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New Swift Boat book sets the record straight
World Net Daily ^ | 1-1-08 | Jerome Corsi

Posted on 02/01/2008 10:47:50 AM PST by Bob J

Since losing the 2004 presidential election, John Kerry and his supporters have continued to claim "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak out against John Kerry" and the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth have been "discredited" for spreading a pack of lies about Kerry's military service in Vietnam and his subsequent leadership in the anti-war movement....

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Free Republic; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bookreview; corsi; kerry; swett; swiftboat; swiftboatvets; unfitforcommand; ziegler
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"Setting the Record Straight" from our own Scott Swett and Tim Zielger, long time FReepers and ex Board of Director members of the Free Republic Network.
1 posted on 02/01/2008 10:47:53 AM PST by Bob J
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To: Bob J

An easy litmus test is to remember who spoke up for the Swift Boat guys, and who didn’t.


2 posted on 02/01/2008 10:50:52 AM PST by marron
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To: Bob J

Hi, Bob.


3 posted on 02/01/2008 10:51:53 AM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Bob J

What about sKerry’s vow to disprove a single allegation to receive a million bucks?


4 posted on 02/01/2008 10:52:01 AM PST by FoxInSocks
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To: Bob J
Now didn’t McCain step up and support these guys right to free speech? s/
5 posted on 02/01/2008 10:53:10 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: FoxInSocks

That promise was lost, upriver in Cambodia someplace.


6 posted on 02/01/2008 10:53:16 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: Just mythoughts

As I recall, McCain defended Kerry against the dishonorable attacks by the Swift Boat Vets.


7 posted on 02/01/2008 10:56:07 AM PST by marron
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To: FoxInSocks

He never did make his SF-180 public.


8 posted on 02/01/2008 10:56:27 AM PST by MarkeyD (Just another country bumpkin looking forward to Fred!)
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To: marron

dishonorable?

Is that your word?

But it’s not dishonorable to pursue Purple Hearts?


9 posted on 02/01/2008 10:57:20 AM PST by MarkeyD (Just another country bumpkin looking forward to Fred!)
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To: MarkeyD

I should have put “dishonorable” in quotes. That was, I believe, McCain’s words.

Just remembering who McCain is.


10 posted on 02/01/2008 10:58:22 AM PST by marron
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To: Bob J; smoothsailing

Thanks for posting, sounds like a “must read.”


11 posted on 02/01/2008 10:58:59 AM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: marron
As I recall, McCain defended Kerry against the dishonorable attacks by the Swift Boat Vets.

That is exactly correct and IF Huckabee is all he claims to be he would be demanding a bit of repentance out of McCain for his less than honorable deeds and stop coveting Romney's wealth.

12 posted on 02/01/2008 11:00:46 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: Howlin; eddie willers; cajungirl; wirestripper; Southflanknorthpawsis; Peach; prairiebreeze; ...

Corsi book review ping...


13 posted on 02/01/2008 11:02:43 AM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Bob J

John Kerry’s service record includes the years 1970 and 1971 in which he performed service for Jane Fonda and her allies of far greater importance than his few months of service against the VC and NVA. I am glad to see a book countering his uncorroborated testimony before Congress about how I and other members of TF116 committed unspeakable atrocities against the South Vietnamese. His testimony ensured marginalizing accounts of such facts that our boats and ships were ordered not to return fire from the village of Nam Can as they transited to and from Seafloat. We were expected to gut it out through the kill zone, because the village was designated by us as a sanctuary from the war for civilians.


14 posted on 02/01/2008 11:05:41 AM PST by Retain Mike
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Wasn’t that around Christmas?


15 posted on 02/01/2008 11:05:45 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed less people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: MarkeyD
If you have never seen the cartoon, go to Jibjab.com and watch the cartoon about the 2004 election. The part about Purple Hearts is hysterical.
16 posted on 02/01/2008 11:07:17 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed less people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Bob J

I saw T. Boone Pickens on TV a month or so ago reiterating that he has $1 million for John Kerry if he releases his records and proves that what the Swift Boat Vets said wasn’t true. Funny that Kerry hasn’t taken him up on it.


17 posted on 02/01/2008 11:09:32 AM PST by grayhog
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To: Interesting Times

BTTT


18 posted on 02/01/2008 11:10:42 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Deb

Yo Deb, what up?


19 posted on 02/01/2008 11:16:23 AM PST by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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To: marron

I think McCain gave more than a little support to John efn Kerry at that time.

