding behind your fabricated “War Hero” persona”
I don’t think McCain has called himself a war hero. He was a pilot that got shot down and became a POW that tried to follow the code of conduct. Other people ramp up the war hero persona, usually those that support him.
In essence, without looking at a bunch of mpegs and testimoney, what DID the 1991-93 testimony reveal?
Is there a generic ‘VietNam vets against...’ group, that just fills in the blanks as it sees fit?
Can we assume he really meant,
"You know we can use declassified government documents to prove your collaborations?"
About time somebody said something cuz Romney and Huckabee can’t chastise McCain, he served in the war remember? He also did it for patriotism not for profit...profit bad! Very very bad!
JUST TEN of the 100s of REASONS
NOT TO SUPPORT MCCAIN
(1) McCain gave military secrets to the Viet Cong. Which he admitted to in his own book.
(2) McCain made radio announcements for the Viet Cong telling American sailors and soldiers not to fight and to give up.
(3) McCain cheated on his wife with more than one woman and admitted it.
(4) McCain left his wife when she was sickly and needed him most.
(5)McCain repeatedly mistreated the POW-MIAs’ wives and families and activists on many occasions.
(6) McCain did all he could to normalize US-VIET NAM Relations in opposition to most US veterans groups.
(7) McCain signed that death warrant for any and all living US POW-MIAs in VIET NAM by normalizing relations.
(8) McCain was heavily involved in the Keating 5.
(9) McCain did nothing about Clinton’s Treason of selling NUKES to the Chinese for ten million in illegal Communist Chinese Campaign money... Even though he was in the unique position to do something about it as the Chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee.
(10) McCain’s so-called “Campaign Finance Reform” Bill is totally unconstitutional and would stop free speech..... even religious speech!
Sampley isn't questioning his heroism; he's telling him not to use it as a shield. What he's questioning is McCain's actions regarding POW/MIA issues while in the Senate.
The guy was in the Hanoi Hilton for Pete’s sake.
which doesn’t give a guy a pass on being scrutinized. But I challenge anyone that has not been incarcerated and tortured like McCain, to question his loyalty due to the fact he decided to stay a few more years even though he had the opportunity just because his dad was an admiral running the show. I would say he was ‘patriotic’ as much as a POW can be in those circumstances, as was others, whose arms and legs were tied behind their backs for significant periods of time.
Many of these negative comments are utterly pathetic but, hey, free speech, baby.
I don't want McCain to be President because of the Keating 5, because of his opposition to tax cuts, because of McCain-Feingold, because of his age, because of his lack of leadership experience, because of his noted thin skin, because of his blowing off of Conservatives just to be considered "cool" by the Washington elites, etc.
Yes, and that is where the heroic element comes into play.
I’m another VietNam vet who will not support McLame but my dislike for McLame has nothing to do with his war record.
McLame is a RINO, has not supported our men and women in uniform today, is one of the “gang of 14” who betrayed President Bush and ambushed legislation for fighting terrorism, etc, etc.
McLame is not a conservative. In fact as previously mentioned as a running mate for Hillary, does not have many redeeming political values, IMHO.
Doc Wheeler says that the ruskies and the CIA have the documents that prove Mccain collaborated and was rewarded with a hotel suite and two “comfort” women.
For cripes sakes ... McCain is a survivor, not a hero.
People that weren't there in Hanoi, can't possibly know what he went through and have some sort of comic book notion of what they would do in the same situation. Going after McCain's war record is a BIG loser, IMO.
Which would be the best thing for the Republican Party..
I call McCain a survivor, not a hero. Survival is good, but he did collaborate.
Other POWs died, but McCain got repeated hospital treatments that others did not.
While I have never been in that position and hope to God I never will be, he is not the hero he’d like you to think he is.
I don’t know if McCain collaborated with the enemy while imprisoned in Viet Nam.
But I had heard this “rumor” years ago. Not sure exactly where.
But it is his actions in the US Senate which make me vow to never ever vote for him.
His “closeness” to Hillary, is another thing, and his endorsement by the same MSM who endorse Hitlery is another.
IMHO, he was preselected by the Dems and their communist/Jihadist backers as “their pick” to be Hillary’s opponent. Their plan has worked well. They obviously recruited thousands of Dems to find ways to vote for McCain in the primaries. It is THOSE VOTES that have made him the “leading Republican” candidate. IN other words, the “fix” has been in.
Did McCain know about this “fix” before he ran (again) this time for President??? My bet is that he did.
What is his payoff? I don’t know but I bet there will be one.
From his participation as one of the Keating five - I believe McCain is “up for sale” and his “supporters” know it and have him in their “employ”.
I can not possibly support either McCain - and, certainly not Hillary nor Obama = all traitors to this country and all corrupt.