All of the folks who are now using “Swift Boating” as an adjective forget or choose to ignore the fact that those who were calling Kerry on his fake heroizm are themselves Honest to God Heroes.


20 posted on 02/01/2008 11:28:05 AM PST by Oldsailor
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To: Bob J

Scott and Tim have been doing a great job. I look forward to reading this book.


21 posted on 02/01/2008 11:30:45 AM PST by DoughtyOne (PARTY WANTED: Full Time, Cons exp a must. Refs 20 yrs. No Amnesty sptrs. 1 vote per 4 yrs negotiable)
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To: Bob J

John Kerry is the most despicable person in American history. At least Benedict Arnold served over two months service to this country. Kerry, show us your Dishonorable Discharge!!


22 posted on 02/01/2008 11:31:12 AM PST by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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To: goodwithagun

I did - Hilaryous!!!!

thanks

here’s the link:
http://www.jibjab.com/originals/this_land


23 posted on 02/01/2008 11:32:48 AM PST by sodpoodle
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To: Bob J
Contrary to Kerry's spin, the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth had no contact or advice from a White House that publicly expressed a desire the anti-Kerry campaign being waged by the Vietnam vets would stop.

One of the most gloomy aspects of getting the truth out (i.e., that "swift boating" means getting the truth out) is when the host of the top-rated all-night talk show, George Noory, promotes the Kerry lies. It's likely that most in the millions who tune in are apolitical and "know" little beyond Noory and MSM employees' voluble and tedious feeeeeeeeeeeeeelings.

The author of the posted article, Dr. Corsi, is a regular guest on Noory's show. Dr. Corsi told Noory that he voted for G.W. twice but now has a bit of remorse.

Noory absolutely despises the President and associates and quickly responded to Dr. Corsi's remarks with predicable I-hate-Bush Noory knee-jerk, "Yeah, it was those swift boat lies, right?"

Dr. Corsi told Mr. Noory in no uncertain terms that NO! "the Swift Boat vets called Kerry on his decades of lies" which he (Dr. Corsi) recognized as lies at the time Kerry was spewing them.

It went completely over Noory's head. He has not a clue. It's that BDS thing I guess.

24 posted on 02/01/2008 11:47:52 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: goodwithagun

Yes, it was Christmas time.

I know, because it is Seared, Seared, in my mind.(s)


25 posted on 02/01/2008 12:17:01 PM PST by oldm60grunt
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To: jazusamo; Bob J
The truth about "swiftboating"....

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26 posted on 02/01/2008 12:26:19 PM PST by smoothsailing (Chris Davis for President)
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks for the ping, and for getting the truth out again.


27 posted on 02/01/2008 12:35:49 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: editor-surveyor
Thanks for the ping, and for getting the truth out again.

You're welcome. It's going to take some pounding away at this to counter the sloganeering by the leftists.

28 posted on 02/01/2008 1:09:05 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times

BTTT!


29 posted on 02/01/2008 2:03:32 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Interesting Times

BTTT!


30 posted on 02/01/2008 2:03:37 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: grayhog

Kerry married One Billion good reasons not to take them up on their offer.


31 posted on 02/01/2008 2:10:06 PM PST by qman (All Islamo-fachists must die!!!)
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To: Bob J
Hi, ho, Bob.....I've had my copy of "Setting the Record Straight" for well over a week, but what with the election having me krazyglued to FR and neglecting all hausfrau duties for about a fortnight, it's been sitting forlornly on the nightstand.

(....what's a fortnight?.....hmmmmm)

Hope to do my IRS this weekend and start the book Monday.

I guarandamntee ya!

Leni

32 posted on 02/01/2008 2:26:08 PM PST by MinuteGal (Mitt's My Guy!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

That’s why this stuff has to be countered. Left unopposed, the leftists will have 80% of the public convinced that “swiftboating” is a synonym for McCarthyism in about two more years.


33 posted on 02/01/2008 3:43:25 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: MinuteGal

;-}


34 posted on 02/01/2008 4:47:49 PM PST by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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To: marron

“dishonorable attacks by the Swift Boat Vets”.

WHAT????

You have some explaining to do..


35 posted on 02/01/2008 4:50:38 PM PST by alarm rider (Why should I not vote my conscience?)
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To: alarm rider

See my post #10. Obviously I should have put “dishonorable” in quotes. McCain attacked them. For me, the Swift Boat Vets are a handy litmus test. O’Reilly attacked them, and I haven’t watched him since. McCain attacked him, which in his case was just one more case of him knifing people on our side of the line.