Perhaps it was too much time in Washington. Perhaps it was the power and fawning which goes along with the office. But somewhere about that time he begin to lose his grip on reality and it has only gotten worse since. Giving him more of what he craves most (power) is not going to help the situation any. Neither is diminishing what he did before things begin to go off track.
Oh yeah, three ejections, one jet fuel and armed on a the aircraft carrier deck, rocketed and burning, 28 combat sorties over the densest air defense in the world. No sack there. Same as peddling Book of Mormon in the mean streets of France.
I question it MuttTheHoople. You wanna know how I can? Two words : McCain-Feingold. Any man who swore to uphold the Constitution and then ACTIVELY pursued ways to abridge the Constitution and freedom of speech...specificially POLITICAL speech, is an automatic TRAITOR in my eyes and NULLIFIES any service he gave as a soldier. He spat on his own medals, just like John Kerry did...and THAT is how I can question his “patriotism”
It revealed nothing. It supposedly concealed evidence that Americans were still being held in SE Asia and blocked legislation that would punish individuals that were found to have concealed information about POW’s/MIA’s.
Having said that, I will never vote for the guy because he's not a conservative.
McCain plays right along with those who call him a hero, and he tries to shoot down all others who question it.
It is well-documented that he collaborated - ie he did not follow the rules of conduct and is disliked by many for that reason.
I say that having never experienced what he went thru, and I honor him for that, but to think that what he did or did not do 40 years ago is more important than his conduct in the last 40 years is just wrong.
ping
Many of the real POW say he was not in the Honoi Hilton
but was in an apartment with two "comfort" nurses.
Odd that this info just now comes out.
His military and political careers are two completely separate entities. Militarily, he's fine by me. Politically, he's dead to me.
The POW’s will not “swiftboat: John McCain, even though they probably could. The ones I have known over manyyears have instigated (would never come out and openly discuss) that McCain’s POW behavior was not in keeping with their brotherhood. They have kept their silence for many years now.
His Hanoi cellmate Bud Day did serve as his divorce lawyer for the swift dumping of the first Mrs McCain (loyal but crippled, aging, unattactive, and no longer useful to his career goals)
I’m sorry. How does someone tell their captors they don’t want to be released. If the Vietnamese decided to release him for some political gain, they would have done it regardless of what the prisoner said.
Does anybody know where a copy of this "mailer" can be seen or know what is says? I went to theweb site and did not see it. Did I miss something?
Tulsa Ramjet wrote: "Other people ramp up the war hero persona ...". But you know what? McCain does not publicly dispute this status ... he basks in the limelight when someone calls him that ... watch the endorsement by Arnold yesterday and when Arnold mentions McCain as a HERO he beams at the words. He used his POW experience in his Christmas campaing ad.
This guy is scum!
“Odd that this info just now comes out.”
It has been out there for years.
I guess it wasn’t important until now.
Sorry, will NOT vote for him in the primary.
Isn’t there enough to hang him with, without calling in his duty to the nation into question. I can’t believe we are going to go the route of how honorable a candidate in wartime is going to influence another race. It’s a tired embarassing schtick. McCains senate record should suffice.
If a comrade in arms can’t question a former servicemember then who can. The only reason it will backfire is if people want to see it as an attack on a hero. I will never discount McCain’s service or experience but I think those who served at the same time should not have their hands tied while they scrutinize his claims. Look what happened to Kerry when he mentioned(always talked about)his time in service. The questions are legitimate.
Yup. I will never vote for McCain, but these people that critize anything he did in the Hanoi Hilton think "Hogan's Heros" was a documentary.
Because the traitors were released early ;
this is why he was offered early release.
No matter what you think about McCain this Vietnam Vets vs McCain site has a lot of info from fellow Vets as well as POW/MIA families that document McCain as not worthy of any public office. The Videos should be seen and the records on McCains POW years are surely in the hands of the Dems...just be prepared, McCain will not make the Oval Office no matter what his supporters think. He is damaged goods!
We can argue the meaning of “war hero” forever,
this article was specific to him allowing the mantle of “war hero” charge to be foisted on his head, and some apparent actions or comments made by him in regard to vietnam affairs.
Now, if there are broader, more recent charges against political behavior, than I assure you that those are being well covered in other threads.
I believe the charge by POW/MIA groups that are against McCain is that he somehow has thwarted attempts to go back and get supposed vets still in prison. It is my opinion that after reviewing all the material based on his research as a senator that he wants people to get on with their lives, though hard it may be. And a part of getting on with their lives is to further normalize relations with Vietnam to allow greater access to crash sites. But to put out there that McCain is somehow involved in some silent cabal to keep POW’s further imprisoned is somewhat hard to believe.
But then again, two actors from the movie “Predator” become governors of large states.
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