Imagine, Kerry came within a hair’s breadth of winning the election, and McCain was defending Kerry. Disgusting.


36 posted on 02/01/2008 4:55:27 PM PST by marron
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To: marron

Understood.

Regards,
AR


37 posted on 02/01/2008 4:57:45 PM PST by alarm rider (Why should I not vote my conscience?)
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To: alarm rider

“McCain attacked him,” I meant to write “McCain attacked them”...

Long day.


38 posted on 02/01/2008 4:58:24 PM PST by marron
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To: marron

John McCain is the man who used to be an honorable man.


39 posted on 02/01/2008 5:00:54 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: All; Retain Mike; Interesting Times

.

Who Owns the Vietnam War?

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58906

.


40 posted on 02/01/2008 5:50:02 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Interesting Times; Bob J

This is an excellent review by a man who knows what he is talking about. He was the co-author of Unfit For Command.


41 posted on 02/01/2008 7:02:47 PM PST by zot
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Ping


42 posted on 02/01/2008 7:57:18 PM PST by Turret Gunner A20
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To: Interesting Times
The meaning of McCarthyism needs a little explanation too.

One source says the word McCarthyism was coined by Washington Post political cartoonist Herbert Block (Herblock).

Another source makes more sense to me. To wit, it was the Soviet-financed and controlled CP/USA invention. That makes more sense to me because it was the Communists' 24/7 job to discredit anti-communists.

Besides an American, even one as left-wing as Herblock, would have IMO come up with calling the Senator a sot. Herblock's images of McCarthy clearly portrayed a drunk. Perhaps Herblock picked up the word at one of his cell meetings. :)

As is the wont of the left, the real issues are swept aside and the person raising the issues becomes the issue. It seems to work every time, ask Ann Coulter.

History has proved that McCarthy's issues were mostly on target and therefore (IMO) the correct definition of the word should be the one that he adopted once the Communists' pejorative version was out there.

Nevertheless, McCarthy was certainly charismatically challenged.

43 posted on 02/01/2008 8:05:06 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
I haven't read it yet, but I've heard that M. Stanton Evens's new book Blacklisted by History lays waste to the standard view of McCarthy, using primary sources and documents recently uncovered in Soviet archives.

Of course, it's considerably more difficult to overturn conventional wisdom 50 years after the fact...

44 posted on 02/01/2008 8:25:07 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times
RE: M. Stanton Evens's new book

Thank you for the reference.

45 posted on 02/01/2008 8:53:12 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Evans, actually... my mistake.


46 posted on 02/01/2008 9:02:58 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks for the ping!


47 posted on 02/01/2008 9:12:10 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: marron
O’Reilly attacked them, and I haven’t watched him since.

That was the straw that broke this camel's back as well.
48 posted on 02/01/2008 9:26:45 PM PST by JayNorth
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To: All
RE: Changing to the truth about the real meaning of McCarthyism is darn near impossible after fifty-plus years. See below.

We'd better get real busy correcting the misconception about the meaning of swift boating.

Here's an example of the former: a news item about the recent passing of 89-year-old Mr. Mel Fiske, "a member of Communist Party U.S.A. [who] worked as a reporter for the party's newspaper, the Daily Worker, from 1940 until 1956, when he realized Soviet-style communism was not aligned with his vision of a socialist utopia."

(Of course 1956 was when Khruschev admitted the truth about Stalin causing many "American" Communists to leave the Party and -- some say -- spawning the New Left when the Party's young turned to Mao and their own plans for revolution and "paradise.")

Here's the funny part: "As a reporter for the Daily Worker he covered Congress, the Supreme Court, the White House and the Pentagon, focusing on the opposition to labor organizing, political dissent and the rise of McCarthyism."

The San Francisco Chronicle employee is totally oblivious to the absurdity; to wit, a Communist reporting on the rise of an evil that was looking for something (Communists) who many wanted us to believe didn't exist -- or at least Mr. Fiske the Communist was busy stirring up hatred against that "evil" McCarthyism!

see here

(I stopped listening to Bill O'Reilly for about a year because of his swift boat ignorance, also.)

49 posted on 02/01/2008 9:53:14 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Interesting Times

LOL!

Like there’s no bias in Jerome Corsi reviewing this one! LOL!!

Not that there’s anything wrong with that!


50 posted on 02/01/2008 10:21:18 PM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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